Kyiv

[POS1043]

1. This is Kiev 2011 and not 1995.

2. Don't get suckered into buying strangers drinks. You can offer one if the girl really seems interested.

3. The game is over once a girl is on the defensive.

4. No. Girls are not stupid in Kiev, they just don't want to be used. Especially by a one week, wrong side of his thirties Westerner.

5. Never touch a complete stranger. Learn to approach girls at the proper angle at the right time.

6. Be real! Step back and understand the realities of your particular situation. If your thirty something, you will probably have to pay.

7. Bring some dignity to the game. Chasing somebody down in the bar that's clearly not into you is a complete waste of time.

8. Use common business sense. When this girl asked you to buy her sushi, you must have gotten that vibe of being used. If

Something is not simple and clear, don't do it.

I was kind of impressed with your take until I got to number 6. That is bullshit I am 31 and pull 18-21 year olds all day long. Can assure you that when I am on the wrong side of 30's. 20-26 year olds will be no problem. With as much game as you when you are 50 you will be taking down 18-21 years olds all day long.

[POS1043]

Definitely agree with your rating system. Best dievs I've ever had were 8, 5/9 or so and those girls were absolutely world-class Bond-girl types (or V Secret models as you say). I rate VERY few girls above 8, 5, even among those that I see on magazine covers. And have no 10s. Maybe Aphrodite could be rated a 10, but unfortunatly I've never been (yet) on Olympus Mons to check.

Perfect 10s are fairy tale's, unicorns, big foot. They don't exist or at least I have never seen one.

[POS1043]

Thanks for this link. If we all tell our favorite, we can compare our tastes, I suppose.

I initially looked through only the thumbnails and picked Brazil, Denmark, Netherlands, Poland and Sweden. I think these show my Scandinavia inclination. And then I went through the larger photos and finally voted for Miss Poland. She looks weak in swimsuit, but I was wowed by her close-up!

I would give Georgia a 7. 5 at best

[POS1043]

I will continue to be happy with what you guys are calling an 8. 5. But even in your frame of reference of victoria secret, for example, in my book, Taya at Rio has got to be a 9 to 10 girl in looks department. Taya blows away what I have seen in a victoria secret catalogue (most of whose girls have pretty faces but are lacking in the hot body department compared to the ukrainian hotties). I am often in south beach. You can see such hot women in new york hotspots any day or night. If POS1043 admits to seeing 8 to 10 level women all over the streets of Kiev during his visit, then his frame of reference is not off, and we can relate to it. So something must have been amiss on the nights of his visits to Rio. Definitely give it another shot on a future visit.

Just to further clarify your comments, what rating would you give a girl like Amelia in the following links?

http://www.admiralescorts.com/escort...-blonde-amelia

http://www.agencybarracuda.co.uk/lon...melia_517.html

MAMBA WARNING:

Guys, I continue to have problems with mamba website, despite using different browsers like google chrome or mozilla firefox, even to the point that I was knocked offline from my wireless connection and had to reboot my router and do a windows repair on the IP address. Recommend saving all your mamba contacts pics and phone numbers onto an accessible Word document in case the problems on the mamba server cause all that hard researched info to become inaccessible while you're in Kiev and need it at your fingertips.

LJ

Now that is a 9+. Nothing even close to that at the Rio. If you claim there are chicks like that there then maybe need to give it another chance.

[Climaxnow]

Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to * mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

Comments

1. This is Kiev 2011 and not 1995.

2. Don't get suckered into buying strangers drinks. You can offer one if the girl really seems interested.

3. The game is over once a girl is on the defensive.

4. No. Girls are not stupid in Kiev, they just don't want to be used. Especially by a one week, wrong side of his thirties Westerner.

5. Never touch a complete stranger. Learn to approach girls at the proper angle at the right time.

6. Be real! Step back and understand the realities of your particular situation. If your thirty something, you will probably have to pay.

7. Bring some dignity to the game. Chasing somebody down in the bar that's clearly not into you is a complete waste of time.

8. Use common business sense. When this girl asked you to buy her sushi, you must have gotten that vibe of being used. If

Something is not simple and clear, don't do it.

[Sorbonne]

Vote for a Miss Universe Semifinalist:

As I'm a sucker for blue-eyed brunettes and love the country, I'd vote Georgia, and give her a solid 9.

http://missuniverse.com/members/contestants

(smilie)

Thanks for this link. If we all tell our favorite, we can compare our tastes, I suppose.

I initially looked through only the thumbnails and picked Brazil, Denmark, Netherlands, Poland and Sweden. I think these show my Scandinavia inclination. And then I went through the larger photos and finally voted for Miss Poland. She looks weak in swimsuit, but I was wowed by her close-up!

[Sorbonne]

I will continue to be happy with what you guys are calling an 8. 5. But even in your frame of reference of victoria secret, for example, in my book, Taya at Rio has got to be a 9 to 10 girl in looks department. Taya blows away what I have seen in a victoria secret catalogue (most of whose girls have pretty faces but are lacking in the hot body department compared to the ukrainian hotties). I am often in south beach. You can see such hot women in new york hotspots any day or night. If POS1043 admits to seeing 8 to 10 level women all over the streets of Kiev during his visit, then his frame of reference is not off, and we can relate to it. So something must have been amiss on the nights of his visits to Rio. Definitely give it another shot on a future visit.

Just to further clarify your comments, what rating would you give a girl like Amelia in the following links?

http://www.admiralescorts.com/escort...-blonde-amelia

http://www.agencybarracuda.co.uk/lon...melia_517.html

MAMBA WARNING:

Guys, I continue to have problems with mamba website, despite using different browsers like google chrome or mozilla firefox, even to the point that I was knocked offline from my wireless connection and had to reboot my router and do a windows repair on the IP address. Recommend saving all your mamba contacts pics and phone numbers onto an accessible Word document in case the problems on the mamba server cause all that hard researched info to become inaccessible while you're in Kiev and need it at your fingertips.

LJ

Liljoey,

I agree that some of the girls at Rio are gorgeous. As to the ratio of gorgeous girls to so-so girls, I might even say that the ratio at Rio is better than the ratio at the River Palace (of the past).

This is interesting. I had a girl N from Rio one day and 2 days later I had an appointment with Amelia in London. But I was so happy with N that I cancelled the appointment with Amelia. To this day I have not had Amelia. I'm not sure if I made the right decision, but I didn't want to dilute my memory of N with Amelia.

[LilJoey]

Definitely agree with your rating system. Best dievs I've ever had were 8, 5/9 or so and those girls were absolutely world-class Bond-girl types (or V Secret models as you say). I rate VERY few girls above 8, 5, even among those that I see on magazine covers. And have no 10s. Maybe Aphrodite could be rated a 10, but unfortunatly I've never been (yet) on Olympus Mons to check.

I will continue to be happy with what you guys are calling an 8. 5. But even in your frame of reference of victoria secret, for example, in my book, Taya at Rio has got to be a 9 to 10 girl in looks department. Taya blows away what I have seen in a victoria secret catalogue (most of whose girls have pretty faces but are lacking in the hot body department compared to the ukrainian hotties). I am often in south beach. You can see such hot women in new york hotspots any day or night. If POS1043 admits to seeing 8 to 10 level women all over the streets of Kiev during his visit, then his frame of reference is not off, and we can relate to it. So something must have been amiss on the nights of his visits to Rio. Definitely give it another shot on a future visit.

Just to further clarify your comments, what rating would you give a girl like Amelia in the following links?

http://www.admiralescorts.com/escort...-blonde-amelia

http://www.agencybarracuda.co.uk/lon...melia_517.html

MAMBA WARNING:

Guys, I continue to have problems with mamba website, despite using different browsers like google chrome or mozilla firefox, even to the point that I was knocked offline from my wireless connection and had to reboot my router and do a windows repair on the IP address. Recommend saving all your mamba contacts pics and phone numbers onto an accessible Word document in case the problems on the mamba server cause all that hard researched info to become inaccessible while you're in Kiev and need it at your fingertips.

LJ

[Prosal]

Vote for a Miss Universe Semifinalist:

As I'm a sucker for blue-eyed brunettes and love the country, I'd vote Georgia, and give her a solid 9.

http://missuniverse.com/members/contestants

(smilie)

[Prosal]

I was just really excited to hook up with a 9-10 (IMO which is a girl equivalent to a Victoria Secrets model) and there def was nothing close to that.

Definitely agree with your rating system. Best dievs I've ever had were 8, 5/9 or so and those girls were absolutely world-class Bond-girl types (or V Secret models as you say). I rate VERY few girls above 8, 5, even among those that I see on magazine covers. And have no 10s. Maybe Aphrodite could be rated a 10, but unfortunatly I've never been (yet) on Olympus Mons to check.

[POS1043]

In response to the few posts after mine concerning the Rio.

Like I did say, I would give it a second chance and do believe that the month being August had a lot to do with it. I think that it is probably the worst month as far

As foreigners coming and girls leaving.

On the other hand the place itself and the set up in my opinion was a 6. Very narrow and way more guys there than girls working. There wasn't really any girls

Under a 6 but definitely none over an 8. 5. Yes my standard is very high for being from Miami but if I am going to pay I want cream of the crop. Overall just wasn't impressed with the place but after seeing the girls on the street think it probably has a lot of potential other times of the years for hotties, still the place is set up

Like shit. If you have ever been to a Therma (Senturos) in Brazil and to this place you will understand what I mean about a good set up and way more chicks than

Guys. Although I will say Slavic girls are way hotter to me.

As far as my opinion of time of year like Irish Lad said if you are going to go not just to Kiev but any major city in Europe it is best not to go in July or August. Those are the months to hit the coastal cities and hook up with girls on vaca.

I was just really excited to hook up with a 9-10 (IMO which is a girl equivalent to a Victoria Secrets model) and there def was nothing close to that.

[LilJoey]

Hello, YES I can confirm I have this problem and thanks for the recomendations. I also wonder how are the risks (virus etc) of using this site due to these attacks. Maybe we have to use CONDOMS too by surfing in internet in sites like this and our antivirus protections are not enough

Mamba is in fact a website designated as unsafe by Internet Security applications such as Trend Micro's antivirus application, and one needs to specifically overide the block and manually put in mamba as an "allowed" site. My computer guy recommended using Mozilla Firefox saying it has more protections from viruses or malware. I suppose the Google Chrome browser which Google says is protected and safer, might be safer than using Internet Explorer, but satisfy yourself by asking someone knowledgeable in computers about your security needs.

LJ

[Sponsor74]

Mamba. Ru problem:

There is definitely a problem that continues with loading the mamba. Ru website, as a poster reported earlier, which causes the browser to crash and close and then automatically attempt to reload the page. After a few times it will cease to reload and display the message that page could not be loaded. However, the problem relates to use of Internet Explorer web browser, which is the most commonly used browser and therefore the one most attacked by internet threats. The solution is to download and use another browser. I have used the Google Chrome browser, which is similar in its functioning to Internet Explorer, without having the same problem occur on mamba. Ru. Also Mozilla Firefox browser works ok.

Rio 8 to 10 level girls:

I was surprised to read POS1043's report that he saw no high level hotties at Rio during his August visit. I am also a very particular and demanding guy when it comes to a girl's looks, so I don't think it's because POS1043 has an even higher South Beach standard. I posted in my very first post the links to two girls listed on londonescortguide. Com to illustrate what I considered to be a 9 or 10 in order to aid my effort to communicate with the guys on this board. I don't think there could be much argument that those two girls are at least 9's or 10's. I have stated clearly in my prior posts, in an effort to preserve accuracy, that cerainly not ALL the girls at Rio are 8 to 10's, and there are many who are average looking to above average looking there as well. I also reported that it takes time to view the line ups in each bar until one can spot the smaller percentage of gems that I have always seen at Rio on All my prior visits there. Is POS1043's report that there were NO girls at Rio on a level of 8 to 10 another example of an exaggeration in one direction, or are his observations the product of not looking long enough? I don't know. But it is also possible, as he too suggests, that August is a vacation time, and many regular hotties at Rio may have been away. It does not stand to reason that the Rio line up, where efforts are made to find hot girls to work there, should represent a cross. Section of Kiev girls that is much LESS dense with hotties, than what even POS1043 writes he saw all over the streets of Kiev, given that the Rio girls line up is drawn from the same population. Anyway, I will be there this weekend to make my own observations, as will two other members of this board that I know about. I will dutifully report if there is a problem with the line up that is persisting.

LJ

Hello, YES I can confirm I have this problem and thanks for the recomendations. I also wonder how are the risks (virus etc) of using this site due to these attacks. Maybe we have to use CONDOMS too by surfing in internet in sites like this and our antivirus protections are not enough

[Irish Lad]

Good summing up by POS1043 of Kiev in summer.

Best plan is to head to Odessa and hook up with girls NOT from Odessa.

Plenty of holidaymakers and easier to connect with. If staying more than a few days, invite someone to Odessa to stay with you. Alternativly, search a few who are on their last days and runing out of money. They would rather stay longer than head home.

[LilJoey]

Mamba. Ru problem:

There is definitely a problem that continues with loading the mamba. Ru website, as a poster reported earlier, which causes the browser to crash and close and then automatically attempt to reload the page. After a few times it will cease to reload and display the message that page could not be loaded. However, the problem relates to use of Internet Explorer web browser, which is the most commonly used browser and therefore the one most attacked by internet threats. The solution is to download and use another browser. I have used the Google Chrome browser, which is similar in its functioning to Internet Explorer, without having the same problem occur on mamba. Ru. Also Mozilla Firefox browser works ok.

Rio 8 to 10 level girls:

I was surprised to read POS1043's report that he saw no high level hotties at Rio during his August visit. I am also a very particular and demanding guy when it comes to a girl's looks, so I don't think it's because POS1043 has an even higher South Beach standard. I posted in my very first post the links to two girls listed on londonescortguide. Com to illustrate what I considered to be a 9 or 10 in order to aid my effort to communicate with the guys on this board. I don't think there could be much argument that those two girls are at least 9's or 10's. I have stated clearly in my prior posts, in an effort to preserve accuracy, that cerainly not ALL the girls at Rio are 8 to 10's, and there are many who are average looking to above average looking there as well. I also reported that it takes time to view the line ups in each bar until one can spot the smaller percentage of gems that I have always seen at Rio on All my prior visits there. Is POS1043's report that there were NO girls at Rio on a level of 8 to 10 another example of an exaggeration in one direction, or are his observations the product of not looking long enough? I don't know. But it is also possible, as he too suggests, that August is a vacation time, and many regular hotties at Rio may have been away. It does not stand to reason that the Rio line up, where efforts are made to find hot girls to work there, should represent a cross -- section of Kiev girls that is much LESS dense with hotties, than what even POS1043 writes he saw all over the streets of Kiev, given that the Rio girls line up is drawn from the same population. Anyway, I will be there this weekend to make my own observations, as will two other members of this board that I know about. I will dutifully report if there is a problem with the line up that is persisting.

LJ