Kyiv

[Global Surfer]

I can't imagine the Ukrainian girls visiting Dubai being better looking than some of the dancers I saw and had at Rio which were top notch.

I think your are right. I totally agree that, in general, the quality and servce in Ukraine is far superior to Dubai.

I have been visiting Dubai 6-8 times a year for lst 4-5 years. I am sure in my second and third visit to Kiev I will be much better off.

In Dubai mostly you will find Stanis. For CIS full night generally mean 2-4 hours.

In that particular year I got 6 Ukrainian from the same joint for arround GBP160. Two of them were probably stunners and rest were A listers.

Service was really superb. That was bit more of coincidence. That is why I said my trib fell short of expections.

This trip was generally far better than my usual trip to Dubai.

About Rio again you are right. I kenw about it. However, the photos on top model, escort model and mamaba were also very nice.

Next time I may try Rio. Girls I got form mamaba were not that bad, Only trouble was I prefer tall / vary tall.

Again hotel I agree but this visit was paid for by the company and that was their requirement

[Timmy21]

i found your story interesting, i live in the east, and my expirence with these girls is that if she's interested, she'll make no secret about it, she's making you work way to hard, she mentions money, bad sign, you try to touch her, try to kiss her and she flinches, meet with her again and see what happens, get close to her, spike her emotions, you know what to do, i feel a 5 year relationship or not, by now you should be banging this girl like a freaking gladiator.

little report of my on goings. went out with pretty sexual looking creature the other night on a date. lady has just come out of a 5 year releationship, been "single" for 3 months. lovely girl a little high maintenance. i like this i'm the best girl & you'll never find another like me attitude. it's sexy & builds for some good back & forth emotional & sexual tension. which emotionally stimulates women more of course & sexually stimulates the boys. push & pull if you will. & you really want to be able to emotionally stimulate a girl like this. i don't expect anyone on this form to ask why =) of course it is a forum & shit gets spoken all the time.

anyway. avanti! to the key moments. lady wants to go to ireland, i'm not interested really i've seen alot of green leave, green trees, green mountains, its not a treat for me. she dreams about it! its a future goal to see ireland. okay thats great. i speak a little more. & as some of you boys & girls have read i plan to make my way to thai with a gal interested from here. so i shot it out to her, now skip the speech on thailand promoting. her response was interest in what i was saying for what we could communicate, however she says she really is not that interested in south east asia. back onto the ireland as mentioned, maybe later you welcome to come to stay with me in the uk & from there we could take a trip to see the wonders of ireland. the crunch is she thinks that she needs $5000. yes five thousand dollars in her account to be able to make the journey to the united kingdom. of course when i hear this the first two things that come to my mind are. warning! achtung! danger! schnell! & maybe seriously she actually does not know what she's talking about.

that night we met at 10pm went for a walk & after to the mafia restaurant, have one alcoholic cocktail each. that was enough for her she said she was feeling a little drunk. lady does not like nightclubs, prefers restaurants, karaokes. why? because she does not like the attention from all the drooling boys in the clubs. blonde hair, pretty big boobs, attractive sexy, dresses well, makeup, not to tall, in good shape. does however smoke a little. but whos perfect right? =) our plan was to do a karaoke at the mafia they wanted 100grn each entry to go downstairs. princess was handling the talk with the hostess. she did not seem to keen on the price tag for entry. i kept a little quiet to see if she would look to me for "taking care" & then we go in. she did not, however after a minute i said lets go in, you like then we go. its no problem sweetheart. however we went to sit instead her choice to have that drink i mentioned. i really feel she lead us to the seating area to save "me" from paying the 100grn each!

another day previously in some arab restaurant i just pulled into with her. food was excellent & well over priced! i saw the way she looked at the bill. like a slight oh shit look. she only decided to have 2 fresh squeezed apple juice drinks. which came to 90grn. i feel the look was more due to her surprize of cost for the juices. ultimately she knows i'm paying. but the look shows concern, concern equal to consideration for the company she is with. later we went on the subway only 2 grn but she paid for me.) haha! i went to the subway with someone else a week before & the chick wanted me to pay for both of us."cash card."

with a lot of things its not money but principle more so. nothing can be as annoying & as humiliating as a girlfriend saying honey pay for this, pay for that. on & on. amsterdam professional strippers watchout for the hustles! words of wisdom i pass to my children. even though you think you got things under control. the emotional brain will out manuver your logical brain be the intensity & duration of time applied against long enough. all your wordly experience & learnings take a second seat.

she phoned me up the other day saying, i saw you talking to the "grandmother" we parted company after the mafia restaurant as she was meeting her friends. i was dissappointed as we only spent like 1 hours-ish together after meeting & walking to the establishment. anyways i give her a few kiss with no reciprocation. okay i was going for the cheek then quckly scored a tactical lip direct hit! & followed up with 3-4 more quick hits. kiss kiss kiss kiss. pretty funny. however it was not reciprocated, then she's like gogo as she's waiting for her "girlfriend." i offered to stay with her it was late well 12-12. 30 in the morning. but she did not accept. so she walks to the rails, & i walk off i little curious, i even considered maybe just holding back to view who actually comes up to meet her. but i didn't i thought fuck it! so as i was walking i passed an old lady street beggar, i walked past her & then decided to walk back & give her some grn. as i thought to myself look at this i'm jumping around drinking like a rich fucking mummy & this poor old bastard, this woman right over there is eating dirt. so i walkied back & gave her a little cash. & returned on my walk back to my apartment. so i get the call from lady next day afterrnoon. i see you talking with "grandmother" last night. i walk dog now. do you lie to me? you speak russian? i see you speak with "grandmother" so i explained to her i just passed over some money for assistance. she was like ahh okay. i invite her to this american imitation road side diner place i found 5 minutes from krechatic. she agrees but later i get the message i can't come out today. which i have had 2-3 times with no explaination. & don't ask.

so anyways remember i was saying i was considering holding back & seeing who came to meet her for curiousity though i did not. lady was obviously watching me! because from were i left her, to were i walked, for her to see me. she would of had to come forward a little no doubt.

regarding the kissing maybe after the 5 year relationship, she has not been with many boys so is a little uncomfortable. i did touch her once o and first meeting walking & she was slightly defensive. like a almost arm around waist walking. will someone give me a quick & simple what to seriously do! to invite a girl here to the uk for a holiday? i don't want to scan the internet for an hour so don't tell me about this site or that site. if you know just scrible a few accurate words amigos. what else can i say, i have been taken to her place of business her work while she had to do something for 5 minutes, was introduced to an associate who was working drunk one of those holidays & he was drinking in work. whatever not important.

i really don't like getting scams against my people or self. so when i hear $5000.

& do you speak russian. because she was chatting in the restaurant on phone in russian probably to friends when they contacted. it possibly could be ametuer hour. or maybe another boyfriend seeing she did not want me to wait, & questioning me about my russian language knowledge.

but anyway after all the could this be a genuine princess! i decided to have a good 3 hour session with a discounted rate! i managed to negotiate. fucking awesome fun!

[Mystery77]

little report of my on goings. went out with pretty sexual looking creature the other night on a date. lady has just come out of a 5 year releationship, been "single" for 3 months. lovely girl a little high maintenance. i like this i'm the best girl & you'll never find another like me attitude. it's sexy & builds for some good back & forth emotional & sexual tension. which emotionally stimulates women more of course & sexually stimulates the boys. push & pull if you will. & you really want to be able to emotionally stimulate a girl like this. i don't expect anyone on this form to ask why =) of course it is a forum & shit gets spoken all the time.

anyway. avanti! to the key moments. lady wants to go to ireland, i'm not interested really i've seen alot of green leave, green trees, green mountains, its not a treat for me. she dreams about it! its a future goal to see ireland. okay thats great. i speak a little more. & as some of you boys & girls have read i plan to make my way to thai with a gal interested from here. so i shot it out to her, now skip the speech on thailand promoting. her response was interest in what i was saying for what we could communicate, however she says she really is not that interested in south east asia. back onto the ireland as mentioned, maybe later you welcome to come to stay with me in the uk & from there we could take a trip to see the wonders of ireland. the crunch is she thinks that she needs $5000. yes five thousand dollars in her account to be able to make the journey to the united kingdom. of course when i hear this the first two things that come to my mind are. warning! achtung! danger! schnell! & maybe seriously she actually does not know what she's talking about.

that night we met at 10pm went for a walk & after to the mafia restaurant, have one alcoholic cocktail each. that was enough for her she said she was feeling a little drunk. lady does not like nightclubs, prefers restaurants, karaokes. why? because she does not like the attention from all the drooling boys in the clubs. blonde hair, pretty big boobs, attractive sexy, dresses well, makeup, not to tall, in good shape. does however smoke a little. but whos perfect right? =) our plan was to do a karaoke at the mafia they wanted 100grn each entry to go downstairs. princess was handling the talk with the hostess. she did not seem to keen on the price tag for entry. i kept a little quiet to see if she would look to me for "taking care" & then we go in. she did not, however after a minute i said lets go in, you like then we go. its no problem sweetheart. however we went to sit instead her choice to have that drink i mentioned. i really feel she lead us to the seating area to save "me" from paying the 100grn each!

another day previously in some arab restaurant i just pulled into with her. food was excellent & well over priced! i saw the way she looked at the bill. like a slight oh shit look. she only decided to have 2 fresh squeezed apple juice drinks. which came to 90grn. i feel the look was more due to her surprize of cost for the juices. ultimately she knows i'm paying. but the look shows concern, concern equal to consideration for the company she is with. later we went on the subway only 2 grn but she paid for me.) haha! i went to the subway with someone else a week before & the chick wanted me to pay for both of us. "cash card."

with a lot of things its not money but principle more so. nothing can be as annoying & as humiliating as a girlfriend saying honey pay for this, pay for that. on & on. amsterdam professional strippers watchout for the hustles! words of wisdom i pass to my children. even though you think you got things under control. the emotional brain will out manuver your logical brain be the intensity & duration of time applied against long enough. all your wordly experience & learnings take a second seat.

she phoned me up the other day saying, i saw you talking to the "grandmother" we parted company after the mafia restaurant as she was meeting her friends. i was dissappointed as we only spent like 1 hours-ish together after meeting & walking to the establishment. anyways i give her a few kiss with no reciprocation. okay i was going for the cheek then quckly scored a tactical lip direct hit! & followed up with 3-4 more quick hits. kiss kiss kiss kiss. pretty funny. however it was not reciprocated, then she's like gogo as she's waiting for her "girlfriend." i offered to stay with her it was late well 12-12. 30 in the morning. but she did not accept. so she walks to the rails, & i walk off i little curious, i even considered maybe just holding back to view who actually comes up to meet her. but i didn't i thought fuck it! so as i was walking i passed an old lady street beggar, i walked past her & then decided to walk back & give her some grn. as i thought to myself look at this i'm jumping around drinking like a rich fucking mummy & this poor old bastard, this woman right over there is eating dirt. so i walkied back & gave her a little cash. & returned on my walk back to my apartment. so i get the call from lady next day afterrnoon. i see you talking with "grandmother" last night. i walk dog now. do you lie to me? you speak russian? i see you speak with "grandmother" so i explained to her i just passed over some money for assistance. she was like ahh okay. i invite her to this american imitation road side diner place i found 5 minutes from krechatic. she agrees but later i get the message i can't come out today. which i have had 2-3 times with no explaination. & don't ask.

so anyways remember i was saying i was considering holding back & seeing who came to meet her for curiousity though i did not. lady was obviously watching me! because from were i left her, to were i walked, for her to see me. she would of had to come forward a little no doubt.

regarding the kissing maybe after the 5 year relationship, she has not been with many boys so is a little uncomfortable. i did touch her once o and first meeting walking & she was slightly defensive. like a almost arm around waist walking. will someone give me a quick & simple what to seriously do! to invite a girl here to the uk for a holiday? i don't want to scan the internet for an hour so don't tell me about this site or that site. if you know just scrible a few accurate words amigos. what else can i say, i have been taken to her place of business her work while she had to do something for 5 minutes, was introduced to an associate who was working drunk one of those holidays & he was drinking in work. whatever not important.

i really don't like getting scams against my people or self. so when i hear $5000.

& do you speak russian. because she was chatting in the restaurant on phone in russian probably to friends when they contacted. it possibly could be ametuer hour. or maybe another boyfriend seeing she did not want me to wait, & questioning me about my russian language knowledge.

but anyway after all the could this be a genuine princess! i decided to have a good 3 hour session with a discounted rate! i managed to negotiate. fucking awesome fun!

[LilJoey]

However, I did not get the quality and service I experienced in Dubai except the last one..

I can't imagine the Ukrainian girls visiting Dubai being better looking than some of the dancers I saw and had at Rio which were top notch.

Perhaps it would have helped you to be with incredible Ukrainian stunners like you may have had in Dubai, had you read the recent posts on this thread describing in detail the hotties on offer at places like Rio strip club, which I noticed from your posts you did not visit once. Or perhaps you were put off by the price tag requiring 3 hours with the girl as a minimum (at $100 / hr rate)?

Anyway, there is always your next visit.

I also agree that apartment rentals are clearly the better solution where you can get better, more spacious accommodations for less money than at hotel.

[Muddy7]

Global Surfer,

I always rent flats rather than hotel rooms, its better for the same price or less, no security guards, just make sure the building has elevators and the flat has water heater.

Almost all apartment agencies will pick you up from the airport and take you to the for around $50.

There are alot of apartment agencies in Kiev.

I really don't understand why some of you rent hotel rooms

[It Travel]

IT,

When Mystery Tramp reinstate her profile at Mamba / Flirt, please announce it.

Thanks. .

For sure, first I'll drill her (this time agian in the three holes) and then. Announce it. .

IT

[Insomniaque]

Ok I just received the list of hotels my travel tour propose me!

http://www.hoojoozat.com/HotelList.a...otel=&AffID=14

I need a hotel where I can get any girl of my choice into my room without questions asked by the hotel's mafia!

Or I will choose an appartement.

Sir, would you be so kind as to read the fucking forum a little bit?

I have been to the Lybid and to the Rus (many times). No problem but you will have to bribe the security, although they might leave you alone during the day. Dnipro and President must be girl-friendly as well, since they both have their own strip-club.

There is no mafia there, only wankers trying to make some extra cash. No need to panick.

If you really want a hotel where you won't have to bribe anyone, you can try the Dniprovskiy Hotel, Moorage 4, Naberezhno-Kreschatinskaya. 10A. It's super cheap, and the staff might scowl you a bit. But at least they won't make you pay.

[Amunra]

Is it possible to detail the experience with the Belarusian free bee?

I went to Buddha bar for a drink before heading for Patipa. There were a few new wgs in the bar. Very friendly and very chatty. Spend hour chatting with them and then decided to take one of them. Started with USD 300 but the ease with which she agreed on USD 200 made be think that I could have brought her down to USD 100-150.

Not a stunner but definitely an A+ and very good attitude. Although initial agreement was for an hour but she spend more than 3 hours. Over all excellent service and strongly recommended. She told me that she is on Mamba as well but would not tell me her I'd as she goes for USD 100 on Mamba,

I would definitely like to visit Kiev again, the only trouble is its reputation and that can cause domestic problems. However, I did not get the quality and service I experienced in Dubai except the last one. Probably that was compensated by Belarusian free bee.

[Patikha]

I have talked to a superb girl over krutomer. Ru thanks to google translate, I asked her if she accept to come over an hotel room when I will come, she said NO! She accepts only in apartment!

I have found that the 'Senators Park' hotel is very good for the price but I wonder if I will get any internet girl in this hotel.

If you know any apartment to rent in a hotel type meaning breakfast included and cleaning service PLEASE tell me!

[Global Surfer]

I went to Buddha bar for a drink before heading for Patipa. There were a few new wgs in the bar. Very friendly and very chatty. Spend hour chatting with them and then decided to take one of them. Started with USD 300 but the ease with which she agreed on USD 200 made be think that I could have brought her down to USD 100-150.

Not a stunner but definitely an A+ and very good attitude. Although initial agreement was for an hour but she spend more than 3 hours. Over all excellent service and strongly recommended. She told me that she is on Mamba as well but would not tell me her I'd as she goes for USD 100 on Mamba,

I would definitely like to visit Kiev again, the only trouble is its reputation and that can cause domestic problems. However, I did not get the quality and service I experienced in Dubai except the last one. Probably that was compensated by Belarusian free bee.

[Global Surfer]

In afternoon, I tried one from top models. They told me that she cannot speak English and suggested another one. When I told them my hotel and room number she hangs up. This gives me the impression that escort model and top model may be the same agency.

Tried a few other numbers from top model but no answer. So back to Mamaba again. This time I told them to confirm their description at least (just height and weight and not the picture) and If they did not fit their description they will be sent back without taxi fare. All six of them refused to come. All this conversation was going on my htc mobile connected to internet via crappy hotel wifi and was quite tiring. Eventually, I dropped the idea of day time fun.

In evening, between 18:00 to 20:00, I spend on Khreschatik Street around Mango, McDonald and Marks and Spencer in the hope of a damsel but no luck.

I was in queue for a doner when I started chatting with a Belarusian nurse (professional courtesy). Discussion started with Kiev architecture and the quickly moved to political turmoil and suppression in Belarus after recent election. I invited her for a drink but she refused. I joked that I am not going ask for sex in return for a beer. She laughed and greed for a coffee. First a coffee from street van and then from McDonald and then one from the hotel lobby and then from the Casino, we discussed Kievean Rus from 900 AD onwards to Mongols to Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth to Kossacs to Russians to Germans to Chernobyl until at 3:30 am we ended in bed. Unfortunately she was leaving next afternoon so we said good bye in morning after exchanging phone numbers and invitations. Interesting thing was that there was no loose talk or body contact until 2:30 am.

[Sorbonne]

A real news from Kiev.

The Mystery Tramp (known as Alesia or as Larisa) canceled her profile from mamba / flirt. At the claimed age of 25. May be she is 27/8 or so. Properly treated already in 2004/5 (Dr Skank and me).

One of the sex icons of Kiev is gone: agencies, the River Palace (shit the wonderful market is closed) , and at least 30 seniors here will miss her skinny body (165/48) her outstanding BBBJ / CIM / some time swallowing. (if a little bit drunk).

A real pity should have been good at least for a couple of years more!

IT.

PS Still one of my best pics. MT maid dressed, unshaved, cuffed to the bed, close to get railed in few seconds.

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IT,

When Mystery Tramp reinstate her profile at Mamba / Flirt, please announce it.

Thanks.

[Patikha]

Ok I just received the list of hotels my travel tour propose me!

http://www.hoojoozat.com/HotelList.a...otel=&AffID=14

I need a hotel where I can get any girl of my choice into my room without questions asked by the hotel's mafia!

Or I will choose an appartement.

[Prosal]

Well, ok. 35 € is for a cocktail + a Hookah.

But still.

[Prosal]

In evening, I went to Buddha bar. expensive drinks

To say the least. When a mango mojito costs some 32 €, I personally don't call that "expensive", but outrageous.