Kyiv

[Sailor 222]

Your reply is just inline with my thinking. The problem is that girls in mamba are all in a different level.)

Simply they ask full night price for 2-3 hours. I still keep offering 200 USD for full night. They all rejected so far.)

Hello,

Depends which service you want.

But normal it is 1500 all night! Don't pay more!

Maybe your problem was, that the girl don't need money soon, because if they need money soon, they agree also for 1000 per night!

Also think about, if one girls wants 1500 all night, she need maybe 2-4 customers per month.

If some stupid foreigners pay 4000 she do it twice a month and then she has a really nice live there!

[Papwo]

I am in contact with a few mamba girl in Kiev. They all try to keep prices at a high level 800 1 hour and 4000 all night. They are not open for negotiation. Don't you think it is almost double that should be asking?

Hello,

Depends which service you want.

But normal it is 1500 all night! Don't pay more!

Maybe your problem was, that the girl don't need money soon, because if they need money soon, they agree also for 1000 per night!

Also think about, if one girls wants 1500 all night, she need maybe 2-4 customers per month.

If some stupid foreigners pay 4000 she do it twice a month and then she has a really nice live there!

[Start123]

Very informative post 123. Do you really come up to girls in clubs offering financial assistance without some very clear green light? (smile)

Only in Thailand and well, now Ukraine.) Has not worked once.)

[Climaxnow]

Very informative post 123. Do you really come up to girls in clubs offering financial assistance without some very clear green light? (smile)

[Start123]

Well, gentlemen, I was in Kiev for 2 days and 3 nights only. I can say this trip was not work related, unless getting laid is considered work now days.

What had in mind is bedding 2-3 girls and setting up a date or two with a potential freebie. I am planning on coming back to Kiev again, so why not, I thought, I get to know someone nice. I shall add I speak perfect Russian and look good, thus making it impossible to succeed.

My goal was: to have sex with younger girls (18-21) or model quality, high priced ($200) models. These two categories are unreachable for me for free, hence the attraction.

My prep work:

I got on Mamba and created a profile about me being a young man looking for love in Kiev, bla blah blah. Contacted around 45 girls and started corresponding with 4 of them.

Also, I researched some well known escort sites and bookmarked several of them.

As you can see, I think I got enough contacts for 2-3 girls I wanted to score with.

Kiev :

I got in Kiev fairly late, stayed in a nice hotel near Maydan. The first night, it was Tuesday, I went to Caribbean club. I've read only good things about the place.

Well, to make a long story short, there were 2 types of people – Arabs (or turks, or who knows what, possible Taliban meeting?) and well fed older Ukrainian ladies in their late 20s and 30s. Fatties were trying to dance to foreign to them Latin beat and the Arabs were trying to get with them pigs. The scene was worth an $8 entrance fee. I think I saw a couple of semi-pros, but they rejected pretty much everyone in that place. Two girls walked in in their early 20s, looked nice, I talked to them, first time in the club, both are students. I thought they might be possible semi-pros or just there to meet a foreign man.

They asked me why I was there – I said I like the music and the girls and I've heard I can meet someone nice here, possibly for a little financial help. Two cunts got offended and walked away. I guess they didn't believe I liked the music.

I took a cab home and on the way I discovered possibly the only way to get laid fast in Kiev. Ask a taxi driver, they have phone numbers and addresses of many apartments with girls. Little brothels if you wish.

I wanted to sleep at that point but decided to check one out. Went there and saw two girls who were nice, but not exactly what I wanted (they were over 25 and not model looking, still, very fukable.) I passed and went home.

On the side note, taxi rides are 30-40 HUA in town. Don't let those poor bustards tell you it's a 100. I went from Maydan to the airport for 135 HUA. Just call any taxi numbers and order it.

The next day I was overly optimistic, figured I'll call the escorts and make an appointment. Called one, she said she is the girl in the picture. 100% real, the only one in her apartment. Took a cab and went there, on the way the taxi driver already told me it was one of those 'salons'. And sure it was! There were 4 real ugs in the apartment. And I mean really ugly. This scenario repeated itself several times. I call, they promise she is the girl. Blah blah- salon!

Ok. After a day of this I know how the system works now. Here is the gist of it. :

Someone places dozens of ads, all with a pictures stolen from somewhere. All numbers in the add are answered by a 'dispatcher' a girl who's job is to direct you to a 'salon'. She will promise you anything, and will swear on her own mother it's her in the picture! Her job is to lure you in into the salon.

Most, I would say 98% of ads are fake! All reviews are fake! I know this because I tried to post negative reviews and none of them were published!

The lest I could do is not to give hose bastards my money and support their mafia run bussines. So I walked away from all those scammers.

Mamba freebie girls:

They were harder to get in touch with, all of them were busy with studying those two days, empty promises to meet me. You get the picture! I think I should have invested more time into them. Like several weeks more time! No sex guaranteed of course, so I don't see it as a feasible investment of time. Maybe I'll do this next time while I sit on my ass at home.

Mamba girls who are semi-pros offering sex:

I had so much hope with them as there were some real cute students there. I wanted them more then any models. Called one, spoke on the phone couple of times, she sounded sweet and innocent, a cute 19 year old. Of course I was smart enough to make sure this is not another salon trap and asked her about it. She sincerely said she is just a student trying to make some money for her tuition.

I dreamed of this moment for too long for anything to go wrong! We decided to meet at her place as I wanted to help her with tuition as soon as possible. She gave me her address that was only 5 min walk from where I was. (Now at this point I should have realized that no 19 why. O student can afford to live anywhere in the center of Kiev, but I was thinking with my other head!) I go upstairs, ring the bell, my heart is pounding- and another salon. Two girls come out one uglier than other. I got pissed and demanded to speak with a girl I was on the phone. One of the ugly pigs said it was her. With a grin on her butt-face she said: 'What did you expect? This is Kiev! '



My adventures continued in similar fashion. I wasted a lot of time going places and finding filthy brothels. Never got laid.

Lessons learned:

I think the best way would be to rent an apartment and call escorts who will come to you! This way if they send someone else (and they will) you can just refuse the delivery and the joke is on them!

Use taxi drivers for information where are the best 'salons' are, they also know some semi-pros sometimes.

A ride from Borispol to anywhere in Kiev should cost you 130-150 UAH, anything over and you are overpaying. Talk to a cabby about this, he was bragging how they convince stupid foreigners to pay over 300!

I am sure things like mongering is a huge crapshoot. But Kiev as a mongering destination is dead for me. I had much better time in Russia. I got freebies too!

[Sailor 222]

I am in contact with a few mamba girl in Kiev. They all try to keep prices at a high level 800 1 hour and 4000 all night. They are not open for negotiation. Don't you think it is almost double that should be asking?

[Jojosun]

JoJo,

I guess I may have to re-examine my ideas on London. Still like the beer, not so much the chow! But hell it would be nice to try out the EE specials and maybe monger together.

Hunter

Hi Hunter,

Hope you are not keeping yourself away from the Kiev Thread.

Would love to hear about your trip there in Dec 10.

Time to put some life back into this thread after the January blues.

Had an amazing time in Georgetown, Washington Dc, just in the weeks before Christmas.

A truly great Party place. Took me down memory lane there.

Still a good % of Females on the pull for everyman hitting the Bars % clubs there.

The club of choice there at the moment is Josephene.

But nothing like River palace.

Back to Foodies in London.

I have been collecting some info for you and this is straight from the Horses Mouths.

And they are not British. Actually they are French.

(London outstrips Paris and the rest of the World with its cuisine according to the Chef of thw 20th century.

Joel Robuchon, who has 25 Michelin stars to his name, made the oustanding statement after opening a new restaurant in Paris.

Robuchun, attributed the quality of london Restaurants to its diversity of cultures and the intense comptition to attract diners ).

www.standard.co.uk. News 14 Jan 2011.

London also came tops in a report on Europe's 6 major capitals called 24 hours in a Tourist capital by the the Paris lle de France regional tourism committee.

www.standard. Co. Uk. News 18 Nov 2011.

And if you are a Fan of Hearty good American Food, then even the best American restaurants are Opening branches in London.

If you tried the Food in Spago restaurant in LA, then the owner Wlofgang Puk, is opening in the spring his restaurant in London on Park Lane called CUT.

Added to the above the Bunnies are making a comeback to London after an absence of nearly 30 years. Playboy Club is reopening in London in the Spring as well.

Playboy clubs are well known for the fantastic taste of their steaks served in their restaurants.

And the icing on the London Cake this Spring will be the wedding of Prince William & Kate.

The only things I would avoid in London are Brothels touting girls from Dodgy nationalties (RUSSIAN, Ukranian, Chinese) , re their immegration status in the UK.

BTW. Mr Chow is a celebrity Chinese restaurant in Knightsbridge, London.

Have you tried the Chow there?

Happy New Year & Happy Mongering.

[Jojosun]

I did post here that I was coming back to ask few questions about your Hot Ukrainian Brothels in London.

1. No problem with the second part of your post about Polish brothels in London. They are everywhere, including some Hot Ones.

2. Since you say you haven't been to UA& Kiev, I am willing to wager that you are confusing Lithuanian Brothels in London (Not that many) with what you think are Ukrainian Brothels Lithuanian Nationals are free to travel & work in the Uk, since Lithuania is a member of the EU.

3. If Ukrainian Brothels in London are not as rare as Rocking Horse Shit, then before someone gets too excited. Perhaps should spend few minutes reading the most recent Uk Law on Criminality & Prostitution, which came into effect Apri 2009.

This new law makes it a criminal offence to have Sex with a WG who has been forced, coerced or trafficked for the purpose of prostitution. .

This new law is strict Liability. Which means it doesn't matter if the monger didn't know that the WG was forced, coerced or not.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2009/26/section/14.

The latest victim of this new law is a Monger in his fifties in Ipswitch, suffolk.

He accepted a Caution, which is a criminal offence. He didn't need to go to court.

Neverthless it is a criminal offence, which you have to declare to your Employers, house insurer.

It bars one from getting visas to the USA <Austaralia, New Zeland and other countries.

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/ip..._raid_1_777648

More police raids in the city of London, catching some highflyers with their Pants down.

http://www.andhranews.net/Intl/2010/...00K-32271.asp.

Postitution & having sex in Brothels in the UK is still Legal, even under the new Law.

But what is illegal as stated above is having sex with a girl which falls under the above categories. Forced, coerced and trafficked girls would normally be from countries which are outside the EU, such as Ukraine. Belarus, China.

Its not just high esteem members who would like the phone nos of such Hot Ukrainian Brothels in London. I am sure the Police and Uk Border Agency and other UK & EU government agencies, wouls also love to find out. How the WGS involved got to the UK in the first place?

And if a monger gets caught in a place like that, then from then on he has got a criminal record.

More here going back to 2008, which does show who else lurks on the internet as well.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=032_1208698150

More interesting reading here for safe mongering in the UK.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/p...titution/#a20.

One final Question. Why have you been sitting on the above wealth of info on Hot Brothels in London, and only did the Simex sexileaks after being inspired by Asian Chaos post?

You mean you didn't read the just as good reports by Borat 69 on his Kiev conquests?

Few more Links &Hryvnias on a similar note, as the British Legal System is a minfield. Sometimes too difficult to understand.

Prostitution by itself as said above is Legal in the UK, but some associated activities with it are Illegal. Prostituting in public, pimping, pandering, keeping a Brothel.

More in a simpler form here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostit...nited_Kingdom.

The police & crime act 2009, came into effect as from April 2010. Correction on the above.

One should stay clear of WGS, who are likely to have been trafficked into the UK.

The WGS are most likely to be from Countries in Europe which are outside the EU, such as Ukaraine, Belarus, Moldova, as well as China.

One should note that all Brothels (Being posh, are called Parlours) are illegal in the UK.

A Brothel is a place where more than one girl is working there, even if the 2 are not working on the same day.

But some Brothels are tolerated in some Cities and Towns in the Uk, and some are not.

What is zero tolerated is trafficked girls, and girls who have been forced, coerced and controlled for the purpose of prostitution.

Hence, you find on some UK sites by well known Sex Providers, that the girls are (NOT) subject to Immegration rules and have signed a statement, that they are providing sex of their own free will and not controlled by anyone.

Here is more on a Police raid (Dec10) on Brothels in posh areas of London. Kensington & Chelsea, where the girls have been trafficked and forced into prostitution in the UK.

http://kensington.londoninformer.co....prostitu.html.

The wgs were from Eastern Europe outside the EU.

Although the law by itself could apply to any WG in the UK, regardless of Nationality, if she falls under the above categories.

AN Ad or touting a Brothel in London as being (Ukranian) is really an invitation for a Police Raid.

The UK Border Agency would also love to find out, how the girls made their way into the UK.

You have to admire the British for being Fair when enforcing the Law, even if its a British judge.

(A Judge yesterday allowed 2 Brothel owners to walk free after they trudged a blizzard to attend court. Christene Morgan 52 and husband Merlyn 58. Got a suspended jail term after they admitted running a Brothel in Cardiff ).

www.metro.co.uk.21 Dec2010.

Cardiff in Wales is one of the places in the Uk where the Police have a Low Tolerance of Prostitution there.

[Prosal]

Thanks, guys! Actually, I was able to do it before reading the above suggestion, which confirms my intelligence (smile).

What I meant by sorbonne is sore bone. Without being offensive, you've never got sore bone (smile)?

Thanks for your understanding, it was admittedly a poor joke, but with such a username, you call it! (smilie)

[Sorbonne]

Without being offensive, no need to have a Ph. D in new technologies to understand that to get a real status, your dialling prefix must correspond with the place of residence you entered. Just edit your personnal informations with the place of residence you actually are, make a new try, get real status, and then re-edit with any place you like.

Maybe your username "Sorbonne" (a place recognized as one of the best University in France) doesn't really fit your intellectual possibilities (smilie).

Thanks, guys! Actually, I was able to do it before reading the above suggestion, which confirms my intelligence (smile).

What I meant by sorbonne is sore bone. Without being offensive, you've never got sore bone (smile) ?

[Jojosun]

AC. Good report. It'd all about having fun and playing the game. I have been spending my free time in FKK Land and Poland. Your report really inspired me to take the plunge and hit Kiev this spring.

Let me know when you're in London and I'll hook you up with some Hot Ukranian and Polish Brothels in the City. Prices are at £100 per hour on Adult Work. PM me and I'll send you some hot pic's.

Simex.

I did post here that I was coming back to ask few questions about your Hot Ukrainian Brothels in London.

1. No problem with the second part of your post about Polish brothels in London. They are everywhere, including some Hot Ones.

2. Since you say you haven't been to UA& Kiev, I am willing to wager that you are confusing Lithuanian Brothels in London (Not that many) with what you think are Ukrainian Brothels Lithuanian Nationals are free to travel & work in the Uk, since Lithuania is a member of the EU.

3. If Ukrainian Brothels in London are not as rare as Rocking Horse Shit, then before someone gets too excited. Perhaps should spend few minutes reading the most recent Uk Law on Criminality & Prostitution, which came into effect Apri 2009.

This new law makes it a criminal offence to have Sex with a WG who has been forced, coerced or trafficked for the purpose of prostitution. .

This new law is strict Liability. Which means it doesn't matter if the monger didn't know that the WG was forced, coerced or not.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2009/26/section/14.

The latest victim of this new law is a Monger in his fifties in Ipswitch, suffolk.

He accepted a Caution, which is a criminal offence. He didn't need to go to court.

Neverthless it is a criminal offence, which you have to declare to your Employers, house insurer.

It bars one from getting visas to the USA <Austaralia, New Zeland and other countries

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/ip..._raid_1_777648

More police raids in the city of London, catching some highflyers with their Pants down.

http://www.andhranews.net/Intl/2010/...00K-32271.asp.

Postitution & having sex in Brothels in the UK is still Legal, even under the new Law.

But what is illegal as stated above is having sex with a girl which falls under the above categories. Forced, coerced and trafficked girls would normally be from countries which are outside the EU, such as Ukraine. Belarus, China.

Its not just high esteem members who would like the phone nos of such Hot Ukrainian Brothels in London. I am sure the Police and Uk Border Agency and other UK & EU government agencies, wouls also love to find out. How the WGS involved got to the UK in the first place?

And if a monger gets caught in a place like that, then from then on he has got a criminal record.

More here going back to 2008, which does show who else lurks on the internet as well.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=032_1208698150

More interesting reading here for safe mongering in the UK.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/p...titution/#a20.

One final Question. Why have you been sitting on the above wealth of info on Hot Brothels in London, and only did the Simex sexileaks after being inspired by Asian Chaos post?

You mean you didn't read the just as good reports by Borat 69 on his Kiev conquests?

[Strike 69]

It's not working for me.

In order to search girls in Kiev, I need to say I am based in Kiev, right? If I say I am based in Kiev, when I try to confirm my real status, Mamba asks for my Ukrainian phone number.

Am I doing anything wrong?

Please advise, someone!

Thanks.

From which country is your mobile phone?

[Prosal]

It's not working for me.

In order to search girls in Kiev, I need to say I am based in Kiev, right? If I say I am based in Kiev, when I try to confirm my real status, Mamba asks for my Ukrainian phone number.

Am I doing anything wrong?

Please advise, someone!

Thanks.

Without being offensive, no need to have a Ph. D in new technologies to understand that to get a real status, your dialling prefix must correspond with the place of residence you entered. Just edit your personnal informations with the place of residence you actually are, make a new try, get real status, and then re-edit with any place you like.

Maybe your username "Sorbonne" (a place recognized as one of the best University in France) doesn't really fit your intellectual possibilities (smilie).

[Sorbonne]

Hello,

You do not need a ukrainian number!

You can do this with every number!

But you can use a number just once all over mamba!

Br

It's not working for me.

In order to search girls in Kiev, I need to say I am based in Kiev, right? If I say I am based in Kiev, when I try to confirm my real status, Mamba asks for my Ukrainian phone number.

Am I doing anything wrong?

Please advise, someone!

Thanks.

[Prosal]

I can not help but feel that you need to be patient. If Eastern Europe was so easy, every single forty plus Western male would be on the streets of Kiev.

More and more I am astonished at the variety of adventures (freebies) to be found in FSU, if you only go looking for them and actively seek them out, and if you have a bit of cultural awareness,"game", emotional generosity, wealth, and you're well-groomed enough to enter in the standarts of the FSU women. Going to to post someday about the six WONDERFUL weeks I spent in Kharkov. Paradise, literally.