Odessa

[Iceberg27]

Thing about Odessa is places like Ibiza are high end and local (and Russian visitor) men aren't what they used to be even 5 years ago. I am saying plenty of fashionable guys, and work out and gym culture is increasingly important, many with lots of money, and they do speak same language. Plenty of dudes from Kiev / Moscow come for weekend dropping cash on tables. Lots of fashionable crowd in Ibiza both men and women, lots of well dressed Europeans, just watch any youtube videos. It's def not free for all meat market it used to be. Local girls especially are very well aware of foreign visitors and have seen every type of game you pull on them. It's different story in some provinces I guess.

I am very confused about where to go. Odessa is out of my league. Koblevo scares me. Damn russians invaded Crimea. It was really a nice choice. Anyway. Maybe I stay in my own country. (Turkey) Regards.

[Lievre]

Thing about Odessa is places like Ibiza are high end and local (and Russian visitor) men aren't what they used to be even 5 years ago. I am saying plenty of fashionable guys, and work out and gym culture is increasingly important, many with lots of money, and they do speak same language. Plenty of dudes from Kiev / Moscow come for weekend dropping cash on tables. Lots of fashionable crowd in Ibiza both men and women, lots of well dressed Europeans, just watch any youtube videos. It's def not free for all meat market it used to be. Local girls especially are very well aware of foreign visitors and have seen every type of game you pull on them. It's different story in some provinces I guess.

100% true. The only girls you will pull if you don't have top notch game in Ibiza (and in Odessa in general) are 100 USD average looking prostitutes.

[Sean EZ]

I am not so sure about that. First keep in mind that they speak the same language.

Thing about Odessa is places like Ibiza are high end and local (and Russian visitor) men aren't what they used to be even 5 years ago. I am saying plenty of fashionable guys, and work out and gym culture is increasingly important, many with lots of money, and they do speak same language. Plenty of dudes from Kiev / Moscow come for weekend dropping cash on tables. Lots of fashionable crowd in Ibiza both men and women, lots of well dressed Europeans, just watch any youtube videos. It's def not free for all meat market it used to be. Local girls especially are very well aware of foreign visitors and have seen every type of game you pull on them. It's different story in some provinces I guess.

[Iceberg27]

I got news for you pal. Russians have never been any competition for western men in Ukraine. I have never met a Ukraine girl that had anything positive to say about Russian men, or Ukraine men for that matter.

I am not so sure about that. First keep in mind that they speak the same language.

[TexasMorrell]

It's very good news that Male Russians not allowed in Ukraine. I am really happy with that because it means less competition.

I got news for you pal. Russians have never been any competition for western men in Ukraine. I have never met a Ukraine girl that had anything positive to say about Russian men, or Ukraine men for that matter.

[Sean EZ]

Any updates on Escorts? Found this one.

http://relaxodessa.com/eng/

or these ones

http://en.odessa.natashaescort.com/
http://www.ukrmodel.net/index.html



My guess it will be bait and switch. Some prices are as low as 30 pounds (600 H). If anything changed in this regard please let me know or PM, thanks. It's good to have options. I don't mind paying more for quality 18-20 yo

From my experience there are many "apartments" in Odessa with average or below average quality.

Reiner, for one day overnight to Koblevo would you recommend going on Sunday? Or Thu better? Thanks.

[Iceberg27]

It's very good news that Male Russians not allowed in Ukraine. I am really happy with that because it means less competition. Also I am happy to ignite a discussion on Odessa versus Koblevo or Nikolaev.

Otto it looks like you are very experienced on Ukraine so I will rely on the information you have provided. Moreover sadly I understand that Crimea and especially Evpatoria was a very optimistic place to be for a foreing male tourist looking for freebies in the past.

I know Odessa is full of sharks. Not an easy bet. Also I can revive in my head how is Nikolaev and Koblevo. You are telling me the best disco of the Nikolaev is closed during June and August. That means nightlife is very poor on summer there. So I am still not sure where to go. Just for a one week of holiday splitting your days between 3 different cities isn't a good idea. So my brain says stick to Koblevo and my heart wants to go Odessa. I also know what I will find Odessa. I have been in Kiev before.

Anyway thanks again for the info.

Regards.

[Sean EZ]

Thanks Reiner. Looks like we will check out Koblevo for a day. Generally Odessa is quiet on weekdays, even in normal times. Weekends beaches are packed and Arkadia is banging. Sun-Wed is slow. Central bars are ok, Morgan bar in the Center is a happening place on Mondays. Weekends is really your best times, too many girls too much eye candy, hard to concentrate on one.

Re Crimea, I am not sure what the hype is all about. It's really not one town there, it's very spread out, lots of cheezy discos and generally poor type of local tourist. I wouldn't go unless you know exactly where you are going and with whom.

I can confirm that no Russians are allowed in Ukraine (males).

[Reiner Otto]

Yes, you are right, this might be possible. As UA-authorities use this special term instead of "RF-visa", not to officially accept Crimea to be Russian territory.

Yes, most likely, you are correct.

Note: The hassle with visa for RF is not to get them (you can buy using various agencies on the web), but the local registration, you have to do yourself, in case you do not book a hotel.

Having lived several years in SPb in the past, this procedure was handled via my local agency in SPb. However, last year, October, for my short visit in SPb, I bought a visa from German agency, promising, registration can be done in any post office. Which is the official status, BTW. However, in whole St. Ptersburg, there is only one post office, the Central one, who really does it. Took 4 h in summary, to be accompanied by my local friend, I was staying with.

So, whoever wants to go to Yalta, for example, and books a room in Oreanda, Hotel Yalta etc. Is well off. , when buying a visa on the web.

But will have serious problems to do the registration himself, when just trying to find some cheap accomodation "on the spot".
To be fair, as you have to fly thru RF anyway, you might register in Moscow or SPb when passing thru to Simferopol. Good method, when you have enough time for a stop over.
SPb always is worth a visit. Great city.

I was always a great fan of Crimea during summertime, but now is not the right time: lack of "devushkas", and visa hassles. And lack of "Z" this year.

[Reiner Otto]

Odessa Arkadia gets pretty dead weekdays, Morgan's Mondays is about it.

Hm, looks like even less tourists there.

[Reiner Otto]

How far is Koblevo from Odessa, is it worth a day and overnight trip? I am guessing it's happening every day not just weekends.

Koblebo is almost in the middle between Odessa and Nikolaev. Cheap trip by bus, about 1 h-1. 5 h. When going in the morning from Odessa, not so much outbound traffic.

Busses start at the Main bus terminal, or, even better, at the smaller one close to railway station. There, buses start at least about once an hour during daytime.

Yes, nightlife all the week, as the place is a pure holiday area.

Koblevos bus station is located at main road Odessa-Nikolaev, so a bit distant from beach / holiday area. Take a micro bus or taxi for a 5 min. Ride.

Quality of water and sandy beach not the best, but there is also an aquapark. Simple accomodation.

So you will find more "normal girls" in this typical "Russian style" beach area, which means, lot sof small shops / bars or even merrygorounds.

As accomodation might be not so easy to be found "on the spot", you should go there early during daytime. One night stay preferred, to join the night life.

Have fun!

[Sean EZ]

I don't mean to span the board, but wanted to address earlier discussion about whether it's busy season right now. Spoke with a girl on VK, she says visibly fewer tourists this year. Furthermore, male Russian passport holders are not allowed to enter Ukraine:

http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=498385

[Sean EZ]

How far is Koblevo from Odessa, is it worth a day and overnight trip? I am guessing it's happening every day not just weekends. Odessa Arkadia gets pretty dead weekdays, Morgan's Mondays is about it.

[Reiner Otto]

http://ny.mfa.gov.ua/en/news/notes/2...oriji-ukrajini

"The Law of Ukraine "On protection of rights and freedoms of citizens and legal regime for the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine".

As amended on 09.05. 2014, defines that foreigners and stateless persons are allowed to entry the temporarily occupied territory and to.

Departure from it by presentation of a special permission at the control points of entry and exit. ".

Web cam in yalta checked about 16:00 local time. But you might simply look yourself.

[Ganesha]

There are not flights from the West and from the Ukraine...

And it's not true that people need a special permission to cross the border. They just need a Visa for Russia. That's all.

You are a good promotor for traveling to Crimea.

As an EU Citizen, what the hell should I even consider traveling just for fun to a place within Europe like Crimea, where:

A) I need a Visum?

B) Where I have to take an expensive and waste of time detour flying via St. Petersburg or via Moscow?

C) Where I should accept overpriced hotels and restaurants, when even Russians prefer going to Turkey, Egypt, Greece or Asia?