Odessa

[Delgado]

Wouldn´t be surprised if Ca_T is booked out for the rest of the year soon with all the advertisement here. Just in case, here are 2 alternatives I had good experiences with:

www.odessaapts.com

www.odessarental.com


odessaapts.com is run by Arik, a young guy from New York born in Odessa. He visits Odessa frequently and will be glad to show you Arcadia action in summer if you´re new to the city.

www.odessaflats.com is an agency owned by an American family, they offer free airport transfer, haven´t tried them yet, though.

[Doctor_Skank]

Big Dan:

Forget hotels, go with an apartment. Cheaper, cleaner, better. Contact Ca_T on this. All apartments are girl-friendly and girl approved.

Here is his website, or you can PM him here. He is a ISG member.

http://www.odessaexecutivesuites.com/

Freebies? Depends on what time of year. Actually, you may want to check out my previous post as well as those of the other guys. A little back -scrolling does wonders.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=228

Have fun in Odessa, I'm sure you will!

[Bigdan]

I plan a future trip to Odessa.
Have any of you guys some information about Hotels and Apartments?
Are Hotels girl Friendly?

Also any recommendation´s on Freebies?

Cheers

BIGDAN

[Doctor_Skank]

Custen:

Beyond the fact that 109 is a friend of mine and a ISG poster of significant value, in most cases he is paying market prices... but he is just in markets most of us dont delve into, at least not cheap-o's like me..

Paying $500 for 2 NF pros in Moscow? Well, that's what it costs. can you maybe spend $400 and get the same? Maybe... but you could also spend $800... and some guys do.

Spend $500 on a stripper at a Moscow strip club? Well, that's about what they cost.

No, 109 is not going to go to a Moscow tochka and counter their offer of $150 with "no, I'd rather pay $300."

He isnt ruining RP prices and certainly isn't going to go to Odessa and start paying way more than market prices. And even if he did.

Market prices are definitely beyond our control, how we deal with them is up to us. As for Odessa being a secret "pristine" hunting ground, that is the worst kept secret since Pitt poking Angeline Jolie.

BTW: I didnt see many posts from you in the Kirgistan section. Is that privileged information?

[Custen]

Doctor Shank: your "Quote in post #232"

"Will Odessa get more expensive with time? I am already lamenting that next year I'll have to go to Kirgistan to get laid... "

I did fly out of Borispol to travel around Kyrgystan last summer.

Should I inform you, and take the risk of sending respectable and nice people like 109 to Biskek?

I understand he is very wealty and want,for good personal reasons, behave in a way who could be against my (our) future interst = $.

People are free to burn Hryvnas,float in jacussi full of champagne and dyev's or lose $$$ in the many casinos of Odessa,Kyiv,Moscow.

But should we,then,share our new hunting grounds, quiet fishing ponds and last frontiers?

[Stravinsky]

Я свободно говорю по Русски, и практически без акцента. Москвичи еще что-то во мне улавливают, некоторые принимают меня за прибалта, а в Киеве меня все принимают за москаля.

С профессионалками я предпочитаю скрывать этот факт в основном в силу привычки. С бесплатными девушками я последнее время наоборот говорю только по Русски, и успешно скрываю от них факт что я иностранец.

Понятна, успокойте себя, пожалуйста.

This is precisely my point, you have the skills to negotiate, but you choose not to. And of course, no one wants to poison the relationship by being hard-nosed, but I think this is a fear that is unique to Americans.

In most of the rest of the world, negotiation is expected. Be they chicas or dyevushki, they never expect the man to accept their offer out of hand. They put up their highest price, expecting you to knock it down. My experience has been that negotiation can actually help the relationship, because then, they respect you. And every woman, pro or not, wants to be with a man she can respect.

Except of course, in the U.S., which is why we’re all somewhere else.

[CA Traveler]

I really didn't mean to start a landslide... I personally believe that a person should spend his money as he sees fit... After all it is HIS money! I won't embarass myself by telling you some of the outrageous prices I have paid for some very specialty stock. At the same time, I will brag about the two 18 y.o. who doubled up for $30 total and I could have gottten it for less...

The point being that sure we can spend our money ANY WAY we choose, but the point being is why take a chance on inflating a market that is not on the upward slope.. yet!

Right now in ODS, if a girl does something nice for me, I feed them... I give them a T-shirt... I let them leave with a bottle of Coke... I give them taxi money. I treat my girls nice.. that is why I have them show up on my door step every night begging me to let them in. In fact, I may be giving them more than they are used to... so even I may be guilty of "overpaying" but the difference is that I don't over pay with "Bens"...

Actually this is a discussion that will go on forever... And I am really torn between both sides because I think it is your money and you should do with it as you wish, but I also know that everyone of us is a part of the market and that means that every dollar we spend is like a vote... the more we "vote" to set the prices, the more each "vote" has and then the prices go up. Take my advise... If you want to give "bonuses"... stop at the duty-free and buy some perfume or stop at a local bar and pick-up some T-shirts for your trip. In some ways, these little gifts mean more to the girls than the money because they have to share it in many cases... IMHO!

[Doctor_Skank]

Just a humble question inbetween... where do we find top girls in Odessa at decent prices?

I mean 8+... I've seen plenty of 7s at $100... apparently they also go for $60 with the right connections/inside knowledge.

Is Odessa a budget mongering market for girls in the 5-7 range, or are 8-9s also available at affordable prices? Where are they?

Or is that information nobody is willing to put on the net and open the floodgates to Odessa?

Lets keep from squandering Odessa? For every one of us posting here and lamenting this question, there are dozens of lurkers out there reading our posts who couldnt give a damn about holding any agreed price ceiling, not to mention the sex tourists who go there flying blind without any idea of what sex there can and should cost. That's not even mentioning the local high-rollers, middle-rollers and sailors on shore leave...

[One O Nine]

I do have to wonder why anyone would willingly spend more money than they have to. It's almost become a badge of honor with you, and I imagine that's why you get so many PM's.

Where does the notion come from that I somehow pay more than I have to? I always pay the market price, whatever it is. I don't bargain with a girl because I find that a bargained price gets me sub-par performances. When a girl is good to me, and I'm looking for repeat business, I give her a nice tip, because that way the next time I'll get even more out of her. I don't do that very often.

Prices in Moscow rose during the long periods when I was at home. I really started going there and spending my money less than a year ago; and during that time the prices stayed exactly the same.

I enjoy reading the reports about your escapades in Mockba. I have to marvel at the amounts of cash you spend. I can only wish that I had your financial resources. Your spending habits in Moscow don't bother me in the least, because the market in Moscow is so immense and diverse that we are not competeing with each other. For a fraction of what you would spend in 911, I can have a much better time in Puzir. But then, I have a natural advantage, since I speak the lingo, just as I will in Odessa.

Я свободно говорю по Русски, и практически без акцента. Москвичи еще что-то во мне улавливают, некоторые принимают меня за прибалта, а в Киеве меня все принимают за москаля.

С профессионалками я предпочитаю скрывать этот факт в основном в силу привычки. С бесплатными девушками я последнее время наоборот говорю только по Русски, и успешно скрываю от них факт что я иностранец.

Так что, держись Одесса!

Compared to Moscow, Odessa is like a village. While even your cash will not move the market overnight, it will give the girls something to think about. Do we really want to do that?

Can we agree now to make Odessa a "no squandering zone" All we're asking you to do is just don't spend more than the going rate. You can save the rest for, well, Moscow.

Wherever I go, I always pay whatever the girl I want asks for. I know what the local prices are, and usually when I'm asked for an outrageous amount I walk away - 500 euros at NF, $700 at a Kiev strip clubs, etc. I do go for the higher-priced girls, but that's usually because they're better looking, and there's a better selection at the places they gather.

That's exactly what I'll do at Odessa. If you're all so worried (I'm not set on going yet by the way), then when / if I do go, I'll gladly let you guys set a spending cap for me per girl so everyone can rest easy. I have no intentions of pissing anyone off. I just want to have a good time.

[Sponsor74]

I guess you guys should start a "Don't Let 109 into Odessa" fund. Pay off some local politicans. Have me turned away at the airport. Or I might come in with my big wallet and turn Odessa into Moscow overnight. Right? RIGHT?


Sometime expats forget that they're just a tiny part of a large world. A lot of posters have illusions of grandeur and think that our small communities, or even certain individual members, have the power to affect market prices. We're a footnote, my friends. Locals set the prices. Prices in Moscow and Kiev are what they are because there's a tremendous concentration of local wealth in the capital cities.

Take Moscow for example. There's at least two dozen tochkas operating every night, with anywhere from 10 to 100 girls - for let's say 500 total tochka working girls any given night. There's 20 girls at NF and 30 at CF. Couple of hundred strippers at a dozen strip clubs. All charging anywhere from $100 to $500 for their bodies, for let's say a low-ball overage of $200. That's 750 girls at $200 each, i.e. around $150,000 changing hands every night. Then there's the internet and newspaper scene. Do you honestly think that a single man giving a girl a couple hundred extra bucks can alter anything? To change the price one way or another would take participation of hundreds and hundreds of clients over the course of at least several weeks.


A pro scene cannot be seen in the context of overall nationwide economics. This isn't a public service. This isn't real estate or autmotive market. Majority of the people don't pay for their sex, and never will, simply because they can't afford it, whether it be in the Ukraine or in the US. The market works for the wealthy, and thus the same rules apply that apply to luxury goods. The price of a pound of onions in Odessa may be lower than on the Upper East Side, but the price of a Swiss watch is the same everywhere. Once the influx of wealth begins, all other things being equal, the process is irreversible.

in some countries the Swiss watches are cheaper than here in Switzerland and moreover you get the Tax refund

[Stravinsky]

cat,

you're right, this subject has been discussed to death, but, it's still fun to kibbitz. the good lord willing and the creek don't rise, i may be in odessa this summer and we can discuss it further over a bottle of kindz-mara-uli.

as we all know... too many people paying too much for anything will raise the price; be it sex, tulip bulbs, or internet ipo's. it's an historical fact.

robin willims remarked once, "cocaine is god's way of telling you that you are making too much money". i imagine you could also say that paying $1,000 for a bj or $500 for a peek at a dyev's tittie is another. i'm sure that kavkazian felt like a big man throwing all that money around. his ego might have deflated a little if he could have heard the object of his desire telling her girlfriends about the "stupid tourist" who wasted so much money on her. and i can just hear their response now, "yes, yes! we must find more stupid tourists!"

you can read all about it on the moldova board.

109,

no, i don't think they should bar you from entry, but i do think they should confirep001e your wallet. the next time i see my good friend polkovnik yuri, i will let him know. lol

the thought of you, mongering in odessa, is disturbing.

i enjoy reading the reports about your escapades in mockba. i have to marvel at the amounts of cash you spend. i can only wish that i had your financial resources. your spending habits in moscow don't bother me in the least, because the market in moscow is so immense and diverse that we are not competeing with each other. for a fraction of what you would spend in 911, i can have a much better time in puzir. but then, i have a natural advantage, since i speak the lingo, just as i will in odessa.

i do have to wonder why anyone would willingly spend more money than they have to. it's almost become a badge of honor with you, and i imagine that's why you get so many pm's.

compared to moscow, odessa is like a village. while even your cash will not move the market overnight, it will give the girls something to think about. do we really want to do that?

can we agree now to make odessa a "no squandering zone" all we're asking you to do is just don't spend more than the going rate. you can save the rest for, well, moscow.

[Cruiser D]

I am somewhat of a Yankee, so you have to excuse the way I look at things. I don’t mind spending money as long as there is an underlying value for it -according to my value system of course.

I paid around 130k for my Benz. I would never pay that much for the comparable model in Germany.

I pay around $250-$300 for a 18-22 year old solid 8 pro/semi pro in the US. I would never pay that much for the same quality girl in Kiev or Moscow.

The same goes for apartments in Kiev. I really really really want to buy an apartment in Kiev. But there is no way in hell I am paying the same rates for an apartment in Kiev as I would in any first class western city.

But it’s interesting how peoples value systems work. I balked and ran for cover when two girls I was dating wanted to go to PaTiPa in Kiev NYE – DJ semi famous name was playing there and the cover was $100 per. Insane I thought…but then again I have no problem paying the $200 table fee at Arena because the fee goes towards purchases made.

[One O Nine]

Cruiser, I know what you mean, and I know the situation sucks, but there's nothing either of us can do about it. Like I said, it's not just me, and there are people much worse than me out there. Girls we want gravitate towards people with money, and a lot of people with money are used to spending it like there's no tomorrow. There's nothing unreasonable about that.

And with your Benz example, I only drive a lowly S430, but I did pay a bit extra for it, precisely because I got it from a large respected dealership. I could have gone to the little guy down the street and saved a few grand, but I like the fact that the guy I did get it from had a large selection and I could get exactly what I wanted as soon as I came in, I like the priority for service and the free coffee and sandwiches while I wait, and the friggin 20 dollar MB blanket I got in the mail as a "gift" made me feel much better than any $20 bill ever could. In short, convenience costs money. That's the reason I still continue to work, in order to continue to afford life's little conveniences. There's nothing unreasonable about that either.

The only solution really is to start a communist revolution and abolish money altogether. Until then, frugal people, and people who spend money like crazy, will continue to [CodeWord140] each other off.

[Cruiser D]

109, I'm not singling you out or decrying the fact that you in particular are over paying the girls - which you are. It is your money and you can do anything at all you'd like to with it. But I do like to point out things; at some of the rates you have mentioned paying why bother leaving the US (assuming you are from here) at all. You can live within the confines of the greatest service country in the world and find a lot of mind numbing pros and semi pros at prices cheaper then you have mentioned. My argument is when it reaches this point something is grossly out of whack. When I go to RP and some solid 8 quotes me $300. I think two things - first, I can pick up the phone and have a solid 8 at my house in the US in about 60 minutes for $250-$300(sure she is only going to stay for 60 or 90 minutes but hey, isn't that a good thing?). The second thing I think is that the prior 1,109 109's caused this situation. I'm not admonishing you or your brethren for it. I'm just pointing out the cause and effect and logic or lack of behind it. It was bound to happen sooner or later, I just prefer later.

I am a little bit jaded because I made a habit of dating US strippers and low level porn stars during my mid-late 20's. Guys would give them 500-1k, pay their rent/car payment all for basically nothing more then a little bit of their time. Unfortunately these guys have seem to gone through ever stripper and porn star in the US and are now making their way to the CIS. Now with dating semi pros, translators and 'western' girls in Kiev I see the same thing happening. I often remark to friends that being in Kiev is like watching my 20's unfold in a former Soviet setting. Perhaps I should just grow up and get married - nah, I like it too much.

Now let me ask you this, you walk into the local Benzs dealership and you know the latest base 600SL is retailing around 130k. The salesman slides up to you and say, nice car huh? I can let you have it for a special price of 150k. Do you:

1) Sign the contract at 150k and throw in 10k cause the salesman was a nice guy.
2) Offer him 120k because you know that's the going rate for a base 600SL
3) Fly to Germany and buy it at the Teutonic discount

Bottom line is I know prices are bound to go up, as the region becomes more and more popular. All I am say is that the prices in some areas (Moscow and Kiev) are unreasonable - as in lacking sound reason. But hey, the world is a pretty unreasonable place.

Party on.

[One O Nine]

Nothing to add to your excellent analysis there CaT. The situation is very complex and very fluid. I was just pointing out that there's a whole world out there, and not just me and my crazy spending habits. I always draw fire, especially over PMs, after I post something about some expensive purchase I've made, and I just wish people understood I'm not the sole reason girls cost $500 at NF, and even if I died a sudden, horrible death that some wished on me nothing would change in the overall situation.

Once in a strip club I saw a gentleman from Caucasus give out $1,000 for a blowjob in the private dance room. He was surrounded by strippers, took three of them home, and gave everybody including the ohrana $100 each. Just a few days ago at the same place I saw a drunken group from Tumen' give a stripper (!!!) $500 to show them her boob. Then they all cheered loudly. They repeated that for her ass, and then did the same with a few more strippers.

This don't mean that tomorrow an uvol'nenie at 911 VIP is going to cost ten thousand bucks. If I come to Odessa and give every girl I screw a thousand dollars, after I leave the prices will remain exactly the same. There are exceptions, and there are trends. A single man is always an exception, and for a trend to occur, a much more complex mechanism must be in place.


But yeah, Odessa is definitely on my list now; and I promise I'll be very, very careful in your zapovednik.