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[Hecker]

These distinctions between western Slavs-eastern Slavs-south Slavs and Romanians, Hungarians are important because there is difference in attitude of girls according to nationality. Your perspectives are very different if a girl answers I am from Poland, than I am from Hungary and different when she says I am from Romania.

In Moldova there is slavic mix due to mixed marriages between Russians and Moldovans which were given financial motivation by communist regime in USSR in order to blend themoldovan population and remove it from pure romanian ethnicity. This slavic mix has affected the attitude of moldovan girls. Most mix has taken place in Transdnisteria of course where 60% of population is pure slavic (russian and ukrainian).

Anyway I would describe romanian mentality as balkan and moldovan as FSU but this is not the right topic for discussion.

As far as presents are concerned, the problem is if you have to buy presents before the sex. Because after that it is in your choice if you want to keep some kind of relationship or gratify the girl etc. I have noticed that girls who ask for expensive presents (over 150$) before sex tend to continue asking for presents of same value or even more expensive. It is a way that has no end.

So it is better to avoid girls who ask for expensive presents from the beginning before the sex.

There is also the possibility that the girl asks for present or financial help after the sex. This can puzzle when a girl was bedded with almost no expenses and now asks for money. In this case I never buy any present or give money. I prefer to lose the relationship.

The other usual case is when the girl asks for a present of normal value (30-100$) after having had repeatedely sex. It is some kind of ceremony in Ukraine and you are supposed to do that. Girls tend to compare the presents they have got from boyfriends and some of these comparisons may cause certain degrees of jealousness. There are girls who were ripped off and stolen of all the presents their bfs bought for them because they made other girls extremely jealous. Anyway the last case is easy to handle. You go and buy the present. She deserves it after all after so much unconditioned sex.

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[Prosal]

In Bucharest and Chisinau there are no slavic girls. There are latin girls. Romanians are of latin origin and have different mentality than Slavs (eastern Slavs-Russians, Ukrainians, western Slavs-Poles, Czechs, s outh Slavs-Serbs, Croats. Bulgarians).

Ok, ok.

Don't be such a pedantic and pontificating know-it-all "connoisseur". I posted pissed off (drunk) and made a mistake. Anyone with half a brain knows that romanians are not slavics.

[Doctor_Skank]

the more than I read you...the more than I agree with you...
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but sorry, 80$ parfume is only for a special one girl...


I have a 30 euros stock of "Ligh Blue", and some nice 30 euros dresses yet in my luggage

D&G Light Blue is always a good one and 30 Euro a good price.

I usually get D&G or Dior and $80 is a bit much for a normal gift, but I have a lot of "special girls"... It's not an opening gift so much as one for regular gfs or friends. Some of them I've known for years, so I try to remember as many birthdays and anniversaries as possible... and as I said, it isn't usually expensive gifts. Chocolate, flowers, a book, a CD (especially if a "homemade" one with songs "just for her") or anything else is good. The more "personal" the gift the better. Just 3 weeks ago a girl told me she thinks of me every morning because she drinks her morning tea from a cup I gave her 4 years ago. Another one told me her mom asks about me because she still has the stuffed animal on her piano that I gave her 5 years ago. Needless to say I can call either one of them over for a poke whenever I feel like it. Now that's the gift that keeps on giving. Having beautiful girls as fuck friends is great. We talk about their boyfriends, husbands or love lives, hopes and dreams. I am really amazed at the flexibility in relationships these girls are capable of if you are realistic and honest with them. It isn't necessary to throw money at them at all, but an occasional gift as a show of affection feels right. And it's much cheaper than having a wife.

A lousy gift in my opinion is jewelry. Even if it is cheap, it is hard to pick something she'll really like and I hate the thought of a piece of jewelry, even if just cheap $50 Svarovski necklace, just lying around somewhere unused. If you have an ugly breakup, she'll probably throw it in the Dnepr. Besides that, as I've been told having new jewelry is hard to explain to the boyfriend, less flashy gifts are more easily integrated.

Lingerie is always good, you can always make her model it for you. Another good bet is something cultural, they love it. A book by your favorite author, a book on photography, tickets to the opera or theater. You'll gain status with her immensely if you show your intellectual side.

Everybody has a different approach, but what I'm doing works really well for me. Just my 2 cents.

[Assimil]

The more than I read you. The more than I agree with you.

But sorry, 80$ parfume is only for a special one girl.

I have a 30 euros stock of "Ligh Blue", and some nice 30 euros dresses yet in my luggage.

The important thing for me is that if presents are to be made, it should be on my terms.

Letting a girl dictate what you are are spending is a horrible way to start a relationship and she WILL give you the runaround if she feels she can. It is pretty easy to tell which girls are "players" and looking to milk foreigners and which girls are more or less honest and just enjoying themselves with a man they like. Choosing which ones are keepers and present-worthy is fairly easy.

In the same token there is no charm in being ultra-cheap and "never" buying presents. If you really like the girl, why not. Just keep it on your terms and by no means over do it. Token presents are often just as effective as expensive ones. Giving presents is a part of Slavic culture, especially if it is someone you already know. Girls I know give me presents all the time, recently one gave me a $80 bottle of cologne.... most others however cheap stuff or a card. Flowers or chocolate are good choices to present her. If she is a regular and especially if I know she appreciates it, I'll occasionally give her something more... like a $80 Swatch watch for the younger girls or equally expensive perfume or clothes for the more sophisticated type. I get it all back 5-fold in terms of affection and appreciation. Is it absolutely necessary? Probably not. Do I feel used? Not one bit. How do you explain to a 19-year old girl that a 40ish successful businessman is too cheap to buy even token presents for "his" girl, even if she knows you fuck around?

If you want to "cheat", which is by no means anything bad in dating, you can keep a bottle of perfume or the like (usually about $60-80) in stock and IN YOUR ROOM. If she really doesn't want to go upstairs and is almost going home... say you bought her a present but it is in your room, asking her if she wants to get it and come up. She'll give you a crooked look and make "suspicious eyes"... but she'll likely come upstairs and after you've given her the present she'll fuck you. I do not feel ashamed in admitting this has worked for me on a few occasions where otherwise the evening might have ended alone.

Usually you won't need it though, I've been carrying around a bottle of D&G "the One" for 2 months now and have yet to need to deploy this weapon.

Ultimately it is a matter of personal judgement, but I feel it is important to maintain position with them and one can't always be Mr.Cheap-O... but one certainly can't let her dictate your spending either, you don't want to become just a "wallet" either.

[Assimil]

But lot's of people use it in Western Europe too, and on the other hand, how to stay "connected" till 5 o'clock in a Saturday morning western disco, if you don't drink?

How to begin nightlife at 2 o'clock if you don't drink?

And that's why I go to EE. To don't drink!

That's a technique in itself..

[Hecker]

Sorry, it's too complicated for me.

My "technique" is simple. I go in a bar in Chisinau or Bucarest, I get drunk, and I score and fuck a horny drunk and wild slavic girl. Period.

That's the only reason why I go in EE. If I want to apply "techniques" I stay in my home country, or go to Miami, Ibiza, Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo's litoral norte.

In EE personality and alcoholic inclinations are the keys.

In Bucharest and Chisinau there are no slavic girls. There are latin girls. Romanians are of latin origin and have different mentality than Slavs (eastern Slavs-Russians, Ukrainians, western Slavs-Poles, Czechs, south Slavs-Serbs, Croats. Bulgarians).

I have been in resorts packed with girls of all EE countries and the differences in mentality between slavic-hungarian-romanian girls were obvious.

Anyway what I suggest is that now in ukrainian province is difficult to get one night stands in discos as you could easily some years ago and there are reasons for that.

[Doctor_Skank]

My "technique" is simple. I go in a bar in Chisinau or Bucarest, I get drunk, and I score and fuck a horny drunk and wild slavic girl. Period.

That's a technique in itself..

[Prosal]

Not personality.Technique.If you have the technique everything flows fine

Sorry, it's too complicated for me.

My "technique" is simple. I go in a bar in Chisinau or Bucarest, I get drunk, and I score and fuck a horny drunk and wild slavic girl. Period.

That's the ONLY reason why I go in EE. If I want to apply "techniques" with non-pros then I stay in West Europe or go to South America.

In EE a pronounced personality and some strong alcoholic inclinations are the keys. If you have none better go elsewhere IMO.

Dyevs don't need "techniques". They need fun and wild action.

[Doctor_Skank]

The important thing for me is that if presents are to be made, it should be on my terms.

Letting a girl dictate what you are are spending is a horrible way to start a relationship and she WILL give you the runaround if she feels she can. It is pretty easy to tell which girls are "players" and looking to milk foreigners and which girls are more or less honest and just enjoying themselves with a man they like. Choosing which ones are keepers and present-worthy is fairly easy.

In the same token there is no charm in being ultra-cheap and "never" buying presents. If you really like the girl, why not. Just keep it on your terms and by no means over do it. Token presents are often just as effective as expensive ones. Giving presents is a part of Slavic culture, especially if it is someone you already know. Girls I know give me presents all the time, recently one gave me a $80 bottle of cologne.... most others however cheap stuff or a card. Flowers or chocolate are good choices to present her. If she is a regular and especially if I know she appreciates it, I'll occasionally give her something more... like a $80 Swatch watch for the younger girls or equally expensive perfume or clothes for the more sophisticated type. I get it all back 5-fold in terms of affection and appreciation. Is it absolutely necessary? Probably not. Do I feel used? Not one bit. How do you explain to a 19-year old girl that a 40ish successful businessman is too cheap to buy even token presents for "his" girl, even if she knows you fuck around?

If you want to "cheat", which is by no means anything bad in dating, you can keep a bottle of perfume or the like (usually about $60-80) in stock and IN YOUR ROOM. If she really doesn't want to go upstairs and is almost going home... say you bought her a present but it is in your room, asking her if she wants to get it and come up. She'll give you a crooked look and make "suspicious eyes"... but she'll likely come upstairs and after you've given her the present she'll fuck you. I do not feel ashamed in admitting this has worked for me on a few occasions where otherwise the evening might have ended alone.

Usually you won't need it though, I've been carrying around a bottle of D&G "the One" for 2 months now and have yet to need to deploy this weapon.

Ultimately it is a matter of personal judgement, but I feel it is important to maintain position with them and one can't always be Mr.Cheap-O... but one certainly can't let her dictate your spending either, you don't want to become just a "wallet" either.

[Hecker]

Never been to Ukraine yet I can assure that in Romania and Moldova there's still TONS of girls who, for an uncomplicated and fun adventure with a good-looking and cool foreigner, won't have any materialistic expectations, won't expect the relationship to last forever, and with who the key to success won't be nor fake promesses nor wallet's depth but personality.

I can't see why this couldn't be true in Ukraine also.

BTW ...what about the "one-night-stand vodka-fuelled sl*ts" factor in Sevastopol during summertime ..is it a happening city ? ..I'm still pondering about leaving the romanian/moldovian dyevs for a while this summer and Sevastopol is at the top of the list (and Odessa at the bottom). Any opinion ?

Not personality.Technique.If you have the technique everything flows fine.However my observations regard Dnipro and I suppose generally Donbass area or more extended Eastern Ukraine area.South is different,there are some other factors playing as well.

You never make fake promises.It is mind game.Girls always suppose you make them while you actually never express them in order to justify their actions to sleep with you.

[Prosal]

Girls in ukrainian province now expect a relationship long time. This is the key to think. They are not fuckbodies.They also expect presents

Never been to Ukraine yet I can assure that in Romania and Moldova there's still TONS of girls who, for an uncomplicated and fun adventure with a good-looking and cool foreigner, won't have any materialistic expectations, won't expect the relationship to last forever, and with who the key to success won't be nor fake promesses nor wallet's depth but personality.

I can't see why this couldn't be true in Ukraine also.

BTW ...what about the "one-night-stand vodka-fuelled sl*ts" factor in Sevastopol during summertime ..is it a happening city ? ..I'm still pondering about leaving the romanian/moldovian dyevs for a while this summer and Sevastopol is at the top of the list (and Odessa at the bottom). Any opinion ?

[Hecker]

hecker whats a present? some are lucky to get a night out or dinner or lunch. in yenakievo as a tourist you have 2 chances none and really none, you are a stranger in a strange land there. i agree with cruiser presents = pro or semi pro.

i don't even like it when you walk into the shop and the girl orders herself some cigarettes (i don't smoke) and expects me to pay!

i will pay but she won't see me again! ok you will say whats 5grvn?

i don't care i am not a walking wallett. and as soon as i feel that way its good bye.

you are perhaps getting shook down too much, treat them mean to keep them keen, its an old addege but stands firm in the donbass area!

and cruiser thats exactly what i was trying to say until bez made me fell like a [CodeWord126]!

q

i mean that 2-3 years ago there were girls in province who fucked without any demands. you met them in disco, park, internet or wherever and they went straight to hotel. now these girls are not available to the tourist anymore.

the tourist has to start relationship long term to be able to bed girls. this means that he has to visit the same place more than once and be involved with one girl for most part of the time. i always refer to the tourist who has 7-10 days vaccation and wonders where it is best to spend it.

[Qjump]

hecker
whats a present? some are lucky to get a night out or dinner or lunch.
in yenakievo as a tourist you have 2 chances none and really none, you are a stranger in a strange land there.
i agree with cruiser presents = pro or semi pro.
i dont even like it when you walk into the shop and the girl orders herself some cigarettes (i dont smoke) and expects me to pay!
i will pay but she wont see me again! ok you will say whats 5grvn?
i dont care i am not a walking wallett...................and as soon as i feel that way its good bye.
you are perhaps getting shook down too much, treat them mean to keep them keen, its an old addege but stands firm in the donbass area!

and cruiser thats exactly what i was trying to say until bez made me fell like a [CodeWord126]!
q

[Cruiser D]

Being old hands at this, Q and Bez. I would think you already know when a girl agrees to come back to your apartment she has already 'resigned' herself to the fact you are going to fuck her. Of course if you already had a long day of fucking you might just roll over and go to sleep if she starts playing games, that works well too.

Hecker, the non scammer girls in the provinces are only interested in the usual slavic token gift if they are interested in a real relationship. The others are just being semi pro's with their short term foreign men.

[Hecker]

Girls in ukrainian province now expect a relationship long time. This is the key to think. They are not fuckbodies. They also expect presents from the start of the relationship.

If sb lives there, he has a totally different perspective. Imagine you have one week to spend in vaccations in Ukraine. Would you head for Yenankievo? You have no chance for failure if you are short time traveller.