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[LifeSavour]

Guys, please stop reading what you want to see and read what is there!
.......
I say clearly there apartment! Not my hotel or apartment,....!

But Q, after living here for over 4 years - the number of women that actually live ALONE is so small, I don't see you scoring that way too often!

Here in Kyiv, 99.5% live with somone else!

[Bez Bezarra]

the freebie I fuck them first date 100% but they say they dont "normally" its all bullshit

If you get back to theirs

or

them to yours,

its as good as said,

even if they play the I dont do it first date shit.

Yeah Jumpsuit!

Sure, you were ONLY talking about YOU going to THEIRS???

Nothing about "or THEM to YOURS, its still 100%"?

You never said that, ok, right. So I guess I just made that up all by myself.

Its pathetic everybody complains when I expose something I find that smacks of contemptable hubris or just outright deserving of an apology to the readership, or something that standing on its own without an explanation does leave A LOT of unanswered questions, but nobody ever complains about the author that shat all over our thread.

Getting back to this as yet STILL unanswered controversy, I wish they still had ludes, 'cause when they had those leg-spreaders, damn! The hippy chicks in Gainesville always used to say 'they don't do the nasty 'cause they're good girls', but one 714 wahsed down with a Heinekin, and an hour later they were moaning like banshees!

[Romano V]

I do not understand they ask for a viza who is the entrance for Kazantip 120 $ for one mounth but if you just want to stay 24 hours or 2-3 days maximum how much you need to pay?

i do not like electro and that kind of music but if you can watch nice nymphets in top less and sometimes with nothing on the body...

[Austin 147]

A hole is a hole!

I know I have no chance this year in Ukraine and Moldova but I continue I need to fuck and I can't stay in my bidonville near Paris to fuck 40+

Next week I will have a meeting in Paris with a young and attractive ukrainian but she is not blonde, she is from Mariupol and said me that her city is not beautiful, beaches and Azov sea are dirty in this place but maybe she said it to me not to go to her city because she is afraid that I fuck all the girls of Mariupol.

If you want to go in Mariupol you need to take the plane to Donetsk and next the train or you go in Kharkov and take the train too.

I will try to do some pics of her and I will post them in the photo gallery section in France.

Romanov,

I worked one year and a half in Mariupol, and believe me. She didn't lie about beaches and sea.

Just for information, you can reach Mariupol directly by plane if you fly trough Kiev. But I must admit it's not so convenient as you arrive in Boryspol and the flight Kiev-Mariupol is from Zhuliany (the 2nd airport in Kiev), so the option of landing in Donetsk and then bus, train or taxi is not bad.

I'd like to know how comes that this girl from Mariupol is in Paris now. So if you can answer you can PM me (in few days because I just subscribed.)

As I didn't see a lot of information about Mariupol in the forum. If anybody wants some PM me. I'll try to post a report soon for everybody.

Qjump,

I saw that you were living in Donetsk.

I'll go back to France next week, but should be back in Ukraine soon for several months. So as I only went few times there, and as I don't know so much about the town. I would be glad to have a beer and enjoy hunting with someone who knows well the area. PM me

[Hecker]

A hole is a hole!

I know I have no chance this year in Ukraine and Moldova but I continue I need to fuck and I can't stay in my bidonville near Paris to fuck 40+

Next week I will have a meeting in Paris with a young and attractive ukrainian but she is not blonde, she is from Mariupol and said me that her city is not beautiful, beaches and Azov sea are dirty in this place but maybe she said it to me not to go to her city because she is afraid that I fuck all the girls of Mariupol.

If you want to go in Mariupol you need to take the plane to Donetsk and next the train or you go in Kharkov and take the train too.

I will try to do some pics of her and I will post them in the photo gallery section in France.

Are you serious?Why take the plane to Donetsk and then train to Mariupol when there is plane straight from Kiev to Mariupol every day?And Kharkov is about 600 km from Kiev in the East,so if you take the plane to get there you get another 600 km away from Mariupol which is supposed to be your final destination.

[Qjump]

Guys, please stop reading what you want to see and read what is there!
Only Hecker has read it properly and understands my point.
I say clearly there apartment! Not my hotel or apartment, very clear difference. I have a real problem taking them back to my apartment as I would not like to wake the wife and kids!
I assume I will get laid when I cross the threshold, my normal gambit to make things really clear even before we go back to hers (this is not to show off) is "shall I tell my driver to go home or should he wait for me?" normally works a treat.
And Tremayne I live here and have business here, you think I dont know the score? especially here in Donbass, just do a google search and see where most businessmens background is from around here!

[Cruiser D]

Yeah, he's called Ben Franklin, although for minor problems call Mr Jackson or Mr Grant first.

lay a complaint with the Militia. If you are a foreigner in Ukraine without the right connections then this is one problem that you most definitely don't need.

[Tremayne]

Well, I'm thrilled that once again I started a discussion, BUT NO ONE IS DISCUSSING what I asked for an answer about! Can you guys read?

Qjunk made a bold statement that ANY dyev that agrees to come up to my flat and says NO! when I try to turn our conversation into our first intimate experience, is really lying because she actualy wants to go to bed with me.

And I am telling you that I have had DOZENS of dyevs come up to my flat, and they almost always will not have sex. I'd say its about 80% of the time, if they agree to meet me at a cafe, and we have a conversaion, and things go well, and I am able to get them to come back to my flat, it is almost impossible to get them into bed.

Oh it does happen sometimes, I guess I could say 1 out of 5 will go for it, but that's a pretty low success rate compared to Q's bold statement that he fucks them 100% of the time when they initially say NO I DONT DO THAT.

The other fact, is that of the 1 out of 5 that I can get into my bed, its because I have made them an offer they can't refuse, like $200.

Now keep in mind, I ONLY ask dyevs that are at least 8's, 9's, or 10's, and they are NEVER drunk, and its almost always in the afternoon or early evening, and they are NEVER older than 18 or 19. And I've also promised them, that I will NOT attack them, to get them to agree to come up with me to be alone. So I would guess that Q's 100% rule, he does NOT follow ALL of my limitations, nor do ANY of the rest of you sons of bitches! :-)

Qjump is making a slightly dangerous assumption that all girls will have sex if they agree to come back to his apartment. Some girls will come back perhaps based on a guys polite and gentlemanly behaviour down in the cafe or bar, but this doesn't mean that they are ready to jump into bed first time. If the guy then changes into some rampant stud who will not take no for an answer there is a risk that the girl will freak out and lay a complaint with the Militia. If you are a foreigner in Ukraine without the right connections then this is one problem that you most definitely don't need.

[Hecker]

Buz,

I defer to your far superior experience and obvious higher standards in women. I stand by what I have said If I get back to their apartment I will be fucking them. What you still seem to miss read is not all of them say "I am not that type of girl" only a few did or do.

Of course when you are like me and will fuck anything that moves. Wait no I am not VV.

Yes ok back I do have quite high standards and never even look at anything below a 7. And really dunk. Never.

Ages well yes ok I will still have a sniff at a good looking 30 year old, but most I do are early 20's.

We all operate on differnt levels and diffrent ways, the one thing I do helps me is I live here so they think there will be a "future" and for the lucky few I will return for seconds or more.

I think he repeats again ''if I get back to their apartment'', so he obviously writes about this case.

[Romano V]

Of course when you are like me and will fuck anything that moves. Wait no I am not VV.

A hole is a hole!

I know I have no chance this year in Ukraine and Moldova but I continue I need to fuck and I can't stay in my bidonville near Paris to fuck 40+

Next week I will have a meeting in Paris with a young and attractive ukrainian but she is not blonde, she is from Mariupol and said me that her city is not beautiful, beaches and Azov sea are dirty in this place but maybe she said it to me not to go to her city because she is afraid that I fuck all the girls of Mariupol.

If you want to go in Mariupol you need to take the plane to Donetsk and next the train or you go in Kharkov and take the train too.

I will try to do some pics of her and I will post them in the photo gallery section in France.

[Doctor_Skank]

I think there is a misunderstanding.Qjump wrote that he has a 100% success rate when the girl brings him to her apartment not when he brings her to his hotel.

My experience is that if girl agrees to come to hotel,she has already decided for sex or at least make out.The question will you come to my hotel without further justification is equal to the question will you have sex with me if translated in girls' language.

I don't know what happens if sb says,let's get to my hotel to admire my collection of stamps because I have never used such a line.

No, he's saying that in Ukraine when a girl agrees to go to your apartment (or hotel room for that matter). i.e. a place where she is alone with a "strange man", she has agreed to have sex with you, even if she may protest and claim to be a "good girl".

There is definitely a degree of truth to this... but believe it or not, there are also girls who will go up to your apartment and do not have sex with you no matter what you try or do... has happened to me before on a few rare occasions, mostly during the day IIRC. Or maybe it was just me..

Especially in the larger cities it is becoming more the norm as social patterns change among young people in particular. It is no longer considered socially unacceptable for a young lady to be alone in a room with a man she will not marry. Times change.

Still, the ultimate goal is always to get her in your apartment. Once there, your chances of getting your dick wet are very very high.

[Cruiser D]

Yes, presents are nice. I usually give whatever girl I am seeing a bunch of Kyiv metro tokens. You should really see her eyes light up.

The only present I usual give a girl is my company and dinner - geez, I am bad aren't I. Luckily my amazing self is enough of a draw for now.

[Qjump]

Buz
I defer to your far superior experience and obvious higher standards in women.
I stand by what I have said If I get back to their apartment I will be fucking them. what you still seem to miss read is not all of them say "I am not that type of girl" only a few did or do.
Of course when you are like me and will fuck anything that moves........ wait no I am not VV.................
Yes ok back I do have quite high standards and never even look at anything below a 7. And really dunk..... never.
Ages well yes ok i will still have a sniff at a good looking 30 year old, but most I do are early 20's.
We all operate on differnt levels and diffrent ways, the one thing I do helps me is I live here so they think there will be a "future" and for the lucky few I will return for seconds or more................

[Hecker]

Well, I'm thrilled that once again I started a discussion, BUT NO ONE IS DISCUSSING what I asked for an answer about! Can you guys read?

Qjunk made a bold statement that ANY dyev that agrees to come up to my flat and says NO! when I try to turn our conversation into our first intimate experience, is really lying because she actualy wants to go to bed with me.

And I am telling you that I have had DOZENS of dyevs come up to my flat, and they almost always will not have sex. I'd say its about 80% of the time, if they agree to meet me at a cafe, and we have a conversaion, and things go well, and I am able to get them to come back to my flat, it is almost impossible to get them into bed.

Oh it does happen sometimes, I guess I could say 1 out of 5 will go for it, but that's a pretty low success rate compared to Q's bold statement that he fucks them 100% of the time when they initially say NO I DONT DO THAT.

The other fact, is that of the 1 out of 5 that I can get into my bed, its because I have made them an offer they can't refuse, like $200.

Now keep in mind, I ONLY ask dyevs that are at least 8's, 9's, or 10's, and they are NEVER drunk, and its almost always in the afternoon or early evening, and they are NEVER older than 18 or 19. And I've also promised them, that I will NOT attack them, to get them to agree to come up with me to be alone. So I would guess that Q's 100% rule, he does NOT follow ALL of my limitations, nor do ANY of the rest of you sons of bitches! :-)

I think there is a misunderstanding.Qjump wrote that he has a 100% success rate when the girl brings him to her apartment not when he brings her to his hotel.

My experience is that if girl agrees to come to hotel,she has already decided for sex or at least make out.The question will you come to my hotel without further justification is equal to the question will you have sex with me if translated in girls' language.

I don't know what happens if sb says,let's get to my hotel to admire my collection of stamps because I have never used such a line.

[Bez Bezarra]

Well, I'm thrilled that once again I started a discussion, BUT NO ONE IS DISCUSSING what I asked for an answer about! Can you guys read?

Qjunk made a bold statement that ANY dyev that agrees to come up to my flat and says NO! when I try to turn our conversation into our first intimate experience, is really lying because she actualy wants to go to bed with me.

And I am telling you that I have had DOZENS of dyevs come up to my flat, and they almost always will not have sex. I'd say its about 80% of the time, if they agree to meet me at a cafe, and we have a conversaion, and things go well, and I am able to get them to come back to my flat, it is almost impossible to get them into bed.

Oh it does happen sometimes, I guess I could say 1 out of 5 will go for it, but that's a pretty low success rate compared to Q's bold statement that he fucks them 100% of the time when they initially say NO I DONT DO THAT.

The other fact, is that of the 1 out of 5 that I can get into my bed, its because I have made them an offer they can't refuse, like $200.

Now keep in mind, I ONLY ask dyevs that are at least 8's, 9's, or 10's, and they are NEVER drunk, and its almost always in the afternoon or early evening, and they are NEVER older than 18 or 19. And I've also promised them, that I will NOT attack them, to get them to agree to come up with me to be alone. So I would guess that Q's 100% rule, he does NOT follow ALL of my limitations, nor do ANY of the rest of you sons of bitches! :-)