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  1. #167
    Vega,

    Your post is half right and half wrong.

    English is the most widely used language in the USA, Spanish is the most widely used second language. However, it is not because Americans learn Spanish but due to the huge Hispanic emigration, both legal and illegal.

    I have to agree with you, though, on Spanish in Ukraine. It is indeed extremely rare to see any lady from here learning or speaking Spanish.

    English is by far the number one language, with German a very distant second, French and Italian even farther back. Spanish is a minor blip on the radar screen. I know since I have been involved with school and university projects.

  2. #166

    spanish is only for u.s

    Although Spanish is the most widely used language in the U.S, I have not encountered even a single girl acquainted with it among the hundreds I've met so far..

  3. #165

    Dnepropetrovsk

    Hi all,

    It seems, Snowy, that you have useful experience about the city of Dnepropetrovsk.

    I am planing to visit a girl there in March, which I know for half a year now...she is a student not a hooker, her English is very well.

    As I do not want to just drop by and invite myself into her parents' home I am looking for a reasonable priced place to stay for 3 or 4 nights. It doesn't have to be a Hotel which offers great location or service as I mostly will hang out in the city with her. I would like to ask you or others in this Forum about where to get information about Hotels in Dnepro and prices as well as useful experiences about this particular city. Also flight information is welcome...I think I will fly via Czech or Malev to Kiew and then with Aerosvit to Dnepro or maybe with Aerosvit from Warsaw via Kiew...Does anyone know if online booking on Aerosvit's website is possible for EU-citizens..?? Is it trustworthy like booking online at Ryanair etc..? I would like to know, as rates offered by Aerosvit are low cost in comparison to Austrian Airlines or Ukrainian Airlines.

    Thank you all for your help.

    Cheers,

    AF

  4. #164
    MM -
    I don't have a knack for picking up foreign languages, so I've also had the same problem keeping them separated. When I put the effort into my Russian, I find myself losing my edge with Spanish and confusing the two languages. I know some people can do it, but I don't know of a trick if there is one.

    The German doesn't surprise me - I have found so many times in my travels throughout E. Europe where some German knowledge would have really made a difference (I thought it was English first and German a distant second with other languages being virtually irrelevent in the practical sense for mongering). But it's good to hear about the Spanish in Ukraine - especially for a foreign language challenged person like myself.

    I wasn't sure how to interpret your final statements. Have you pretty much decided to put off Russian and just focus on the Spanish? If your impressions on Odessa and Kharkov are correct, and are applicable to the other "small" cities, it would be worthwhile for me to put my S. American trip before my Ukraine trip this summer - a good opportunity for me to work on my Spanish before I go to the Ukraine.

    Maybe some other posters have some facts about the language issues in Ukraine. Thanks for your help!

  5. #163

    Logic and reality !

    There is a wide gap between " logic " and reality !

    all what you said is IMHO what is called in french " une fausse bonne idee ! " ( a false good idea ! )

    “ it seems like the smaller cities are a gold mine if you know some basic Russian – “.

    THE PROS :

    You are a foreigner. Everybody knows it. The devushkis (girls) know it. They see it. One american living in Crimea told me : “ they smell it ! “. I ask myself several of the girls I met " How do you knew I was a foreigner " . " “ I knew it. You have not a slavic face !!!!!!! "

    You play your cards : “ The white god factor “ : you are exotic, you speak often several other foreign languages, you have money ( much more than they have ), in their eyes you are “ RICH, WEALTHY “, you travelled already in the world ! New York, Paris, Venice, Rome, Asia, South America , all these countries and towns the devushkis have seen on TV.

    THE CONS :

    You are observed. Followed. Checked. Judged. Evaluated. I spent 3 weeks in july 2002 In Sevastopol, a city of 350.000 inhabitants . I was THE French ! ( In fact there was another one ). There was also one German, my future wingman ! ( see rule 1 ).

    People I never met told me " Hi Frenchie " " Priwjet, Frantsous " . A woman told me " Ah you are the frenchman who lives 3 blocks away ! "

    A young man, may be 25 yo, told me : " I have seen you several times. You were yesterday evening with a very beautiful girl.( Natasha, 30 year old, 1 son ) " So do not count on anonymity !

    It is why it is not so easy to get acquainted with LOCAL girls or women. Even if you speak some russian ! It helps to get acquainted, but often is not enough. Social pressure is very strong. I picked up a nice Jana 19 year old, peroxyde blonde, nice breasts and the usual very red lips among a group of five devushkis. I had a head-on the day before with the “ boss “ of her group ! After some discussions and much hesitation, she told me " I can not go with you, I can not fight my friends, I live there, I need my friends. ". And bye Jana.

    My tip in Crimea : Select the (bela)russian or ukrainian tourist females who do not care !

    "I'm thinking about making my first trip out of Kiev down to the Black Sea area - Crimean Peninsula particularly. As I understand it to be a vacation area for many Russians and Ukrainians, I think there may be a lot of English speakers in the region.”

    Crimea is a BIG destination for russian/ukrainian / bielorussian tourists. 4.500.000 this year. It is a MUST for them. ( 8.000.000 tourists under the soviets )

    In fact there is nothing special to do ! There is some historical " castles " to visit.( Russian, Tatar) We have them by the dozen in France and Germany. But for them it is " IN " to visit them. A curiosity. They have killed millions of people in the Gulag, but they ask you to cover your shoes with slippers in the museums and the castles to not damage the wood floor !

    Otherwise, beaches ( Sevastopol, Saki, Feodosia, Eupatoria, Sudak ) are not very large, with generally no sand and can be crowded. And the usual water attractions for tourist. You find some nudist beaches in Koktebel.

    So when you are in Crimea the best way to spend your time is to chase girls ( IMHO) ! Avoid the excursion tourists females who come for the day in Yalta for example.

    Well known Yalta is a little town. 70.000 people in winter, if I remember well

    But I will not say that there is “ a lot of english speakers “ in the region, main restaurants have a menu card in english in Sevastopol and yalta because of foreign tourists coming with cruises on the Black Sea or along the Dnepr.

    But everywhere else it is very limited ! almost no foreign tourist. You can find some people speaking german ( military service in former East Germany ). French is just for some intellectuals ! generally not the most attractive women ! )))


    “ Maybe my logic is flawed, but this is maybe part of the idea for why you mentioned Odessa as being a city with a higher number of English speakers. “

    THE MAIN TIP :

    You have a basic flaw : you are a westerner, you live in a rare target environment ! Sometimes you do not see a valuable target during days, even weeks ! And when you see a valuable target, this target often use sophisticated counter-measures !

    Conversely Russia and Ukraine are what they call in the Air Force : " A target-rich environment ! "

    If you are a newcomer, a newbie, you have no training, even a basic one, no idea of the tactics to use in this new environment ! Here the targets do not use sophisticated counter-measures ! It is a poor country ! They have not the budget !

    You have to develop a unique ability ! You need to learn to manage multiple valuable targets at the same time ! It is why you need repeat travels to Ukraine or Russian for basic training and tactics improvement ! because at the beginning there are so many possible, valuable and willing targets that you are desoriented, confused ! You have not the right " situationnal awareness " as they said in the Air Force because of your old inadequated training !

    My first tip : A wingman multiplies your chances to score

    Come here with a friend or make quickly acquaintance with another foreigner because 99 % of the devushkis come with a friend. If you are alone, with no “ wingman “ it is not an easy situation to manage.

    My second tip : Do not take a taxi during the day.

    Would you like to have a date with a taxi driver ? Obviously no ! Take the buses (or the Metro in Kiev or Moscow). A lot of women wait for the buses. Ask the devushkis for directions, for stops etc. Could you show me the street XYZ, the church, the hotel, etc. / Gde ulitsa Lenina ? gde gostinitsa Ukraina, gde avtobus vogsal ? etc

    My third tip : Another Variant is o not rent a car with a driver, take the bus for the excursions !

    I spend one full day, 11 hours, from 8.00 to 19.00 with 19 single women from 18 to 42 on an excursion trip from Sevastopol to Yalta !

    There were also retired people and couples with kids and babushkas ! But we agree all that it is not our target !

    Can you imagine the opportunities ? opened :

    by generously offering at a stop a tea to five devs ( 10 grivni 2 $) for whatever reason I do not remember,

    by asking to have a picture of yourself taken by your camera by the dev you are targeting ( avoid diplomatically the helpful babushka, it is not your target) ,

    by asking “help” from another dev you are targeting to change money ( even if you have grivnis in your pocket !), ( moreover on a free market there is some competition, same thing for the devs !)

    by asking where are the toilets ( do not forget to bring your own toilet paper !),

    by asking what is the best counsel of the devs to buy a book, a brochure, a postcard (1 grivni cheap), a souvenir ( for my mother, Slavicgourmet is a good boy !),

    by buying a pack of cigarettes for the dev you are targeting if she smokes ( 4 grivni) ( obviously you forgot your lighter and have no matches),

    By sharing a pizza with a group of devs ( you have always at least a possible target ( even for training ) in every group of devs) during the lunch pause. As a foreign gentleman Slavicgourmet proposes to pay the beers or the coffees ! ( other tip always propose to pay to a group of devs what you know is cheap tea, coffee, beer but read the menu card before ! i had once a bad surprise !)

    by buying fruits ( cheap and excellent) with the help of 2 devs to share in the bus with all the devs ( you are generous and not greedy ) ( showing thatSlavicgourmet manages a healthy way of life :

    By doing so you lead with the devushkis a simple russian conversation with xorosho (good ok) / vitamin / and names of fruits you find in every pocket guide. General theme is fruits are full of vitamins, it is life (jisn ), tasty ( vkushny) healthy etc). ! you know already one word BANAN ! Do not forget you LOVE fruits, every fruits and particularly the preferred fruit of your targets !

    You can even organize a nice society game outside or in the bus ! you show a fruit and ask “ kak po-rousskii “ ( what is the name in russian ? ) and you repeat the name with your delicious foreign accent ! you repeat several time to improve your russian skills ! A dev will always ask you what is it in english ( french, german etc ) and will repeat too, following by some others ! at the end of the game you kiss slightly the hand of every of your female teacher ! it gives you some clues ( shy or not shy, reluctant, sweet, open, defensive, responsive, warm , cold ???)

    For a modest investment : 1 pack of cigarettes, 2 kg of fruits, 2 big pizzas, 2 $ of tea, a cultural brochure , 3 postcards of yalta , other cheap niceties and by sharing by bottle of mineral water I collected nine phone numbers and adresses ! for less than 10 euros !

    At the end of the excursion, the bus stopped at the bus station and not on the seafront where we started in the morning ( 5 minutes by feet from my flat ); There was a full conference between the devs + the tour guide to decide what was the best way to bring Slavicgourmet home safely ! which bus to take etc !

    At the end of the 10 minutes animated conference, 2 devs of Belarus ( friends) volunteered to go with Slavicgourmet by bus ! All devs + the tour guide seemed genuinely think that a foreigner is a 4 year old child who needs help ! Even if the foreigner was already in 29 differents countries and travels abroad since he is 13 ( with his parents !)

    Obviously I told nobody that a) I had a map with all the bus lines b) I read Cyrillic c) if I was really “lost” I could always take a taxi

    A taxi to the center of Sevastopol ( no foreigner has ever lived in the crumpy outskirts ) costs 10 / 12 grivni ! 2 $ which is half the minimum fee you have already paid in Paris when your taxi driver ignites the motor !

    During the following 10 days Slavicgourmet scored 5 of the above devs :

    Ludmila 23 from Brest Belarus : midwife
    Sveta , her friend, 25, from Brest Belarus , nurse
    Valentina 42 from Kharkov Ukraine, doctor
    Valentina 28 from Novosibirsk, Siberia, accountant
    Sveta, 25, from Moscow, engeneer ( studying)

    I just had the usual spendings, drinks, ice-creams, restaurants, buses or taxis and 2 times some clothes ( total damages for clothes 31 $ ) as genuine gifts !

    My fourth tip. A very good tip :visit the markets .

    I like the ukrainian markets ! I visited the Central market everyday ! Women everywhere. Ask for prices, quantity, quality etc. My favorite : the place where they sell clothes ! 95 % of women.

    And women try the dresses in the open ( in spring and summer ) ! its YSWYG (you see what you get !) ! I met there a beautiful Tatyana 30 yo trying a minidress colour rose. I make my thumb up, then said loud " Haracho " ( ok )- Smile – ja frantsous ( I am french) for me Ok. ( My russian at the time was primitive ). She was with a friend. ( I had no wingman ( see rule n° 1 ).

    I met her the day after in a disco wearing this dress and well the rest is history.

    A curiosity : Twins !!! Russians marry very early . So it is very common to meet a pair : a beautiful matured woman of 40 ( divorced ) with her copy of 18 / 20. Interesting situation too. ( No, no, no, I had no threesome !! More exactly, not this kind ! ).

    My fifth tip : Use wisely your money when you invite !

    One key factor in Crimea and Ukraine is that drinks and food are for nothing. You have no financial risks to invite a girl to take a juice ( sok ) or even a cup of Crimean Champagne or to dinner. But be selective. I saw an american guy taken for a bank or an ATM on feet ! He spends a lot of time drinking with nice girls, and friends of these girls who themselves knew other girls. But no results.

    In Crimea, there is nice devushkis in holydays by the dozen. Avoid the pros in Yalta with dollars in their eyes. It is a (spoiled ) minority but very aggressive ( if you say no )!

    The nice average devushkis will be very happy to have a drink or to go to dinner with you. Because it is as exciting and exotic for them as it is for you ! For sex everything is open. My tip : Be direct. She can say yes.

    Sixth tip ! Be direct, firm and kind !

    Your russian is zilch. My too ( for a philosophical conversation and even a normal one ! ). Her english is poor at best. Nuances and understatements lead you nowhere, believe me. She generally does not understand you. And take care : misunderstandings are easy !

    At the beginning of my russian / ukrainian trips, with regular devushkis or women I told about " some more intimate relations " and sentences of the same nature etc. No response. The devushkis were mute. They did not understood me.

    After having understood this point, I used the word SEX, underlined and written in big characters. Generally you have a yes. Not always but often.

    Last tip. In Russia the man is the boss. Be kind, polite ( you are a genteleman and a foreigner ) AND directive ( you are a MAN ). The participative / democratic style : " Where would you like to go to dinner, to go, what do you want to do ? Etc. creates me more problems than give positive results. Same thing at best the devushkis do not understand your behavior, at worst they find you " weak ".

    My conclusion is :

    - smaller cities are a gold mine ! You find here a lot of pepites : many miniskirted devushkis with long legs and red lips available ! everybody agree on the fact. They have less contacts with foreigners. They are less “ spoiled “ than in Kiev.
    -
    - but a gold pepite is not marketable ! what to do in HER town, among HER friends and acquaintances in HER environment ! how to safely turn a gold pepite into gold ? how to get a provincial ukrainian BJ ? how to f.... her ?
    -
    - only gold has a practical market value. The key factor is to change the environment ! YOUR TARGET IS :
    -
    - a mini-skirted devushki ( with long legs and red lips )
    raised in ANOTHER small / middle town and living in THIS small / middle town where you presently are, whatever the reason ( work, tourism, university ),
    speaking a little english (or spanish, german, french or whatever language you can speak ( if she speaks well, she has practice with other foreigners, and your white god factor is less efficient in the reverse proportion of her ability to speak !)
    with an average job : nurse, seller, accountant, clerk, civil servant
    .
    - By targeting this gem you improve by a factor 10 your chance of a hit !

  6. #162

    English in Ukraine

    Thanks Mangus Man -
    This is a whole different angle I haven't heard about. I have an American lady friend that lives in a small town in central Portugal. When I had mentioned travelling to the Ukraine a while back, she said there were a lot of Ukrainians in her area working. They weren't necessarily women, nor did they know Portugese, but the fact that there were so many of them in the rural towns of Portugal (from her reaction) was a bit surprising to me. I live in an American city that is referred to as the second largest Polish city in the world. It also has one of the largest Ukrainian populations outside of the Ukraine. I know the former president of Lithuania was from my city, and a Latvian president was from Canada. The point is, it's easy to make false assumptions based on things like these. Maybe I need to get out more.

    I was in Amsterdam last week and was talking with a waitress who was from Lisbon. She said that so many foreigners are coming into Portugal now, that it is difficult for many of the natives to find good jobs. She said a lot of Brazilians are coming in and taking all levels of jobs. She contrasted it with the Netherlands, in that the Dutch do not let many foreigners have jobs outside of the service sector. I told her what my friend said about the Ukrainians, and she agreed in general.

    Your points about why many of the Ukrainian women are studying Spanish makes sense. It also fits with some things I have noticed in the past but didn't seem to fit for me. When I was talking with a Polish guy in Warsaw about three years ago, he said his son was currently studying Spanish. He said it was a popular language. It surprised me at the time, but he also mentioned how Spanish soap operas were very popular, also.

    Anyhow, thanks for the new angle on this language issue in the Ukraine. I always keep coming back to Spanish. Maybe I'd have better luck talking to girls outside of Kiev in Spanish before trying English - what a thought.

  7. #161

    A little Russian goes a long way

    Thanks, Snowy. That's very helpful information.
    I've been going back and forth for awhile with the idea of focusing on continuing with Spanish study, or giving Russian an effort while Spanish takes a break. You've given me new energy to put my Russian books and CD's back on my table.
    I know exactly what you mean when you say that a little Russian will open up many women to use their English - and when each of you know a little of the others language, it can really go far. I can communicate a lot with the Spanish I know, but understanding it is a lot harder for many reasons. I can choose the limited number of words I know to communicate what I want, even though I mostly use the present tense with other words to modify it. I've been talking with a lady from South America for over a year now, and I speak Spanish to her while she speaks English to me. It takes a lot of the pressure off of one person and keeps the conversation flowing.
    Well, it seems like the smaller cities are a gold mine if you know some basic Russian - that has always been my hunch, but it's good to have someone with your experience give his thoughts on the matter. I'm thinking about making my first trip out of Kiev down to the Black Sea area - Crimean Peninsula particularly. As I understand it to be a vacation area for many Russians and Ukrainians, I think there may be a lot of English speakers in the region. Maybe my logic is flawed, but this is maybe part of the idea for why you mentioned Odessa as being a city with a higher number of English speakers. Thanks again.

  8. #160

    English speakers

    Jak

    This is just a personal perspective and other people who have travelled around the other cities may have other views. A lot my work is done throughout the regions, so I do a lot of work outside of the cities in some of the really poor areas, where English is nearly non-existent.

    Generally speaking I think it's all a matter of proportions and expectations. A lot more girls in the smaller cities will speak at least a smattering of English as compared to the no. of girls who could speak Russian - or indeed any other language - in somewhere like NY or London.

    Quite a few of the students have studied some English at school - I can't remember if it's compulsory, but I've met several English teachers from all over Ukraine and it's the most popular foreign language to learn.

    From a contact point of view it depends where you are. A lot of girls who will make it clear that they would like to talk to you as you walk around will speak English, so for a short stay it can seem that a large number of people speak English. If you are doing the approaching though, you'll find that the vast majority of the girls speak no English at all. Of course if you go to the "right" clubs/bars - RP in Kiev is the extreme example- it can seem like all Ukrainian girls speak excellent English but the truth is that the vast majority of available girls will speak little or no English outside of Kiev (or at least in the Eastern cities - it may be a bit better in somewhere like Odessa and I haven't travelled enough in the West to say).

    Even in Kiev, it would be a mistake to think the whole city is bi-lingual - the reality is nothing like that, although relatively speaking far more girls speak some English, especially in the places you'll likely end up in.

    The other thing to say is that in the smaller cities (and when I say small, a lot of these places are still sizeable with pops. of 1 million+) you are far more likely to come across some of the crushing poverty that still is all over Ukraine and therefore meet a lot more women who have not been to university or dropped out of school early; the less educated, the less likely they'll speak any other language.

    There is also the general shyness to overcome about trying to get someone who can actually communicate quite well in English, but is really insecure about their abilities, to actually use their language skills. I've found the more Russian I speak (badly!) the more girls I meet who can actually speak a little English. One girl told me she loves to practice her English with foreigners, but won't do it with people who speak no Russian, as it just puts too much onus on her and she doesn't enjoy it. When she is speaking to someone with a little Russian or better, she only wants to talk in English as she knows if she gets stuck the conversation can still carry on. It gives her confidence and, if your Russian/Ukrainian is like mine, it makes her more relaxed that she isn't the only one making a fool of herself. It's hard to stress enough how far a little Russian will get you!

    My personal view is that as Kiev becomes more generally expensive, crowded and price insane for mongering the real joys of punting in Ukraine will be in the other cities, which are years behind. I personally wouldn't travel there without acceptable tourist Russian, but I think the adventurous will find themselves the centre of attention in many of these places and can get laid for free all the time if they're prepared to put in the effort.

  9. #159

    Thanks mate

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy
    JSF - I've visited Luhansk/Lugansk (depends which map you're using and whether you have the Russian/Ukrainian spelling) 3-4 times in the last few weeks, although only for flying short visits related to work to do with the election. My impression was that it was a bit of a dump, although the weather was lousy and the atmosphere quite dirty as they thought they were being screwed out of an election victory. Personally I saw nothing that made me want to go back! I'm sure there is plenty of action around hotels or by asking locals, but the infrastructure for visitors is limited to non-existent. If you speak at least some Russian though, I'm sure you'd find the freebie action plentiful if you can put the time in. Even in a week there you could have a great time, if you put the effort in to setting up dates and chatting to lots of girls.

    In places like Dnepro, Lugansk and Donetsk my impression is that the women are as gorgeous as in Kiev, with far less attitude. They dress quite slutty (no bad thing!), although the do seem to fall into the old EE habit of applying make-up with a shovel; never quite grasp why, when so many are naturally stunning. In any of these places in East Ukraine, a bit of Russian, dressing well, a few gifts of fake D and G/some make-up or beauty produts and a willingness to buy a few drinks and be charming will get you a very, very long way fairly quickly. The freebie action is far simpler and quicker than in Kiev, although there seems to be more confusion between a night of fun and a relationship.
    Thanks mate. That doesn't sound too much fun unless I have ample time on my hands. The lady I know was excellent in service but not a freebie anyway. So will probably skip the place since I wont have that much time on my hands to look for other action. dont mind paying for action but this looks like a lot of hard work. Who knows one day the lady will come back to dubai.

    Thanks for the input mate. Appreciate it.

  10. #158

    Women and Basic English?

    Snowy,
    Thanks for the helpful information.
    I was hoping the girls/young women were studying English at school like their Kiev sisters. Since you seem to be involved in the political/social aspects of Ukraine with your work, would you say that many of them in the smaller cities have some exposure to at least some basic English from school?

  11. #157

    Dnepropetrovsk /Luhansk

    JSF - I've visited Luhansk/Lugansk (depends which map you're using and whether you have the Russian/Ukrainian spelling) 3-4 times in the last few weeks, although only for flying short visits related to work to do with the election. My impression was that it was a bit of a dump, although the weather was lousy and the atmosphere quite dirty as they thought they were being screwed out of an election victory. Personally I saw nothing that made me want to go back! I'm sure there is plenty of action around hotels or by asking locals, but the infrastructure for visitors is limited to non-existent. If you speak at least some Russian though, I'm sure you'd find the freebie action plentiful if you can put the time in. Even in a week there you could have a great time, if you put the effort in to setting up dates and chatting to lots of girls.

    Bayview - sorry, I've just seen your post or I'd have replied earlier. I go to Dnepro quite often, although usually for 1-2 days for work as I like to be in and out as quickly as possible, as I find it boring and can't stand the people I work with there. I'd be interested to know what you made of the place. As far as I know the P4P action is the usual fare around the hotels/casinos and a few instant tochkas that some of the taxi drivers will know about (been offered a couple of times, but never followed up). Freebie action for a foreigner with some Russian is plentiful and pretty easy, although I find the women too clingy, too quickly (although not money grabbing).

    In places like Dnepro, Lugansk and Donetsk my impression is that the women are as gorgeous as in Kiev, with far less attitude. They dress quite slutty (no bad thing!), although the do seem to fall into the old EE habit of applying make-up with a shovel; never quite grasp why, when so many are naturally stunning. In any of these places in East Ukraine, a bit of Russian, dressing well, a few gifts of fake D and G/some make-up or beauty produts and a willingness to buy a few drinks and be charming will get you a very, very long way fairly quickly. The freebie action is far simpler and quicker than in Kiev, although there seems to be more confusion between a night of fun and a relationship.

  12. #156

    Lubansk??

    Hello friends? what is the scene like in Lubansk? (spelling ? ) I have a friend (lady) who has gone back home and she says she lives in Lubansk. Was debating on the merits of visiting that place sometime in the future but not solely to meet up with just one lady. Any action in that area or would it be better to just go to the well know destinations? I have not seen any posts about Lubansk. Went back a little on the forum but did not find the place mentioned.

    Justfun

  13. #155

    Dnepropetrovsk

    Anyone have any nfo or photos of girls in Dnepropetrovsk. I'm going there in a week and was there two months ago and didn't find much action.

  14. #154

    1 week in Lviv

    Last year I stayed 1 week in Lvov.

    I don't remember the name of the newspaper. I bouhgt 5-6 newspapers to find some adds about sex. There were only in one of them, that's the one with many many adds. I think there were only adds.

    But if you read Russian or Ukrainian, it won't be easy.

    Price is 100 Grivnias = 20$ and 4$ more for the man, who brings the girl. That's for the taxi.
    Time : 1 full hour, sex as many times as your can.

    When I called them, I called them in Russian, so I don't know if they will understand you if you speak English.

    I remembered to call a girl that could speak English. When I saw her, I gave her 10 Grivnias for the taxi to go back. No sex that night.

  15. #153

    Infos about Lvov

    I stayed about 1 week in Lvov.

    As I can read Russian, I bought all the newspapers I could find in a kiosks. I don't remember if the writing was in Russian or in Ukrainian, anyway I could find the numbers I needed.

    I made some phone calls and I gave my adress in Russian.

    I got 4 escorts. Price is 100 Grivnias, what is 20$ for 1 hour. A man of the mafia brought me the girls every time.

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