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[Bimbo Boy]

fair enough, generalissimo, but was it really necessary to take away bez's priveleges overnight and make the rest of us wait a day or so for his inspirational input?
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(many times laserated on the petard of bez's corrurep001ing wit but all the better for it!)

my belief is that bez's contributions are 50% of the added value of the fsu forums. take bez out, and i will not bother to read the worthless posts anymore.

[Gergiev]

what i do in my forum is not called censorship, it's called editing, and it is a necessary function and the responsibility of every publisher who wishes to maintain an organized publication.

fair enough, generalissimo, but was it really necessary to take away bez's priveleges overnight and make the rest of us wait a day or so for his inspirational input?

maybe after 10 years of service, the point could have been made to such a titan of the isg in a private message and left at that?

even impostors like myself have their content posted straight away...

vg.

(many times laserated on the petard of bez's corrurep001ing wit but all the better for it!)

[Admin]

hi,

apparently some of you missed an important day in civics class, so let me enlighten you.

"freedom of speech" is the constitutional protection of a citizen's right to speak out against the government, and as such it is a restriction on government activities attempting to curtail this right.

however, this forum is a private enterprise, and as such i cannot be compelled to publish whatever anyone may choose to post, much in the same way as the new york times cannot be compelled to publish every letter you might choose to send to their editor.

what i do in my forum is not called censorship, it's called editing, and it is a necessary function and the responsibility of every publisher who wishes to maintain an organized publication.

thanks,

jackson

[Bez Bezarra]

I detest censorship, par.

I think everyone will agree with that.

Don't forget that, I've been merciless in some of my biting criticisms, where they've been warranted, (and a few times when they weren't and I was just being obtuse).

So after dishing it out, I'd look like a real pussy if I couldn't handle a little taste of my own medicine, though its pretty weird that after 10 years of posting, now I can never post again without being forced to wait around until tomorrow for the ISG censor to approve my content, to make sure he doesn't need to delete the Bad Bez, since the Good Bez is gone forever.

Lesson learned, nothing ever stays the same.

I haven't been posting fotos anyway, so nobody cares what I might want to say. But, that will soon change, as the waiting will soon be over.

Guess I won't be re-upping my membership.

I wouldn't go THAT far!

[Reiner Otto]

I am sorry if I keep posting negative comments about Yalta, but it is the reality. Unfortunately, I have to come to this town every year because I made the mistake of buying an apartment in 2002, when it was the golden age, long gone with no hope of return.

So I have to maintain this apartment on a yearly basis. And every year it gets worth in Yalta. The crowd are more and more hostile towards westerners (may be it is the Yanukovich effect, this region is anti-Europe) and the girls run away from western men like they are carrying the cholera disease.

I have seen scores of gorgeous, model-type, young men, from Italy and Spain and France, get slammed by these Ukrainian and Russian girls. They would not even give them a chance to talk to them.

Now, you rarely see a foreigner in town. Even the Turks and Arabs stopped coming.

On my way back from kazantip I had a stop-over in Yalta end of last week. And I was disappointed, too. Being in Yalta first time 1997, and during the previous 4 years, the quality of girls is going down year over year. Now it was really disgusting. Looks more like a family resort now. No need for a hunter to go there ....

[Caldre]

that anyone can claim your post is offensive and get it deleted, is one thing.

the surprise is that it will also result in your senior posting privileges being permanently revoked without warning or explanation. ....

i detest censorship, par. when based on so-called "hate speech" (which is generally applied to silence criticism of the powerful, you can attack the weak and oppressed as much as you like). guess i won't be re-upping my membership.

[EasyEase]

So I was in Sumy for 3 nights visiting my girlfriend there. I had a great time at a new club called 7th Sky. It is located there near a Hotel called Shafran. The music was very good and I would say the ration of men/women was 1:3 or even 1:4.

I can imaging if I would have been alone there that I could have got aquainted with some of the ladies there. I saw several 8 and 9 girls. Every time my girlfriend went to the ladies room some of the girls would smile at me or ask me something in Russian which I don't understand.

I am not saying go to Sumy, it is the greatest place, but if you should go to Sumy, I would say 7th Sky is the place to go to find some of Sumy's finest girls.

Regards,

EasyEase

[Bez Bezarra]

That anyone can claim your post is offensive and get it deleted, is one thing.

The surprise is that it will also result in your Senior posting privileges being permanently revoked without warning or explanation.

Uman is the most wonderful place on earth. Everyone should go there. Non-mongers, mongers, doesn't make any difference. All people of every race, religion, creed, and disability, should go there. And all people there, of every diversity imaginable, are the very best in all the world, including leaders and influential intellectuals, especially Madonna, who is the purest kindest virgin angel.

[Gergiev]

Bez has a track record of biting irony, but I never found his posts to be insulting. On the contrary. I think he is one of the best informed contributors on the FSU forums.
Regards. B.B.

Yes, Bez was just responding to some sardonic comments made my myself and Uke Boy about girls from Uman.

There was nothing derogatory in his post.

Must have struck some kind of a raw nerve, up there in the rarefied air surrounding Camp Jackson...

[Bimbo Boy]

I was not aware that I attacked anyone, nor did I desire to insult anyone of the Jewish religion. For those who practice the tradition of performing circumcisions or lighting candles on Friday nights, I was merely mentioning that Uman visitors are likely to observe such cultural activities.

If I did so, I extend my whole-hearted apology.

Bez has a track record of biting irony, but I never found his posts to be insulting. On the contrary. I think he is one of the best informed contributors on the FSU forums.

Regards. B.B.

[Gentleman Travel]

I'll be spending time in Lviv/Lvov this September. Looking back through the forum, there's no recent info other than the Truskavets posting. Any help or info will be greatly appreciated. You can PM me.

Thanks.

I was in Lvov in February, check out my report dated February 18.

I wasn't successful, so I don't have any great info for you, other than to say that it seems a lot tougher to meet girls than in Kiev.

If you want to get girls from a strip club, I suggest trying Misto's, but it is some distance out of the city centre. There are a number of other discos and bars in the same complex, but they seemed to be full of local girls dating local boys. Difficult turf for a foreigner, depending on your game.

I did not find a bar where girls go to meet westerners, which is the Nirvana for lazy mongers like me.

Your best bet may be setting up Mamba dates, although even there the pickings seem kind of slim.

Let us know how it turns out!

[Borat69]

is there any juice on zaporozhye? can't seem to find any info on it anywhere, would love to see if anyone passed through and got any info...

[Ivanba]

I'll be spending time in Lviv/Lvov this September. Looking back through the forum, there's no recent info other than the Truskavets posting. Any help or info will be greatly appreciated. You can PM me.

Thanks.

[Latexian2]

Listen up fellow cheap mongers! I want to tell you about a place that has yet to be mentioned on ISG.

There's a little town in Lviv Oblast called Truskavets about two hours by bus south of Lviv. There are direct trains and buses from Kiev as well. The town is famous for it's mineral waters, which are served out of two "buvets" -- big buildings with free water faucets, you just have to bring a cup. The town is a real Soviet resort location, with not much to do besides sit in a cafe or walk around in the parks (it's actually a very pretty location, in the foothills of the Carpathians).

There are over 80 (yes, eighty) hotels, sanitoria, and smaller villas, many of them with Western standard rooms at cheap prices ($30-$50 a night). Although some of them are also quite expensive ($200+). You can easily find these by searching for Truskavets hotels online. You can also get apartments for under $20 a day, see here (http://www.truskavets24.com.ua/).

I'm sure that the various sanitoria and saunas have girls on call, but that's not why I'm writing this report. There is a single big club in the city, called Millenium, it's in one of those standard post-Soviet entertainment complexes that holds bowling alley, a pool hall, a movie theater, cafe, restaurant, etc.

Inside the club (20 hrivnya cover) there is a strip club (another 60 hrivnya). I went just to enjoy some titties (always a good time, especially considering how cheap it is here). It turns out, the place is basically a meat market. Once a few guys show up, all of the girls come out at once topless and sit down. You can then chat them up, buy them a drink if you like (only around $5) and they are basically all available to take home for 500 hrivnya for one hour (about $60). All night is 3000 hrivnya, which isn't a good deal at all, so I recommend just one or two hours.

While that's not cheaper than elsewhere in the provinces, it is one of the few places where you can actually check out a girl before taking her home, to judge her attitude and how you get along with her. Kind of like a mini River Palace with fewer girls but much lower prices. In fact I was wondering why the girls barely spent any time stripping (I had come just for a good strip show) and after asking one she basically said no guys come here just to watch, and they usually only stay a few minutes so they can pick out a girl.

Much better than the call services that bring girls you have yet to see and you don't know what you'll wind up with. Short lap dances are only 20 grivnya. The club opens at 10pm so when I got there for the first hour I was the only guy, and if you came then you would have the pick of the litter.

When I was there there were seven girls and just three guys. The girls ranged from 6 to 9 in looks, and trust me when I say I know what I'm talking about since I've lived in the Russian provinces for six months and Moscow for a few years. Two of the girls were genuine 9's, and most of the rest were 7's and 8's. It was on par if not slightly better than the quality of girls at say, 911 in Moscow. That surprised me, as I've found girls in Western Ukraine to be much more homely (both naturally and in terms of dress) than their Eastern Ukrainian or Russian sisters. But after talking to the girls, most of them are from Eastern Ukraine and come during the summer to make some money. Another plus since they spoke Russian and not Ukrainian like the locals.

The town is very tourist friendly. It's basically a Soviet-style resort out in the woods (and people come thinking mineral water will cure diabetes), so it's mostly older couples and from what I can tell very few Western foreigners. The clubs probably aren't that great, although being able to the one major club (Millenium) and hitting on babes (which I did see) looking for freebies, while always having a backup plan in the next room over in case you fail, is a great setup. Add in that you can easily get a room in a villa within short walking distance to the club and it's a killer combination.

The tourist infrastructure is quite good, and I think a monger who doesn't have any Ukrainian would actually do okay here (unlike nearly all other small Ukrainian cities). And since it's dirt cheap (I'd guess half the price of Kiev), you can have a good time with hotel, a girl a day, and some time in cafes/restaurants/etc. for probably about $100-$150 a day if you are pinching pennies, or $150-$200 a day if you aren't so careful. Of course the sky is the limit if you stay in the better hotels and eat only in the nice restaurants.

There's hardly anything to do or see (although Lviv is close) so I think after a couple days it would get boring, unless you are a fan of mudbaths, mineral waters, and massages.

A very good deal all around, and I think it might make an interesting destination for mongers that find Kiev too expensive, Odessa full of money *****s, and who don't feel ready to just go off to some random industrial Ukrainian town. I would definitely recommend Truskavets as an interesting alternative for a couple days.

[Markharding]

I am sorry if I keep posting negative comments about Yalta, but it is the reality. Unfortunately, I have to come to this town every year because I made the mistake of buying an apartment in 2002, when it was the golden age, long gone with no hope of return.

So I have to maintain this apartment on a yearly basis. And every year it gets worth in Yalta. The crowd are more and more hostile towards westerners (may be it is the Yanukovich effect, this region is anti-Europe) and the girls run away from western men like they are carrying the cholera disease.

I have seen scores of gorgeous, model-type, young men, from Italy and Spain and France, get slammed by these Ukrainian and Russian girls. They would not even give them a chance to talk to them.

Now, you rarely see a foreigner in town. Even the Turks and Arabs stopped coming.