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[Bez Bezarra]

Your perspectives are a little murky.

Bringing up the subject of sponsoring BEFORE you meet them, works less well than waiting to meet and quietly bringing it up over a cup of tea in a cafe. And it also has to do with the way you bring it up, discussing how difficult things are for her and her family, and how you have so much more than you really will ever need, except for how badly you need her to help you with your feelings of loneliness, and that you don't want a bad girl, you want her because she's a good girl.

And all that doesn't do a bit of good either, for many of the really hot ones. But other times it does. Because while their pride to tough it out on their own is the side they portray to any stranger they don't yet know, once you give them a chance to know you a bit, then the underlying desire to rise above the economic crisis will out, as they come to see you as a benevolent benefactor and pussy licker combo.

Anyway, for the ones that still won't budge, then you know you've got your work cut out for you, but you'll use the 3 strikes rule, unless you become a real local with unlimited time to invest.

With one very hot dyev, I really thought our 3rd date was gonna end up without sex. Even though the first date was just a five minute walk together as we met on the main street while she was on her way to get the bus home, so I don't know if that one counted as a true opportunity. But at the 3rd meeting, in my flat, when after some tea and talking, she basically said "No, not yet, sex next time, not today", I put on an act like it was now or never, like maybe my company would call me back to Moscow, bla bla bla. It took about 10 minutes of filling her head with worries about me, and she relented and the fireworks began. Wow. Was I happy I put on such an act! Normally I'd just send her away, if she passed up the chance to sit on my face, and start a new project. But I figured, ah, what the hell, just keep at it, and it worked.

Taxi drivers can help, but not all the time. Just depends on who they know. Most will try to help, even if they only know where hookers hang around. Once in a while, one will have a very good connection. That's the one you want, without him, you'd be very unlikely to find that special mamachka.

[Uphigh]

Well boys, I ended up in Nikolaev again for some days. No pics unfortunately. Bez, I will try to do better on that, you raise a fair point, especially after all the fotos you've provided.

Some context: I'm a late 30's American. I speak a bit of Russian, not great, but enough to communicate basic concepts. I did standard P4P twice, but my main emphasis was searching for short term sponsorettes and freebies based on advance emailing and previous stays in the area.

The standard P4P: When passing through before I have found that in this small city it seems tough to find P4P using newspaper ads or other ads. I have never tried talking to taxi drivers. I have found that one good way is to go to the saunas. They've had girls every time I've asked for one, and often pretty good ones. In the past I've paid around 250 UA to rent the sauna, and 300 UA including taxi for the girl. The girls are in general reluctant for safety reasons to arrange a second meeting that's at you apartment, rather than at the sauna. This time I paid 500 UA for girl 1 and 350 UA a different day for girl 2. Long story short it worked out for them to come to the apartment, so there were no extra costs, and taxi money is included in those numbers. As you might expect, girl 1 was better looking than girl 2. I would give girl 1 a 7 in looks and girl 2 a 5. 75. Both had excellent attitudes and seemed to enjoy the sex. Since I didn't delve deeply into the P4P this time, I can't say whether these are good prices or bad prices, but I suspect that most P4P in Nikolaev would fall in the the 350-500 UA range (all prices are for an hour). I really don't think you'd pay more. It looks like we can say that the provinces are significantly cheaper than Kiev or Odessa.

The short-term sponsorettes (or lack thereof): Again, Nikolaev is a small city. There are only 100 or so girls on Mamba whose profiles state that they are looking for a sponsor. I emailed most of them. In a nutshell, one materialized who was super sweet and really keen and quite happy to have sex for 250UA in "help" per instance, and stay for hours, but she didn't have the greatest body. I stopped after a couple of times, because I figured why come all this way to do something I can do in the States, I. E. Get it on with a girl with a so-so figure. Other than her, two cuter ones met me, but couldn't be convinced to have sex over the short time I was there, and eveyone else was a succession of "I'm busy, maybe tomorrow" etc. Emails. I find that to a greater extent than North American women Ukrainian girls never say no, even when the answer is no, they just say sure, but tomorrow, or they say yes, and then don't do the thing they've said yes about. I'm not sure what to think about the short term sponsoring, my best guess is that in a bigger city with more time the potential should be pretty good. I did by the way email quite a few non-sponsor girls and ask if they were interested in sponsorship. A few wrote back angry replies, but the odd one said yes, or yes I know someone. I definitely did not get the feeling that girls needed money badly and were coming out of the woodwork for financial help. I think some of them have very low incomes, but we don't seem to be seeing the eagerness for sponsorship that one would hope for. Again, I think with more time the potential for every kind of action in Ukraine is big, and we're seeing that from some of the posters who are there full time (like freebie Sevman's pics & reports for example).

The freebies: did fairly well by hooking up with one really nice one for a few days, but this was for sure a result of knowing the area and having some basic Russian skills. Not to say that a guy can't do well as a tourist, some guys seem to, but for me it's taken some local experience to get into the groove.

I hope that's helpful guys. Thanks to everyone who has been posting good reports on the boards for the FSU countries. I'm looking forward to my next swing thorough the area, and hopefully getting some pics too.

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[SlutLover]

Kazantip parties? KaZantip is at the other end of the Crimea, close to the villages of Popovka and Mirny, which themselves are close to Yevpatoriya.
There is the Kazantip peninsula but the last time the Kazantip festival was held there was sometime in the 1990s.

Mainly useful during summer time only.
As a base for Kazantip parties with some holiday villages around.
But can't be compared with staying in places between Yalta and Feodosia.
Kerch is trying to get visitors from southern part of Russia but they prefer their own places along eastern coast of Black Sea like Anapa, Gelendzik, Tuapse, Sochi.

[Bez Bezarra]

He's the only one who can.

The wrestling match is between Tara Titsoff and Hu Bitchakokoff.

[Cruiser D]

Is this some sort of Russia girl jello wrestling league?

Mr. Apparatchik!

If you wouldn't mind, at your leisure, please draw on your encyclopedic wealth of experiences and mysterious business travels across the vastness of the motherland to compare and contrast these pairs of destinations from a strictly mongering point of view.

1. Dnipropretrovs'k VERSUS Donets'k?

2. Voronezh VERSUS Volgograd?

3. Rostov-na-Donu VERSUS Samara?

4. Kazan VERSUS Ufa?

5. Chelyabins'k VERSUS Omsk?

and finally

6. Yekaterinaberg VERSUS Novosibirs'k?

I might even remember to take a photo or two of some hideous green sofas, and post them on ISG.

[CallSign Papa]

Ukrainian friend of mine got married at the ZAGS in Cherkassy just prior to xmas and I went along to experience my 3rd (but best ukrainian wedding).

For information's sake, Cherkassy is about 160 km south of Kiev and pretty easy to get to by car. I'm not sure you'd call it a city although there are close to half a million people there apparently.

It's a pretty grey place but there were a few good bars there. The main thoroughfare is nothing to write home about either, few shops and the obligatory statue of comrade lenin. From what I can gather absolutely nothing in the way of mongering, but plenty in the way of pretty young dyevs hitting the beers hard on a weekend.

We ended up in a bar called Bierstube after the wedding meal, which had a club next to it. The wedding itself was phenomenal fun, and because the missus was still at home visiting her folks, it gave me latitude to talk to the local ladies.

The girl I woke up who initially said she was 25 later admitted to being 29 and having a 7 year old son at home, but despite us both waking up with raging hangovers, we managed to have a pretty decent time in the shower.

My advice, if you want to hook up with girls for free, get yourself near a wedding party!

[Uke Boy]

Happy New Year, guys,

Now tell me what this discussion of Russian cities, Georgians and and other Caucasus ladies have to do with "Other Areas" in the Ukraine forum?????

On topic, please since all of this is a bit too far and removed from Donetsk or Uzhgorod.

[Leeuwen]

Further, its not got to do with safety, or safe heavens, or safe havens, and you DO have it backwards, it has EVERYTHING to do with financially needy students.

Great, but I still prefer to stay out of Grozny, and other unstable towns of FSU. Besides, I don't like the dark and hairy type there anyway. Obviously, my safety concerns were limited to the most crime and violance plagued provincial towns (or cities!), i.e., shitholes not matter what. Hence, how would rate Voronezh vs. Donetsk vs. Kazan vs. Yekaterinaberg...?

Btw, sure, I misspelled "haven".

Comparing Stalingrad with Volgograd is like comparing what you ate 2 days ago with the loaf you pinched into the toilet this morning, its the same thing. What kind of nonsense are you talking about?

Haha, exactly what I meant. Thought for instance Rostov could be Samara under new name, which demonstrates my ignorance.

[Doctor_Skank]

And many Kavkaz women are visual Viagra. If you like them you should make a side-trip to the source !

I've had excellent luck with Kavkaz women in the last 6 months or so.

Not sure why, because previously I'd thought them rather difficult to crack, even though I've always been attracted to them.

In bed I've found them to be passionate like latinas, but have the same "punish me" mentality that many Russian women have.

It's a volatile combination and afterwards my back has always been utterly destroyed with claw marks.

No real reason for me to head to Georgia other than curiousity... we'll see if I indeed check out the source... )

By the way... is it like western ukraine where girls don't like to speak Russian?

Or are Georgians comfortable with either Russian or English? Despite the political tensions, I would assume that one gets farther with Russian due to the lack of English knowledge.

[Bez Bezarra]

Bez!

I was about to ask you, but hesitated, knowing people like keeping safe heavens secret.

Somehow you picked a comparision list of towns that disarms an average monger.

Like asking somone to compare Stalingrad with Volgograd. Tricky.

Which towns do you recommend for an average experienced monger, related to crime and distance from Moscow.

Just kidding. Not.

Really now, PEOPLE don't like keeping their favorite places a secret, ONLY I DO. And I don't actually LIKE doing that, I simply do it to aggravate certain members.

Further, its not got to do with safety, or safe heavens, or safe havens, and you DO have it backwards, it has EVERYTHING to do with financially needy students. Jesus man, THEY are the Candy in Candyland! All it takes is just one or two good girls gone wild to make the long journey a smashing success.

Crime??? Are you on a crack binge to be so paranoid??

Distance from Moscow?? Other than the longest haul to Novosibirsk, which is still only a 5 or 6 hour flight, I believe even Omsk is less than 4 hours, and all the rest are 2 to 3 hour flights, so who cares about distance from Moscow. Or are you planning to drive?? Like Tim Oliphant in Hitman? With the Putin's surgically enhanced double's bought and paid for prostitute in the boot of your car? Planning on any deadly swordplay with your assassin counterparts in empty train cars? You gonna dive off the 6th floor balcony of your hotel room into the river after detonating your laptop explosive device with Interpol and the FSB on your heels?

Look Lee, there's NOTHING about my list that should disarm a monger! Average monger, mega-monger, or mini-me monger, you're only disarming yourself! When you SHOULD be ARMING yourself, with viagra, lube, condoms, and vibrators! They are all places that ANY of us would be not only comfortable, but in the midst of great adventures. Maybe not in sub-zero snowdrifts in a February blizzard, but imagine a warm sunny Sunday in mid-May on Ploschat Lenina, with an endless procession of short skirts blowing around in the breeze. You'd literally need to wear goggles to keep your eyeballs from shooting out of their sockets like Jim Carrey's did in the movie The Mask. Go on and laugh, but I am completely serious!

And get another thing straight, they are not TOWNS. The places I listed are all near-to or plus 1 million large cities. If you want towns, go to some real God forsaken shit holes like Elektrostal, or Pikolevo, or Tomolino, or even better, go to Dzherzinsk, so polluted that the fish they catch out of the Oka river have 3 heads!

Comparing Stalingrad with Volgograd is like comparing what you ate 2 days ago with the loaf you pinched into the toilet this morning, its the same thing. What kind of nonsense are you talking about?

Let's just wait for Kuritsa to work this all out, in his time.

Ah-ite?

[Leeuwen]

1. Dnipropretrovs'k VERSUS Donets'k?

2. Voronezh VERSUS Volgograd?

3. Rostov-na-Donu VERSUS Samara?

4. Kazan VERSUS Ufa?

5. Chelyabins'k VERSUS Omsk?

and finally

6. Yekaterinaberg VERSUS Novosibirs'k?

Good point Bez! Actually I was about to ask you this question before, but hesitated, knowing people like keeping safe heavens secret. Somehow you picked a comparision list of towns that disarms an average monger. Like asking somone to compare Stalingrad with Volgograd. Tricky questions from the uncrowned 3xp3rt on former CCCP.
So, asking you straightforwardly - Which provincial town, or towns, do you recommend for an average experienced monger? As you probably already guessed, the question is not related to number of financially troubled students, but to overall rating, crime and distance from Moscow included.

[CallSign Papa]

Bez Bezarra,

Thanks, spring-time in Minsk is the plan!

[Bez Bezarra]

I really appreciate Tbilisi.

That georgian baked cheese inside the warm flatbread stuff is seriously yummy, as is the heavily seasoned medium rare lamb, far and away better than anything to eat in russia, except the ikra and the hot manda.

[Jojosun]

Kaliningrad is much better than Minsk.

How I can tell?

From direct experience.

Anyone interested in belarus girls don't worry. There's plenty of them in Kaliningrad and they are more slutty than their Minsk counterparts.

Kaliningrad, would be a much better choice for me than Minsk.

How I can tell?.

Been to Minsk 2 yrs ago, and stayed at planeta hotel.

Picked up 2 really lovely students in west World club, but unfortunately they weren't hookers, and I didn't have the time to conclude things to the ultimate.

Hookers in the hotel and other hotels, weren't real lookers, and were quoting the magic figure of $100 Ph.

But the thing is, what wins a place for me at the end of the day from aP4P

Choice, is the cost of getting there from London.

With Minsk, I had to catch a budget flight to Kaunas in Lithuania, then on a bus to Vilinus, stay there a night, or 2, then by bus for7 hours to Minsk.

On the return Journey it involved 2 stays in vilinus And Kaunas.

And I wasn't that impressed by Lithuania.

Kaliningrad, on the other hand, would be much Much cheaper choice to do from London.

A flight can cost as little as $50 return to Gdansk Poland, and then it is a short hop on the bus to Kaliningrad.

So even if Kaliningrad is a shit hole from a p4p point of view, then Gdansk would definetly deliever lovely pussies at 150 zloty PH and up.

[Prosal]

A bit worried things would be more difficult on their home court with "big brother" literally watching over them. Has that been your experience?

Yeah, that's what immediatly strikes in Tbilisi. Kavkaz women are educated in a rather strict and traditional environment and behave accordingly. I have very little experience here (scored just one girl, but met many of her friends) but I find them rather conservative. Those who have BFs obviously don't cheat as russian or ukrainian girls do. The good side is that they seem loyal, reliable and honest. Franckly, if I was seaching a wife, I'd choose one of this genealogy.

Anyhow, those Caucasus countries are by no means a "balls out" mongering destination, but I really appreciate Tbilisi though. And many Kavkaz women are visual Viagra. If you like them you should make a side-trip to the source !