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[My Secret Life]

Bad news for card fans: British Telecom already blocks the numbers they provide which are found on girly cards and moves are afoot to get other service providers to do the same. http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/5948858?source=Evening%20Standard refers. Oddly, a survey not long ago found that no-one was particularly bothered by the cards, counter-intuitive as it may seem.

You have no idea how much "research" I've done over girl-compatible B&Bs in KX and Paddington. It's excruciatingly hard to find a place where reception isn't permanently staffed, and often in KX the manager will pop out to see who's coming in when he hears the door. And I had to leave one particular B&B in KX where I'd paid for a double room and the manager saw I was in the company of a "lady of negotiable affections". Haven't tried that since. Perhaps Victoria is the way forward.

I suppose I was hoping for the name of a big hotel like KX Travel Inn where you can get in all the time with no bother. At some places, e.g. KX Holiday Inn, reception is usually deserted in the evenings, but I'd rather not face a risk.

Kissing? Haven't researched it, but I'd expect a blanket 'no' if I asked an agency in advance. Usually osculation (i.e. kissing. Was Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day recently) only occurs after I've weaved my magic, but recent comments indicate that asking is definitely worth trying.

And why do I like upmarket lodgings and downmarket vadge? Basically, drugs. Also, I've perused the agency websites mentioned here and although many of the girls are very nice, you can do just as well on a good day at my favourite mainline railway station.

[OwnaFord1994]

Secret life, your analogy is excellent, both are for tourists. But why would one go to a tourist 'attraction' twice? In addition, you only get the lower end of the market, with a not so good tourist price. In the old days, before the age of the telephone cards, the sign are rather big, fixed and obvious. I remembered that a very nice girl that I saw two days in a row, had a bunch of fresh flowers hanging by the street entrance everyday.

If you get a room for 80, I don't understand what you mean by lower end of the market. I guess 60 still gives you a good fuck in any flat in London, even with quite attractive girls if you can locate them.

Many B&B in areas like King Cross, Victoria, and Earl's Court are very cheap, owned or manned by Asians (Indian, Pakistani). If you pay for two people, I don't see why they will give you problems. Especially near those streets where most of the flats have one or more working girls. Some give you keys to the main door, because they lock the door and don't have people around later in the evening. Just don't stay for breakfast together, when there are a lot of tourist around and the owner's daughter may be serving the food.

If you pay 300 GBP, I don't see why they wouldn't kiss. Just ask the agency and the girl first. They always ask the girl to call you back first and talk before you deciding, irrespective of the price.

If the south east price is still 120, the london price is about 150, or twice the full service you pay for the incall girls in flats. For this agency price, most girls do, but perhaps not for everyone they see. One of the exception that don't kiss is an Irish girl from California, hiding in some small town in summer to get through college without running into people who may know her or recognize her in the future. Just ask the agency. But I doubt if they know that for sure. So just ask the girls. If the agency don't automatically ask the girl to call you, don' t try that agency. Even the measurements from the agents mouth and from the girls mouth are slightly different. But even if the girl promise you they will kiss, it doesn't mean much. A kiss without passion or chemistry is not a kiss anymore. Once I asked the girl. She hesitated but said yes. When we met, she said no tongue. I only started with only light lips. We end up with tongue in mouth all the time, she started it.

But the way, I never took the underground in USA. The tube in London is OK but not the ones in East london near Dockland. Not that they are dangerous or something, just a totally different kind of world compared to the other lines in London. Tourist in the Dockland hotels often take a taxi to the London Tower tube station instead of to the nearest East London station.

[My Secret Life]

I've had a look at older postings and there are quite a few agencies to try. One question for the assembled multitudes: where can you go with your girl if she's from the lower end of the market? The Travel Inn in Kings Cross is great, because you can get in from the car park and avoid reception. They say they have floor patrols but I've never bumped into them. There are some self-catering flats in Victoria which were GBP80/night the last time I looked, which I hope to try. Any other suggestions?

[My Secret Life]

I thought it was a bit dense for Ownaford to ask if there were still "Model" notices in Soho. It's a bit like asking if there are still ravens at the Tower of London.

Aldgate is intriguing. Will try to slake my lust there sometime.

[Merlin Magician]

Ownaford,

Those little cardboard signs are still there. Last time through Soho, (May) there was no change. Same little signs, same old street hustler scumbags working the foolish and ignorant on the street. Get on Meard St and walk north or on Peter St and walk north from Berwick.

Perhaps you went through at 7:00 AM? Very rare to find signs out before noon to 2:00 PM.

Yes City Dude, Old Montague by Aldgate underground station is OK, from there toward the Ten Bells Pub, but lots of nosey homeless transient panhandlers. Problem is the girls are about the same skanky quality you find around King's Cross. Occasionally, a jewel will pop up, usually one who is trying to get her rent paid. I call em "once a monthers."

[Etaoin2003]

Originally posted by ownaford1994
are you sure the "Models" sign are still there?

The signs are discrete, sometimes just a 3x5 card, sometimes a full sheet of paper taped to the wall inside an open doorway. You have to kind of look around the corner.

There are plenty of walkups in the Peter Street area (near the Raymond theater), but the ambiance is skanky, to say the least. Some of the girls are, too.

They're much nicer on Lisle Street, a few blocks away, very close to Leicester Square.

Lisle is right behind the Hippodrome and the Prince of Wales theater. On the side of Lisle Street toward Chinatown there are three or four open doors leading to stairways. Typically there are two or three apartments upstairs.

When you get upstairs the girl will have a card with prices all nicely written out.

I didn't see a lot of the phone box cards in the area except for transvestites.

[My Secret Life]

A failure, huh? As I said, 18-2something Girls had good quality chuff, but street girls were more "accommodating". There ARE sometimes some very good looking girls down Kings Cross, and quite frankly their drug habits are a plus. Live a little! If you know agencies whose girls do kissing etc., please do tell. And a hint of where to look would be appreciated, too.

The little cards were everywhere last time I looked, but they tend to be cleaned up on Sunday mornings. Often have a woken of a Sunday with a dongle so big you'd want to salute it, and although the runners replace the cards at an admirable rate, choice is rather limited.

Incidentally, there are a couple of good massage parlous in SE London: Madonna's on Lewisham Way and some place in Blackfen, a few doors down from the Barclays Bank that was raided a few years back - I remember because one of the villians had an Uzi or suchlike.

[OwnaFord1994]

Soho: are you sure the "Models" sign are still there? It was there some ten years ago, before every telephone booth in London was full of cards. In those days you can find some beautiful young girls there with good service. Since then I must had been strolling pass but I didn't notice any signs anymore. If there are still signs, the property owners or other occupiers must be very desperate to charge for that or tolerate that. You can have better flats anywhere.

Secret Life: you agency experience is a failure. That means don't look at What's on. GBP 300 you can opt for porn star type experience - everything, or very attractive girls at their prime kissing you like boy friend and cum with you. 150 for pretty young white girl - same thing here, kissing you like boy friend and cum with you. That's what they do, since they listen to their GP's and only do safe sex, hard to get oral without. The price is for British white girls. For eastern europeans better girls for the same price. Black girls and asian girls are cheaper. Outside of London, still 120 for attractive white girls with day jobs. Yes, some girls don't kiss, or they don't kiss everybody, but you can ask the agent first, or you can ask the girl personally when you talk to her on the phone.

[CityDude]

Originally posted by What Sure Flava
Hi Merlin,

Just wanted to know about the wg's in Brick lane area. You wrote in one of your posts that you've come across Indian / asian girls in the area. When would be the best time to have a look around? ......

I would avoid Brick Lane (for WG or food) If you want South Asians, try some agencies - albiet expensive, but reliable. I remember sirens used to have a couple. Look around at ********* on who (the SP) are recommended.

[William Hauger]

Hi

There have been several reports about the Kings Cross area, this is the lowest quality SW you can find in London. The SW s here are all drug addicts or have some other addiction. If good looks is no object it is ok, but most of these girls are beyond ugly and are not to be trusted. Another thing is that the police have zero tolerance for prostitution in this area due to complaints from the public.

Go instead to Brick lane area or Old Montague Street, near Aldgate(East London)

Good hunting

William

[My Secret Life]

I left one thing out of my recent epic: agencies. I think the best place to find them is What's on in London. There's one that does bleck wimmin, it was about GBP200/hour and the girls were realy nice, black as hell and they kissed at least sometimes (it's important to me, OK).

I tried some girls at GBP300 a pop. There was an agency based in Kensington or somewhere posh, called 18-23 Girls or similar. If you go to the office you can peruse a brochure at a charge. The one I ended up with was 18 and v. pretty, but no face was sucked. I tried an oriental at the same price from another agency. She was 23 but said she was 18, and she was very pretty but had horrid stretch marks. Should have got me to massage oil into your belly when you were with child, dear.

There's an independent who describes herself a "Navajo indian". She's really from Nigeria and she likes her food a bit much for her own good, ie she was FAT, dammit! I mean slap the thighs and ride the ripples. After you fuck her you roll over twice and you're still on top of the *****. To top it off, I was with her in a cheapo Paddington B&B. She 'phoned someone on her mobile and ended up shouting at whoever was at the other end - in a tiny hotel at midnight.

The moral of the story? For GBP300 on the streets of Kings Cross or Notting Hill you can get a girl who isn't as well dressed but is just as pretty, and you can also afford a room for the night, loadsa drugs, BBBJ, BB, get ripped off the first time you try it and you'll still have change.

[What Sure Flava]

Hi Merlin,

Just wanted to know about the wg's in Brick lane area. You wrote in one of your posts that you've come across Indian / asian girls in the area. When would be the best time to have a look around? ie around 7-8pm or later. Also does there seem to be more activity on certain days, ie nearer weekends? Is there anything I should watch out for as I've never punted in London. (apart from the obvious ;-))

I was recently in Manchester and had a look around the Cheetham Hill / Picadilly area, there were a fair few girls out but didnt come across any ethnic variety.

Comments appreciated :-)

[My Secret Life]

i’ve paid for sex in six countries and tried a few of london’s red light districts, so i’d like to share my knowledge. i can’t exactly do this anywhere else – i used to have a friend who was into the same thing, and even he lamented, “do all your stories involve drugs or prostitutes?” (the answer was, well, yes, the interesting ones, anyway). here goes:

my fave hunting ground is kings cross. sometimes you find only police or god people, but usually there are some spiffing girls. the really young ones, 20 or younger, are best avoided ‘cos rumour has it they aren’t honest, and they don’t look it either. i’m not keen on knee tremblers, so i prefer to find a b&b on macdonald square opposite the station. a couple don’t mind wgs – the manager has taken the girl off me, twice, when i’d finished. i couldn’t currently name one such b&b since the manager of the one i used to frequent went back to greece and i don’t know how tolerant is his successor. sometimes the girl will know where to go. prices are low, they will usually kiss or do owo for a bit extra, and as they’re almost all into hard drugs, they can get some for you, too. yippee! being a major railway station it’s all too easy to be seen by people you work with. i resolved the problem by only working outside the uk, but if that option isn’t open to you, i suppose you’ll be fine if you only go late at night, and there’s no problem at all if you’re just a tourist.

these days i make it a rule to never go back to the girl’s place. quite a few times it’s worked out, but sometimes it really, really hasn’t. ofttimes the girl said she lived alone and when you get there, there’s some black guy. “oh,, him?” says she, “that’s just leroy…”. once i didn’t get the hour i paid for because we were in the room with the television and “leroy gets a bit funny without his television”. although, that said, leroy gave me a lift to the station afterwards. and the girl was his wife. i’ve had worse experiences than that but you can guess the details.

sadly, risk can only be minimised, never eliminated. you check beforehand that the girl will have a shower, that’s it’s ok to give her a massage with oil and that there’s no charge on top of what’s agreed, and then she’ll go back on what she said. or she’ll just get up and leave, and you’re left with none of your money and all of your chang chi (i.e. sexual energy; it’s a taoist concept).

an aside: these ladies are a great way to learn massage. i mean, these days wgs ask me how it’s done. i once had a thai girl who said over and over, “you massage teacher!” and she let me do it sans-johnny, which obviously wasn’t something to which she was accustomed. i can generally elicit an orgasm so long as the woman doesn’t mind what she’s doing. you can spot a real orgasm from the rapid breathing, the little jerky movements she does or the fact that she gets wet at exactly the right moment, or if she’s drenched in sweat or out-of-breath afterwards. i shit you not.

sussex gardens in paddington is quite good. the street is entirely made up of b&bs, many of which don’t have a permanently manned reception, although it takes a while to find one with vacancies and if detected you’ll never be able to go back to the same place again. the girls there, alas, don’t always do kissing and hard drugs aren’t readily available, but the quality is good and i’ve always found them to be honest.

i tried commercial street, looking the place over many a time and doing the business once. there’s sometimes been some v. nice chuff but not one girl i asked ever had a room to go to, and it’s a bit out of the way – gbp10 by taxi from kx, which is better in all respects apart from being clocked by co-workers.

i have some experience of westbourne park grove in notting hill. there’s rarely any action before 11pm and there are no b&bs, but there are some good girls there, they’re always crackheads and the stuff is all-too-easy to get hold of.

i’ve tried quite a few massage parlours, my favourites being the one next to mornington crescent tube and the one down the road from the kings cross holiday inn. the same girls work in both. kissing is unlikely to occur, owo has been known to happen, and i patronise them if i don’t mind these limitations or if i’m not feeling brave enough to try street trade.

soho? at least you know what you’re getting with up-the-stairs models, although they’ll charge extra to let you lick the holy of holies if they allow it at all and there’s only one place with a shower. it’s at number 2, the lady is lena and pretty she is not. and she has what looks like a third nipple (she told me it wasn’t, but that’s what it looked like). kissing is almost unheard-of. there are usually some girls hanging around walker’s court, some of whom i wouldn’t touch with a barge-pole but i’ve talked to some who were nice and i’d take one with me if i had a place to go. per para 3, i wouldn’t go back to her place. i once ventured into a clip joint at age 17. the police turned up with some arab guy who’d been fleeced entirely legally, and i made myself scarce having lost only gbp20, which was worth it for the anecdote.

i’ve only ever been to shepherd’s bush once, looking for monica coghlan’s comadres. it’s just soho writ small – a couple of stairways to heaven and that’s it, no pedestrian chuff.

i haven’t tried streatham because i don’t think i’d come out alive. however i will be trying the other places mentioned here.

the rest of the uk? glasgow girls are generally ug-lee, edinburgh girls are sometimes nice but never as good as london. all the edinburgh massage parlour girls used to kiss back in 1998 but this was no longer the case when i visited recently. i tried bradford back in 1993 but my knowledge is way out-of-date. i once went to a house of ill repute in bristol where the lady was almost 20, devastatingly attractive and she kissed enthusiastically.

some other posters have commented on other parts of the world, so my summary follows. amsterdam is actually the worst. the girls can be a+ looking but they don’t let you do anything interesting at all, and i’m not talking about bb or owo. the girls in the so-called discotheques of luxembourg were very pretty, but back in 1998 the street trade was all unconvincing transvestites or non-pretty black wimmin who put on heavy make-up to make their faces paler – michael jackson syndrome.

australia is great. canberra keeps all its establishments in fishwyck in the middle of nowhere but the girls who did out-calls were not that expensive and sometimes very pretty indeed., and they usually sucked face. but you can’t make a booking on a mobile ‘phone – you need a land-line. sydney is as good as it gets. kings cross has hordes of girls and it’s eminently easy to get a room. kissing transpired. owo and bb have been known to happen, and i saw a couple of girls with kaposi’s sarcoma to prove it (i still did it, just not with those ones). kings cross in sydney has one problem in common with it’s london namesake: it’s restaurants etc make it very popular with normophiles, and you will be seen by people you work with (i was actually working for a religious organisation at the time. it was a bit of a downer). i eventually realised the trick was not to go to kings cross road itself, but to the road perpendicular to it, where there are loads of girls and rooms, and no colleagues. the only other drawback to sydney, and it’s a small one, is that although the rooms always had access to a shower, there would sometimes be no towel or soap, and you really need to get the massage oil off you to avoid funny looks on your way home. cannabis was instantly available, so long as the coffee shop hadn’t been raided recently. there was one particular spot that was popular with transexuals, should you wish to find out where your prostate is.

i did a spell in berne, switzerland. there were “nightclubs” that were fairly pricey but they took amex so i didn’t care. the girls were sometimes great, but they didn’t kiss and there was only a couch on which to make the beast with two backs. a friend procured a russian lady and actually went out with her for a few weeks, but it didn’t last because he worked during the day and she worked at night. some of the street trade was good and drugs of all kinds were all over the place.

finally, germany: cologne’s r-l-d is made up of two streets, one of which is eintrachstrasse and the other adjoins it and has a globus supermarket. there was usually no street trade, and what there was was mostly made up of one woman, and she wasn’t that pretty. there is a knocking-shop on eintrachstrasse where the girls were nice looking but not in the least adventurous. horror of horrors, it closed at 21:30. there are four pubs where you can get a girl and take her to a “pension”, i.e. a goose-stepping b&b. the pensions were clean as can be and had no problem with wgs. one of the pubs - they call them lokals - specialised in desirable english-speaking african wimmin. the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice.

i also have some familiarity with stuttgart. there was one obvious knocking shop with four floors, full of the african wimmin cologne turned down. elsewhere, you had these pub-type places where a lady would take you to a room with a couch (never a bed) and get her tits out for the lad. you get manual relief and that’s all. as for street trade, some of the ladies “would do” but the only really pretty one was a 21 yo called andrea who didn't kiss and kept her socks on. and i feel a woman isn’t truly nekkid if she keeps her socks on. but her english was flawless. cannabis wasn’t available in the r-l-d. the best place to score was the railway station. i asked a complete stranger whom i guessed was dodgy because he was mediterranean looking and standing around on his own. he took me to a kebab shop, i gave him some cash and he came back with the goods when he could easily have done a runner. nice man.

here endeth.

[Merlin Magician]

In reading *****seekers post, I was reminded and still laugh about a long ago post in this forum about a guy who went through the very same thing. Only he was savvy enough to buzz toward the front door and he managed to grab the absent receptionist's purse on the way out. He was 400 quid richer for the experience and he managed to get way ahead of the goons. Just a case of all the right pieces of the puzzle falling in place at the right time.

I still say the Soho coppers are on the take. I know of one street cop whose old lady drives a Jag Vanden Plas. Cops whose wifeys don't work also can't afford Jags. Get real.

[WhoreSeeker]

Dear All

First time I was in Soho I got suckered, that was before the days of the WSG, so I didn't have the great advice posted here. I was enticed by a girl standing outside a door way. She offered the world and out of curiosity I went down to her bar. I got real nervous when they asked me to buy the girl a drink. I asked for the menu and saw the ridiculous charges for drinks. At this point I slipped up by agreeing to sit with the girl in a cubicle. We had small talk for a few minutes and I popped the question, "how much for sex?" She said I had to go upstairs and another woman would do it for £100. I just sensed I was being taken for a ride and decided to get out. The woman behind the bar said I had to pay £200 for the girls company!! At this point there was a gorilla standing next to me telling me to pay the lady. I only had £20 and after some argument I gave them this and left. I was in 2 minds as to whether to give them my £20 or just walk out but I figured paying the £20 was preferable to finding out what had happened if I just pushed past the gorilla standing at the door. Since then I have heard many stories about how guys got stung in these places, or worse, they got roughed up. I was watching a documentary once about policing in Soho, a guy was complaining to some police outside a clip joint that had just ripped him off, the police pointed to a small sign outside the club with prices in small print on it and told him they had done nothing illegal. I think it is totally f*cked up the way this is allowed to go on.

I cannot re-iterate more what Merlin says. Only last week I was walking through Soho and a girl approached me and put her arm around mine and asked "do you wanna come with me for sex baby, it's real cheap". I also clocked the 2 black guys she was talking to just before talking to me, both of whom were now following behind. I told her I wasn't interested and she eventually gave up. A few years ago I agreed to go with a streetgirl in Soho and she took me to a rather posh looking address (I was expecting something seedier), she rang the bell and asked for money. I realised she was taking me for a sucker and walked off. She followed and got angry but i told her to f*ck off or I would get the police and that was the end of it.

Soho is still IMHO the cheapest and safest place to have sex in London. I know this has been said before but let me say it again, all you have to do is look for doorways with signs that say MODEL. Go up the stairs and there may be 2 or 3 flats. Knock on the door and an old lady will answer. She will take you into a bedroom, or waiting room if the girl is busy, the girl will come in and you can talk prices. If your not interested then you can just leave and the girl won't be annoyed. I haven't been using Soho for a while but I think prices are about £25 or higher for S+F and a £1 tip for the maid. I had some real stunners from flats in Soho, I also met some pigs. I found the sex was mechanical most of the time but there have been a few times when the girl went out of her way to please me. Don't expect anything near a GFE in Soho, what do you expect for £25! BTW if there is anyone standing outside the doorway or on the staircase then avoid even talking to these people, they are just low life hustlers.

I'm interested in finding out about good places to go for street walkers. Is there still an active scene in Commercial Street and Whitechapel? I would love to meet one that would do BBBJ and anal