London

[Turgid]

..... Some girls have also told me that they don't like having their rates too low (150 GBP), because it attracts different clientele than rates that are a bit higher (200-300 GBP) .....

That difference is too close to make any sense. Guys who pay 200-300 GBP would gladly go with a girl who charges 150. Similarly, a guy who would normally pay 150 GBP could, for whatever reason, miss a few days action and, having saved some sterling, readily afford 200-300 GBP for a punt.

[BlueBoyBlew]

More than one diva girl has told me that Diva takes 30%. One girl has also told me that this 30% is only on the hourly rate, but not on fees for extras (those are for the girl to keep) - with that model, I would have thought that more girls would reduce their hourly rate, and put common services (like OWO) as extras, so that they could pay commission to Diva based on a lower rate, while the men would pay the same. Some girls have also told me that they don't like having their rates too low (150 GBP), because it attracts different clientele than rates that are a bit higher (200-300 GBP) - so that could be why more girls haven't reduced their hourly rates and shifted the fees to extras. As a customer, I would also perceive a girl as difficult / high maintenance if I saw too many services that are normally included, listed as extras (even if her hourly rate were lower). So that may also be a reason that the girls seem to prefer including common services within the hourly rate.

The norm in London is for the agency to charge 30% commission, and as you also say, the agency won't charge anything for the "extras."

Where a girl is saying she is being charged 50% it is usually because she has an "agent" (insert whatever word you want here in place of "agent") who has helped bring her to the UK. You'll often find this with Russian and Ukrainian girls, as well as Brazilian girls. These agents recruit the girls in their home country and will finance their trip, arrange visas, photos and accommodation, and place the girls with various agencies such as Diva. It works well for the girls because, as you can imagine, if you want to move from one of these countries to a place like London when you don't have much money, you don't know the city, and you don't speak the language is nigh on impossible.

The original example mentioned here is probably a classic case, as the girl doesn't really know (or care) which agencies she is with, as long as the work keeps coming. She will most likely never communicate with the agency itself but will be advised of any bookings by the agent who will have been advised by the agency.

[NF4591]

Last weekend I met a Diva girl and had some nice conversation during the sessions. She mentioned that agency will share 50% of the money and not cover the rent, travel cost etc. Which means most of them only make 100-150 p for 1 hour and have to pay the high renting fees. It decreased my expection of WG's total income.

One more funny thing is that the girl didn't even know Diva at all, and asked me to show her page LOL.

More than one diva girl has told me that Diva takes 30%. One girl has also told me that this 30% is only on the hourly rate, but not on fees for extras (those are for the girl to keep) - with that model, I would have thought that more girls would reduce their hourly rate, and put common services (like OWO) as extras, so that they could pay commission to Diva based on a lower rate, while the men would pay the same. Some girls have also told me that they don't like having their rates too low (150 GBP), because it attracts different clientele than rates that are a bit higher (200-300 GBP) - so that could be why more girls haven't reduced their hourly rates and shifted the fees to extras. As a customer, I would also perceive a girl as difficult / high maintenance if I saw too many services that are normally included, listed as extras (even if her hourly rate were lower). So that may also be a reason that the girls seem to prefer including common services within the hourly rate.

[BlueBoyBlew]

I'm visiting the Mother Country in early December. Back in the day, I used to visit the Phoenix Club because you could pretty much be spontaneous without a lot of advanced planning. For the price, it wasn't bad, certainly less than I'd pay in a German FKK. I haven't seen any reports in this forum since September. I'm curious if it's still up & running. The website says that they have three girls per shift, so the parties must be smaller these days. Thanks!

Yes the Phoenix Club is still up and running. I attended a party there about a month ago and it was pretty good. There was only two other guys in attendance so there was no problem in having as much fun with the three girls as you wanted. In actual fact, both guys departed with about 30 minutes left so for the last half hour I had the three girls to myself which was good fun!!

On the day I attended, Kasia was one of the girls and she's a good looking lass with a great attitude.

The venue is clean and easy to find but the two bedrooms are a bit small really. I can imagine it would be a tight fit if six guys are in attendance and all want to be a part of the action at the same time. The living room is very large though so there's plenty off space there to chill out and have a drink / nibbles. You can take along your own drinks as well if you want a couple of beers for example.

I hadn't attended one of the parties for probably a decade when they were at the Lancaster Gate location and on a Saturday they would have 6-8 girls. They were cracking good parties with some really hot girls and a great venue, but at the moment the parties are not up to the standard they once were. But you can still have a good time, and as you say they're pretty good value at 160 for two hours.

[Faceless78]

Last weekend I met a Diva girl and had some nice conversation during the sessions. She mentioned that agency will share 50% of the money and not cover the rent, travel cost etc. Which means most of them only make 100-150 p for 1 hour and have to pay the high renting fees. It decreased my expection of WG's total income.

One more funny thing is that the girl didn't even know Diva at all, and asked me to show her page LOL.

[KennyWu]

Indeed, left without any actions. Next time I should do more research before coming there.

From your post it looks like you left London without any action at all unless you picked up some non-pro girls. Hope you have better luck next time.

[Turgid]

..... left London without much action.....

From your post it looks like you left London without any action at all unless you picked up some non-pro girls. Hope you have better luck next time.

[Bittoquick]

Hey there Lads,

I have to come to London early next month.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple rub and tug place (maybe with FS)?

My hotel is right next to King's Cross St Pancras station.

Thanks heaps.

[KennyWu]

I strongly recommend reading Atanion post a few days, before selecting any girl from the website. I selected one girl without the video when I arrived, I was shocked she is too skinny, less (would say very less) attractive, her name starts wit Malxxx, I politely said not interested and gave some tips and left the place. Mood out, did't plan anything, second day another girl which has a video name sRooxxx same experience of the previous day, but would say much better than the first one look wise. But, still not satisfied. Lookup another agency website found an independent Moroccan girl connected on Whatsapp got her Video (looking great) but she (not sure its her or someone) asking to pay 30 pounds in advance and no in-call. Avoided her, left London without much action. I thank Steve who really pointed to research more before starting anything, even though I am a member since 2013 still long way to go.

[Steven Jones]

Hi!

I'll be visiting London for 2 weeks and will be looking for a submissive escort. I'm wondering if anyone knows any Diva girls that provides submissive services? I noticed that they don't specifically list this as a service or maybe it is labelled differently. Also, any recommendations here will be very well appreciated.

Thanks.

Depending on your kinks and budget I'd give Subbykatie a go. https://subbykatie.com/.

[Max #01]

I'm visiting the Mother Country in early December. Back in the day, I used to visit the Phoenix Club because you could pretty much be spontaneous without a lot of advanced planning. For the price, it wasn't bad, certainly less than I'd pay in a German FKK. I haven't seen any reports in this forum since September. I'm curious if it's still up & running. The website says that they have three girls per shift, so the parties must be smaller these days. Thanks!

[KennyWu]

Sorry, Steve, I have got it. I will explore and contribute something to this group. Cheers.

Dude. Are you trolling us? Just read Atanions post on 10/14. Total Newbie guide. You cannot fail if you follow his rubric.

[HotSauce691]

Hi!

I'll be visiting London for 2 weeks and will be looking for a submissive escort. I'm wondering if anyone knows any Diva girls that provides submissive services? I noticed that they don't specifically list this as a service or maybe it is labelled differently. Also, any recommendations here will be very well appreciated.

Thanks.

[Steve 9696]

I am going to stay in the Greater London area in a hotel. The agencies mentioned in the forum like Diva and three more options. Are these genuine, how to find the right girl, incall is safe? And any other tips. Thanks and' advance.

Dude. Are you trolling us? Just read Atanions post on 10/14. Total Newbie guide. You cannot fail if you follow his rubric.

[KennyWu]

I am going to stay in the Greater London area in a hotel. The agencies mentioned in the forum like Diva and three more options. Are these genuine, how to find the right girl, incall is safe? And any other tips. Thanks and' advance.

What are you looking for in a meet?