London

[AmericanPi]

Yep. Totally.

Because I'm an idiot, I have on occasion gone hunting for hidden treasures with other agencies.

Every time, disappointed.

And every time I use Divas, it works out.

They just have their game tight. It's a highly professional company in a decidedly unprofessional industry.

Diva gets mentioned so much because it's pretty much a sure thing done right.

1. The girl in the picture is the girl you get. 100%. Read the reviews tho in case she's slightly older or chubbier than when pics taken (doesn't happen with well reviewed girls).

2. The post positive and negative reviews.

3. They post the girls services. If it says FK but not DFK then she doesn't DFK. It's all transparent.

4. The service is impeccable. Like I called at 11:45 and was in Flory's bed at 12:15.

5. The girls use many services but Diva treats them best based on my sampling.

And speaking to the other post on incall. Surely all those are concerns. Never had any of them with Diva. These girls have their own tiny flats (without boyfriends lurking) or are roommates with other Diva girls. Yes one time we could hear a roomie and a guy getting it on when we were having some wine. Doesn't bother me.

Often you meet their diva flatmates scampering around in a T-shirt and undies or watching Netflix in a wife beater in her bed. I find these enhance not detract from the personal experience incall provides.

[Steve 9696]

Diva gets mentioned so much because it's pretty much a sure thing done right.

1. The girl in the picture is the girl you get. 100%. Read the reviews tho in case she's slightly older or chubbier than when pics taken (doesn't happen with well reviewed girls).

2. The post positive and negative reviews.

3. They post the girls services. If it says FK but not DFK then she doesn't DFK. It's all transparent.

4. The service is impeccable. Like I called at 11:45 and was in Flory's bed at 12:15.

5. The girls use many services but Diva treats them best based on my sampling.

And speaking to the other post on incall. Surely all those are concerns. Never had any of them with Diva. These girls have their own tiny flats (without boyfriends lurking) or are roommates with other Diva girls. Yes one time we could hear a roomie and a guy getting it on when we were having some wine. Doesn't bother me.

Often you meet their diva flatmates scampering around in a T-shirt and undies or watching Netflix in a wife beater in her bed. I find these enhance not detract from the personal experience incall provides.

[AlwaysOn2020]

Something I have to know though, is why does everyone on this site rave about Diva so much? Not criticizing, just curious. What makes them stand out?

By far the easiest to work.

- Folks who handle communications are super nice at coordinating everything / making recommendations / taking feedback etc.

- Always have countless number of girls working. Even as late at 1 in the night.

- (If you've done your homework, read reviews etc.) the chance of you getting scammed or having a bad session is minimal when compared to the others. Of course YMMV.

- Rates are standard. Funny enough, I've come across a few others (Babylon, Barracuda etc.) who have the same women but the hourly rates are higher.

On MOST occasions, you see what you get. Some of the most highly rated ladies (across multiple review boards) work with Diva.

[AmericanPi]

If I were to monger in London, which could very well happen as I believe London would open up much sooner than Germany, I would choose outcall rather than incall as there would be no lurking boyfriends to pull some nasty surprises.

I'm totally the same. Thought everyone but clearly not. When a girl comes to my hotel, I need to take precautions (putting valuables in safe, hiding things with my real name) but it feels safer. They are on "my" turf. No lurking boyfriends or co-conspirators. Can't get past lobby without my approval. Going into a girl's apartment I'd be afraid of walking into some sh*t.

[SonnyJim2]

London is the perfect place to take your chances because you always have backup. For example, I tried my hand at pure civilian dating with a hot Peruvian I met at a dance club. We had a nice dinner but I didn't close the deal. It was 11:45 PM and I was on the street after she left. I texted Diva theee girls from my list who I might hope to see and they said Flory would see me. I was in Flory's bed before 12:15! I shit you not. So you can always take a chance and have a diva girl as backup.

Same thing another time. I have a Malaysian MILF I like but "we just friends". At 1 AM after dancing I booked Mermaid at 1:45 AM and she was down to meet. So you can have your civvy cake and eat it too.

If you are not brave enough to go full civvy then Sugar Babies is where it's at. With a sugar baby you have the allure of a non sure thing but a sweetener that stacks the odds in your favor. If you are not objectionable and done your research you have a 90% chance of sealing the deal. But there is always that "don't ever quite know". With this hot Vietnamese chick in London even after chatting over wine in my room I was never sure it was on. It was a seduction at every step. Even when I pulled off her pants and her panties came with she pulled them back up. But working around this obstacle we were fucking 10 minutes later..

Hahahaha, I've had half a dozen civvy women down the years, without being any kind of a studly woman pulling guy, and did just that (bang hookers while dating to take the pressure off); I kind of wonder though if the civvy women can tell you're not desperate to get into their pants and it puts them off sometimes. I think they're used to getting chased by horny guys and if you're not champing at the bit they think there's something wrong. Who knows, in any case once I start dating again now the lockdown is over, I certainly intend to keep punting on the side (unless things get serious with anyone).

Something I have to know though, is why does everyone on this site rave about Diva so much? Not criticizing, just curious. What makes them stand out?

[Steve 9696]

While I was browsing Adultwork looking at post-lockdown bed mates (reverse AW bookings are back, thank the Gods), something struck me for the first time. My first formative P4 P experiences were Amsterdam's RLD and then Edinburgh's sauna industry, and that seems to be the model I've stuck with ever since. Though I've subsequently punted in Germany, China and other parts of the UK, its always been through indies or brothels / massage parlours, I. E. Involving me turning up to a place where I know full-time professional service providers operate, guaranteeing a booking.

I find it very secure and reassuring I guess, but I've always enjoyed reading the punter's field reports where the situation was a bit more informal and / or ambiguous. That is to say, a report where a non-pro suddenly and unexpectedly reveals she very much "will", or a more subtle situation where a girl kinda-sorta-maybe puts out for compensation of some kind, but there's an enjoyable frisson to the whole thing on both parties' sides. I suspect that's why so many guys enjoy sugar babes, though for me it is more fun to read about the unexpected shags that can result spontaneously. I remember reading one US escort talking about her pre-hooking life, who related how she was hired to house sit as a student once, when the guy she was doing it for got back a day or two early, and she ended up banging him on the unspoken understanding that she'd get her full fee for the house-sitting. Sadly that is the kind of thing that never happens to me; p.

I suspect the tension between soft / informal sex work and the regular thing boils down to the eroticism of knowing you're definitely going to get laid (those last few steps as you trot up to the door / window of the building housing the SP / s you're going to enjoy seeing always get my pulse racing) vs the novelty factor of the unexpected, which is such an important thing for people's sex lives. I'm still a bit jealous of the guys whose life experience includes getting all their questions about what some maid / secretary / hairdresser / insert female acquaintance here looks like naked answered; and even more of anyone who's gotten unexpected GFE-lite experiences from non- or semi-pros, the lucky bastards.

The closest (not very.) I've come to any sort of spontaneous or informal action was many years ago, an older British SP who couldn't work from home as she still had kids there, and so used to offer a service where she'd offer you outdoors BBBJ / CIM in the woods at the end of town (Leeds in this case). She wasn't the best looking lady I've ever been with (no oil painting myself.), but she did come through when I took her up on it. I even got picked up in her massive station wagon and driven off to the location itself. It was a pretty unique experience that I still remember over 10 years later, though obviously the lady giving me the head in question was still a full-time professional.

London is the perfect place to take your chances because you always have backup. For example, I tried my hand at pure civilian dating with a hot Peruvian I met at a dance club. We had a nice dinner but I didn't close the deal. It was 11:45 PM and I was on the street after she left. I texted Diva theee girls from my list who I might hope to see and they said Flory would see me. I was in Flory's bed before 12:15! I shit you not. So you can always take a chance and have a diva girl as backup.

Same thing another time. I have a Malaysian MILF I like but "we just friends". At 1 AM after dancing I booked Mermaid at 1:45 AM and she was down to meet. So you can have your civvy cake and eat it too.

If you are not brave enough to go full civvy then Sugar Babies is where it's at. With a sugar baby you have the allure of a non sure thing but a sweetener that stacks the odds in your favor. If you are not objectionable and done your research you have a 90% chance of sealing the deal. But there is always that "don't ever quite know". With this hot Vietnamese chick in London even after chatting over wine in my room I was never sure it was on. It was a seduction at every step. Even when I pulled off her pants and her panties came with she pulled them back up. But working around this obstacle we were fucking 10 minutes later.

And once a Vegas SB was in my room only after dinner only to say "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" and she meant it. I had to whip out every Nanpa trick in the book and we were fucking 20 minutes later.

So take your chances — go civvy. Go SB. There's always a last minute Diva girl. It's a win win.

[Steve 9696]

Funny, I'm the total opposite. I can't stand the idea of having to fork over extra cash for some taxi or what have you, or having some SP know where I live. People might spot you slipping in or out of a knocking shop but then you just go home, whereas your neighbors seeing a procession of girls waltzing in and out of your pad won't take long to put two and two together. Then there's the theft issue, having to clean a place up (hey, maybe that's just me) etc etc. Far too much effort, I much prefer a good incall.

Agree w Sonny. In some countries outcall is best. But in London, with Diva, I always do incall! There is nothing like going to a girls room! Maybe she gets some heels out of her closet to fuck you in (Melty. Red ones) or wine from the fridge to share (Noleta) or who knows — both wine and Thai jerky from the fridge (Anna at Olina). Just being in their space is intoxicating for me. Incall only in London for me.

[SonnyJim2]

While I was browsing Adultwork looking at post-lockdown bed mates (reverse AW bookings are back, thank the Gods), something struck me for the first time. My first formative P4 P experiences were Amsterdam's RLD and then Edinburgh's sauna industry, and that seems to be the model I've stuck with ever since. Though I've subsequently punted in Germany, China and other parts of the UK, its always been through indies or brothels / massage parlours, I. E. Involving me turning up to a place where I know full-time professional service providers operate, guaranteeing a booking.

I find it very secure and reassuring I guess, but I've always enjoyed reading the punter's field reports where the situation was a bit more informal and / or ambiguous. That is to say, a report where a non-pro suddenly and unexpectedly reveals she very much "will", or a more subtle situation where a girl kinda-sorta-maybe puts out for compensation of some kind, but there's an enjoyable frisson to the whole thing on both parties' sides. I suspect that's why so many guys enjoy sugar babes, though for me it is more fun to read about the unexpected shags that can result spontaneously. I remember reading one US escort talking about her pre-hooking life, who related how she was hired to house sit as a student once, when the guy she was doing it for got back a day or two early, and she ended up banging him on the unspoken understanding that she'd get her full fee for the house-sitting. Sadly that is the kind of thing that never happens to me; p.

I suspect the tension between soft / informal sex work and the regular thing boils down to the eroticism of knowing you're definitely going to get laid (those last few steps as you trot up to the door / window of the building housing the SP / s you're going to enjoy seeing always get my pulse racing) vs the novelty factor of the unexpected, which is such an important thing for people's sex lives. I'm still a bit jealous of the guys whose life experience includes getting all their questions about what some maid / secretary / hairdresser / insert female acquaintance here looks like naked answered; and even more of anyone who's gotten unexpected GFE-lite experiences from non- or semi-pros, the lucky bastards.

The closest (not very.) I've come to any sort of spontaneous or informal action was many years ago, an older British SP who couldn't work from home as she still had kids there, and so used to offer a service where she'd offer you outdoors BBBJ / CIM in the woods at the end of town (Leeds in this case). She wasn't the best looking lady I've ever been with (no oil painting myself.), but she did come through when I took her up on it. I even got picked up in her massive station wagon and driven off to the location itself. It was a pretty unique experience that I still remember over 10 years later, though obviously the lady giving me the head in question was still a full-time professional.

[SonnyJim2]

Agree 100%. All my best punts were outcall. I recall having an amazing punt with one of the Babylon girls. Outcall - and someone else on this forum had a miserable one with the same girl. Incall.

Even that aside, the very idea of not having to travel, feeling comfortable in your own space and the option to drink / smoke right before your girl gets home is worth the extra.

Funny, I'm the total opposite. I can't stand the idea of having to fork over extra cash for some taxi or what have you, or having some SP know where I live. People might spot you slipping in or out of a knocking shop but then you just go home, whereas your neighbors seeing a procession of girls waltzing in and out of your pad won't take long to put two and two together. Then there's the theft issue, having to clean a place up (hey, maybe that's just me) etc etc. Far too much effort, I much prefer a good incall.

[AlwaysOn2020]

If I were to monger in London, which could very well happen as I believe London would open up much sooner than Germany, I would choose outcall rather than incall as there would be no lurking boyfriends to pull some nasty surprises.

Agree 100%. All my best punts were outcall. I recall having an amazing punt with one of the Babylon girls. Outcall - and someone else on this forum had a miserable one with the same girl. Incall.

Even that aside, the very idea of not having to travel, feeling comfortable in your own space and the option to drink / smoke right before your girl gets home is worth the extra ££.

[Turgid]

Doesn't matter. Anywhere in Zone 1-4. Zone 4 would be cheaper to stay at (more cash to monger).

Given you prefer Incalll anyway, doesn't matter. Let's say you're in Zone 4, it might take you about an hour to get to the address v / s 15-20 min in Zone 1. But then, I'd assume. Traveling all the way thinking / hoping that you're going to have your mind blown is exciting in itself.

I stayed in an around Notting Hill. Did both in & outcalls. Zone 1 has its perks if you're thinking with your the* at 1 in the night and need a fix. But that reflected in my bank balance too.

Long story short. Stay anywhere. Close to the tube. Bayswater, Earls etc are going to be your best / most common spots for incall.

If I were to monger in London, which could very well happen as I believe London would open up much sooner than Germany, I would choose outcall rather than incall as there would be no lurking boyfriends to pull some nasty surprises.

[AlwaysOn2020]

Which part of London is the best area to stay in if you're just looking for incalls?

Doesn't matter. Anywhere in Zone 1-4. Zone 4 would be cheaper to stay at (more cash to monger).

Given you prefer Incalll anyway, doesn't matter. Let's say you're in Zone 4, it might take you about an hour to get to the address v / s 15-20 min in Zone 1. But then, I'd assume. Traveling all the way thinking / hoping that you're going to have your mind blown is exciting in itself.

I stayed in an around Notting Hill. Did both in & outcalls. Zone 1 has its perks if you're thinking with your the* at 1 in the night and need a fix. But that reflected in my bank balance too.

Long story short. Stay anywhere. Close to the tube. Bayswater, Earls etc are going to be your best / most common spots for incall.

[Fake It]

Honestly just about anywhere in Zone 1. London is pretty easy to get around, and most of the agencies focus on central. I'd stay in an area where there's plenty of things to do (pubs, restaurants, etc.) and not worry about the incalls; you won't get turned down based on where you're staying as long as you're not way out in the sticks (Zone 3+ or so).

Even zone two can be a bit of a slog for some of these girls. Basically anything more than a 30 min journey can put them off, especially if your booking is just a 1 HR session while your location will take them 30 minutes each way. I like to stay in East London for the colorful night life, and while there are plenty of options around locally, most of the girls who are based out of central (Paddington) or West (Kensington), were reluctant to make that journey. However if you are in the 250 GBP+ price range, then most will take you up on it.

[AlwaysOn2020]

experiences of lots of 18-25 years old girls who aren't hard core professionals, but rather needy students..Let me know if you need any tips on the closed Asian scenes.

So, Disclaimer first. SEA was and will always remain a goldmine (hopefully). You're not going to find that anywhere here. That aside, Diva's got working girls who may fit the age range, adultwork is a good source overall but could be a hit or miss.

Lastly, there was this home massage spot in Hayes. On occasion, I'the find the prettiest Asians there who'd provide incredible service. But from all the reviews I've read, that place's been a Hit or miss for most folks. YMMV - but, for me, every single session there was EPIC. The mamasan closed doors sometime when COVID was getting started. But prior to that, she had FOB Asian girls. Much like meeting amateurs in SEA who are new to the game. Message me and I'll try and locate the old ad / number. Have some good memories there. I've moved out of London so not sure if the apartment / spa's still open. But no harm trying. Cheers.

[SoberHans69]

Honestly just about anywhere in Zone 1. London is pretty easy to get around, and most of the agencies focus on central. I'd stay in an area where there's plenty of things to do (pubs, restaurants, etc.) and not worry about the incalls; you won't get turned down based on where you're staying as long as you're not way out in the sticks (Zone 3+ or so).

Brilliant, thank you. Still hoping by to get abroad at the start of July but it's nice to see I can have a great time in London as a last resort.