London

[Optimist]

Who said this? Soho walk-ups are still up and running and you can still "check out half a dozen girls in half an hour.

I failed to see the interest for essentially a bunch of guys who are essentially mongering elsewhere, Germany it seems, to come on these thread and fill GBs of cyberspace with pages to say how bad it is in London.

London mongering scene is what it is, and there are subjective different views about it, so just leave us alone here, enjoy Germany, Thailand, Timbuktu if you can go there!

I assume that my answer will again trigger Myrrh and Pfp to fill a few extra pages, but, don't bother, I don't read them anymore.

Ah, this is something I do know the answer to .

The number of walk ups in Soho has declined dramatically, nowadays I estimate well under 20% of the number there used to be(I can go round and remember each no longer existent walkup).The redevelopment of Greens Court and Walkers Court is almost the final nail in the coffin.

Even Berwick St. Market offends those guiding the gentrification of the area

You say you fail to see the interest in London from guys like me. Yes, I do monger mainly in Germany, but I wanted some help in being able to retry London. I hope that explains it clearly. All I wanted was some practical advice and guidance.

I don't knock London: as you say "it is what it is", but as a UK citizen, born and bred in London (now living outside London) it doesn't seem so inappropriate to ask for help.

So, does anyone have any practical help to offer, apart from look in phone booths and look on AW , Vivastreet etc?. I explained earlier why these options were not good for me.

[PayForIt]

I failed to see the interest for essentially a bunch of guys who are essentially mongering elsewhere, Germany it seems, to come on these thread and fill GBs of cyberspace with pages to say how bad it is in London.

London mongering scene is what it is, and there are subjective different views about it, so just leave us alone here, enjoy Germany, Thailand, Timbuktu if you can go there!

I assume that my answer will again trigger Myrrh and Pfp to fill a few extra pages, but, don't bother, I don't read them anymore.

I wondered how long it would take for the London Defence Brigade to arrive!🐴🦄🐴

First, you DO read the posts or otherwise you couldn't be commenting upon them here.

Secondly, the forum is for information (sadly lacking on the London thread) and opinions. I'm as entitled to express mine, as is Myrrh, and Optimist, as you and you pal Jojo are to be 100% defensive about London. So the rather childish "so just leave us alone here" is, I hope, the expression of a desire rather than a hint of a command. If the latter you'll be sent off with a flea in your ear for telling others what to post, or where. This sort of comment reminds me of the crass stupidity of those who denounced the vast majority of people in the UK who voted Brexit as stupid. It doesn't matter whether other members and I believe London has poor mongering options and other countries are better, and it doesn't matter that you disagree (your perfectly validly expressed opinion). What matters is that we are all free to express those opinions. Don't try to stifle that (either with pleas to "leave us alone") or worse, commands.

Finally, as for taking up a lot of bandwith (GBs. Are you serious?!!)😇 It would be terrific if instead of this debate about London being hopeless (or not) you and your pal Jojo and anyone else for that matter actually posted some useful information which assisted others to know where you attended, who with, when, what she was like to look at, what service level was provided etc. I. e all of the information you will find on nearly every other thread on ISG apart from London. I'm beginning to actually wonder what the London thread is for. Jackson. If you are reading this, please consider the past 100 posts on this thread and ask whether it is a valid thread as nobody who posts on it is prepared to give a decent piece of information. Apologies. There was of course the suggestion to ask a policeman 👮where to monger in London. Very helpful but completely renders the London thread useless.

For as long as this thread ceases to exist, and / or contain NIL positive information to assist others, I shall continue to post as a notice to possible mongers considering London as a destination. That it is to be avoided for mongering. My view. I'm 100% entitled to express it. Please prove me wrong. Go on Dreams. Please post something of use to others who visit this thread. Honestly. You'd think we were back in school!

[Dreams]

. Gone are most of the walk ups in Soho and Shepherds Market, where one could check out half a dozen girls in half an hour...

Who said this? Soho walk-ups are still up and running and you can still "check out half a dozen girls in half an hour.

I failed to see the interest for essentially a bunch of guys who are essentially mongering elsewhere, Germany it seems, to come on these thread and fill GBs of cyberspace with pages to say how bad it is in London.

London mongering scene is what it is, and there are subjective different views about it, so just leave us alone here, enjoy Germany, Thailand, Timbuktu if you can go there!

I assume that my answer will again trigger Myrrh and Pfp to fill a few extra pages, but, don't bother, I don't read them anymore.

[Optimist]

Jojosun. As you were rude to me based on your misunderstanding of use of English, I need to tell you that "here" is an adverb which can be used to refer to a specific place and / or time. My use was referring to my contribution in this thread at the time concerned. As I said below, I was trying to bow out of a pointless argument with you as one of us had to.

[Optimist]

Maybe and I am guessing here as to why? They read what you said and took it a face value, thought you were saying good bye to Mongering in London.

That was a cheap snide unhelpful comment.

I note you use "they". Who are these "they"?. You are saying that I have such influence that these "they" stopped posting information because I bowed gracefully out of a interminable discussion. The use of a vague "they" is a well known technique for trying to intimidate. I am not intimidated.

My comment some time ago about not taking up space was an attempt to bow out of a discussion where it was obvious you and I would not agree. One of us had to stop wasting space and I decided it would be me.

So now you object to me asking for help and guidance. Ungenerous of you to say the least.

If you have nothing informative or helpful to say why do you respond so rudely?

I always try to have a constructive relationship with fellow members: that doesn't seem to be possible in this thread.

[PayForIt]

Maybe and I am guessing here as to why? They read what you said and took it a face value, thought you were saying good bye to Mongering in London.

Yet again Jojo you want to have a dig at ANOTHER ISG member who seeks to criticise the lack of help on the London thread. You've rounded on Myrrh before, sniped at me, and did not have a single word to rebut Optimists very reasonable and sensibly worded post. As I've said before: some members of the London forum just cannot accept ANY criticism of London or its mongering options. Your response to Optimist is another perfect example of that lack of ability to take criticism. No help for Optimist, none for Myrrh, and telling me to ask a policeman where to monger. London hang your head in shame!😰💤✈️👎

[Jojosun]

I've just spent half hour reading the thread in the hope of finding some information. Why is there no information about places which are operating within the law? Or about providers who are on aw or vivastreet etc. Not even an offer to share info via PM to trusted ISG members. Not even any detail about the Leicester Square property mentioned.

Doing the legwork from scratch is too time consuming. Several calls to a number shown in a phone box or on aw, before getting a reply, eventually getting a street name, making a tube trip, then having to call again for the number, probably not getting an answer and a return tube trip with no result. An hour or more down the drain. Even if one gets to see the girl it turns out that the fit spinner expected turns out to be a fat, if very nice, person. Just my experience: limited for obvious reasons.And the reason I haven't done any reports on London..

As I rarely monger in London I think it would be inappropriate for me to continue to take up space here .

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Maybe and I am guessing here as to why? They read what you said and took it a face value, thought you were saying good bye to Mongering in London.

[Optimist]

I've just spent half hour reading the thread in the hope of finding some information. Why is there no information about places which are operating within the law? Or about providers who are on aw or vivastreet etc. Not even an offer to share info via PM to trusted ISG members. Not even any detail about the Leicester Square property mentioned.

Doing the legwork from scratch is too time consuming. Several calls to a number shown in a phone box or on aw, before getting a reply, eventually getting a street name, making a tube trip, then having to call again for the number, probably not getting an answer and a return tube trip with no result. An hour or more down the drain. Even if one gets to see the girl it turns out that the fit spinner expected turns out to be a fat, if very nice, person. Just my experience: limited for obvious reasons.And the reason I haven't done any reports on London

Don't know about never had it so good. Gone are most of the walk ups in Soho and Shepherds Market, where one could check out half a dozen girls in half an hour.

Surely there is some information which can be shared?

In the meantime I'll just read "Secret History of Georgian London: How the Wages of Sin Shaped the Capital". The past is another country.

[Jojosun]

I appreciate your efforts but I just have to face reality as Myrrh says. If I want to select a girl from a line up face to face having seen who is on offer, London is not the place. He has accepted it, I can accept it, and you should too. There is no other thread on the whole of ISG I've come across where members are SO defensive about a location. Get over it. London is good for agencies / adult work / LMP and AMPS. It's hopeless for selection from a LU. No problem. It's a shame that a capital city doesn't have this on offer but so be it. And just in case you are wondering.......I'm a Londoner!

Hi PFI,

Thank you for the detailed and prompt response.

Of course London isn't the place if you want a Mega Brothel with a line up to choose from for s the same rates as in Germany or Spain. If you want that kind of mongering then its Spain or Germany if you don't mind the Lack of diversity which is available in London. Different tastes, different budgets, different preferences, it happens. That's life.

Now you and Myrrh are speaking with the same voice, LOL merged? Do you monger in the same venues in Germany?

As for you being a Londoner?? Not that it makes any difference but in some of your posts.

You said "I am not from London or Manchester, I visit London almost every 2 weeks ".

And here [quote=PayForIt;1939731 You've obviously had successes. But it's just too hit and miss for me though I take your point on being able to converse on UKP to attempt to get some corroborative evidence before you make the choice.

All fine if you live in London or have time to plan a visit. For me, I might only find out on the morning of a visit I'm going. Pretty difficult to then start messaging other members to find out what I want to know[/quote]Londoner or Visitor to London stick to what's available in London and enjoy it whilst it lasts.

Cheers and happy mongering wherever you are.

[PayForIt]

In case you didn't do enough research on Mongering in Milton Keynes, nearly all the best girls who work there also work in Central London Brothels. In fact the one site for the London locations also shows the photos and schedules of girls working in MK.

Hope this saves some people the 30 minutes fast train journey to MK.

Thanks for the very lengthy responses, some with a touch of sarcasm but that's fine as I've used it too. I don't care if MK is 30 minutes fast train or not. It's not in London. This is the LONDON thread. Maybe you should start a Milton Keynes thread?

I'm not really sure if the rickshaws info was meant to suggest that in place of your previous advice that I ask a policeman where brothels are I should now get a pedicab and ask him or her?

Finally thanks for the very lengthy explanation of the definition of central London. I note you have used the tube map and defined central as anywhere within the Circle Line. I'm afraid that's not my assessment of central London but as you say, one size doesn't fit all. Your size (on what is central London) is a lot bigger than mine!

Myrrh got it right in his post. Those of us who like choosing from a LU are spoilt by options in other countries, and in other cities in the UK. Manchester and Milton Keynes to name two. LEA enforcement policies in London just clearly have killed the old fashioned bordello in the very heart of the city. Fair enough. I could of course resort to ringing multiple phone box cards to ask if they have more than one girl. But they will say no to ensure they are legally compliant (I could be a policeman calling!) so it would mean turning up to many such places and refusing to continue if there is no LU.

The snipe about two way street is interesting and I note you've been assessing the history of my posts.....which is fine. You will see the very significant amount of detail I've gone into in the Madrid / Costa del Sol / FKK Artemis / Oase / Sharks / Sakura /World/ Paradise / Mainhattan / Palace /Dresden/Prague/ Dubai / Bangkok threads for the benefit of other members. Identifying locations / directions / facilities and commenting on which girls do and don't give good service. So I give plenty when I can see I might receive some reciprocation. Some of those reports have been designated as Reports of Distinction in some of those threads. The constant references on here to "do your research / legwork" and your final "ask a policeman" speak volumes. You have posted details of some LUs in outer areas of London. Do you ever post information about which girls are good /gave good service/ and those who didn't? As Myrrh says. These appear not to exist in what most people consider to be central London.

I appreciate your efforts but I just have to face reality as Myrrh says. If I want to select a girl from a line up face to face having seen who is on offer, London is not the place. He has accepted it, I can accept it, and you should too. There is no other thread on the whole of ISG I've come across where members are SO defensive about a location. Get over it. London is good for agencies / adult work / LMP and AMPS. It's hopeless for selection from a LU. No problem. It's a shame that a capital city doesn't have this on offer but so be it. And just in case you are wondering.......I'm a Londoner!

[Jojosun]

Last time I checked Milton Keynes was not in central London. So that's no good..

In case you didn't do enough research on Mongering in Milton Keynes, nearly all the best girls who work there also work in Central London Brothels. In fact the one site for the London locations also shows the photos and schedules of girls working in MK.

Hope this saves some people the 30 minutes fast train journey to MK.

[Jojosun]

Sorry I think you completely misunderstand me Jojo. Krazyman said we were 'getting there' not me. The only "getting there" from my perspective is that I'm succumbing to the fact that there are no brothels with line ups in London. I've asked repeatedly for anyone to post details of just one in central London. Nobody has done so from which at least I appreciate that no ISG members know of one. Maybe those on other sites do but don't like to share the information on ISG. I don't understand why not but it's their prerogative.

As for "you've never had it so good with your request for info on this thread" - that really did give me a giggle. I've posted 20 times that I challenge ANY member of this thread to post details of ONE brothel with a line up in Central London instead of the school headmistress comments telling me to do "research" and now "legwork"..

In all my research I never read or heard of this until few days ago and it can't be more Central London than areas covered. Now Bangkok comes to London. And talking about BKK, the first time I landed there pre internet it was a TUK TUK driver who took me on a tour of the Brothels.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-a3352091.html

"London rickshaw drivers' links to the sex trade were exposed today, as hundreds of businesses called for an urgent crackdown on their "wild west" actions.

A new investigation has revealed that drivers of pedicabs. Also known as rickshaws. Are being paid tips by prostitutes for taking passengers to brothels for sex. "

[Jojosun]

As there's no harm in replicating info on ISG re a mongering activity so important for some, here it is in the words of a poster on another UK site where there are no less than 3 threads or more on Brothels on Central London .

"Twice in central London I've found walk-in brothels by calling the numbers on those porno cards in phone boxes. These are often adverts for local brothels and the two I visited had girls which weren't even advertised on AdultWork. It's really hit and miss, of course. When you call ask if they have several girls available. Then you've found a walk in brothel. It won't be the cheapest option but I do get a kick out of being offered a lineup of different girls to choose from.

The last time I went to Edgeware Road, I called the number on display in a phone box on the high street. I then was directed to a brothel and was invited inside. ; I don't think the brothels in Edgware Road are any big secret. Like I say most are advertised in phone boxes, and the one other I spotted which wasn't advertised is not exactly discreet. I think the police know better than any of us about the brothels in this area already ".

And the last time I checked it, Edgware Road is in Central London where Brothels are thriving as its now more of Little Dubai in central London and the Police got other more important things on their Radar to look for. Also for the same Economic and Tourism reasons police let the Chinese venues and Brothels carry on even turning a blind eye to open touting in the West End.

Its the Economy mongers.

That said, of course not everyone is into Brothels with a Line as its more risky and a venture into the less known and would also be a bland experience for me and many other mongers. Is this very difficult for some to appreciate?

One size doesn't all even in mongering.

[Myrrh]

PFI and others, including myself, would really like line ups so we can see what the woman really looks like and choose someone who is okay. Photo shopped photos online are not good enough and visits to see sole sex workers too risky in terms of potentially wasted time.

I think maybe we are completely spoilt by experiences of working girl friendly countries like Germany, Thailand, Spain and so on and find anything less than what we can get there unacceptable.

Maybe a reality check is in order. The UK is a working girl unfriendly kingdom and that is not going to change in our lifetimes, sadly.

Wishing for line ups, and therefore brothels, is wishing for something which is expressly against the law.

Yes, there are a few massage parlors in Greater London which secretly offer full sex on top of the massage, but they are completely breaking the law. They survive because they operate on the outskirts of London where local councils and police enforcement of the law is patchy. These are dodgy, dingy places which could be closed down immediately at any time and the owners thrown into jail for up to two years or more should the authorities wish to do so.

There are no such places in Central London, at least not operating openly and on a permanent basis. One such place Steam and Sun 'Health club' was closed down 3 years ago and the owner put in jail for 2 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D6_d1BWJBg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eptionist.html

The paradox is that we need to find out if there are any places like Steam and Sun, where we can choose between a dozen or more girls, however discussing them publicly could lead to them being closed down.

[Jojosun]

Sorry I think you completely misunderstand me Jojo. Krazyman said we were 'getting there' not me. The only "getting there" from my perspective is that I'm succumbing to the fact that there are no brothels with line ups in London. I've asked repeatedly for anyone to post details of just one in central London. Nobody has done so from which at least I appreciate that no ISG members know of one. Maybe those on other sites do but don't like to share the information on ISG. I don't understand why not but it's their prerogative.

I am not the remotest interested in attending an LMP event and sharing ladies with a group of guys at the same time. To each there own. But not for me. So that's no good..

Hi PFI,

I see you're back to the same subject you first started in late August 2012.

(1) Where is Central London on your map??

Here are the links showing Central London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_London.

The London Plan defines the "Central Activities Zone" policy area, which comprises the City of London, most of Westminster and the inner parts of Camden, Islington, Hackney, Tower Hamlets, Southwark, Lambeth and Kensington and Chelsea.

And on Trip Advisor https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTo...n_England.html.

" central London is roughly bounded by the Circle line of the Underground; see the link below.

Tfl. Gov. Uk / assets /.standard-tube-map. Pdf.

"I find Bloomsbury quite central, with excellent bus connections, which I prefer to the Underground although others' views will vary. Plenty of visitors like to book hotels near Victoria station, and there are a great many near Paddington, clustered on and around Sussex Gardens.

But I also like bits of Kensington, the area around Gloucester Road and even drifting towards Earl's Court, ".

Edgware road, Paddington, Kensington and Chelsea where Brothels with a Line Up are to be found are well within Central London.

(2) How to find them? Cards in Phone Boxes in those areas (Same info posted on other UK Sites) ,Or if someone is willing to pass on Info of the locations or Phone numbers as Brothels in these areas don't advertise openly. As to why no one here or on the UK sites is willing to give exact locations? Maybe no one wants to get involved in a set up less tolerated by the police than other places just in case of a Police Raid and questions asked during arrests. There are 3 or 4 threads on Brothels on the other site and there's even one on 24 hours brothels in London. .

I know of about 4 or 5 Brothels in Kensington and Chelsea with a Line up, But I won't pass on any info nor recommend such places to Visitors to London.

You want to find out about them, then you need to do what everyone did before, ie Cards in Phone boxes is the way ti find them.

(3) Venues that advertise openly online and with a Line Up, posted on them before in reply to your question.

http://www.cleopatrassauna.com/ Located here 140 Willesden High Road NW10 2 PJ 0208 8302008.

Aqua Sauna 42 Hornsey Rd, London N7 7 BP.

Libby's Sauna in Stratford. Its such an open secret http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...lympic-stadium.

The 3 venues above with a Line Up are only a matter of about 15 minutes max on the Underground.

Yes you've hit the nail on its head " So Yes. I am getting there. Realising that there is really little point viewing this thread as often as I have previously, or even posting (as I have previously) as it's not a two way street on here[.

With just one post on your massage experience at White Lilly, the one and only report in 4 years and one month, this would hardly make this thread a 2 way street.

Cheers.