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[Steve 9696]

I was not able to edit my previous post so here is amendement:

In the past the dating site especially with pay subscription is notoriously known as a scam. So, when the new one emerges some people might think it is game changer??

If you are in your 50's, 60's, fat, bold what is your chance realistically to score a good looking young girl in their 20's? A very small percentage might be lucky but majority are not if they are not using other ways such as money to increase their attractiveness. Put yourself on their shoes. If you are in your 20's, good looking, fit are you going to date 60's gradma wihtout getting paid?

I am not intending to marginalise people but I just mention the obvious where some people might be blinded by the dating site using people weakness to scam people.

Adindas. You misunderstand SA. It is not a dating site. It is sugar daddy sugar baby. What that means is that older well off guys PAY these girls to date them and have sex. It's a lot more subtle than paying escorts because the girls usually have real jobs and lives. So you can't talk money for sex but in the end these young 20's girls date old dudes like me because they get paid. You do have to be non objectionable and have some game if you want to score the hot ones as it's not straight P6 where they will go with anyone.

There are no gifts for the girls up front. Any girl that asks for money upfront is an instant block. You do have to pay SA $80/ month to chat with the girls. In general it's been great for me. But I also just got catfished twice in quite an elaborate way ie lots of chat and agree to meetup and literally after I am on my way to the meetup they say they need cash up front. Fuck me. So I went from 18 of 20 meetups leading to sex to 18 for 22. Boo that sucked.

Still going to keep at it because in The US the pickings are really slim and expensive. In Brazil Russia and Germany I will go exclusively FKK and club girls. And London and Japan a mix.

[Adindas]

Thanks Jackpot.

When I signed up to seeking benefits I got like 10 messages from girls and I didn't even have a profile picture, I think this is an algorithm used to drum up business, since they want you to buy credits.

Not going to even bother researching SA, I'll just use tinder for 5-6's and escorts for 8-9's. An ideal set up for me.

I was not able to edit my previous post so here is amendement:

In the past the dating site especially with pay subscription is notoriously known as a scam. So, when the new one emerges some people might think it is game changer??

If you are in your 50's, 60's, fat, bold what is your chance realistically to score a good looking young girl in their 20's? A very small percentage might be lucky but majority are not if they are not using other ways such as money to increase their attractiveness. Put yourself on their shoes. If you are in your 20's, good looking, fit are you going to date 60's gradma wihtout getting paid?

I am not intending to marginalise people but I just mention the obvious where some people might be blinded by the dating site using people weakness to scam people.

[Adindas]

Thanks Jackpot.

When I signed up to seeking benefits I got like 10 messages from girls and I didn't even have a profile picture, I think this is an algorithm used to drum up business, since they want you to buy credits.

Not going to even bother researching SA, I'll just use tinder for 5-6's and escorts for 8-9's. An ideal set up for me.

I also start to be suspicious about SA (Se*k*ng.com). They are everywhere in the ISG country thread where people spread the news of the success stories with a very short time.

The problem with that SA is that it is actually a paid subscription where you will need to buy a gift to the girl before you could send them the message.

In the past the dating site especially with pay subscription is notoriously known as a scam. So, when the new one emerges it might be a game changer but you should take it with a pinch of salt. People who have used other social networking, facebook, twitter, Instagram, tinder which is already around for sometimes and with little luck. How come you believe that using a new dating site will increase your chance significantly.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks Steve sharing your insight. I'd agree all, and I'd share my personal experience.

Due to lockdown boredom, I tried two sites, one is Seeking Arrangement dot com and the other is Secrete Benefit dot com. I'd imagine you went for Secrete Benefit. That's lessor version of Seeking Arrangement so stick to SA, which has way more numbers of active girls and selections are better. You can send unlimited number of messages with monthly subscription for SA, but you have to buy credit and use that credit every time you send message on SB. Although I had some success on SB, I'd say SA is much better field to hunt.

I live alone in central London and I started this after lockdown started, so it was relatively easy to bring a girl straight to my flat as there were no bars, restaurants. Etc open. There was one girl who sounded a bit cautious about coming straight to my flat for the first time, but I met her in the park nearby and had a walk together before we come back to mine.

Overall, they judge you by how you talk on text comms, so follow what Steve said. Don't be too obvious (mention sex & money directly) and always be polite but easy-going, just as you try to arrange date with a girl whom you've met in a normal bar etc.

If everything goes well (which isn't difficult as you're paying so she wouldn't complain unless you behave badly), she's likely to ask you to meet again and make it regular thing. Some girls may do this only with me, some may do this with multiple men, but that's totally none of my business. All I care is I have good time with a girl when we meet and no string attached. I have a handful of girls whom I've met multiple times, effectively I have a pool of girls for this.

In my experience, they all have day job (or furloughed and paid less) or study commitment. They're normal girls and treat me very nicely, one girl even cleaned my entire flat before she left following morning. If you think how the girls decide to meet you, for whatever reason you have won the selection process by the time you're arranging the meeting so by default, girls are nice to you.

I don't think I'd ever use escort after discovering this scene. It takes time and effort to arrange the meet, but I think it's all worth it. If I want to stop meeting any girl, just say you are busy for a while and will get back to you when you have time. Most of the girls are light hearted for this, and you won't get into sticky situation if you play the game with common-sense.

I think this is spot on escort is quick and easy and transactional. SA is some work, requires a bit of game, and is much more flexible and girlfriendy. In the US I will never use an escort again SA is just hands down better. In London where the Diva Ro-girl scene is awesome I will do a mix. Maybe a noon time quickie with Melty and dinner and dancing and bedtime with an SA girl. Mix and match! It's completely awesome.

P.S. An escort is never going to sleep over. I've had several SA girls come for dinner and stay for breakfast 😋 (no extra charge).

PPS Here is an FR where I wanted a more complete experience than just an hour in the room and did the math on an escort vs SA and had a very lucky SA experience. This was my first SA in London:
Don't believe I've previously posted this. I assume we could all use some actual sex stories in this lean time. Field report on my first use of SA in London. Second was even better. Oh and this is where I left $2000 on the table (in an envelope) by accident and they didn't touch it.

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For my final night I've decided even tho I love going dancing with Paula and having sex with an escort before or after, I really want the full package where the dancing LEADS TO the bedroom. So I start hitting Seeking Arrangement hard, actually starting in the Uber after I leave Paula. Right after I arrive at my hotel that night I hit upon a Colombian hottie but I don't hear back till she texts me back around 3 am.

I know this is a super risky move going to SA since it's hit or miss, and it could be a fail at the dinner table or in the room but I want to take the risk to have the reward of a blowout final night. And (spoiler alert!) a blowout it is.

So I explore all the options (limited) but manage to engage Tana (the Colombiana) in a dialogue that leads to pay dirt. She agrees to see me for 350 for 4-5 hrs of unrushed fun. Dinner dancing and room time. This seems high based on my SA experience to date, but my alternative had been Noleta at straight up Diva pricing of 450 for what would have to be a rushed 3 hours (or 600 for 4 hours yikes!) so I am Ok with her price.

Well the price turns out to be 1/2 off because she says it's her friends birthday and can she come too? At first I think she is trying to upsell me to 700 but she confirms no price change. A two for one deal. Two girls for four hours for 350 . Now THATS a deal (in London) OK baby, it's on!

And I would say we have a top 5 "full experience" kind of night. They both show up at VietFood (where I am repeating) and Tana is clearly a solid 9+. She's a little slim for me, but her face and hair are boner-producing perfection. OMG way prettier than her pics. And Liliana not as much. A 7 without her glasses and a six with them. But what a lovely sweet girl and she loves to dance. And way more affectionate than Tana holding hands and snuggling up against me at various points. They are a great team Tana brings the optics and Liliana brings the GFE. LOL.

We have a nice intro dinner where I teach them how to use chopsticks and they do quite well. I am a pretty good dinner companion and we fall into it effortlessly. Just three old friends having dinner. Great fun and great food. Honestly the best I've eaten in ten years.

We have a grand time at Bar Soho and GAY. I mean who doesnt love being the guy dancing with two of the hottest chicks in the club. And I admit I like just spoiling them a bit dropping cash for dinner and drinks. But we are now 2. 5 hours in and Tana suggests we go to the room, which is a good idea because we'll be 3 hours in by the time we reach the hotel. Possibly the highlight of the whole thing is the pedal cab ride home! (They have these bicycle powered rickshaws throughout Soho). We have cracked a bottle of wine and are drinking it from the bottle and they are cranking the Colombian tunes and singing along. Me as the creamy filling between the two hotties. OMG the funnest thing.

The sex is great but in a funny way. We're cuddling on the bed, Tana in just her thong (wow!) and Liliana fully clothed. I don't think much about this till later but that was odd for Liliana to stay clothed. She's got a slight baby pooch so she may not want to be naked with Tana the slim goddess right beside her.

Well we get me naked and Tana goes for the condom for the BJ. I wave her off and say that’s not gonna work. Well rather than arguing about it, she talks with Liliana the GFE friend in Spanish and next thing u know Liliana is giving me a spectacular BBBJ. Totally works for me cuz Liliana is the BBBJ specialist (fully clothed) as Tana is the optics dancing now fully naked above me.

Eventually Tana fully engages for the sex part and it's quite great. She is soooo fucking beautiful and if you like slim, her body is a perfect ten. Looking at her eyes and smile while you fuck her in mish is legendary. And rare excellent pussy feel in all three positions did lazy dog rather than traditional. Oh and she added in some RCG and ACG for variety. In the end a BJHJ combo finish with Liliana strong on BLS (first of the week!) and Tana alternately kissing me deeply and just looking at me super sexy, enjoying me enjoying Lilianas excellent BBBJ (OWO). OMG did I say Tana was beautiful? That girl is dynamite.

A good 20 minute cuddle in a Liliana, Steve, Tana sandwich after climax. Sweet girls and 4 hours in total. I was completely and deeply satisfied.

[ThePenetrator]

Thanks Steve sharing your insight. I'd agree all, and I'd share my personal experience.

Due to lockdown boredom, I tried two sites, one is Seeking Arrangement dot com and the other is Secrete Benefit dot com. I'd imagine you went for Secrete Benefit. That's lessor version of Seeking Arrangement so stick to SA, which has way more numbers of active girls and selections are better. You can send unlimited number of messages with monthly subscription for SA, but you have to buy credit and use that credit every time you send message on SB. Although I had some success on SB, I'd say SA is much better field to hunt.

I live alone in central London and I started this after lockdown started, so it was relatively easy to bring a girl straight to my flat as there were no bars, restaurants. Etc open. There was one girl who sounded a bit cautious about coming straight to my flat for the first time, but I met her in the park nearby and had a walk together before we come back to mine.

Overall, they judge you by how you talk on text comms, so follow what Steve said. Don't be too obvious (mention sex & money directly) and always be polite but easy-going, just as you try to arrange date with a girl whom you've met in a normal bar etc..

Thanks Jackpot.

When I signed up to seeking benefits I got like 10 messages from girls and I didn't even have a profile picture, I think this is an algorithm used to drum up business, since they want you to buy credits.

Not going to even bother researching SA, I'll just use tinder for 5-6's and escorts for 8-9's. An ideal set up for me.

[Jackpot1234]

Thanks for the info Steve.

I have been having a look at the girls on Seeking benefits, and I am not impressed. I like women of colour, so the Arabs and the Latinos stood out a little, but I sense a lot of girls were chancing their luck. Many were just ugly.

Personally, I don't see a benefit to SB over normal escorts, and if you're an older man that is a bit out of shape, hit the gym. Some guys relish the chase, but I am not one of them. My two cents.

Thanks Steve sharing your insight. I'd agree all, and I'd share my personal experience.

Due to lockdown boredom, I tried two sites, one is Seeking Arrangement dot com and the other is Secrete Benefit dot com. I'd imagine you went for Secrete Benefit. That's lessor version of Seeking Arrangement so stick to SA, which has way more numbers of active girls and selections are better. You can send unlimited number of messages with monthly subscription for SA, but you have to buy credit and use that credit every time you send message on SB. Although I had some success on SB, I'd say SA is much better field to hunt.

I live alone in central London and I started this after lockdown started, so it was relatively easy to bring a girl straight to my flat as there were no bars, restaurants. Etc open. There was one girl who sounded a bit cautious about coming straight to my flat for the first time, but I met her in the park nearby and had a walk together before we come back to mine.

Overall, they judge you by how you talk on text comms, so follow what Steve said. Don't be too obvious (mention sex & money directly) and always be polite but easy-going, just as you try to arrange date with a girl whom you've met in a normal bar etc.

If everything goes well (which isn't difficult as you're paying so she wouldn't complain unless you behave badly), she's likely to ask you to meet again and make it regular thing. Some girls may do this only with me, some may do this with multiple men, but that's totally none of my business. All I care is I have good time with a girl when we meet and no string attached. I have a handful of girls whom I've met multiple times, effectively I have a pool of girls for this.

In my experience, they all have day job (or furloughed and paid less) or study commitment. They're normal girls and treat me very nicely, one girl even cleaned my entire flat before she left following morning. If you think how the girls decide to meet you, for whatever reason you have won the selection process by the time you're arranging the meeting so by default, girls are nice to you.

I don't think I'd ever use escort after discovering this scene. It takes time and effort to arrange the meet, but I think it's all worth it. If I want to stop meeting any girl, just say you are busy for a while and will get back to you when you have time. Most of the girls are light hearted for this, and you won't get into sticky situation if you play the game with common-sense.

[ThePenetrator]

How the date goes and whether you have sex night 1 is a lot up to you and the girl. Some guys do the meet and greet. And then set something up. I don't. Kind of out of necessity because I am short time in a city I make it clear sex is on the menu night one. You can't be explicit tho. Lots of this discussed on the Seeking Arrangements thread. But in brief I describe how I want a "complete date". And that means dinner and drinks and if we really like each other then (choose your favorite words below):

We go private.

We have some intimate time.

We have some adult time.

And ask if that sounds good to her. Usually yes I mean they are on SA for a reason. After she says yes ask her if she has some allowance or gift in mind.

Never explicitly say sex or imply sex for money or you are done.

Thanks for the info Steve.

I have been having a look at the girls on Seeking benefits, and I am not impressed. I like women of colour, so the Arabs and the Latinos stood out a little, but I sense a lot of girls were chancing their luck. Many were just ugly.

Personally, I don't see a benefit to SB over normal escorts, and if you're an older man that is a bit out of shape, hit the gym. Some guys relish the chase, but I am not one of them. My two cents.

[Steve 9696]

Hello Jackpot, this is also directed to Steve 9696.

Please can you give me a rundown of how the date looks like. I would suspect that you and the SB meet up for dinner, drinks etc. Are the SB willing to sleep with you on the first date, or do you have to spend a bit more time with them?

Once you have slept with a SB is it a requirement that you keep spending money on her since your now in some kind of relationship?

You said the market rate is about 250-400 is the for everything? Or just the encounter itself? One benefit is that they don't charge by the hour, so won't be clock watching.

Do you have to take them out or can you just invite them around?

Any information would much appreciated.

How the date goes and whether you have sex night 1 is a lot up to you and the girl. Some guys do the meet and greet. And then set something up. I don't. Kind of out of necessity because I am short time in a city I make it clear sex is on the menu night one. You can't be explicit tho. Lots of this discussed on the Seeking Arrangements thread. But in brief I describe how I want a "complete date". And that means dinner and drinks and if we really like each other then (choose your favorite words below):

We go private.

We have some intimate time.

We have some adult time.

And ask if that sounds good to her. Usually yes — I mean they are on SA for a reason. After she says yes ask her if she has some allowance or gift in mind.

Never explicitly say sex or imply sex for money or you are done.

[ThePenetrator]

I'm a long term London resident and enjoy meeting WGs, especially girls who are relatively new to the game. The pandemic stopped new girls coming to the scene in London and I found a new hunting ground to find semi-pros and complete amateur girls.

There are plenty of web-sites for such game, and the ones I used are, secret benefit dot com, and, seeking dot com. Technically this is for paid sex, but girls in those sites are looking for sugar daddy, and the ones I met are all in their 20's, either student or working for junior job and looking for some financial support, or someone who takes them for shopping.

As they are not pro, they pick and chose men so this means men need some effort, communication skills, luck and patience. In my experience, it's all worth it. The market rate I found are somewhere between 250 and 400. During the lockdown, I got a number of girls came to my flat in central London, and we spent entire evening. Some came back and stayed over night with the same offer, and more than anything, they are not real WG which is always great.

Has anyone tried this before? It's not guaranteed and requires your time and effort, but I don't think I'll ever use escort as this new find is much, much better overall experience.

Hello Jackpot, this is also directed to Steve 9696.

Please can you give me a rundown of how the date looks like. I would suspect that you and the SB meet up for dinner, drinks etc. Are the SB willing to sleep with you on the first date, or do you have to spend a bit more time with them?

Once you have slept with a SB is it a requirement that you keep spending money on her since your now in some kind of relationship?

You said the market rate is about 250-400 is the for everything? Or just the encounter itself? One benefit is that they don't charge by the hour, so won't be clock watching.

Do you have to take them out or can you just invite them around?

Any information would much appreciated.

[ThePenetrator]

I'm a long term London resident and enjoy meeting WGs, especially girls who are relatively new to the game. The pandemic stopped new girls coming to the scene in London and I found a new hunting ground to find semi-pros and complete amateur girls.

There are plenty of web-sites for such game, and the ones I used are, secret benefit dot com, and, seeking dot com. Technically this is for paid sex, but girls in those sites are looking for sugar daddy, and the ones I met are all in their 20's, either student or working for junior job and looking for some financial support, or someone who takes them for shopping.

As they are not pro, they pick and chose men so this means men need some effort, communication skills, luck and patience. In my experience, it's all worth it. The market rate I found are somewhere between 250 and 400. During the lockdown, I got a number of girls came to my flat in central London, and we spent entire evening. Some came back and stayed over night with the same offer, and more than anything, they are not real WG which is always great.

Has anyone tried this before? It's not guaranteed and requires your time and effort, but I don't think I'll ever use escort as this new find is much, much better overall experience.

Hello Jackpot,

This is also directed to Steve 9696.

Please can you give me a rundown of how the date looks like. I would suspect that you and the SB meet up for dinner, drinks etc. Are the SB willing to sleep with you on the first date, or do you have to spend a bit more time with them?

Once you have slept with a SB is it a requirement that you keep spending money on her since your now in some kind of relationship?

You said the market rate is about 250-400 is the for everything? Or just the encounter itself? One benefit is that they don't charge by the hour, so won't be clock watching.

Do you have to take them out or can you just invite them around?

Any information would much appreciated.

[Steve 9696]

Does Melty like gin?

Well unfortunately I was not her SD for the last 5 months so I don't know. When I had the duo with Melty and Pantera (perhaps the best two hours of my life!) I brought a Rose and a Pink Champagne. They chose the Rose which we killed along with half of the Champagne (killed the remainder in a solo nooner with Melty the next day). So that's my only data. I would say based on my experience with numerous girls in London and elsewhere (I know you are super experienced also) Rose is always a sure bet.

[Turgid]

Apparently Melty is back in London at Diva after 5 months off jet setting with a Sugar Daddy. Melty is gods gift to man. A beautiful playful vixen of a girl. I feel privileged to have sampled her twice. I strongly recommend you see her before she gets away again.

P.S. - Melty loves to share some Rose. She gets super playful and sex kitten like as she drinks. Bring a bottle and don't look back!

Does Melty like gin?

[Downandup]

Apparently Melty is back in London at Diva after 5 months off jet setting with a Sugar Daddy. Melty is gods gift to man. A beautiful playful vixen of a girl. I feel privileged to have sampled her twice. I strongly recommend you see her before she gets away again.

P.S. - Melty loves to share some Rose. She gets super playful and sex kitten like as she drinks. Bring a bottle and don't look back!

Very nice despite the tattoos.

[Steve 9696]

Apparently Melty is back in London at Diva after 5 months off jet setting with a Sugar Daddy. Melty is gods gift to man. A beautiful playful vixen of a girl. I feel privileged to have sampled her twice. I strongly recommend you see her before she gets away again.

P.S. - Melty loves to share some Rose. She gets super playful and sex kitten like as she drinks. Bring a bottle and don't look back!

[Steve 9696]

I'm a long term London resident and enjoy meeting WGs, especially girls who are relatively new to the game. The pandemic stopped new girls coming to the scene in London and I found a new hunting ground to find semi-pros and complete amateur girls.

There are plenty of web-sites for such game, and the ones I used are, secret benefit dot com, and, seeking dot com. Technically this is for paid sex, but girls in those sites are looking for sugar daddy, and the ones I met are all in their 20's, either student or working for junior job and looking for some financial support, or someone who takes them for shopping.

As they are not pro, they pick and chose men so this means men need some effort, communication skills, luck and patience. In my experience, it's all worth it. The market rate I found are somewhere between 250 and 400. During the lockdown, I got a number of girls came to my flat in central London, and we spent entire evening. Some came back and stayed over night with the same offer, and more than anything, they are not real WG which is always great.

Has anyone tried this before? It's not guaranteed and requires your time and effort, but I don't think I'll ever use escort as this new find is much, much better overall experience.

I'm happy to share my experience and tips here. I'm hearing most of the girls get into this because they have friend who's done this and talk about their version of success stories, so if anyone in this forum get into this and make success, that will help more girls get into this game, which is a good thing for me.

I wouldn't worry about more men joining this game increase competition, as I somehow sense one success story will bring at least one, more likely two, girls get into this game as they talk about this to their friends much more than men do! Me? It's completely discrete and haven't told anyone, hence sharing this here as I can't keep this for myself!

Yes you have discovered a goldmine. If you like the "date" part as well as sex then SBs are awesome for this. It can be a lot of work to find the right ones (more so in the US). Even tho the escort options in London are awesome, my experience an SB will be about the same $$ for a full evening or night as an escort is per hour.

In London I've had a spectacular Viet for 250 (4. 5 hrs) and a Columbiana duo (two girls) for 400 (4 hrs).

The is now a thread for Sugar Babies with LOTS of information on this and some great stories. Go to the main page and then find Dating Agencies and then Seeking Arrangements. It's become a vibrant forum since it was started a few months ago.