Morocco

[Mattador]

Hi everybody

I've posted some weeks ago a report concerning Morocco under my name "Roger". I will try once more to fix some rules to help you to avoid such kind of bad experiences with girls.

Roger; the information you provide is invaluable, but requires some language skills, patience and a good in-advance preparation which most business travellers lack given their limited time in the city. At the end of the day I did not regret much the amount I paid. And frankly repeated the experience on my third and last night, this time for 1000 Dirhams + Room Cost. Please refer to my Night 2 report.

By the way, a colleague managed to get his girl registered in his room without any extra cost at the Sheraton. Does the hotel attitude depend on the receptionist, or rather the tip ?

[Roger Yahoo]

Hi everybody

I've posted some weeks ago a report concerning Morocco under my name "Roger". I will try once more to fix some rules to help you to avoid such kind of bad experiences with girls.

I am also a french contributor on the following forum: http://www.youppie.net/forum/index.php

If you would know some French it will be a great help to know how to deal with girls in Morocco!

My advice (once more):

-If you plan to take a girl to your hotel room (bad idea) you would have to pay a room for her. Alternative, you choose an hotel where the rates are below 800 DHR (you will find some). Better rent an appartment on www.homelidays.com or www.abritel. Fr. You will pay an average of 800. 1000 DHR/night for a nice flat with the advantage of taking the girl with you without problem (of course you will tipp the doorman, 50 DHR or cigarettes or both.).

-Avoid the discos (Cesar's, Black House, .) where tourists are going, you have seen the prices for the girls, 2000. 3000 DHR! The minimum salary (not respected), per month, is under 1800 DHR!

These places are foreseen for rich Saudi people who do not care about the prices and make the market down!

-Prefer to have a look during the end of the day ( 19:00 h) towards La Corniche (near the see) and try to get telephone numbers from the girls around. There you will find plenty of bars night-clubs and hotels.

-A very good place also to find out telephone numbers are the commercial centers in the city center (in front of the hotel Hyatt). Girls are open and sometimes happy to meet foreighners.

-Casablanca offers you also some restaurants where girls are waiting future customers. Idea is: enter the restaurant, choose a girl, eat with her, then do with her what you'd like to make. If I remember well a good one was the "Dauphin Bleu" near the city center. Ask a taxi driver, a one who knows the scene, do not forget to give him tipps, I am sure if he does not know he will know who to ask for.

Enjoy Morocco,

Roger

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[Mattador]

The Black House Disco has quite a few pros and semi-pros. I met a real stunner moroccan girl there the previous weekend with whom I had quite a nice chat for a while and we ended up kissing passionately on the couch upstairs (the place is 2 floors, and upstairs is more lounge-style). This was before we talked any money! When I invited her to my room, of course she asked for some financial support. 3000 Dirhams, which I easily negotiated down to 2000 and the deal is done. She invited me to her place, but I preferred the comfort of my hotel room. As expected, we were stopped by the security in front of the elevators, and then the moments of shame started. She needs to register, and needs a seperate room! 2500 Dirhams! This then went down to my corporate rate of 2000 Dirhams after few minutes of haggling, which at the end still makes the overall cost quite a high one. While I was still OK to pay it, she refused to produce her identity card for registration saying this will be a problem for her. F**k!

3am in the morning at the reception, me trying to convince her to register. The big and unforgettable moments of emberassment! It didn't work with her and we went back to the disco.

We chatted for some more while and she explained me her situation that she is married, her husband is out of town, and she came with a friend to have some fun! She just did not want to leave any trace behind by having officially registered at a hotel! And then she offerred me her girlfriend. 1000 Dirhams for the new girl who spoke no english and 1000 for her pimping! No, thanks!

I was so horny, pissed off and little drunk so I could do with anyone. Therefore picked a regular next-door type OK-looking girl who asked for 2000, but agreed to 1500 till noon-time. Good choice! She never acted like a pro. And she was pretty much into everything except A-level.

Overall cost was quite high : 2000 for her room, 1500 for her, another 1000 for drinks at the disco.

About the disco itself : It's quiet an upscale and nice place. The drinks are over-priced with beverages/beers starting from 130 Dirham - 11 euros. It opens at 11:30 but starts to get crowded around 1:30 only.

I wonder whether you need to be registered at the hotel to be able to get a 2nd room for the girl.

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[James02]

I have done some scouting around on the Internet, and found some people posting e mail address of guides offering there services.

But theses people wear not looking for sex in Moroco, and I'm not sure weather the guides would be obliged to give us a guided tour of the sex seen, therefor I am in two minds weather to post there contact details hear or not.

I don't fancy the idea of going to Moroco on my own, I would need a guide or to go with some one that has been before.

Any one idea it in mid Jan give me a shout.

[Jean Paul88]

Wasn't it much better when women could be beaten and made to stay in the kitchen barefeet to cook and clean for the children and the men?

What possible value could women bring to society when they are at work? Surely they can't be as intelligent and hardworking as men.

I wonder why it is that conservative and unemancipated countries all have lower standards of living and you see men whiling away their day smoking cigarettes and drinking coffees in cafes all day long? Guess they are not worried about losing their jobs (if they have any) to women.

Yep no value at all!

I want to stay on Topic in the Context of what the subject matter is of this Forum.

For me its about relationships with Men and Women and Sex. Directly related to this are Family Structures and getting Children (like it or not.), and I maintain that to that end, the emancipation movement of the last 30 Years has had NO VALUE in Western Countries.

Population growth is actually receding and declining. Emancipation has incrementally destroyed the relationships between Men and Women and consequently has divided and split up their Families, and made Children Fatherless. It has fostered and grown an exorbitant rate of divorce in Western Countries, actually a large portion of couples avoid marriage altogether, because they want to spare themselves the Trauma of a divorce. And as a consequence the Sexlife of many has suffered immensely and you have a large population inherently destabalized and emotionally impoverished who try to cope by abusing Drugs and Alcohol, becoming Workaholics, trying find compensatory satisfaction in buying numerous pairs of new Shoes in shopping Malls and running up the debt on their Credit Cards for which they have to subsequently pay the Interest (standard of living? ), instead of having a Sexlife and a happy Familylife.

[Laingdzei]

Wasn't it much better when women could be beaten and made to stay in the kitchen barefeet to cook and clean for the children and the men?

What possible value could women bring to society when they are at work? Surely they can't be as intelligent and hardworking as men.

I wonder why it is that conservative and unemancipated countries all have lower standards of living and you see men whiling away their day smoking cigarettes and drinking coffees in cafes all day long? Guess they are not worried about losing their jobs (if they have any) to women.

Yep no value at all!

[Jean Paul88]

Some general questions about Women in Morocco:

I have read elsewhere that Morocco has recently changed some Laws regarding Marriage/Divorce and Child support, can anyone knowledgable, give some Details about these changes and what they practically mean?

Have these changes any real bearing on the practical everyday situation and the general attitude?

Actually I used to like it there because it was conservative on emancipation issues.

Coming from the West I see no value in the emancipation movement of the last 30 years, it has lead to a destabilization and destruction of Families on a massiv scale.

What other northern middle east & African Countires can be recommended that are still on a more conservative schedule, regarding emancipation?

[James02]

Papi Chulo,

I did not say I wanted to hire a car, I said I wanted to hire a Camper Bus.

Do you realy belive that the whole desert is a militry camp set up by Bin Ladron.

[Laingdzei]

my personal point of view is very different than the previous poster. i am an expat living in morocco and i've drive cars from agadir to fes on small roads and highways and across the atlas to ouarzazate and around the gorges and the sand dunes. i also rode a bike around and i've never had the hint of a problem. the biggest hassle is probably parking in the cities. i also have many work colleagues who own cars and have rented cars and no one i know has had any major problems besides fender benders and 20-50 dirhams tips to greedy policemen who usually stopped them because they were speeding or doing something of the sort.

be prepared for very creative driving though, the rules of the road are very flexible here.

[PP Tous]

I should just keep my mouth shut, it's really none of my business. But did I read correctly, you want to rent a car in Maroc? I don't want to make Morocco sound bad, it isn't. It is a great place, a lot of fun. But hey, this is Morocco, not upstate New York! Ever heard of the Atlas Mtns? The Sahara desert? Camels? You definately don't want to be driving a car in the countryside of Morocco, honest. And even less, you don't want to be in the boonies and run into a control post of uniformed men. Maybe they are police, maybe militia, maybe something all together different, but they are definately not good for you and they will make life for your little white a*s very uncomfortable, contrary to what you may have read elsewhere!!!

Forget the car.

Pepe

[James02]

Now reading on it seams that having a hotel room is a bad idea and having read PT Tous report, it can be just as bad having an apartment.

When I had spoken with this Morocan guide many moons ago, he talked of taking the girls into the desert under the stars.

Wise idea, no one will bother you out in the middle of no-wear.

But you need a car, and reading some of the threds hear, having a car seams a good idea.

But why no just hire a van, and you can do your business in there, but hang on a moment would it be more logical to do away with the car van hotel apartment and just hire a camper van/bus, anything from a transit van size upwards has got to be cheaper and safer

Now about the money, prices seam to very, but the old story unless you are being ripped off you get what you pay for.

And it appears that a lot of people on this forum are successful business men with a bit of disposable income, and they are happy to pay a Little more for a professional service.

But what about if you are looking for as cheep as possible.

Dose anyone know of any one that has or any one that can put you in contact (I. E. Guide) with going direct to the family and paying them, an un-married girl cheep and sweet

And also what is the second language in Casa Blanca French or Spanish

I am planing a trip some time in January after Christmas when everything at work has gone quiet.

If any one fancies hooking up for a beer/smoke and more, let me know

James

[PP Tous]

In this forum you will find everything you need to know about Marocco. Where to find entertainment, how much to pay, where to sleep, which cities offer what. But still guys are posting stupid questions. Once again, here is the low-down about Maroc:

- Wow! A great place! Great people! Great food! Cheap!

- You don't speak French or Arabic? Find a different destination.

- Keep a low profile. The police take tips, but nonetheless.

- The people are proud and mongering is not appreciated.

- Entertainment should be reimbursed at MAD 250-500 night. If you hear of a moron paying more than that, please report him immediately to the local police for execution.

- When should you visit this great country? Don't go two weeks before Ramadan, during Ramadan, or several days after the end of Ramadan.

- Need a place to sleep? For our hobby, only option are apartments. Ask anybody sitting on a chair in front of a building if they have something. If they don't have one, they know somebody who does. Don't be surprised if the family leaves so you can move in for a few days. An apt. Costs about MAD 400-600 a day for two to three bedrooms, kithchen, salon, bath. Often you will have to pay in advance, but try to pay daily. You may have to suddenly flee the town you are in. Figure out how to discretely ask if you may have visitors and don't be surprised if some people react disgusted and chase you away with a long rusty sword.

- Where is the entertainment? Maroc is poor. The women gorgeous! Really. If you know how to monger, just smile at the women anywhere. Soon you will be on your way. Otherwise, try to find a tea room, go in, and if you see a couple of girls sitting together, take a seat and order. It won't go long and they will be smiling at you, and will probably join you at the table.

- Protect the women! Woman are disposed of properly if they are known prostitutes, don't contribute to this problem. Don't go out in public with any girl.

- Smoke. Yes, Maroc has wonderful smoke. Send your girl after it. The price varies greatly, quality too. Locals pay about MAD 15-20, you will pay as much as six to seven times that if you don't have a good contact.

Have fun, and read the reports further back in the forum!

Happy Mongering,

Pepe

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[James02]

having read part of this thred now i have highlighted some hot spots for maroco, please let me know if any of this is fails.

agadir
marrakech
casa
tanger
rabat
fes
guéliz cant find a map
abuja cant find on the map
macumba cant find on the map

i have found some info on the internet, so hear it is

tangier. when charm fades

falling in love with tangier is not all that easy. while moroccan tourist police in recent years have cracked down on unpleasant guiding, nothing has changed in tangier, and the strong ties between the police, local authorities and the local mafia makes tangier a difficult port for travellers with no earlier morocco experience. fortunately, tangier is still less dangerous than the south of spain, which is only an hour of ferry ride away.

the anarchy of tangier has many faces: when the sun sets the city is turned into a city which can be unsafe, quite different from the rest of morocco. and handicrafts in tangier are far more expensive than elsewhere in morocco, where things to a certain extent is under official control.

the town beach is profoundly filthy, while other main beaches in morocco has an administration which cleans the sand on a regular basis. kids beg for money on every corner, and "official" guides pester you everywhere.

but if you are of the relaxed type, or if you have already been around morocco for a bit, tangier is definately worth a visit. there is a lot to see around here, the city is lively, and if you jump into a taxi clean and beautiful beaches are 10 minutes away. and tangier still carries the aura of being a a celebrities' magnet and of once having been under international administration.

and do not forget: tangier is the real model for the famous american film "casablanca" with humphrey bogart and ingrid bergman.

unpleasant guiding must be sex torists

i think this place is unsafe,

agadir. laid-back boulevards

agadir is very different from any other city in morocco. built next to a tragedy – the earthquake of 1961 that killed 15,000 – it exhibits a totally different city culture and architecture from the rest of the country.

agadir was, and continued to be a favourite tourist destination. so it is no wonder that it was the needs of tourists which more than any other thing made the street wide and straight, houses low and minimalistic and which placed hotels between the city and the beach.

some people hate agadir because there is very little that happens automatically here, while others find it all very attractive. one thing is definatly true: for every year that pass, streets become more and more lively, and more and more moroccan elements move in where minimalist white houses before have dominated.

casablanca. time did go by

if the hollywood image of 'casablanca' is important to you, prepare for a shock from casablanca. the city is further away from oriental romanticism than any other in morocco, and casablanca is a modern city — and beautiful in its own respect.

the centre of casablanca is fairly impressive. it's brand modern, with big, lively boulevards, high, white, well-kept buildings. and it's clean and efficient. people visiting casablanca as their first city, could easily end up hating this place: there are few things here confirming the newcomers conception on the orient. but for people having visited other parts of morocco first, casablanca is good! the city is modern in a moroccan way, and an excellent example of moroccans capacity of taking charge of the future of their country.

but as soon as you step out of the impressive centre of town, dark clouds cover the realities of people here. extreme poverty and prostitution only to be matched by tangier <tangier.htm> is what you'll find without even looking for it. no other place in the country displays bigger differences between the haves and the have-nots.

if anything in casablanca should fit the casablanca of bergman and bogart, it should be the old city. it's small, consisting mainly of smaller houses, which all seem to be from this century, and the alleyways dominating in other old cities, are rarely found here. there is a good market here, but look around before you buy, shop keepers here know their skills. some thousand people live here, and in one or two spots, true beauty occurs.

extreme poverty and prostitution, sounds like a good deal for a tener, and plenty of suply

marrakech. the other morocco

marrakech is not only a fantastic city, it is also a symbol of the morocco that once was, and which still survives here. the streets of the old and pink city have been too narrow to allow the introduction of cars, and tourists searching for the "real" morocco have turned the medieval structures of marrakech into good business.

the hordes of tourists that come here all through the year have still not managed to change its character. actually their high number contribute in a postive way to preserve one of the greatest monuments of the morocco that once was. and the people of marrakech love their city even more, and moroccans all over the country would not let down an opportunity of visiting it.

the most worthwhile tourist traps are collected inside a rather small zone, starting in the north with the suuqs <marrakech08.htm>, continuing through the town square of jemaa l-fna <marrakech01.htm> with its crowd of storytellers, musicians and the koutoubia mosque <marrakech15.htm> which is visible from practically anywhere in marrakech.

going beyond this, the menara gardens <marrakech14.htm>- by young marrakechians considered as the most romantic place in town- is high up on the list. but don't forget to visit one of the many examples of sights left by the many europeans and americans who fell so much in love with marrakech that they erected their palaces and gardens <marrakech16.htm> here.

rabat. capital in blue and white

rabat opens up only slowly to you. at the first day of your first arrival you will discover that there is another atmosphere here, and compared to other moroccan cities people are a bit shy and don't start talking to you easily. somehow, they don't care about you.

walking your lonely walks around town, the many gems of a capital of a magic country reveals themselves to you. and it isn't always the things that are first seen that will keep your eyes entertained.

modern rabat is clean and open, perhaps a bit too open during the summer heat. but around it, there are both old muslim quarters as well as beautiful remains from all periods of moroccan history.

fez. city of the endless mosque

the capital of morocco for all together more than 400 years, home of the oldest university of the country and the leading cultural and religious centre. fez is also the home of the oldest an largest medieval city in the world, a city that is almost unchanged through the modern ages and still most definately alive.

fez was founded in 789 at a place between the mountains where the river was flushing by. history has provided the city with long periods of hardship, but fez has never died. today it has its own culture, pride, art and even cuisine.

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so for me looking at the above, casablanka looks the best spot for a sex torist
with a name like casa blanka, one would presume they speek castiliano and not french.

but it would still help to be able to speek a little french before i go anywear in moroco.

does any one know wear i can download a french-english talking diconary

p.s. sorry about spelling, spell cheque is not working at the moment.

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[Peter 989]

1. One of the previous posts mentioned: that it is a good idea to have a Car. I have read and heard many times that private Cars never get stopped. (Can anyone verify that? ) If that is really the case, then for Europeans it would make sense to drive to Morocco with their own Car. You wouldn't have to go thru the hassle of finding & Renting an appropriate and probably bloody expensive Appartment, you could just lay the Chicks on the Backseat of your hopefully spacious Car. And you have the additional benefit of being much more Mobile, and you can move around easier and faster.

2. Some of the prices quoted here, are really absolutely rediculous. To spend 100-200 € on some chick is IMHO a really stupid thing to do. If you learn some of the language, and do your homework I think it can even be had for free, or bring just some small Gifts. The kind of stuff Girls like and need. I think that in Morocco 1 Dirham is like 1 Euro is in Europe, its a Purchasing Power issue. If you are paying in Dollars or Euros as much as you would pay in Europe, then I think YOU are making a mistake. If you give a chick between 150 and 250 (max 300) Dirham she is doing damm good for herself. Frankly I could care less if she spends the whole night, I probably will only want her for one Hour maybe two Hours, so there is no way I would pay her for a whole night. If she dosen't like that, tuff. I would just walk away. There are plenty of other Girls. Of course everything will always depend on where you shop, in the Intercontinental Hotel Bar you will pay Business Class prices, but this is the same all over the World.

[Machito 2]

Dear friends,

Could anyone help me find brothels, preferably in Fes and Casablanca? I seek girls and voluptuous women.

Thank you.