Morocco

[PP Tous]

In this forum you will find everything you need to know about Marocco. Where to find entertainment, how much to pay, where to sleep, which cities offer what. But still guys are posting stupid questions. Once again, here is the low-down about Maroc:

- Wow! A great place! Great people! Great food! Cheap!

- You don't speak French or Arabic? Find a different destination.

- Keep a low profile. The police take tips, but nonetheless.

- The people are proud and mongering is not appreciated.

- Entertainment should be reimbursed at MAD 250-500 night. If you hear of a moron paying more than that, please report him immediately to the local police for execution.

- When should you visit this great country? Don't go two weeks before Ramadan, during Ramadan, or several days after the end of Ramadan.

- Need a place to sleep? For our hobby, only option are apartments. Ask anybody sitting on a chair in front of a building if they have something. If they don't have one, they know somebody who does. Don't be surprised if the family leaves so you can move in for a few days. An apt. Costs about MAD 400-600 a day for two to three bedrooms, kithchen, salon, bath. Often you will have to pay in advance, but try to pay daily. You may have to suddenly flee the town you are in. Figure out how to discretely ask if you may have visitors and don't be surprised if some people react disgusted and chase you away with a long rusty sword.

- Where is the entertainment? Maroc is poor. The women gorgeous! Really. If you know how to monger, just smile at the women anywhere. Soon you will be on your way. Otherwise, try to find a tea room, go in, and if you see a couple of girls sitting together, take a seat and order. It won't go long and they will be smiling at you, and will probably join you at the table.

- Protect the women! Woman are disposed of properly if they are known prostitutes, don't contribute to this problem. Don't go out in public with any girl.

- Smoke. Yes, Maroc has wonderful smoke. Send your girl after it. The price varies greatly, quality too. Locals pay about MAD 15-20, you will pay as much as six to seven times that if you don't have a good contact.

Have fun, and read the reports further back in the forum!

Happy Mongering,

Pepe

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[James02]

having read part of this thred now i have highlighted some hot spots for maroco, please let me know if any of this is fails.

agadir
marrakech
casa
tanger
rabat
fes
guéliz cant find a map
abuja cant find on the map
macumba cant find on the map

i have found some info on the internet, so hear it is

tangier. when charm fades

falling in love with tangier is not all that easy. while moroccan tourist police in recent years have cracked down on unpleasant guiding, nothing has changed in tangier, and the strong ties between the police, local authorities and the local mafia makes tangier a difficult port for travellers with no earlier morocco experience. fortunately, tangier is still less dangerous than the south of spain, which is only an hour of ferry ride away.

the anarchy of tangier has many faces: when the sun sets the city is turned into a city which can be unsafe, quite different from the rest of morocco. and handicrafts in tangier are far more expensive than elsewhere in morocco, where things to a certain extent is under official control.

the town beach is profoundly filthy, while other main beaches in morocco has an administration which cleans the sand on a regular basis. kids beg for money on every corner, and "official" guides pester you everywhere.

but if you are of the relaxed type, or if you have already been around morocco for a bit, tangier is definately worth a visit. there is a lot to see around here, the city is lively, and if you jump into a taxi clean and beautiful beaches are 10 minutes away. and tangier still carries the aura of being a a celebrities' magnet and of once having been under international administration.

and do not forget: tangier is the real model for the famous american film "casablanca" with humphrey bogart and ingrid bergman.

unpleasant guiding must be sex torists

i think this place is unsafe,

agadir. laid-back boulevards

agadir is very different from any other city in morocco. built next to a tragedy – the earthquake of 1961 that killed 15,000 – it exhibits a totally different city culture and architecture from the rest of the country.

agadir was, and continued to be a favourite tourist destination. so it is no wonder that it was the needs of tourists which more than any other thing made the street wide and straight, houses low and minimalistic and which placed hotels between the city and the beach.

some people hate agadir because there is very little that happens automatically here, while others find it all very attractive. one thing is definatly true: for every year that pass, streets become more and more lively, and more and more moroccan elements move in where minimalist white houses before have dominated.

casablanca. time did go by

if the hollywood image of 'casablanca' is important to you, prepare for a shock from casablanca. the city is further away from oriental romanticism than any other in morocco, and casablanca is a modern city — and beautiful in its own respect.

the centre of casablanca is fairly impressive. it's brand modern, with big, lively boulevards, high, white, well-kept buildings. and it's clean and efficient. people visiting casablanca as their first city, could easily end up hating this place: there are few things here confirming the newcomers conception on the orient. but for people having visited other parts of morocco first, casablanca is good! the city is modern in a moroccan way, and an excellent example of moroccans capacity of taking charge of the future of their country.

but as soon as you step out of the impressive centre of town, dark clouds cover the realities of people here. extreme poverty and prostitution only to be matched by tangier <tangier.htm> is what you'll find without even looking for it. no other place in the country displays bigger differences between the haves and the have-nots.

if anything in casablanca should fit the casablanca of bergman and bogart, it should be the old city. it's small, consisting mainly of smaller houses, which all seem to be from this century, and the alleyways dominating in other old cities, are rarely found here. there is a good market here, but look around before you buy, shop keepers here know their skills. some thousand people live here, and in one or two spots, true beauty occurs.

extreme poverty and prostitution, sounds like a good deal for a tener, and plenty of suply

marrakech. the other morocco

marrakech is not only a fantastic city, it is also a symbol of the morocco that once was, and which still survives here. the streets of the old and pink city have been too narrow to allow the introduction of cars, and tourists searching for the "real" morocco have turned the medieval structures of marrakech into good business.

the hordes of tourists that come here all through the year have still not managed to change its character. actually their high number contribute in a postive way to preserve one of the greatest monuments of the morocco that once was. and the people of marrakech love their city even more, and moroccans all over the country would not let down an opportunity of visiting it.

the most worthwhile tourist traps are collected inside a rather small zone, starting in the north with the suuqs <marrakech08.htm>, continuing through the town square of jemaa l-fna <marrakech01.htm> with its crowd of storytellers, musicians and the koutoubia mosque <marrakech15.htm> which is visible from practically anywhere in marrakech.

going beyond this, the menara gardens <marrakech14.htm>- by young marrakechians considered as the most romantic place in town- is high up on the list. but don't forget to visit one of the many examples of sights left by the many europeans and americans who fell so much in love with marrakech that they erected their palaces and gardens <marrakech16.htm> here.

rabat. capital in blue and white

rabat opens up only slowly to you. at the first day of your first arrival you will discover that there is another atmosphere here, and compared to other moroccan cities people are a bit shy and don't start talking to you easily. somehow, they don't care about you.

walking your lonely walks around town, the many gems of a capital of a magic country reveals themselves to you. and it isn't always the things that are first seen that will keep your eyes entertained.

modern rabat is clean and open, perhaps a bit too open during the summer heat. but around it, there are both old muslim quarters as well as beautiful remains from all periods of moroccan history.

fez. city of the endless mosque

the capital of morocco for all together more than 400 years, home of the oldest university of the country and the leading cultural and religious centre. fez is also the home of the oldest an largest medieval city in the world, a city that is almost unchanged through the modern ages and still most definately alive.

fez was founded in 789 at a place between the mountains where the river was flushing by. history has provided the city with long periods of hardship, but fez has never died. today it has its own culture, pride, art and even cuisine.

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so for me looking at the above, casablanka looks the best spot for a sex torist
with a name like casa blanka, one would presume they speek castiliano and not french.

but it would still help to be able to speek a little french before i go anywear in moroco.

does any one know wear i can download a french-english talking diconary

p.s. sorry about spelling, spell cheque is not working at the moment.

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[Peter 989]

1. One of the previous posts mentioned: that it is a good idea to have a Car. I have read and heard many times that private Cars never get stopped. (Can anyone verify that? ) If that is really the case, then for Europeans it would make sense to drive to Morocco with their own Car. You wouldn't have to go thru the hassle of finding & Renting an appropriate and probably bloody expensive Appartment, you could just lay the Chicks on the Backseat of your hopefully spacious Car. And you have the additional benefit of being much more Mobile, and you can move around easier and faster.

2. Some of the prices quoted here, are really absolutely rediculous. To spend 100-200 € on some chick is IMHO a really stupid thing to do. If you learn some of the language, and do your homework I think it can even be had for free, or bring just some small Gifts. The kind of stuff Girls like and need. I think that in Morocco 1 Dirham is like 1 Euro is in Europe, its a Purchasing Power issue. If you are paying in Dollars or Euros as much as you would pay in Europe, then I think YOU are making a mistake. If you give a chick between 150 and 250 (max 300) Dirham she is doing damm good for herself. Frankly I could care less if she spends the whole night, I probably will only want her for one Hour maybe two Hours, so there is no way I would pay her for a whole night. If she dosen't like that, tuff. I would just walk away. There are plenty of other Girls. Of course everything will always depend on where you shop, in the Intercontinental Hotel Bar you will pay Business Class prices, but this is the same all over the World.

[Machito 2]

Dear friends,

Could anyone help me find brothels, preferably in Fes and Casablanca? I seek girls and voluptuous women.

Thank you.

[Toperharrier]

So, can anyone give me an advice about the hotel to stay? Im looking Salazur and Intercontinental in some trip offers, are they any good to hunt girls on disco? many problem to get them to your room?

thanks in advance

[William07]

After reading some of the reports of people being followed with lady-friends back to apartments by upset locals, it sounds best to choose a flat location wisely.

I'm having some trouble finding flats through Abritel.fr in Gueliz, as was recommended by some on this thread. Can anyone tell me if the entire Ville Nouvelle is a good, safe area? Are there other part of the city that you would recommend? Any other sites worth searching?

Also, I will be arriving in Marrakesh on Oct 6th if anyone is up for a night out!

[James02]

Having read part of this thread now, I’m a little confused as to the prices of Morocco Or is it just the haggle and the faggle.

But I hear people bragging about getting a service for 12 bucks.

Can you rely get a good night with a girl for $12.

Also I have not heard/seen on this thread ‘guide’ services.

Does any one know of any and the prices.

I year ago now I met a Moroccan that was a guide in Morocco.

He talked about storrys, saying you can pay the equivalent of 2 euros.

Reply greatly appreciated.

James

[VatosLocos]

Yeah thats why I am going on 23rd October.

[Kut Land]

But I suggest to dont go now, because Muslim countries has Ramadan.

Traditional mounth every year. It ends about 15th Okt.

[Abzsafado]

Hi,

I am visiting Agadir and Marrakech at the end of the month. Can anyone give me some advise on places where I can find sex services.

Thanks

In Agadir just about anywhere. I havent been for about a year but last time I was there you could get girls on the beach and nearly all the clubs. Some real stunners too. I can't recall the names of all the clubs but there was an irish bar that was a good place to start the night. Moroccan girls are amongst the friendliest and sexiest I have met. Never had a bad time there, all very very enthusiastic.

[VatosLocos]

Wow Roger, thx for that extensive and great report, as I am visiting Marrakech in okt (23rd-30th) I will be checking out your places and also will put a report here. Any chance of you being there during my stay? We could bet together for some drink (s) and more.

Well unfortunately I did book a riad in the Medina but well what can you do. I will just be carefull and use your tips about general public conduct.

About the prices I also heard cheaper prices, any idea if thats true? Or does it depend on your skills to negotiate.

And can you explain the Mc Donalds " thing" how does it work out to pick up women there. And what are chances of meeting amateurs or " normal" girls.

Thx again man

Greets Vatosss

[Roger Yahoo]

Hi

First of all: If you would like to know more about Morocco, there is plenty of information on the Forum "Youppie.net" where I also publish my reports: http://www.youppie.net/forum/index.php, unfortunately in French!

I thought it could be maybe useful for the English speakers to have a translation of my reports. Please find below the most important things, in my opinion, you should know about Morocco:

Just back from Marrakech because the Ramadan is starting today and it's a bit more complicate with girls during this time!

I'd like to give you some advises in this report, I go to Marrakech since 1992, a couple of times/year, I play golf and a lot of other nice things.

I am French and of course it's, I would say, mandatory, if you plan to spend some holidays in this nice country, to SPEAK some FRENCH!

Very, very few girls speak English, in Marrakech (I do not know the situation in Tanger or Rabat) but if you are lucky you can maybe meet a student from the University looking for some tips to buy the latest Ericsson handy, but once more you should be very lucky!

First of all regarding accommodation, avoid hotels because, depending the rate of the hotel, you will have to pay for a separate room for your girl (some hotels do not accept girls, especially if the location "Marrakech" is written on her identity card) and sometimes waiting your keys when some families are around you it's a bit annoying, I used to feel sometimes very uncomfortable!

Prefer to rent a flat, some good links to rent are: www.homelidays.com and www.abritel.fr, or http://www.locations-france.com/sear...ang=fr&lien=MA. A nice apartment in Guéliz (the modern part of the town) is around 60 to 80 Euros a day for a double bedroom and air conditioned. Avoid the medina and its riads because during the evening it's dangerous to walk with a girl, the police can stop you and ask for tips ($$!)

My tip: avoid to rent a flat from Moroccan local people (you can check the contact name on the web site and you should be able to make the difference between an Arabic name and an European one). Prefer owner like French, Belgian,…you would avoid bad surprise, believe me!

Girls:

You will find plenty of nice girls in Marrakech. Some people reported in this Forum that police is stricter with girls than before, I mean the beginning of 2007. It's true but if you respect some rules it should be OK for you (maybe not for your girlfriend !!)

Rules:

• Be discrete because police is everywhere and will look at you if you take your date hand's in your hand, avoid such kind of behaviour (day/night)!

• Be careful when you go out of the disco, go alone, not with your new girlfriend, make your deal inside (place where you live,…way to find out your apartment)

• Never take your date in your taxi (night)! She has to take another one (fare: 100 DHR max. during the night) !!

• Tips your apartment's doorman when you arrive (> 50 DHR) and buy sometimes cigarettes

• Avoid going in your apartment with a lot of girls, better give your address and wait in your flat

• Avoid noise in your apartment with your girl(s), your neighbour could be Moroccan and it could be the beginning of your problems!!

• Best tip: Rent a car ( around 300 DHR a day) and avoid taxis

Some place to start enjoying in the afternoon (>14:00)

• Café "Boule de Neige", in front of the café Atlas in Guéliz

• The 3 cafés located just on the side (main road) of The Palais des Congrès (Hermitage area)

• "Mc Donald" in front of the main post office (not the one on Casablanca's road!)

Before disco (>22:00)

• Bar at the Hotel Royal Mirage, located on the airport road or at the end of l'Avenue de France.

• Bar at the resto Le Comptoir (Hivernage area)

• Jazz at Le Monte Cristo, groundfloor, (Guéliz)

• Have a look in Cabaret "Le Charleston", near café Atlas, downstairs, just to see a typical local!

Disco (>1:30)

• Le Diamant Noir on the Mohammed's VI avenue, near hotel Le Marrakech  nice Jung girls, sometimes shy, good music, my best choice!

• Le Paradise, (Kempinski's disco, old name: Hotel Royal Mansur)  Nice girls, more expensive, sometimes strange men and disgusting atmosphere, especially when congres are taking place!

• Cabaret "Alcazar" from hotel Atlas Asni on Avenue de France  local people, very nice atmosphere after 4:00, local girls, you can make good negotiation

• Le Monte Cristo (1st floor), Guéliz, nice girls, expensive and sometimes promising much more than they do really once in the room (the professionalism is missing)

• Le Théatro, near the Casino (Hivernage area)  a bit noisy, especially if you do not understand French  but sometimes lots of nice girls

Gift, how much?? (rate: 100 Euros = 1000 DHR)

Difficult to say because it is sometimes not only a question of money with Moroccan girls, the way you go with her could make some differences. In average do not tip more than 1200 DHR for the night! The average monthly salary is around 2000 DHR. I used to see strange Italian people in The Paradise who used to give to some girls 3000 DHR for a couple of hours, crazy!!
During the day, 500 DHR is a good price to start activities

Some words about Casablanca

Casa is also a good city to find out nice girls, they are plenty of discos in the biggest hotels of the city. Towards the see, La Corniche is also a nice area to find cabarets and discos with plenty of girls.

Police is cooler than Marrakech, I never had problem with the police in this city.
Use the same links to find out a flat to rent.

Enjoy it,

Roger

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[Stano]

Does anyone have Info on Tanger?

if you understand french there is some good and recent reviews about tanger on the french forum www.youppie.net

[Marco Porteño]

Does anyone have Info on Tanger?

Try Club 555, a disco, or in front of Hotel Lutecia. Both places have a lot of non/semi/real pros. Probably you need to speak the local lingo but I'm not sure. Sorry, I don't have any further details. Please post your experiences once you get there !

[Mobi833]

Does anyone have Info on Tanger?