Morocco

[Justme]

PP tous,

Your are right. never, never,NEVER, pay more than 4-500 DH for the night. Don't spoil the market. you will not get any better service if you pay more. I know from experience.

For the specials products, I don't use them but I know that the price is quite cheap and the quality very good, but for personal use only. Do not try to do business if you know what I mean.

Merlin

[PP Tous]

Surfer,

The smoke is great in Maroc, as I have written so many times. The girls are great too. Actually, Maroc is a fantastic place! Everybody should go, there is so much to see and enjoy. But please, don't pay more than 4-500 dirham for the night, PLEASE....

Is smoke safer than prostitution? OK, the police do their job, are paid bad to do it, and are exploitable. This leads to the obvious, use common sense when in trouble. Even better, don't get your self into trouble. That is the best suggestion.

If you like the smoke, there's no problem in your apt. Scams everywhere though, no chance to just buy it on the streets, that's a guaranteed rip-off. But the sweetheart who is giving you a BJ will get you good stuff because she wants your business to continue. The normal price is about 1 euro/gramm. You will only get the normal price if you are very familiar with Maroc. That's just the way it is. But if you give your girl 150 dirham, you should get a nice piece and she will keep the change. Look at it as charity, and it's still not much money.

See you guys out front of McDonalds!

Pepe

[Justme]

Hello everybody,

I am just back from casa. I heard about the Belgel scandal but the ladies are not afraid for doing business.

If you act like a king you will be treated like a king and it's not a $$ question.

The real problem is coming from two sources. The no.1 is the us visitors who, as soon as they get off the plane, whant a BJ on the road (well, almost...). some ask the taxi driver to find a s**T, and they don t care about discretion. They just want arab pussy. This is increasing the pressure on the industry.

The second source is coming from the gulf. The Saudis and their friends are becoming showmans and they bring attention on the hobby.

Finally, do not spoil the market. Never pay much than 200MD for a short time and 500MD for the night.

In the short term I suggest to avoid Morroco. It is not a sex destination actually. Wait at least after Ramadan.

Good luck to all and feel free to pm if you need more info.

[Wood49]

Sorry guys, but Agadir is not the archetype of a poor town as can be some townships of Soweto, Bombay or Calcuta. Most of the girls Belguel had were educated and sometimes married.

The medium salary in Morocco for the lucky people who has a work is 150euros each month. This can explain that the girls for 50 are ready to do a lot of things.

And some times de family knows and is happy to receive this complement of finance help.

[Zouk Love]

Sorry guys, but Agadir is not the archetype of a poor town as can be some townships of Soweto, Bombay or Calcuta. Most of the girls Belguel had were educated and sometimes married.

[Surfer]

Buying and smoke hash is safer than patronizing hookers? Do the police search you at times? Curious as i hear many stories of people getting set up by Maroc police. Thanks.

[Grey Soul 15]

Grey Soul, it may be a bit of a stretch to expect these girls to carry your sophisticated first world powers of logic and reasoning into their world, but you may be in for a shock to find that many girls from 3rd world countries may have little knowledge and experience of the (relatively new) age of the internet and may not ponder the implications of what ultimately may happen to their photos. For all they know, they could logically have thought their pictures were taken as personal mementos from a 'genuine' admirer.

Ciao

I would call the expectation that explicit digital photo's could be spread around and seen by other's basic common sense not sophisticated logic. I'm sorry but I refuse to share your view that these women are poor third world peasants in need of our help and protection because they are incapable of leading their own lives. Although these women are at an economic and educational disadvantage they still remain sovereign individuals capable of making their own choices. With the freedom of choice comes the burden of personal responsibility. If I choose to go to Morocco to look for cheap sex and I get caught by the police or catch AIDS then I must deal with the consequences of my actions. Likewise if one of these girls' decides to have sex with a foreigner and lets him take pictures either for money or for a chance at a better life down the road then she must deal with the consequences of her actions whether those consequences are good or bad.

As for your comment that Moroccan people don’t have any experience with the internet or the digital world that is simply not true. I have stayed for quite a few months in Morocco and every town that I have been to has multiple internet cafes' filled with Moroccans using the internet. That includes the small towns. Also every souk (outdoor market) that I have been to has at least a couple of vendors selling software, divx's, and porn downloaded from the internet on cd's. Most of these girl’s may not be highly educated by they aren’t stupid either and they fully understand how fast something can be reproduced using digital media.

From my own personal experience I found out that porn and prostitution are not legal in Morocco. This doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist, just that there is a large black market for it and it’s not talked about openly. Moroccans go to prostitutes, Moroccan’s make and sell porn, the only thing that was different about this case is that a well known foreigner from the West was going to prostitutes and taking pornographic pictures instead of a Moroccan. A good amount of Muslims already harbor anti-western sentiment and muslim culture generally promotes a double standard regarding sexuality. The media in Morocco knew the harm that would be caused to all of the people that were involved if they published this story with peoples' identity included. They could have just published a story about the growing problem of prostitution in Morocco or the growing number of people from Morocco and abroad that go to brothels, or chose one of the many other Moroccans doing the same thing. But this group of disgruntled reporters chose to humiliate Philippe Servaty, the girls he had sex with, and their families not because he was caught doing what hundreds of Moroccans do every day while the police and press turn a blind eye. But because in their eye’s he was guilty of a much greater crime, the crime of debasing women while being a westerner.

My point is that no one involved here is just an innocent victim, everyone including the girls’ had a role to play in this whole thing. Philippe Servaty CHOSE to give these girls this real information and spread the pictures around. These girls’ CHOSE to have sex with Servaty either for money or the chance at a better life and allow him to take digital pictures of them in positions most people in Morocco and the western world would consider degrading. The press CHOSE to pursue this story and disclose the identity of the people involved knowing the harm it would cause. And finally the king CHOSE to fake outrage in order maintain favor with a large group of hypocrites instead of changing the legal status of prostitution which is a victimless act that should be legal in the first place, bring charges against Servaty, imprison the women in the photo’s, and start a crackdown on prostitution in general and brothels that his government knew were operating and were giving immunity to previously in particular. Now that the damage is done everyone has to live with the outcome of their choices. Despite the fact that things didn’t turn out very well for the people involved I still support the right of individuals to live their life however they choose; as long as they don’t infringe on the life, liberty, or property of others or expect society to bail them out when they make mistakes. I’m sorry that concept is so unpopular here.

[PP Tous]

Hi Guys,

Sorry to tell you, but this crackdown is not a new trend. For those of us with a bit of monger experience in Maroc, it has always long been obvious that we are not the ideal profile the Moroccan government imagines tourists to have. I think the problem is more that many westerners simply don't have an idea of what life in Maroc is like. Read some of my past posts, Morocco is hard core boys, and has always been. If you ever spent an evening with a girl you picked up in a disco there, the taxi ride with the girl laying on the backseat floor was certainly a memorable one.

Go to the discos, invite her to your apt. She will find her way to your door. Buy a Maroc phone card, get her number, make an appointment. But as always, if you are seen in public with her, trouble is not far. But like I said, that's the way it's always been and that certainly does not prevent me from going back. Picking up a rent-a-girl in the states is just as much of a hassle with the police and can lead to a jail term as well.

And don't forget, Maroc has many other qualities. If they lock up all the girls, we still have a lot of real good smoke.

Have fun!

Pepe

[Chris P]

Bachus: "they wanted to attract tourists from the Golf Countries"

What's St Andrew's got to do with this?

[Stepen Worl]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...049F18E0B0.htm

Morocco clamps down on sex tourism
by
Friday 05 August 2005 3:49 PM GMT

Some groups argue that sex tourism must be suppressed.

Morocco has jailed 60 suspected prostitutes for up to four months after a mass trial in a tourist resort.

The move was praised by Islamists but assailed by rights activists, lawyers and newspapers.

Police last month raided a hotel in the coastal city of Agadir, famed for its sandy beaches and lively nightlife, and arrested the women with 28 Saudi and nine Kuwaiti holidaymakers. Seven of the hotel's employees were also arrested.

The authorities later deported the holidaymakers without charging them, while they accused the 67 arrested Moroccans of debauchery and encouraging sex tourism.

In a verdict late on Tuesday, an Agadir court sentenced 15 girls to four months in jail and 45 to two months, including eight who received suspended terms, defence lawyers said.

Five hotel employees got jail sentences of between two and three years, a sixth got two months and another was acquitted. The court also ordered the closure of the hotel.

"If the goal of this swoop is to fight sex tourism, then authorities ought to look at all hotels in Agadir, not just one, apply the law on all, not only on Moroccans, and fight factors that help prostitution flourish"

Abd al-Rahman Yazidi,
Anaruz leader

An Islamist faction within the main opposition Justice and Development party (PJD) called the action a right step to help preserve the Muslim country's moral and religious values.

The PJD recently called on the authorities to crack down on what it says is growing sex tourism in the country, a popular destination mainly for tourists from Europe and the Arab Gulf.

Criticism

But human rights activists called the trial a scandal, criticising the authorities for letting the tourists go free.

"The women involved are victims of society," said Abdelhamid Amine, head of the country's main human rights group AMDH.

"If the goal of this swoop is to fight sex tourism, then authorities ought to look at all hotels in Agadir, not just one, apply the law on all, not only on Moroccans, and fight factors that help prostitution flourish," said Abd al-Rahman Yazidi, head of local rights group Anaruz.

Agencies
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You can find this article at:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...049F18E0B0.htm

[JP2U]

...I agree with the assessment that these girls were not victims. They consented to what they did and knew they where having their pictures taken. Now that the pictures have leaked out (something that they knew or should have known was a possibility) they have to deal with the consequences of their actions. They decided that the potential risk of damaging photos being seen by someone they knew was worth the reward of have a shot at living a life of wealth and luxiary at the expense of some sucker who was probably in love with them. They took a gamble and lost plain and simple. The legal action being brought against both Belguel and the girls in these photos is wrong. The government has no right to tell two consenting adult's what they can do behind closed doors payed or not, this hold's true regaurdless of the participants race, religon, creed, sexual orientation, ect. Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool...

Grey Soul, it may be a bit of a stretch to expect these girls to carry your sophisticated first world powers of logic and reasoning into their world, but you may be in for a shock to find that many girls from 3rd world countries may have little knowledge and experience of the (relatively new) age of the internet and may not ponder the implications of what ultimately may happen to their photos. For all they know, they could logically have thought their pictures were taken as personal mementos from a 'genuine' admirer.

Ciao

[Bachus]

Hey Guys,

I've promised to keep you informed on events in Morocco, here are the latest news.

At the Beginning of this week, the Morrocan police launched a crackdown in 4 cities, Casablanca, Tangier, Agadir and Marrakech, they've arrested a hundred and some girls, they indicted and convicted them all in 2 days ( Which means they knew about them beforehand, but were turning a blind eye on their doings), the sentences handed out went from 6 to 18 months. You can have the details in the following source, It is in Arabic, so I suggest you use an online translation software.

www.aljareeda.ma

It seems that a lot of Morrocan women want the crackdown to continue, because the prostitution has created a social tension between women and men, who now seem to have become extremely contemptuous of their women.

I've spoken to some morrocan men, and have been told that Sexual Tourism in Morocco was encouraged by the now defunct dictator "King Hassan II" (the father of the current dictator) and his then Interior Minister "Idriss Basri", they wanted to attract tourists from the Golf Countries that have left Lebanon after the war, they said tourists were given protection from prosecution, while married moroccan couples were harassed by the police and had to carry their marriage certificates to prove that they were legally together (Amazing how dictators screw up their own people )

People here told me that they were fed up with a gluttonous and corrupt Royal family who seems to corrupt most everything aroud it, even transforming the local girls into sperm banks, so, I see troubles in the horizon, especially after the coup that has just taken place in Mauretania.

As for action, I've seen some Ukrainian girls (I'll include some pictures in a future post) filling up the void in Casablanca, Moroccan girls prefer hanging out with their countrymen these days, it seems to be safer for them.

[Grey Soul 15]

i just recentaly came across this scandel. being in america it didn't come across our news at all. i find it quite interesting because i have visited morocco as a side trip while i spent the summer in spain. because of the poverty i figured there must be a lot of prostitution around but w/the majority of muslim's and religious people in general having the hypocritical attitudes they do about sex (it's ok for me to have sex with as many women as i can but it's not ok for a woman to have sex with anyone else) it was very difficult to find any action. i agree with the assessment that these girls were not victims. they consented to what they did and knew they where having their pictures taken. now that the pictures have leaked out (something that they knew or should have known was a possibility) they have to deal with the consequences of their actions. they decided that the potential risk of damaging photos being seen by someone they knew was worth the reward of have a shot at living a life of wealth and luxiary at the expense of some sucker who was probably in love with them. they took a gamble and lost plain and simple. the legal action being brought against both belguel and the girls in these photos is wrong. the government has no right to tell two consenting adult's what they can do behind closed doors payed or not, this hold's true regaurdless of the participants race, religon, creed, sexual orientation, ect. anyone who believes otherwise is a fool. if you allow the government to take away one or two of your natural right's such as your freedom of speech or association then the rest will soon follow. a

[Bachus]

there is a group calling itself the vice brigade that has appeared in marrakesh, that has just raped an emirati tourist they found having sexual intercourse with a local girl, the police fears that this is only the beginning of trend in attacking mongers that visit morocco, according to the local newspapers some of its members might themselves be policeman.

this reminds of certain facts that took place in morocco in the 1980's in which saudis were haunted and killed, and some of them had their penises cut out and they were compelled to swallow them and others were castrated with the collaboration of certain prostitutes.

ill keep you informed.

[Bachus]

Belguel did a lot of harm to Moroccan women and to the image of Morocco in general. This week the police in Agadir arrested 69 prostitutes in a hotel rented by the Saudis. They also arrested 33 Saudi citizens who were expelled immediately afterwards. They have now informants in the city that let them know if any girl is having a relationship with a foreigner. They also intend to have a whistleblower law, to completely discourage prostitution.

The Government also launched a Social Program to which they have allocated 4 Billion$ this year to combat poverty.

Belguels stupidity has given a huge boost to the PJD ( Islamist Party) which is expected to win next years elections.

And if they do, you can expect the death penalty for prostitution.