Morocco

[Zambo]

Hi,
what are the typical rates for a Girl/Night in Morocco??

Thanks!!!

[Secada]

Flandria 4

[Secada]

Flandria3

[Secada]

Flandria 2

[Secada]

Tangiers is good for sex, prices much cheaper than Casablanca !
Usually stay in Flandria Hotel, you have to pay small amount to take girl to your room. In the hotel there is a café bar full of Girls, behind the hotel a discotheque starting from 12:00 Midnight also with a lot of girls.
attached girl from Flandria

[Priamos]

We really ought to continue this on Private Mail... :-(

But OK. Let's just say the poem was DEVISED by Chesterton and later USED by Lord Halisham. That would be perfect English.

So, Spurter, you were not being nasty to our friend Belguel, and you don't understand why I criticise you? Very well, let me quote the following excerpts from your original posting:

"There are a lot of very angry Moroccans out there at the moment..."

"...disgust at the way Belguel is perceived to have demeaned the girls"

and

"I should not like to be in Belguel's shoes if some of the local Moroccans in Belgium manage to track him down".

I'll leave if for any intelligent reader to decide for himself/herself whether these are worlds of support or the words a person who rejoices in Belgue's misfortune.

[Priamos]

Spurter,

If I absolutely have to be scolded I'd rather have it done by a person with a modicum of prior knowledge: the words you threw at me "Chuck it, Smith" were devised by G.K.Chesterton as part of an attack on his old enemy Lord Birkenhead (F.E.Smith as was). Incidentally, the reason he did that was that he didn't much like religion being used in a contemporary political discussion. Not bad for a clergyman, eh?

As regards the rest of your posting, of course there's a difference between Rushdie's likening the Coranic verses to "Stanic verses" and Belguel's posting of nude photos of Arab girls. All I'm saying is, a complete outsider - by which I mean a person with no direct stake in the matter - had better not make things worse or else, if he cannot keep his trap shut, prepare to be accused of being a wing puller.

Priamos

[Piaga]

Hi!

I was in Morocco 3 times. I was in Casablanca.

I was in Al Mounia hotel.

Nice hotel!

Downstairs was a disco!

It was full a beutiful girls!

I can't stay with them because I was with my wife all 3 times!

Somebody can tell me something about this!

In September i'll be there but now i'm separate!

Has the disco been full of girls yet?

Thanks,

Piaga

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[Tout01]

Two Week Trip

Recently, I spent five days in Agadir and the rest in Marrakesh.

These two locations are the best choice for a beginner wishing to
indulge in the Arab, Berber and African world. That's why I went.

Agadir is very laid back with many young adult 5-7's. I found the stunners however to be in Marrakesh. Agadir has a strong
gay scene.

A knowledge of French/German/Spanish with English will help.

I befriended a local in both locations to get to know the lay of the land. I prefer to find my own friends rather than having an appointed one. However, be aware that your friend could get in trouble if seen with you. This only happended once in Marrakesh and a 50 dirham gift solved that problem. But I got the hint and dropped the friend the next day.

I must say that the Berber people are very friendly and more laid back than the Arab variety on average. The Africans seem to be looked down by both Arab and Berber folk.

I didn't like the tendency of the merchant to ask for more money after the ardous task of bargaining is done. This includes begging.

The security in these two location is very good but not as helpfull for whoring. You get the sense that you are being watched. Coupled with the fact this is a conservative society with some strict rules on paper, one must approach things in a more subtle way. This usually drives up the price.

Things like taking a seperate taxi to your love nest to avoid detection.

If you rent a hotel you might have to rent an additional room and make your arrangements in advance with the owner.

Having an abundant supply of 10 dirhams coins to show your appreciation to anyone who provides a helping hand or gets in your way.

200 dirham for a short time is a good rate of pay, for your average short time but they will ask for 400 - 600.

If time is on your side, rent an apartment by the week to avoid this double hotel room business and try to find a steady. The quality is there but not the quantity we get from Asia and elsewhere without all the hassle involved.

400 dirhams a day should get you a nice furnished pad in Agadir.
You will be able to bring in local talent as you please.

The street scene around Uniprix in Agadir is good. The two main nightclubs in Marrekesh is the place to go.

These two locations can be easily travelled to in conjunction to a visit to Europe as Agadir is a charter destination and an inexpensive sun destination at the minimum.

During our winter months this location is superb and the exotic nature of this place and the people make the trip worthwhile.

[Priamos]

Spurter,

Then let me add a few worlds of explanation: are you old enough to remember the Salman Rushdie affair? How the Iranian mullahs declared a fatwa against him because of perceived attacks on the Prophet? Now, imagine that some guy, without being asked, chose to tell the author that "gosh Mr. Rushdie, you're really in trouble..." and "...I wouldn't like to be in YOUR shoes if those Iranian hotheads catch up with you". Technically he would be right, and he could support his assertions with hundreds of newspaper articles from all over the Muslim world at the time. Still, I would consider this (strictly hypothetical) person as a wing puller who derived evil satisfaction from someone else's misfortune.

In response to one of your earlier questions, yes, I wouldn't mind going to Agadir on a mongering trip. I am not put off by Belguel's experiences: Unlike the United States (and Italy and Sweden...) punting is not an offence in Morocco. The production and possession of pornography is. So, I'd gladly go and have a look at the local beauties, with and without their clothes, but I'd leave my camera at home.

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[Popper]

Blue Metal,

Congratulations on being a polyglot! If you picked up Russian without any problem, you should have no problem with colloquial Arabic. I speak Fushah (Classical) and Egyptian dialect. When it comes to learning an ubiquitous dialect, your best bet is Egyptian. Everyone in the Arabic speaking world will understand and be able to communicate in Egyptian. This is due primarily, as I am sure you know, to the fact that Egypt provides most of the media and entertainment in the region.

Moroccan "Darijah" is a hodgepodge of Arabic, Berber, Spanish and other tribal tongues. The benefit to any dialect is it not as important to understand the script or the grammar. There are many, many grammatical short cuts in any Arabic dialect which will allow you to be functional in your time frame. Spanish will get you by in the northern part of Morocco and in the other regions (tourist) I was able to use German, Italian and of course French is universal there.

As far as making good wives, all of the Moroccan women that I spent time with were very "affectionate" and quite honorable. Language will be a problem, since the vast majority do not speak English, but they are very willing to relocate to the West. Good luck, if you have any more questions, I am here to help.

Regards,

Popper

[Blue Metal]

Hi Popper!

Which kind of Arabic do you speak?

I taught myself Russian doing the Pimsleur course. Now I have a good time in Ukraine without much trouble. See my posts in Other Areas under Ukraine.

I'm black, so I plan to blend in best I can. But I need language skills and I don't like French! Spanish was the last European language I'm ever going to learn.

I want to learn Arabic and come to the North African countries. I think Moroccan and Egyptian ladies are beautiful. But I want Morocco first. I want to see the Blue men (and Women too ). I studied about them in grade school.

Pimsleur has courses in Egyptian Arabic and eastern Arabic. No Pimsleur courses specifically on Moroccan Arabic exist. Which would be better?

I'm able to learn any language in 4 months or less.

Would these Moroccan girls make good wives for an American? Or are they just interested the all mighty dollar?

Blue Metal

[Photo Guy]

Bigone,

Yes, Morocco is still a worthwile destination. We all agreed that belguel's exploits were extroardinary, his risk was extraordinary too. For most mongers who are happy to stick with pros or semi pros, and don't plan to post photos of themselves with the girls, you will not draw the attention of Moroccan police. Just be cautious and aware of your surroundings and you should have a great time.

[Popper]

Hey Big1,

I recently returned from a 4 month stay in Morocco and the answer to your question is, in Morocco, if you have enough money, anything is possible. I, too, ran into some problems with the "authorities" in Agadir. The difference, however, was that I was not mongering. In Agadir, Marrakech, Casa (Dar Baida), Tanjah and other "tourist" areas, there is a special police unit called the "Tourism Patrol". Their supposed function is to keep the riff-raff from exploiting the tourists. Unfortunately, it has become a means for unscrupulous cops to "shake-down" their own people.

Until quite recently, it was illegal for a Moroccan to be seen with a foreigner. It has now become legal, but needs a permit. I found this out the hard way. I was not personally hassled too much, but my friends were arrested and charged 6 months salary for the return of their ID cards.

The working girls are quite thick in Agadir, even with this situation. So I wouldn't be too concerned about getting in trouble, but be careful. The people are well aware of the way things are there and do their best to look the other way, as long as you don't rub their noses in it. Too bad for Belguel, I hope it doesn't deter him from returning.

If you are white, from the US and speak Arabic (like me) be very, very careful with what you do, however, becouse everyone will be watching you and you WILL come under a lot of scrutiny. With that said, good luck.

Popper

[Priamos]

Spurter,

I will address a few of the point that you raise "en vrac":

1) I do not aspire to the role -- or any role -- of an older statesman on this forum. It you get this impression then it must be due to the fact that my middle-school UK English (I'm obviously not a native English speaker) comes across as too didactic.

2) The word "predicament" does, according to my dictionary, mean "A situation, especially an unpleasant, troublesome, or trying one, from which extrication is difficult."

3) Like you, I could quote tonnes of blad.net postings. However, I do not take people seriously whose contribution to forums is 3-5 sentences of rantings and acerbic viewpoints, and I have dismissed any postings of that nature from the quotations that I transated. I do not assume that the guys on blad (and WSG!) who go on record to state a long-held position without offering a modicum of analysis or argument as dangerous to our friend Belgue. In fact, I consider such persons as uneducated and, for that precise reason, laughable.

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