Morocco

[JP2U]

Prostitution is widespread in Morocco as you well know by now. Therefore, I dont think it is high on the police priority list... drugs are probably a higher priority since Morocco is a major producer and source for Europe, but I agree with you that now terrorism must be the no.1 priority after the Madrid tragedy.

Cheers

[Raoul]

Thanks JP2U,

This news was very interesting. It just confirms that you have to be very cautious in doing what I do in Morrocco. Discretion is a vital requirement. The saoudi tourist made two mistakes: doing it with dancers who are also, I guess, seasoned prostitutes; and failing to check where his camera was.

This news is also welcome to all of you who want to chase girls like they do in Brazil or in Thailand. Morrocco is a very different field.

By the way, I hope that the Morrocan police will concentrate on chasing terrorists (some Morrocan men were the culprits of the Madrid bombings) and not on mongers who spend their money to improve (somewhat) the life of many girls.

[JP2U]

Check this out guys:

One Held for Taking Obscene Pictures
Staff Writer (Arabnews.com)

JEDDAH, 16 March 2004 — Moroccan police have arrested a Saudi tourist in Marrakech for taking pornographic pictures of women, Asharq Al-Awsat Arabic daily reported. The paper said the 33-year-old Saudi took dancers to his flat in a hotel to take obscene pictures after offering them money. One of the girls ran away with his digital camera and later used it to blackmail him. Police later retrieved the camera and discovered the obscene pictures. Police have launched a search for other suspects, including the hotel manager and several girls, the paper added.

I hope this doesnt sway other members from their picture taking, but I just had to post this since it came out today in the Arab press.

[Macgoo]

Bretheren,

I too have viewed, with amazement, the picture posting by Belguel and have been very impressed. I have also read the dialog on the subject of whether to post, or not to post these pictures. While I concluded early on that posting was the right thing to do, I was most impressed by Jackson's intelligent, reasoned and methodical deliberations.

Thanks to Jackson; not for the decision to post, but for his professional approach to the vexing dilemma.

Ez

[Frank Africa]

Thanks to Jackson for decisively fixing the issue of Belguel's pictures. I agree with everything Jackson wrote - makes a lot of sense.

Special thanks for deciding to re-name Belguel's photos. About 3 pages behind this page, I had requested this very idea. Now I can look at the photos without feeling uneasy that the server is noticing the old titles.

[JackDaniels]

As an appendix to my last post - in many countries there are double standards. A foreign (European looking) woman is seen as fair game for cat calling, bottom pinching etc (NO, I do not condone this) while local women are spared this kind of treatment. Unless, the local woman is with a foreign guy. So the image of a local woman with a foreign guy in certain poses might produce reactions that reflect these double standards and the consequent lessening of respect or even disgust may cause some local men to behave in an abominable or dangerous fashion.

It is good for travellers to be aware of this. I have travelled widely and met many many people from different countries and cultures. I do not claim to know it all. This is just my personal opinion and my interjection here is just to caution guys to respect other people's privacy and to consider for a moment at least if their actions could endanger anyone. Forum members taking photos of the girls seek to preserve their anonymity - why not accord the girls the same consideration ?

Peace

JD

[Chris P]

Actually JD, being stoned to death and being run over by a car are quite similar; both involve being killed by way of massive trauma. The latter may be quicker and more painless, but then again it's quite possible a victim could last a long time; similarly, one might imagine a stoning would take longer, but if the first stone hits you hard on the temple then you're a goner immediately. So all in all, I can't say whether I'd prefer to be stoned to death or run over. Can you?

A Toda Maquina - that's exactly what I found as well. If I went through an Arab suq with an attractive woman there would be nothing but stares and wolf-whistles; exactly the kind of thing you'd get sent to prison for in the politically-correct madness of today's West, which is one of the reasons why we go to these places in the first place!

[JackDaniels]

I don't really want to get into a argument about this and this is my last post on this matter.

I think the "stoning to death" and "same danger as crossing the road" phrases are something of a distraction.

As far as Belguel's unimpressive porn pictures are concerned - the point I am making is that either you think the danger does not exist or you think the danger does exist but you don't care. The former is a valid position to hold but perhaps a little naive. The latter is callous.

All I am appealing for is some consideration for others whilst in pursuit of "fun".

Peace

JD

[Raoul]

Hi guys,

I think Jackson took the right decision. It is a well balanced measure.

[A Toda Maquina]

hey pilgrims ,listen to this !!! as quoted from a populalar travel guide book advice foreign women travelers in morocco . women are often subject to harassment from local men, ranging from cat-calls and whistles to rude comments and bottom pinching !
this doesn't match the picture painted by alot of peeps .
infact, i would say you pull the latter two anywhere in the u.s. and you will no doubt go jail and could face aggrevated sexual assult !! c'mon cat -calls , bottom pinching, those guy's would be in deep [CodeWord113] if the place was that hardcore . besides ,the big hotel chains pretty much anywhere are not chica friendly (unless its your ol' lady ) oh, lounges- booze , liquor all forbidden . but do still exist . peeps been tearin it up for years overthere. one bad ass, wild belguel shows up and a silent forum /board wakes up ! one member said : you might get your dick cut off. ) well, it looks like i'm off to the chopping block!!!
whats the word on buying condoms there ?


later.

[Chris P]

For those ludicrous whiners complaining about other member's photos, get a life! Firstly, look at the points made by those such as Priamos, about how incredibly rare any family who would stone a girl to death for mongering would actually be. Guys, the US media exaggerates things, most of these "mad mullah" stories are total BS. I used to live in the Middle East, and all these howls about "mortal danger" etc are cracking me up.

Secondly, LANGUAGE! Morocco's languages are Arabic and French; this is an English site. So that once again greatly narrows down the already-infinitesimally small number of Moroccans who might possibly chance upon the pictures (very few of which are close-ups and so could be mistaken). As to the pics, if, as some people say, internet is widely-available in Morocco, the girls being photographed would also know about it, and therefore would know of the so-called "danger" of the photos ending up on it. But they don't seem to care, do they?

So for those dicks who go on about how "this danger does exist", a danger exists every time you cross a road. But are you going to stay home for the rest of your life? Of course not! So shut up and leave other forum members alone, and post some pics of your own! I want to see what these girls look like.

[JackDaniels]

I have been reading and thinking about this issue for some time now. I think that Jackson has done the wise thing - its a fine line between contributing (to this forum) and trespassing on the girls' right to privacy and indeed in some cases, put at risk their physical security.

I think it is highly irresponsible of some posters like Belguel to pursue their "hobby" and yet expose some of these girls to mortal danger. This danger does exist and cannot be dismissed as mere exaggeration. As I read Belguel's reports, the issue of risk to the girls was the first thought that crossed my mind.

The question then becomes one of whether you want to have "fun" regardless of the consequences to others. I would urge Belguel and others to seriously consider this issue before posting pictures.

Peace

JD

[Raider]

Jackson all I can say is excellent decision and judgement on the topic .

[Member #1625]

Greetings,

I just back from Rabat, Morocco two days ago, on Buisness. As far as the looks of the girls go, I prefer Latin America. The girls looks are ok, just ok. There are some real hotties but the vast majority of the women are just plain average or butt ugly. That is my opinion.

As for the attitude, the women are above average to excellent.

I was there for two weeks and did manage to pork 3 of their hotties. One I banged twice. ALL of the women that I banged, we very passionate and in to their work. My last nght, the girl (20 years old) took me to the shower, bathed me and sucked every orafice and finished me off.

I stayed in Rabat at the Hilton. Let me tell you that I banged on girl from a club and it really cost me. Expect to be shaken down from the local police, or worse, if they see you in a cab with a local girl. Yu had better watch your ass, for real.

The rest of the nights, I simply sat in the lobby and observed and then determined that the chicks sit in the lounges of major hotels -- Especially the one I was in, the Hilton, until about 10:00 pm before going in. Everyone in the Hotel knows who they are and what they are doing, including the police. And don't try to get them into your room at the Hilton. They have cameras everywhere and they will arrest any local girl that they catch. it is not worth it for the girls, so don't try it. Simply make arrangements to take a cab to their hotel and bang them.

If they ride with you, keep an eye out for who see's you go in.

I did not make Casablanca, as NYCExpat asked me to check out but i can assure you of this, the Rabat Hilton is a friggin ***** house. It was quite refreshing after a 12 hour day to walk into the lounge and see local girls: all shades from porcelin to black waiting and smiling in the lounge and the bar. It was easier than i anticipated being in a Muslim country.

The DGST, the secret police, are watching!

Ted

[Admin]

Greetings everyone,

After careful consideration of all the arguments both for and against the posting of photographs of women from Muslim countries, I have come to several conclusions:

There is, in my opinion, an inordinate amount of hysteria associated with the publishing of these photos. Statements to the effect that "you're putting these women in danger for their lives" and "they could get killed for these photographs" strike me as just a little over the top. I hear this same BS every time somebody from any country doesn't like the photos that have been posted, even photos of American girls taken here in the USA. As I consider all the possible motivations people may have for trying to portray the posting of a photograph as a life or death event, from religious fanatics to mongers trying to protect what they believe is their as yet undiscovered playground, I realize that I cannot permit myself to be influence by any of these pleadings.

Specifically related to the publishing of photographs of Muslim women, it's been a long time since I read a news story of a chica being stoned to death for allowing herself to be photographed in the nude.

I was especially humored by one contributor's description of how in every Internet cafe in Morocco one could observe that the majority of the Internet users were perusing porn sites. If this is such a grave religious offense, then why aren't the Muslim religious leaders staking out the Internet cafes and subsequently hauling the offenders out back and stoning them to death?

I'm also humored by suggestions that once a photo has been placed on this forum, then within seconds it will be magically viewed by every person on the Internet. The fact is that in an internet world literally flooded with porn photographs, one photograph on one website is equivalent to a grain of sand amongst all the sand on all the beaches in the world.

However, all that having been said, I have decided to modify the Forum's Photo Guidelines, as follows:

Effective immediately, any photos of Muslim women, or photos of women taken Muslim countries, and the text associated with said photos, and the image file names, may not include the name, occupation, family relationship or home town of the subject of the photograph.

The subjects of these photos and the image file names should be named "Girl #14", "Ankara #23", "Iran 03-03-04" or the equivalent thereof.

The subjects in these photographs do not need to be masked or obscured.

I will attempt to compile a list of Muslim countries that will be effected by these additional requirements. Anyone wishing to compile such a list may send it to me via an email at jackson@wsgforum.com

Pursuant to this new policy, I have renamed all the subjects of Belguel's reports, including the image file names, using the generic names of "belguel girl #XXX" followed by the photograph number in the series. This should serve as a good example of what I would expect in similar Forum contributions in the future.

As always, I welcome your comments and suggestions. Please send me a PM or an email to jackson@wsgforum.com

Thanks,

Jackson