Nigeria

[Hoshirara]

Hi,

As the Nigeria forum seems to be the busiest I post my questions here, as I have never been to Africa, but plan to.

Could anyone of you that knows Africa well advise me which countries are the best to find girls, where you easily find cheap places to stay, have a great nightlife and are not loaded with tourists.

Thank you

[Red Devil]

Fellow hunters,

I also would like to know what new clubs, if any have opened in the last couple of years. I haven't been to Lagos since 2000.

I went to Y-not, Outside Inn & Tarzan's Ramp the last time I was there. All three were loaded with hotties willing to make a few Naira. Selecting a girl was difficult as usual. So many to chose from. Its a shame we men aren't equipped with more than one tool.

Did not have time to go over to Appa and take in Club 21 & Club Wazobia. Those two clubs used to be my favorite hunting grounds on Friday & Saturday nights.

CoCo's was closed when I was last there in 2000. Not sure when it shut down. That truely is a tragedy. Coco's was a great place to start or finish up the evening before bedding your princess for the night. All of the expats used to show up there. I remember some of the expats actually would bring their white wifes with them to the bar on occasion. I always wondered what they were thinking as the wifes looked around & saw the other expat men surrounded by all of these girls. I can understand them not wanting to stay at home while their husbands went out for a few drinks. There used to be short time rooms available on the premises.

Hey Beavis,
It seems that you travel a lot in West Africa. My travels in Nigeria were limited to Lagos, Warri & Escravos. What country and/or place would you say is your favorite & why? Just curious for your opinion if Cameroon or Ghana would rank above Nigeria as far as living conditions & overall attractiveness of the girls.

I know you lurkers are out there reading these reports & are not posting. Please take the time to post & give us some updated information on V.I. & Lagos. Unfortunately business has not taken me there in the last few years. Sure do miss it.

Red

[Traveler Tom]

Correct - Frank Africa

It never ceases to amaze me how people have the ability to post such biggotted cr*p as MIKEZCG has. In defence of the people of the countries that he is referring to I can only hope that they and other board members will take a deep breath and utter the words 'plain ignorant' - this can be taken in two ways and I suggest that both are relevant.

For everyone's sake I also suggest the best advice is to warn him that survival rate is usually three days, maximum, in these countries from arrival, before the guys get you and the best advice is STAY AT HOME

[Frank Africa]

Originally posted by MIKEZCG
I See a few post about the women in Cameroon, but no list, can i get lots of info pls??

What about Ghana, Nigeria and Cameroon with those f***in towel heads?? is there any worry one might ruin your night with an ak or car bomb?

M~

Besides having a crappy attitude, MikeZCG, you're also dead wrong - you don't have to worry much about aks or car bombs from Ghana, Nigeria or Cameroon. Your biggest problem may be that the people in those countries will notice your lack of sensitivity and treat you accordingly.

[Donnie Brasco #2]

Hey,

It's been a long time since I was in Lagos (1999). At that time lagos was packed with action ( I used to go to Mona Lido, Outside In, club 21) but I guessed things have changed and new places are "in" these days.

I'd really appreciate any advice about some new hot spots and the prices that go on today.

[Red Devil]

Gunner,

It's been a few years since I've been to Warri. I've only been there a couple of times for an overnight stay. I was based in Lagos during my stay in Nigeria.

The only place I went to was Aunte's Kitchen. This place is loaded with girls & they are very agressive. You will have a hard time making it through the door before being pulled on & begged to take one of them (or more). Don't take one from outside. The better looking girls are inside.

There was one other place to go but I never went there & don't remember the name. Just ask your driver, car hire, taxi driver or another expat. They will know where to go.

Be warned that Warri Is like the Wild West. It has a lot of crime. You will most likey be stopped by the police during your night travels. They set-up road blocks at night under the pretense of trying to catch bandits. They really are nothing more than a checkpoint to try and hussle money out of whitey. Keep your cool & pretend you don't understand english when the talk to you. All they want is 50 Naira or so. I would recommend traveling at night with another expat. You should make sure to carry a copy of your passport & visa entry stamp at all times (not your original passport.)

Prices for the girls the last time I was there was about 1,500 Naira (approx. 140 Naira = $1.00 U.S.) for all night. Not sure what the current exchange rate is.

The girls in Warri are as wild as they come. Hard, tight little bodies with asses that just won't quit. Hope this helps. Good luck & tag a few for me.

Red

[Boomshaka]

Mike,

I guarantee you will get crap if go to those countries with that kind of attitude.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

[Beavis]

Hey Tic Toc you forgot to mention Cheers.

[MIKEZCG]

I See a few post about the women in cameroon, but no list, can i get lots of info pls??

What about Ghana, Nigeria and Cameroon with those fuc*in towel heads?? is there any worry one might ruin your night with an ak or car bomb?

M~

[TicToc]

Thought I would add a little information on Nigeria. I lived in PH (Port Harcourt) from 1996 to 1999 and have visited Nigeria again in 2001. I will try not to repeat all the good info already posted about Lagos.

My favorite spot in Lagos is the Outside Inn, usually full of nice tight bodies every night. Prices posted previously sound right 1500 to 2000N for all night. Plenty of semi pro action around all the bars where the expats hang out. Most of my experiences were great with enthusiastic girls.

In Port Harcourt, the scene is also good. Prices are about the same. Unlike some of the previous posters, I always make an agreement to the price before leaving with a girl. I have had friends who did not do this and the girl made a scene in morning. Sometimes the temptation to be cause problems and maybe score some more cash is too much.

Some places to try in PH (of course ALL the expats know where to go):

Friends on Abba Road near Waterline Rd. 50+ girls each night. THe action starts in the parking lot with the girls who don't have the entry fee to get in the first door. Through the main door is the first bar area where there are 15 to 25 girls. Don't waste your time. Go through to the "Casbar" which will cost like 150N to enter unless you have a "member" card or you are a"lifetime mamber" (recognized as a long time regular). Ask a bouncer named Jackson if you need any help. The biggest problem in these places is that the girls will drive you nuts hitting on you. Tell the bouncers to get them to give you some space and take your time to look around.

Chi Chi - Abba road at Traffic Light Junction - Big disco setting with 25 to 40 girls on Friday and Saturday nights.

Berracuda Bar in GRA - On nights where there is a live band ( and therefore an entrance fee) there is a nice selection of good loking girls.

If you are looking for a bar where there are NO girls, so you can relax and enjoy a drink or two, as well as meet almost every expat in town, go to the Churchkey Bar off Npogo Rd. Stella is the owner and will make you feel at home.

[Mighty Spearsman]

New mainstream medical research seems to suggest that injections by a needle that's been used too many times is now the primary cause of HIV+/AIDS in most developing countries (Africa, India), not unprotected sex, although unprotected sex is still a major cause as well. Which may explain why "poor chaps who never had the means to be promiscuous in the first place" are dropping dead of AIDS.

Regardless, I'm with Frank Africa on this one, not xxl. Use a condom!

[Frank Africa]

Originally posted by xxl
Aids..the case of men (or women) who fuck around and do not get infected remains intriguing. When you are one of them, you cannot but ask questions...so many people who are reported to be dieing of aids in Africa are "poor chaps who never had the means to be promiscuous in the first place"...Some serious scientific research also challenges conventional wisdom... Scientists now think immunity may be reliant on continued exposure - once regular contact with HIV stops, immunity is lost"...This last sentence is intriguing. The prostitutes were immune as long as they plied their trade, but they turned aids-positive after quitting!
xxl

Dear xxl:
With all due respect, there are several flaws in your arguments.

First, one doesn't have to be promiscuous to catch AIDS, one can catch it from having sex only once but with an infected person, or from receiving a shot with a dirty needle, or a transfusion of infected blood, or exchange of bodily fluids, etc. The results of a recent survey of blood collected in one large East African city indicated that 49% of the donated blood was contaiminated with HIV.

Second, one can catch the HIV virus and it may not evolve into AIDS for several years (in Arthur Ashe's case it took 5 years to develop into AIDS and 5 more years before he died), and the HIV may not even show up on a blood test for six months or more after the point of infection. So the fact that a SW developed AIDS after quitting may just be a coincidence. On the other hand, there are also SWs who die of AIDS while still active in the trade. And there are also active SWs and "barebacker" johns who never become HIV positive, but that doesn't mean that they're not at risk - they're just lucky, IMHO.

Yes, conventional wisdom is not always correct, and it is clear that the scientific community does not yet know everything about HIV and AIDS. And as I said in an earlier post, the statistics may be wrong or even wildly inflated. But even if the real statistics are much lower, they are still cause for concern.

Your phrase "one who is promiscuous only once, or only on widely-spaced occasions, is more at risk than a totally reckless barebacker" scares me and I hope you don't sincerely believe it. One exhibit to illustrate this is that I probably fall into the former category (since I regularly use condoms but did not always do so back in the 1980s) and am 50 and still alive, while Johnny 'Wadd' Holmes died at the age of 40.

So, despite your "serious scientific research," I plan to continue using condoms when I'm out mongering, both in the US, in Africa, or anywhere else, and I hope that you do so as well. I certainly don't want you to do, I'd much rather be swapping posts on WSG with you 15 years from now!

[Red Devil]

CheapYngHoLuver,

I lived in Lagos for two years back in 1994 & 1995 & visited for one week in 2000. I'm not sure if you've ever been to Nigeria, but it is not a place to visit or stay just for the fun of it. Don't take this statement in the wrong way. Lagos is an absolute pussy hunter's paradise.

Most foreigners are in Nigeria for legitimate reasons (i.e. work) A tourist visa or TWP (Temporary Work Permit) is required for entry into the country. Most expats live in 3 separate areas of Lagos: Victoria Island (V.I.), Ikoyi Island or Apapa.

Crime in Nigeria is actually bred in to the locals. It truly is a way of life for these people. In general, most Nigerians live in a state of poverty & you can't really blame them for stealing everything that they can. Everyone is "on the take" in this place. I even had my own little personal scams going on just for entertainment purposes & to try to fit in with everyone else.

As with any large city, if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time you can be the victim of being robbed on the streets. I personally traveled all over the 3 places listed above both in the daytime & at night and never had any problems at all. Transportation is defintely required for any stay as Lagos is spread out over a large area with no real central spot for everything.

The cheapest area to stay would be Apapa. A room could be rented at one of the smaller hotels for approx. $10 to $12 (U.S.) per day.

Taxis are available everywhere but it would be best to rent a car with driver (car hire) for transportation. You do not want to be responsible for any traffic accident in Nigeria. Whites are seen as walking piles of money by Nigerians. Cars w/driver can be hired for approx. 150 to 250 Naira per hour. 140 Naira = $1 U.S. dollar when I was there. Appox 500 to 2,2000 Naira will be sufficient per meal depending on the restaurant & type of food ordered.

Now for the esentials - girls. Most bars In Lagos where expats frequent will have at least 20 to 100 girls. All can be had for 500 to 700 Niara short time or 1500 to 1700 Naira all night. Bbbj's are standard & are part of the rental fee. No real need to ask for them.

It was my experience that most girls did not want to negotiate price up front. Most were happy just to spend the night with you in a nice room with bed, shower & a/c. I only had one bad experience with a girl who demanded more money in my two years for being there.

Most girls are young, 18 to 25 with tight little bodies that are built for fucking. 3-somes are not a problem. Simply ask the girl of your choice to bring along a friend. While they generally don't do girl/girl action, in Nigeria anything is possible with money.

These girls are all eager to please & your rental fee includes all services except anal. Anal can be had, but as usual it varies from girl to girl. Remember, negotiation for anything purchased is expected & be sure to ask for a free gift from the Nigerian while negotiations are under way. The free gift thing tends to put you into the control of negotiations.

Please don't get the wrong impression by my earlier statements. Nigeria is loaded with uninhibited girls who really are great in the sack. Please don't take my earlier statements the wrong way. I actually enjoyed my stay & wish I could do another two years there. I just wanted to point out some of the negatives as well as the positives.

As I am typing this, I can see this 350+ lb. fat American cow stuffing the chow hole in her face full of cake & ice cream. It makes me sick to even look at her. She really does need to cancel her membership to the Betty Crocker Club. I wouldn't want to take her on a date. She would probably eat a whole sack of corn for dinner & still be looking for dessert. I want all who read this to make an observation the next time that you go to a restaurant here in the U.S. When you see a woman dining by herself, she most likely will not order dessert after her meal. Now look around at the other tables where there are two or more cows feeding. I'll bet that 9 out of 10 times they will order dessert after they gorge themselves like they're at the last supper.

I live in the U.S. and have traveled to Central America, the Carribean, Canada, Europe & Africa. I've never seen this problem with the livestock in any other country.

I know that I got off of the subject here at the end, but this cow & others like her in the herd really are a disgusting sight to look at.

[XXL]

Aids

I agree that the simplest (and safest) policy is to regard the risk of infection as high and I would not urge any man who can have his fun with condoms to stop doing so. Go on using condoms, if only to keep your peace of mind!

But the case of men (or women) who fuck around and do not get infected remains intriguing. When you are one of them, you cannot but ask questions.

For instance, a girl I know in Ouagadougou is scared stiff of catching aids and berates me for my lightheartedness on the subject, but she acknowledges her puzzlement at the fact that so many people who are reported to be dieing of aids in Africa are "poor chaps who never had the means to be promiscuous in the first place". Sexual transmission without sex?

Some serious scientific research also challenges conventional wisdom, see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/health/619316.stm of which an excerpt:

"It was thought that exposure to HIV on a regular basis created [lasting] immunity, but six Kenyan women previously thought to be resistant are now HIV-positive.

The women are all former prostitutes who have since left the business.

Scientists now think immunity may be reliant on continued exposure - once regular contact with HIV stops, immunity is lost. "

This last sentence is intriguing. The prostitutes were immune as long as they plied their trade, but they turned aids-positive after quitting!

It would suggest that once you are promiscuous, you have to go on being so, otherwise you may lose immunity and may turn positive. This makes immunological sense (continued exposure works like renewed vaccination) but flies in the face of classical aids prevention campaigns. If this is true, one who is promiscuous only once, or only on widely-spaced occasions, is more at risk than a totally reckless barebacker. And telling the latter to mend his ways might not be doing him a good turn.

This doesn't mean that avoiding exposure altogether is not the safest of all, but it certainly adds an interesting twist. I am grateful to the aids virus for not being the moral bigot some people would wish it to be.

xxl

[Frank Africa]

Originally posted by chacho
*.The aids/hiv epedemic in africa* There's a part of me that wants to believe that in overwhelmingly third world nations,where the bulk of people don't even have access to doctors, how in the hell is it possibly to determine what percentage of the populace is hiv positive or not. Hence there's probably a lot of heresay or speculation going on from Western governments.

The statistics on HIV/AIDS in Africa are actually more accurate than you might think. Pregnant women are routinely tested for HIV when they go to a clinic for a check-up or to give birth. International organizations and local ngo's (non-profit organizations) have also taken surveys in the field. Also, the number of deaths from AIDS has shot up dramatically during the last five years. Obviously a lot of folks are HIV+.

And even if the numbers are off a bit, they are still alarming. Look at it this way, if the statistics say that in a country 25% of the adult women are HIV positive, does it really matter if the real rate is only 10% or 15%? All of these numbers are too high to ignore. And you are correct in speculating that SWs have a higher incidence of HIV+ than the general population.

I lived in Africa for 7 years and return their regularly. And while I love my African women, I would never ever dream of sex without a condom. It's that simple!