Tanzania

[Neddy69]

I want to report. Nothing to report. I find daily new dens of prostitution. This city is really bad ass. LOL. Now I know Sinza almost as good as local. And let me assure you. Just walk around after 8 pm. There's is always new brothels popping up and SWs abound. The chicas walk around. The SWs are easy to spot. Quality varies widely though. From ugly aggressive hardcore to totally shy sweet chicas. Expect to pay 20 k plus 3 k transport ST. LT depends from 40 k. Never pay more then 50 k LT. Its very safe to walk around. But that doesn't mean to be careless. The main roads are being upgraded or in the process of being repaved. Main thorough fares have new LED street lighting.

Here its pussy hunting 24/7. You can hit on anything which pleases your eye. Shopkeepers Waitresses during the evening you name it. For the avid white hunter easy prey. Literally hundreds of joints and cheap eateries. Loads of cheap guest houses in the area ranging from 20 to 30 k a night. If you want something more classy. Head to Mlimani City Mall. Loads of pussy walking around. Budget mongers paradise.

Neddy.

[Taiwan Laowai]

One more issue I forget to bring up and this is more in questioning tone. Protestants vs. Moderate Muslims for Dar es Salaam has both.

Based on my experiences around Africa, Protestants are generally much easier to deal with for intimacy compared to even the most easy going Muslims. But since my experience with the later is limited mainly to The Gambia and a bit in Tanzania, I wonder if this impression is correct.

Even with girls who cleary like me, the ones who are Muslim seem a lot less natural in bed with a lot going through their head. I think they feel conflicted and guilty. Neddy and others, do you agree or is my Muslim sample size too small to be very accurate?

[Amadeuss]

At TaiwanLaowai.

No wonder that you not find a girl to shag: writing all day long your PhD thesis about African ladies is certainly time consuming. But its easy to overcome the frustration: just grap the room maid for a quick fuck. They are all game.

[Taiwan Laowai]

Thanks for taking so much of your time sharing some of your observations and impressions. I probably should've written something after my month in Uganda last year. You mentioned that Zambia was "fairly cool... " What is cool for you? I'm being presumptuous: I've been in Taiwan in July and it was damn hot, humid and no wind. Cool may mean something different to you than it does to me. Entebbe wasn't so hot as Ghana or Cameroon but, it wasn't cool either.

Also, what is mzungu taste?

Lusaka climate (Hi / lo / days of rain).

January27° / 17° 15 days.

February27° / 17° 11 days.

March27° / 16° 4 days.

April27° / 14° 1 day.

May25° / 11° 0 days.

June24° / 8° 0 days.

July23° / 8° 0 days.

August27° / 10° 0 days.

September30° / 14° 0 days.

October32° / 17° 5 days.

November31° / 18° 11 days.

December28° / 18° 13 days.

Dar es Salaam climate (Hi / lo / days of rain).

January32° / 24° 6 days.

February33° / 24° 4 days.

March32° / 23° 11 days.

April31° / 23° 15 days.

May30° / 22° 13 days.

June30° / 20° 3 days.

July29° / 19° 4 days.

August30° / 19° 3 days.

September30° / 19° 3 days.

October31° / 20° 5 days.

November32° / 22° 7 days.

December32° / 24° 7 days.

[Taiwan Laowai]

A few more points I forgot to mention in previous report.

1. Neddy told me a lot of Africans are conservative and that seems quite true. PDA does not seem socially appropriate in many cities I've been to around the continent except in clubs and maybe beach party scenes. I also noticed that in all the countries I've been during this trip, smoking seems quite rare and flashy tattoos do not seem common. Maybe sex is not a big deal here but that doesn't mean girls behave like sluts out in public. Many look and behave in a fairly reserved manner. Yes, as you might expect, there are churches of various denomnations all over the place as this is a mixed Christian and Muslim country. The girl I met today for lunch gave me heads up yesterday by telling me that she would need to leave around 4 pm to attend her church.

2. When you don't know the main language, it seems to take longer to figure out how people are and what's going on. To really dive into Tanzania, I think you would need to work on Kiswahili and stay here for a long extended period. For now, my work around for cultural translation is to meet up with old Africa hands like Neddy and also pick the brains of locals who communicate well in English. But you really only scratch the surface that way.

3. Tanzania seems to be an up-and-coming country. Kenya seems to have gone downhill due to it's high profile and the ongoing influx of business and expats. It's become expensive and status of mzungu is a fraction of what it was a decade or several decades before. Neddy explained this to me and I believe it. When a place gets flooded by foreigners, local fatigue sets in. I saw the same dynamic play out in Bangkok and other parts of that country over the last 3 decades. Because Tanzania is technically not an English speaking country, and Dar is not really on the main tourist tracks, there are very few of us here still. As such, many of the people here are not so used to us. That has a good side and a bad side. Kenya will be a lot more point-and-click but Tanzania just may have a lot of undiscovered gem opportunities with the ladies; not sure about that but time will tell. Tanzaia will take more time and patience unless you just prefer to stick to the lowest common denominator mzungu girls. Also, locals here seem a lot more positive about their country and its people than their counterparts in Uganda and Zambia. They claim that its safe here and that people are very friendly. In Uganda and Tanzania, locals will just talk about how corrupt their governments are and how locals are mostly out to take advantage. So Tanzania stands out in a few ways and maybe Neddy is on to something for I think he's not only here due to COVID, I think he also sees something else here.

4. When it comes to how attractive people are, I've learned that a modest amount of mixing with the right ethnicities leads to a huge improvements in attractiveness and increases diversity. For example, go to Hispanola. On the west side, you have Haiti which is full of dark and traditional looking west African ancestors. There are plenty of doable girls there but you rarely see someone who is very sexy or who is a stunner. However, if you take the 8 hour bus from Petionville, Hati to Santo Domingo, DR, you notice soon after crossing the border that people become much better looking. Mulatos come in a lot more shapes and sizes and some are absolutely gorgeous. DR is almost as good as Brazil for finding sex bombs and stunners. The mixing really does help. Similary, on the Tanzanian coast, you can see how much the mixing with Arabs helped for creating so many attractive specimens. Of course it's not as diverse as Brazil. But the modest amount of mixing with Arabs and other non-Bantu groups from centuries past has set Tanzania apart from its neighboring countries.

5. Getting a real feel for Africa takes boots to the ground, lots of reading, maybe some language learning, and years in continent. The longer you spend here, the more you will know how suited or ill-suited you are to any one of the dozens of cities and countries safe enough to travel to at this time.

6. To Mlover: Thanks so much for the contacts. I will leave here in a few days but intend to return by late November. I will try to reach some of them.

[Taiwan Laowai]

Mzungu taste is a Model type sexy with tight body, Slim and tall with NO kids.

As opposed to a compromise guy that are ready to collect Elephant size butt/Gorila face with kids resulting a body with car accident type of damage . The advantage here is clear, they are approachable and super easy to get at any online platform or local place.

You will see more African types in a place like Boardroom and more mzungu types in a place like Samaki Samaki.

Africans don't always get what they would rate highly themselves but yes, they tend towards curves, lighter skin, refined features (mixed) and height is also a bit plus. If you see a sharp local guy or maybe monied Nigerian, chances are he might go for and get what Africans would generally rate as good to great. If you Google the J Cole Work Out video on Vimeo, his lust interest there would be quite appreciated by most African guys I think even though she's not huge.

The Kenyan girl I described was very much a Mzungu girl. I could tell she had been around. She was tall and with a bit of creativity in photo taking, could pass herself as a sort of 'model'. But her voice is deep enough that if she was in Asia, you would think ladyboy. Her mannerisms and convo topics suggest a hardness. Her skin is quite dark and she's just not feminine. But she can probably pull a guy at the club each and every night and for me and many mzungu seem to like her look yet she's fairly hardcore. She told me she had been struggling and hustling since mid-teens so at least she was honest.

Another girl I didn't even mention last post was an African style equivalent of a mzungu ho. Last time I was here, she stood outside Board Room and was asking 100 K. She had carmel colored skin, was tall, long legs and pear shaped, a pretty face, and when I saw her, I was like wow. I was with friends so got her number but I'm not so sure how keen she was to go with a Mzungu like me. On subsequent days and again this trip when I met Neddy first time, I tried to get her to come out to meet me but she just played a game, not motivated. Not only does she not speak English, but her Swahili is full of misspellings and mistakes so it's difficult to use Google Translate. I had to ask other locals to tell me the meaning of her messages. Basically, I think she's used to going with African guys to point where she wouldn't come out just to see me even if I offered a good price. Of course African guys would be thrilled to go with a girl like her but just for shagging.

The really higher status girls are certain ones you might see working in real jobs. As I mentioned, I saw one who would probably rate around 8 (in my book 10's don't exist) in one of the phone shops at the mall. Also, if you go to Grano Coffee in that same mall, I think they tend to hire cute waitresses who look nice in jeans. It's a great view.

Basically, any girl who falls in your lap almost certainly is not high value here. It's really the same about anywhere. In SE Asia, some locals joke that if a local girl can't find a man or get any decent local guy to court her, she should find a western white guy. In Philippines, our dates are know and 'exotics' which to them means lower class, hard looking, and maybe slim, and with a shrmip face. In China, the so called leftover women (approaching 30 and above) are much more likely to open themselves to white westerners though it's still not easy unless they are darker skinned, well past 35, or are single moms, a big stigma in China.

Here in Africa, there really is quite a difference between what white westerners tend to go for vs. What Africans and Arab dudes appreciate. In all cases, its much better to not have kids and education, a good attitude, and being well-spoken are pluses. But the tendency for we white mzungus is to take what comes easy or is available on short notice or at a bargain price and that by nature tends to filter for lower quality.

I also understand that price alone is not a determinant of quality. Just because a girl asks for a lot of money does not mean she's high value or going to give you a good experience. However, if you are the type to be very tight with money at every turn, I do think it will filter out a lot of the better girls unless you have a major compensating factor.

The higher quality girls and girls who are hot by African standards are usually well aware of their status or attractive appeal and can afford to be pickier. They say a guy's age doesn't much matter in much of Africa but some of the girls I've met here at least demand a guy who's presentable. It's not like you can have any girl you want no matter what you look like as long as you pull out enough shillings. Its super easy here as long as you are not that picky and have taste that doesn't overlap with locals too much. Otherwise, it's going to be more challenging. As for me, I'm lazy to put in too much work but I do put in some efforts. I probably get lucky here maybe once ever 1-2 months on average meaning I find someone who rates 6 or more in my book who is keen to go with me and / or seems to like me.

All the adventures of Africa sound fun and yes, I like seeing safaris, beautiful islands, local cultures, passing through the rural areas, etc. But I'm not here to rough it. I want comfort and good quality living with local people, mostly urban and educated, who I can relate to and talk to. I don't' want to hang out with uneducated people in Bush bars or people who don't get me and try to speak sign language. I'm also not here to save money. For in Taiwan, I can live comfortably for US $600 per month because my life is so organized and arranged efficiently there and that includes full medical care. But here in Africa, I expect to spend more like US $2,000 or even 3,000 per month to be sure I'm happy and comfortable. The difference between paying 15,000 shillings to cross town vs. 7,000 if I make effort and negotiate aggressively does not matter much to me and I don't have the energy to negotiate everything. Comfort and time saving are my priorities. I use Uber even though it's not the cheapest and might add money if the traffic is really extreme. One time, I got to Masaaki in 20 minutes from the airport and paid only 12,000. But another time, the ride took over an hour so I offered the driver 25,000 when the fare was supposed to be more like 17,000. When I need to save money and penny pinch, I'll just go back to Taiwan which I can always enter as a permanent resident, even with COVID.

[Taiwan Laowai]

Thanks for taking so much of your time sharing some of your observations and impressions. I probably should've written something after my month in Uganda last year. You mentioned that Zambia was "fairly cool... " What is cool for you? I'm being presumptuous: I've been in Taiwan in July and it was damn hot, humid and no wind. Cool may mean something different to you than it does to me. Entebbe wasn't so hot as Ghana or Cameroon but, it wasn't cool either.

Also, what is mzungu taste?

You can Google Lusaka year round climate. By the way, Taipei rains for over 200 days a year. I hate that.

When I arrived in Lusaka, around 9 pm at night a couple months or so ago, it was around 12 degrees see. But after we got into September, temps started to rise pretty fast. Overall, Lusaka is on average quite dry but there are a couple rainy months.

Google Lusaka 12 month climate to see average Hi and lo temps plus number of rainy days.

[Member #4673]

Also, what is mzungu taste?

Mzungu taste is a Model type sexy with tight body, Slim and tall with NO kids.

As opposed to a compromise guy that are ready to collect Elephant size butt/Gorila face with kids resulting a body with car accident type of damage . The advantage here is clear, they are approachable and super easy to get at any online platform or local place.

[Slowalk]

As reported recently, I'm back in Dar... Here are some comparative impressions (of Zambia, Uganda, Tanzania and to a small extent, Madagascar):

Thanks for taking so much of your time sharing some of your observations and impressions. I probably should've written something after my month in Uganda last year. You mentioned that Zambia was "fairly cool... " What is cool for you? I'm being presumptuous: I've been in Taiwan in July and it was damn hot, humid and no wind. Cool may mean something different to you than it does to me. Entebbe wasn't so hot as Ghana or Cameroon but, it wasn't cool either.

Also, what is mzungu taste?

[Taiwan Laowai]

As reported recently, I'm back in Dar. Have already met up with Neddy twice and had 4 dates, all from Tinder.

1. Travel agent: Late 20's, nice lady, kinda ok looking for my taste, has one child, reasonably educated, hooked me up with a future dated COVID-19 negative certificate which I will need for upcoming trip to Cairo. Not really that attracted to her so a nice friend but didn't get intimate.

2. Kenyan girl: Typical mzungu girl, slim with a hardend look and voice, one child, hunts at places like Q Bar. Not nearly as thick and curvy as she looked in photos. Darker skinned, smart, low voice, and I could see through her veneer and pegged her as lower level mzungu direct prostitute within 5 minutes. She was nice but this is not what I want to meet so a disappointment. Had lunch then said goodbye.

3. Chubby local girl with light skin, no child: Late 20's, pear shape, nice, very good English, just finished relationship with brutish French guy, borderline attractive to me and good company. Hugged a bit but no intimacy. I think she only wants only to be intimate if we will be dating.

4. Student, only 5'4" but nice curves, darker than average Tanzanian but cute and personable: Met at Samaki Samaki near the mall. Lots of touching and kissing but didn't manage to bring home. The first date only lasted 2 hours and Neddy saw her briefly too. I find her cute and would like to be intimate so I'll see if she meets me a second time in coming days. She knows what I'm hoping for.

By now, I've spent many weeks in Madagascar (Nosy Be, Tamatave, Tana), Uganda (Kampala and Entebbe), Zambia (Lusaka and Nakonde), and Tanzania (Dar, Mbeye, and Bukoba). Most of this time has been in the big cities. Here are some comparative impressions:

Lusaka has the best roads, infrastructure, malls, and life quality. It is very dry most of year and gets fairly cool during their winter months. It seems like around half of residential areas of town are comprised of nice sized houses and estates. People are chill and most speak good English. The Kwatcha is falling pretty rapidly with the current president so its pretty affordable. The bus station is a mess and downtown is a bit crowded and noisy. But areas around Mandahill and East Park Malls are very nice and comfortable though Great E Rd. Has major construction going on. Luendo works very well there and drivers are fine taking you to multiple places and waiting. The bill adds up according to total kilometers travelled. As for women, I was only with one for an extended period and she is educated, speaks well, and is calm with a good temper and fairly easygoing. But these girls spend so much time and attention on their nails and hair. Anyway, the reality for me is that most Zambian girls I saw are really not very attractive. On days out and about, I might see at most 1-3 girls I felt sexually attracted to much. On my girl's bday, I went to a club with her. When I was alone, some girls would try to meet me. But for me, all these girls are really plain janes. I think it's easy enough to meet girls there but only if you have pure mzungu taste will you find many who you find attractive. The bus between Nakonde and Lusaka requires an awful 16-17 hour ride. Only one company is doing it these days and it's really a noisy ghetto experience. The road in the northern part of the country within 4 hours of Nakonde are truly awful and it's just a harrowing experience. In contrast, the minibus between Tana and Tamatave is a wonderful tour through the higlands until you get within 3 hours of Tamatave.

Kampala: Police state, nasty civil servants, immigration, police officers, etc. Customer service here is generally quite good and so is the available food choices. People here seem more sensitive about having photos taken accidentally than in any of the other countries on this trip but in general, photo taking can annoy Africans. However, nobody in Madagascar seemed to mind in the least. Anyway, the Tinder girls I met in Kampala were the most keen on the GFE and longer term relationships. There are more attractive girls here than in Lusaka but not nearly as many as I remember from Nairobi. Bukoba and especially Dar are much better for physical appearance though Mbeya not so much. I think the significant amount of Arab blood mixed in with Tanzaniana really yields a lot of attractive faces and body types which lighter skin tones. Kampala has one or two decent malls (Accacia is the best) but the roads and sidewalks are really awful. I saw more conflict there than any of the other countries visited. As reported before, I had a problem with special forces, street police, and a few civil servants. Also, one of the assistant ladies in my first residence had the gall to want to check my bags when I left. I trashed them so bad on Booking for that that the boss wanted to have a personal chat with me about it and apologized profusely. Once when I was at the mall in a pharmacy, some random dude from the street came in and asked the guy at the counter for some money. Of course he told the guy to get lost LOL. I saw some dude losing his temper trying to get into Acacia because they wanted him to wear a mask and he ended up calling them racists against Ugandans. Pokeris also felt that he got crappy attitudes from people there a lot. Kampala was the cheapest of all the cities I visited and I met some really cool local people that I like. But as a whole, I think Uganda has a lot of people who annoy me and make my blood boil. The bad apples are the least chill of all the Africans I've met on my various trips to different countries although I wasn't in Ethiopia long enough to get a decent read on Addis Abbaba some 10 or more years ago.

Dar es Salaam: People are a bit more flaky and disorganized. Customer service is not so good as Uganda or Zambia. For me, the girls are less transparent and I'm still trying to get a read on how things work here. Unlike Zambia and Uganda, locals I met seem to generally feel positive about their country's future and are happy with current power in place. By far, I see more attractive women here than in Uganda and Zambia. You see lighter skin tones, more distinct faces, and nice pear shapes (wider hips with big thighs combined with narrow shoulders). Also, people here seem more polite, low key, and soft spoken than in Zambia and especially Uganda. In some ways, they remind me a bit of Asians. Many locals will declare to me that Tanzanians are chill and the place is safe and indeed it feels fairly safe here. Snatchings and muggings happen for sure but the vibe seems pretty safe and non-confrontational. I've met a few educated girls and the first warned me that Tanzanians don't know how to say no so sometimes, you find out the hard way. For example, I was double booked for a room here on two occasions even after confirming vacancy on the phone. I think girls here are less accustomed to white guys and of course, many do not speak English so well though many others still do. According to my Austrian Congolese friend, girls here are more challenging than in Uganda and may be on average be more demanding for material rewards, etc. Malls in Tanzania are not as nice and developed as in Zambia but maybe a bit better than in Kampala. As for getting painkillers and special meds, I think it's more challenging here than in Kampala and Lusaka. Tinder works well here but I'm not sure yet what percentage are pure hos and how many are open for longer relationships. Uganda seemed to have a lot who didn't only want hookups. I didn't use Tinder in Lusaka. In Mada, it's going to be useless.

YMMV because I'm the type of white guy who is drawn to what local men, including best qualified local men or visiting monied African expats from Nigeria, maybe be most drawn to. I most prefer the better educated, taller, pear shaped, lighter skinned, and well-spoken women who have no children yet. Trust me, these women are generally not so easy and are aware of their value in the sexual, dating, and even marriage marketplace. Some, especially in Tanzania, maybe shy about going dating a mzungu tourist, especially if he is older. If you are happy with just slim and darker girls, and don't care much about their education or whether or not they have children, then it's going to be easy enough to find one or more girls to go with you any and everyday as per your appetite. That applies to Tanzania, Uganda, and Zambia. With $100 to spend, I might easily bag 5 mzungu type girls or not even get to first base with some of my favorites such as the hottie I saw today working in one of the phone shops of Mlimani City Mall in Dar. So far, I believe there is a night and day difference between getting the access to more average or regular type of girls here vs. Getting access to what falls in the top 5-10% of urban African male taste. If you go below average, and I think this is mostly where mzungu hunter types live, then you probably can get the pick of the litter for bargain basement prices. But let's see. I need a lot more time to suss things out before I can be very sure of much. And of course, luck always plays a role in the eqution.

Mongers with narrower tastes and especially if said tastes fit what local culture values, you are going to need a lot more patience. Since being in Africa, I've gone weeks at a time with no intimacy. Frankly, I won't take stereotypical mzungu groupie girls even if they were absolutely free. I would much rather spend a bit and get closer to what I really like. I didn't come to Africa for saving money or gettng bargain basement shags and hotel rooms. At least Dar seems to have a lot of attractive girls, much more than Kampala and especially Lusaka. What remains to be seen is how attainable said girls will be for a guy like me if I return here again later this year to stay for a much more extended period and work on picking-up Kiswahili. Good, bad, or otherwise, I'll share my findings here when the time seems right.

[Taiwan Laowai]

Hi brother from Hyderabad:

You are very generous to offer your Badoo-numbers. However, the girls which you selected are eventually of a total different preferential shape as the typical mzungu kifaranga. And hunting on Badoo or similar websites is really not that complicated. On my arrival I got about 50 confirmed contacts on watsapp (the mode of communication in Dares) and my biggest problem was to organise the many requests on a timeline.

But to make a point, let us have some pictures of your beauties.

Well I am mzungu and from my experience, the further these girls are from typical mzungu taste, the better LOL.

[Taiwan Laowai]

Hi guys,

Was to come to Dar but plans changed. Had cultivated some contacts. Some seem non professional and worth trying. Effort can't go waste. Any non Tanzanian presently visiting Dar needs. PM me. Locals I'm sure you are well provided for. Have fun.

I am in Dar and would love to see them. Just met with Neddy today. Can you PM me?

[Amadeuss]

Hi guys,

Was to come to Dar but plans changed. Had cultivated some contacts. Some seem non professional and worth trying. Effort can't go waste. Any non Tanzanian presently visiting Dar needs. PM me. Locals I'm sure you are well provided for. Have fun.

Hi brother from Hyderabad:

You are very generous to offer your Badoo-numbers. However, the girls which you selected are eventually of a total different preferential shape as the typical mzungu kifaranga. And hunting on Badoo or similar websites is really not that complicated. On my arrival I got about 50 confirmed contacts on watsapp (the mode of communication in Dares) and my biggest problem was to organise the many requests on a timeline.

But to make a point, let us have some pictures of your beauties.

[MLover29]

Hi guys,

Was to come to Dar but plans changed. Had cultivated some contacts. Some seem non professional and worth trying. Effort can't go waste. Any non Tanzanian presently visiting Dar needs. PM me. Locals I'm sure you are well provided for. Have fun.

[Neddy69]

This does not come as an surprise really, everyone that is not a newbie to Africa knows that, going to clubs is not meant to be healthy. I always wear earplugs in clubs then you can enjoy twerking all night without worries. And a lot of you guys go home alone after a night out at clubs, that to me is almost an offence when in Africa or it says something about the quality of girls and not in a positive sense. Personally I have been to Uganda, Kenya, Madagascar a couple of times and going home alone is impossible unless you need 8+ girls every time.

Nice to hear. So where are your reports.

Neddy.