Tanzania

[Taiwan Laowai]

Yes. Of those who know me. I LOVE local dingy dens. My favorites. Robot Bar Kampala. Buccaneers Strip Club Kisumu. Naiz Mtwapa. LE Indra Antananarivo. I love the local flavor. Loud boom boom music. Khat and Bangi smoking guys. Red hot chicas. I pulled my fair share of chics out of these joints. These joints are not for tourists. They'll be at a loss. They like cash and carry. I spend at least 3 months in country. So there's always chic's popping up. If not. Well then I go home alone. That's what I love about Africa. Full of surprises. Let it go with the flow. Africa is nothing for the 2 week warrior. Fly to Thailand. Africa is not cash and carry. Its for the sexplorateur extraordinaire. Like the greatest if all. Victorian Sir Richard Francis Burton. Who finds gems everywhere.

Neddy.

You are more African in liking to experience very downmarket venues. But my taste is definitely more African than yours as I remember from my trip to the Gambia. I met up with Original Joh the other day, a younger local Tanzanian guy and we went through a bunch of photos plus looked at some of the girls around and about Samaki Samaki. He's definitely on my page when it comes to curves and faces and he acknowledges that my taste is quite in line with the bulk of Tanzanian guys. I think he also gets my preferences for lighter skin tones ala Tanzania, Ethiopia, and especially Morocco.

What locals like him and counterparts in many other parts of the developing world realize is that white Anglo and European men tend to like women who are smaller in stature, skinnier, sometimes with bigger breasts but on small frames, darker color, and even of lower educational level to make them easier to get. When you see local dudes with such girls at the down-and-dirty clubs, it's probably because they can't afford the more desirable girls or are of lower status themselves. So white guys like us serve a dual purpose in Africa. We inject money into the tourist economy and take out the girls who are least desired by local guys LOL. In SE Asia, a similar dynamic often plays out and say in the Philippines, white guys are know for chasing 'exotic' girls which is code for girls who are least educated, come from impoverished backgrounds and physically, short, dark, skinny, with shrimp faces.

But mongers who don't fit this description because they have exceptional taste like me or are Middle Eastern, Indian, black, or even Asian need to apply different approaches to find what they are looking for. Tonight it looked like Board Room was best for physical appearance and Tips for finding more civilian and possibly educated types. But I will need a lot more data points to start getting a bit of a handle on this city.

[Taiwan Laowai]

I'm staying in building right next to Village Supermarket in Masaki. Thai Joe is staying in really nice condo nearby.

At 8:30 pm, we met up to have dinner at rooftop resto Rhapsody just down the street. Wow this place is awesome, great venue to bring date for dinner and drinks. I had a magnificent fillet steak and fries for just $16. I've never had such tender easy to eat steak before in my life.

We then headed to Tips, an outside club with music that's not so loud you can't talk. Johnny O met us there and we had a couple round of beers. It was fairly crowded but still enough space. Good atmosphere. Seemed like all civilians and plenty of decent looking girls in groups, some mixed and some all female. This might have been kinda middle class local I didn't see many girls who really caught my eye. Plenty looked ok but nobody got me excited. Well, it was just 10 pm in the evening.

We then headed to Board Room, an open air local place that was quite crowded but bright enough to see all the girls inside well. The area immediately outside is good for taking a break and there are some hos lingering about. One of them was pretty hot so I asked her price and she said 100 K. Her English was not too good. I took her number and thought perhaps I can negotiate with her another time if she's keen to come to my area, we'll see. Inside the club I saw several girls who excited me but they tended to be in mixed groups and it was way too crowded inside to maneuver well. The 2 guys didn't like it so much for that reason so we didn't stay long. This one venue probably had more of those hot amazing specimens with real African curves than I've seen anywhere else so far.

We then went to La Chaz but closed due to COVID so then went to this big open air Masai Club but it was dead.

Went to area of Corner Bar to walk around and finally both of those guys went in. At that point, I grabbed a biaji back to my place. Corner Bar is a dreadful venue with no light inside, high volume noise, and girls who look best in darkness.

Other stuff from last few days.

1. The other day, I got the number for a hot waitress at nearby Samaki Samaki. I've been texting her but she only responds sometimes and she's probably not very interested. But I'll try a bit more.

2. I would love to find a good guide here like I found in Kampala. Someone who could help set-up things up that are challenging for a newbie non-local language speaking mzungu. In Kampala I had a great guy who worked for me. He helped me arrange excellent all-in accommodation, low cost transport around town and up to Entebbe, a hook up with prescriptions and a large quantity of needed meds, chat-ups some civilian girls, and to arrange all the government passes and approvals to enter border province to get into Tanzania. Uganda is a bureaucratic nightmare for all this stuff. I also gave him some work from another expat so he earned a few hundred US $ from all the work in total. A quality guide needs to be educated but also street smart and switched-on, have strong skills with people and negotiations, and completely above board, transparent, and honest with the clients.

3. Tanzania's people on average have significantly lighter skin and better looking faces than counterparts in Uganda; probably due to a a lot of mixing with Arab traders in previous centuries. I haven't seen this issue discussed on the forum before but what it means for me is that a higher percentage of girls are attractive here than in Uganda.

4. I've been swiping Tinder sometimes during downtime. I seem to have a higher match rate than in Uganda. With Uganda, I right swipe 1 out of 10 and of those, only 1 or 2 out of 10 match with me. Here in Tanzania, I right swipe 2-3 out of 10 and of those, at least 2 match with me. So far, I've only had one meet-up with a Tinder match and I didn't much like her look in person so I sat a couple hours with her then ended the date.

[Original Joh]

Hello,

I hope I will try to answer some questions regarding Dar, from the recent questions. I may have missed some stuff due to my limited time but just ask and I will answer. I will add up stuff I as I remember, also anyone feel free to add up other suggestions.

General info and tips.

- the below recommendations are areas with good security (even though TZ is generally peaceful) , close to one another and cheap to move around from your town centre hotel.

-the current situation is good for mongering because the bars are already running at full capacities. Universities are already open and this is generally a good thing because they are game changers for bar hunting. With university girls in the picture, the pros tend to be polite and even the prices become low. So this means there is vast of fish in the market including the uni girls who are always DTF depending on your game.

-Nowadays in most places you can pay with card swipe so don't worry about carrying too much cash all the time.

- Most of the night places are lit from thursdays but fridays and saturdays are the real deal. On mondays and tuesdays it is mostly until midnight. But some places are good so just ask a local and they will tell you if you really need to go out till late.

Night life & type of girls you will most likely find.

In Dar, there is alot of choices for spending your night and what you would expect to find. Most of the bars or clubs go till morning. In some you are most likely to find tourists, foreign workers, locals (local arabs, local indians, light skin Tanzanians, dark skin Tanzanians).

Review of Different areas + recommendation of current hot places for guaranteed action at night (first mentioned means highly recommended).

- Masaki / OyetserbaY. Highly recommended first place to try when you hit dar, it is famous for tourists. Has every service you want malls, beach, yacht club. At night, uni students, pros and everything can be found there. Has a mix of bargain places though for food and drinks. But overall its expensive especially hotels. (Samaki samaki, Mason (expensive), Havoc, Olive, Elements, buckets, Reggae bar (for marryjane lovers haha), Q bar (pros only though at this place)).

- Mikocheni. Area which is close to masaki and oysterbay with a bit similar services. From malls, food spots and very famous for massages (the happy ending ones). Their places are abit cheaper though. Places to go (Tips, Briques, Tripple 7.

- MBEZI beach. Close to the above areas also. Good services also cheap and you find mostly uni girls, locals sometimes foreigners places to go (Juliana, Busca la vida).

- SINZA. Mostly locals stuff here in terms of food and shopping activities. For girls then this is the pros headquarters, mostly cheap. Has a variety of choices. But mostly pro girls and semi pros. An exception is a new place called boardroom. Uni students like it. Places to go (board room, la chazz, elegance).

- MWENGE. Very close to sinza, this place is only mentioned because of the famous shopping village MLIMANY CITY. Has food joints, shopping malls, kid games etc. There is too much movement of foreigners also. Its very close to university of dar es salaam and ardhi university. So many people go there. Places to go (Samaki samaki (chain of the one in masaki, this one stays till midnight even on weekends), 5 N (Good for pros / semipros with mix of uni students)).

- POSTA. Abit expensive, food, drinks, hotels so as the girls if they are working. Places to go places to go (Rhapsody, High spirit) have not been there for a while now.

- Others. There are other good places with action example Tabata but only ideal if you have a local host / friend to go with, or you are foreigners but in a group of two or more. I say this because you may go there and find people yes and its actually fun but its almost only locals. You will feel awkward to be there alone.

Beaches.

- TIPS kidimbwi (a sister place of the TIPS mikocheni bar) is hot recently for tourists and locals. I even found tourists doing water activities like surfing, bringing dogs to beach etc.

- Yatch club masaki. Never been there but if you want yacht parties with girls, swimming by the beach etc check them out.

- If you want good beach place to stay, Water games, sleep and wake up to I would highly recommend you book kigamboni hotels or go to bagamoyo. There is good a mix of bargain and some expensive. But you will find your peace there.

- for the one asking for massage at beach, it may not be an activity which is common or listed but can be done. At your beach facing room if you want. . also if they can give you the person who does the massage. Some hotels already offer massage so its easier. If not then you have to bring your massage girl / guy there. Can give recommendation separately if needed.

Massage.

-there is everything you need, professional / therapy related with no happy endings to the ones with happy endings.

-most famous place and highly recommended is mikocheni area massage parlours UNIQUE, soft touch, full moon are some of the good ones featuring dark skinned and light skinned locals (caution: very hot girls) . There are even chinease, thai but I have never tried those so won't go deep into.

- Masaki / oysterbay and posta has such parlour too.

- some hotels already have their indoor massages. So check out on your booking but this is not that much ideal because you sometimes lack variety. At the parlour you find almost 10 - 30 girls at your disposal so you choose your taste (ofcoz you already know this).

Casinos.

- even though no one has spoken about this, but I am recommending you all to go into casinos if its your thing. Foreigners and workers of European, Chinese, Indians descents go there a lot. The local girls who serve there are very well selected to meet taste of most foreigners. From experience you just need to talk to them. They are usually down to dates, DTF etc once they come off their working shifts.

Let me know what you want to know. Will give as much info as possible!

I think I have forgotten some places. Will surely update them.

Its difficult to write a review which includes everything for sure. I see that there is different tastes on what type of girls you would call beautiful. Some do not want the long game played by some girls and some are willing to play it if the girl is really cute.

Experience of pro girls you are going to encounter in Tanzania.

- pros are almost the same everywhere. The difference is the ones in more developed countries know what men there want and hence their services would always include those services. Do not expect as a must do for a Tanzanian pro to do a service you have experienced elsewhere / which is common elsewhere even without asking. They are shaped by the customers they serve most of the time. I can tell you for short time here locals do not even kiss or touch them. They make themselves wet or use lube so you just penetrate, ejaculate then evacuate. So if you want specific thing before you take her just clarify. This is especially if you go to the mosty locals places. The escorts who advertise online or who you find at high class places they may do all stuffs which are common all over the world (GFE, threesomes, other kinky mzungu stuffs etc) without even asking because they are used to getting customers who most times want those services.

[Neddy69]

Met up with JohnnyO at Corner Bar. Dreadful loud singing means impossible to hold a decent conversation. Seems to be full of low-rent skanks with kinky hair and skinny bodies. I might pay them 1,000 Shillings to go away. Too dark to see their faces clearly but it's clear that this venue is no reason to come all the way to Africa. I lasted around 50 minutes in that dump before I just had to get out. Went next door to outside resto. Saw a couple cute chubby waitresses. Flirted with the one who showed me to my table - 30 year old single mum. Ok got her digits because she looks like she'd be good fun for an afternoon in coming days. Later Johnny comes out with newfound love of his life who happens to speak quite decent English.

Later my waitress and her co-worker invite themselves to our table for fruit juice on my dime. I say ok. But of course she's on duty so I can't really touch her much there. Later I can tell she's telling Johnny's new fiance that she's hungry. I had just settled my bill and in my mind, this chubby girl is not exactly starving. So I order up my Uber but when he arrives, he's got the wrong plate and wants to take me off card which is my default setting. I don't do cash with Uber. So I tell him to get lost, go back to Corner to use loo, then take a bijajia back to Oyster Bay where I stay. Mind you, Johnny's future wife was taking side of the Uber driver and asked me to cancel from my side or pay him 4,000 shillings. I tried in vain to explain to her how Uber is supposed to work all over the world and later Johnny took over in my efforts to educate her as I exited.

A bit later, Johnny texted me that the newest lust of my life (chubby waitress) tried to pad his bill but fortunately the new wife set them straight. So waitresses were crooked but Johnny's girl may or may not be legit. Let's see what Johnny has to say in a day or two.

Morals of our night out:

1. Avoid Corner Bar at all costs, it is a horrible dump with loud noise, near pitch black darkness, and ugly skanks. You will need a lot of beers to find an acceptable girl here and make sure she leaves before sunrise.

2. Also avoid the resto next door for even the uniformed waitresses may be out to hustle you.

3. Yes Neddy this is Africa but still, there are different experiences and shades to this continent to be had depending on where you go and how you filter people and venues.

4. I've never been to a country like Tanzania where Uber is so unreliable in terms of drivers trying to somehow go against the rules. This is based mainly on what Johnny told me as this was my first problem here. I've used Uber in over 10 countries including Uganda and it's always been very safe and predicable. I don't know why Dar is different but I will file a complaint to Uber and let them know.

I hope the higher side of Dar, namely Masaki and Oyster Bay clubs or Tinder girls will be less trashy, more genuine, and a lot better looking. Lets's see. Time will tell.

Yes. Of those who know me. I LOVE local dingy dens. My favorites. Robot Bar Kampala. Buccaneers Strip Club Kisumu. Naiz Mtwapa. LE Indra Antananarivo. I love the local flavor. Loud boom boom music. Khat and Bangi smoking guys. Red hot chicas. I pulled my fair share of chics out of these joints. These joints are not for tourists. They'll be at a loss. They like cash and carry. I spend at least 3 months in country. So there's always chic's popping up. If not. Well then I go home alone. That's what I love about Africa. Full of surprises. Let it go with the flow. Africa is nothing for the 2 week warrior. Fly to Thailand. Africa is not cash and carry. Its for the sexplorateur extraordinaire. Like the greatest if all. Victorian Sir Richard Francis Burton. Who finds gems everywhere.

Neddy.

[Neddy69]

You would put your life on hold for three-hundred-quid? If there's anything this virus situation should teach anyone is that time is a precious commodity. No time to let opportunity go to waste. The days of easy travel could be numbered.

Sober Hans is just a lurker asking dumb questions in going nowhere in case you didn't notice.

Neddy.

[SoberHans69]

You would put your life on hold for three-hundred-quid? If there's anything this virus situation should teach anyone is that time is a precious commodity. No time to let opportunity go to waste. The days of easy travel could be numbered.

I totally agree with you but I've just lost my job so trying to be sensible for a change haha.

[Taiwan Laowai]

Met up with JohnnyO at Corner Bar. Dreadful loud singing means impossible to hold a decent conversation. Seems to be full of low-rent skanks with kinky hair and skinny bodies. I might pay them 1,000 Shillings to go away. Too dark to see their faces clearly but it's clear that this venue is no reason to come all the way to Africa. I lasted around 50 minutes in that dump before I just had to get out. Went next door to outside resto. Saw a couple cute chubby waitresses. Flirted with the one who showed me to my table - 30 year old single mum. Ok got her digits because she looks like she'd be good fun for an afternoon in coming days. Later Johnny comes out with newfound love of his life who happens to speak quite decent English.

Later my waitress and her co-worker invite themselves to our table for fruit juice on my dime. I say ok. But of course she's on duty so I can't really touch her much there. Later I can tell she's telling Johnny's new fiance that she's hungry. I had just settled my bill and in my mind, this chubby girl is not exactly starving. So I order up my Uber but when he arrives, he's got the wrong plate and wants to take me off card which is my default setting. I don't do cash with Uber. So I tell him to get lost, go back to Corner to use loo, then take a bijajia back to Oyster Bay where I stay. Mind you, Johnny's future wife was taking side of the Uber driver and asked me to cancel from my side or pay him 4,000 shillings. I tried in vain to explain to her how Uber is supposed to work all over the world and later Johnny took over in my efforts to educate her as I exited.

A bit later, Johnny texted me that the newest lust of my life (chubby waitress) tried to pad his bill but fortunately the new wife set them straight. So waitresses were crooked but Johnny's girl may or may not be legit. Let's see what Johnny has to say in a day or two.

Morals of our night out:

1. Avoid Corner Bar at all costs, it is a horrible dump with loud noise, near pitch black darkness, and ugly skanks. You will need a lot of beers to find an acceptable girl here and make sure she leaves before sunrise.

2. Also avoid the resto next door for even the uniformed waitresses may be out to hustle you.

3. Yes Neddy this is Africa but still, there are different experiences and shades to this continent to be had depending on where you go and how you filter people and venues.

4. I've never been to a country like Tanzania where Uber is so unreliable in terms of drivers trying to somehow go against the rules. This is based mainly on what Johnny told me as this was my first problem here. I've used Uber in over 10 countries including Uganda and it's always been very safe and predicable. I don't know why Dar is different but I will file a complaint to Uber and let them know.

I hope the higher side of Dar, namely Masaki and Oyster Bay clubs or Tinder girls will be less trashy, more genuine, and a lot better looking. Lets's see. Time will tell.

[Golfinho]

All last week it was showing the 19th of August until 2nd of September as 480 and now there is no flights on 19th and closest dates are 780 and it doesn't get any cheaper until mid September. Guess I'll have to wait a bit longer and see what happens.

You would put your life on hold for three-hundred-quid? If there's anything this virus situation should teach anyone is that time is a precious commodity. No time to let opportunity go to waste. The days of easy travel could be numbered.

[SoberHans69]

Went to book flights from England to Dar with KLM just now and the prices have gone up a lot since just yesterday.

All last week it was showing the 19th of August until 2nd of September as 480 and now there is no flights on 19th and closest dates are 780 and it doesn't get any cheaper until mid September.

Guess I'll have to wait a bit longer and see what happens.

[Taiwan Laowai]

Wisdom of a world monger: "up to you" means "I am a bad ass. ".

Never ask "how much" but name your price and show it on your phone. Numbers on the phone avoid communication problems. Further make clear how long you want her to stay and what extras you wish. Otherwise she charging you for kissing her nipples another 100. -.

Those Ho's are professionals. Deal with them as business. It does'nt matter in which country.

But thanks for your report. Carry on.

Why would anyone want to deal with such girls at all? If you have to draw-up a contract just for a session, if the girl finds every little thing she does with you as something she needs extra payment for, aren't you better off just bailing?

Doesn't Dar es Salaam have better options than that? I know Kampala sure did. These types of girls you are talking here are pure trash. Is that what you came to Tanzania for?

[Zimzam]

Some years ago I was actually staying for some weeks at Qbar. So it was quite convenient, you don't have to walk far and you start to know what kind of girls come there and at what time of the day and week.

To separate the wheat from the chaff as it were.

Usually I was relaxing a bit in the evening and went down after 1. 00 am to see who were hanging around. Except when the band was playing, then I went down earlier, but I don't know if there is live music nowadays.

I met all kinds of girls and usually they were not the hard-core ones.

Sometimes a musician, some enthusiastic Ugandan girls and even some girls driving their own cars. Never talked about money beforehand and never had problems, except that some of them came knocking at my door in later days. Only once I had 2 girls and they both wanted the*full share. But of course they know that they can't make a scene* at Q-Bar.

Those days of course there was the Maisha Club next door, but not anymore I think.

BTW, I saw that Q-Bar is offering a full month stay now for 650 $ on their Facebook page.

If you don't mind noise from the bar it's a good place to stay.

[Golfinho]

Wisdom of a world monger: "up to you" means "I am a bad ass. ".

Never ask "how much" but name your price and show it on your phone. Numbers on the phone avoid communication problems. Further make clear how long you want her to stay and what extras you wish n.

Instead of making clear how long you want her to stay, what you should do is tell her at what time the next morning (or at whatever hour) the amount you show her on the phone will become hers.

[Amadeuss]

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She was keen to go back to the room and I thought the night was saved. I asked how much she would want from me tomorrow and she said it was up to me, I pushed her a bit and she again just said she'll leave it to me, big mistake..

Wisdom of a world monger: "up to you" means "I am a bad ass. ".

Never ask "how much" but name your price and show it on your phone. Numbers on the phone avoid communication problems. Further make clear how long you want her to stay and what extras you wish. Otherwise she charging you for kissing her nipples another 100. -.

Those Ho's are professionals. Deal with them as business. It does'nt matter in which country.

But thanks for your report. Carry on.

[Neddy69]

What you expect. Q Bar is a known tourist hot spot. Chicas smell a newbie from 1000 miles away. Go to tourist place pay tourist price. You did RTFF ?? Maybe you should adjust your eyesight. Just a couple of posts down sparos summed up all the prices. Tourist price is from 100k upwards. The pick up location determines the prices. High class like Qbar high price. Same chica ask in Sinza 20 to 30k. Low class/ local venue. low price. Go native. Blend in. Learn Kiswahili. Then the price will drop. This is not Asia. And beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Most African guys prefer fat ass fat chicas. If you like slim tall bodies figure out where Massai or Burundian refugees hang out.

Neddy.

Final tip. Ask one of the fat ass chicas you're into slim chicas. They'll set you up. Worked for me most times like a charm.

[Neddy69]

I First night disaster in Dar.

Landed yesterday. I'll report on my trip separately as there is some need to know stuff for future travellers.

It was my first time in Africa. Spent years mongering in SE Asia and Europe. I rtff and took notes.

Staying a 10 min walk from 5 n. Google maps took me down some very dark alleys that were unwalkable.

Got to 5 n at around 8. 30 full of guys and one girl at the bar with a group of guys.

Was ready to go and an interesting kinda girl walked in but I was literally just in the country and wanted to explore at bit.

Wanted some action and to see some ladies so headed to the famous corner bar. Again full of guys and an extremely boring place to sit alone nursing a beer with one guy on stage trying to dance. This is not what I imagined. As I was finishing my beer a few over weight fuglies started walking around.

Ok I didn't travel half way around the world for this so time to move. I decided to go to concorde Hotel as I read some great reports from that area.

The street where the concorde Hotel is located is very sketchy and not for the faint hearted. There were at least 7 hookers on the street. Did the rounds a few times and spotted a looker, wicked body, my type. Asked if she spoke English and she said no with an immediate bad attitude.

I asked her if she wanted a drink and she said she would drink at my hotel. So I stepped into the meridian bar alone. Not many girls in the there but every now and then some from the street would walk around.

The one I first spoke to came in to me and asked if I wanted short time for 50000, I said too much so she agreed 30,000. I asked where and she said a hotel for 25000. I thought these hookers would easily be able to whisk you off to a cheap short time room.

I asked her to sit down and relax and she asked how much I would give her to relax. My god, from all the reading I got the impression this would be like shooting fish in a barrel but it seems anything but. I thought she would be happy to sit and have a beer with the chance to earn some money. I straight out asked her how much for long time and she said she cannot do sleeping so I said forget it, as I got really bad vibes off her.

A while later she goes past to the toilet gets changed and then sits with a group of guys she seems very familiar with. A few minutes later they all leave together carrying bags. So it seems that's reason she cannot do long time, her pimp / BF was waiting.

Ok at this point I was starting to lose hope so I went to q bar. Nice place with the best looking girls I'd seen tonight, at least 3 to 4 very doable girls.

Sat with 1 girl and her mates and bought a few rounds which I don't normally do but fcuk it, it was my first night. She had an amazing tiny body and decent sized boobs and a cute smile.

She was keen to go back to the room and I thought the night was saved. I asked how much she would want from me tomorrow and she said it was up to me, I pushed her a bit and she again just said she'll leave it to me, big mistake. Yes I know what you guys are thinking and I know its not Thailand where I would normally just give them whatever they were worth the next day and they would be more than happy.

Got back to room stripped off got into bed and she literally just curled up into a ball. I was so looking forward to this mongering trip and smashing this little cutie but I struggled to open her legs. I really needed a fuck so I just got what I could from it, but it was one of the worst because she did nothing and showed zero interest.

The next morning I tried to get another fuck but I gave up, I don't like having to struggle like this with hookers. She got showered and was ready to go. I had 50,000 to one side for her and another 10,000 for her taxi. I didn't even think she was worth that.

This is where things take a bit of a turn which I kinda expected. She said its too small. I told her that's why I asked her in the bar and she said I would now have a problem. I was feeling very uncomfortable with this and didn't know what she meant by that statement. I asked a number of times again how much she wanted and she said 50, my god that's 130,000 I think she planned this hustle from the beginning. I wouldn't mind if I at least got a half decent fuck out of it but there was no way I was giving her 50. She then said she wanted an extra 50,000, I gave her 20,000 more and told her to go. She said again I would have a problem and left. Surely she knows in her head that she did nothing to earn that. So basically I paid 80,000 to learn a lesson which is fine by me. I really can't believe how bad the night went.

Do any of you regulars think I might have an issue with this girl if I see her again in q bar? I can't see how as she almost got double the going rate for nothing.

Today I'm going to try tinder. I'll definitely try the other bars again and hope I have a bit more luck. If anybody else is on the ground and wants to meet up DM me.

What you expect. Q Bar is a known tourist hot spot. Chicas smell a newbie from 1000 miles away. Go to tourist place pay tourist price. You did RTFF ?? Maybe you should adjust your eyesight. Just a couple of posts down sparos summed up all the prices. Tourist price is from 100k upwards. The pick up location determines the prices. High class like Qbar high price. Same chica ask in Sinza 20 to 30k. Low class/ local venue. low price. Go native. Blend in. Learn Kiswahili. Then the price will drop. This is not Asia. And beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Most African guys prefer fat ass fat chicas. If you like slim tall bodies figure out where Massai or Burundian refugees hang out.

Neddy.