American Politics

[Knowledge]

I think you nailed it about testing in the US. It won't change anything if every single American were tested. In fact, it would increase infections because even home testing kits that are mailed can spread the virus. It's all about isolation. Testing is a political football in America. Why do we hear so much about testing in American media? I believe it is because American media are more politically polarized and motivated than ever before. If you doubt that, spend an hour or two watching any of the cable news programs (you can get them on the Internet) that depend on advertising revenue and ratings. Fox, cnn, msnbc. Then spend an hour or two watching any rest of world news outlet or the cable news channels that don't depend on advertising (BBC, PBS). The difference is very striking. The ratings and advertising dependent outlets will say most anything to keep the audiences they've cultivated. More than anything else, that means 24/7 Trump.

There are many vectors. One of the now famous ones was in South Korea. An infected person was at a large mega-church conference and infected many who in turn infected many. And in Canada a dental conference and a doctors hockey tournament have infected many.

I think the testing failure was a big thing (US), but the far bigger failure is the failure to get people to isolate. Assume everyone may have it so isolate. And those that have it either recover or die. As long as they are not infecting anyone else the virus dies. It's a very simple concept. Very devastating economically but the only way to stop this thing. And that's basically what worked in China. And relentless contact tracing and testing has helped some countries. But not once it has really gotten away. And it has gotten away in the USA. No amount of testing will change anything now. Not until you get people to stop spreading it.

Testing still is important for health care workers. Don't get me wrong. You need to know that they are not spreading it. And when they have it they need to go home. But for the general population right now testing is irrelevant. In the future, yes. Some sort of testing may be needed to know who has had it and who hasn't. But that is a different test anyway.

[Chris P]

Once again most major airlines stopped flying to China prior to trump's message and the state department also advised americans against going there. Proaction steps were already being taken. That is the facts. His health advisors are the ones who convinced him to implement the restriction so don't act like he came up with the idea on his own. The only positive thing he did was listen to them. Several countries also closed their borders in January- Japan, Russia, and Pakistan. So don't act like other countries were not concerned. Also, saying you have the situation under contol before you know all the facts is poor leadership skills and he made that statement more than once. Saying you want to open up the nation on Easter is just plan stupid when the pandemic is not even close to being controlled. I guess that's showing great leadership. I am done discussing this subject.

Three US-based airlines had stopped flights prior to Trump's January restrictions, but other US and international airlines had not. Trump's early actions reduced the number of corona carriers entering the USA, against the wishes of the democrats and media who claimed it was "racist". If you were impartial you would recognise that fact and applaud him for it.

I didn't "act like he came up with the idea on his own". He listened to his health advisors, and took prompt and decisive action, much more quickly than leaders of other Western nations. That looks like good leadership skills to me.

And again, either you seem not to have read my post or your geographical knowledge is severely lacking. I said Trump was the first Western leader to implement travel restrictions on China. Russia, Pakistan and Japan are not in the West.

If you want to attack Trump for something of which he is guilty, such as rudeness to his opponents, go right ahead. But when you say things which are simply not true, and then claim your incorrect opinions to be "factual", don't be surprised when people call you out on it.

[Confiable]

Chris P is on the money and the other "Occupy Democrat" twit can please himself. I really hate it when posters use this forum to angle in their own political views.

It's obvious you can't read and comprehend. You would have known that I am an independent. I see you like to bring up labels and ignore the facts. A childish game that republicans and democrats play with each other. Grow up.

[Confiable]

You don't seem to understand what "factual" means. Saying things like "no leadership skills at all" and "he did not take this serious" is not factual, it is your opinion (and a wrong one at that). The relevant fact here is that Trump announced restrictions on entry from China way back in January, well ahead of the curve, in the face of the usual media / democrat opposition. The only other Western country to implement restrictions on China in January was Italy, which did so on the same day as Trump. Those are facts. Go research them.

Once again most major airlines stopped flying to China prior to trump's message and the state department also advised americans against going there. Proaction steps were already being taken. That is the facts. His health advisors are the ones who convinced him to implement the restriction so don't act like he came up with the idea on his own. The only positive thing he did was listen to them. Several countries also closed their borders in January- Japan, Russia, and Pakistan. So don't act like other countries were not concerned. Also, saying you have the situation under contol before you know all the facts is poor leadership skills and he made that statement more than once. Saying you want to open up the nation on Easter is just plan stupid when the pandemic is not even close to being controlled. I guess that's showing great leadership. I am done discussing this subject.

[Acejack]

You don't seem to understand what "factual" means. Saying things like "no leadership skills at all" and "he did not take this serious" is not factual, it is your opinion (and a wrong one at that). The relevant fact here is that Trump announced restrictions on entry from China way back in January, well ahead of the curve, in the face of the usual media / democrat opposition. The only other Western country to implement restrictions on China in January was Italy, which did so on the same day as Trump. Those are facts. Go research them.

Chris P is on the money and the other "Occupy Democrat" twit can please himself. I really hate it when posters use this forum to angle in their own political views.

[Chris P]

Everthing I said was factual. You can research it. You defending him will not change the facts. This is not about Obama so stop deflecting. FYI I am not a democrat. So that comment was useless. Also, it was stupid of him to make the Easter remarks contrary to the advise of medical experts. That's not even debatable. It was not smart on his part no matter how you want or try to twist it. Most of the major airlines stopped/suspended flights to China prior to Trump's annoucement. Even the state department told americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak prior to Trump.

You don't seem to understand what "factual" means. Saying things like "no leadership skills at all" and "he did not take this serious" is not factual, it is your opinion (and a wrong one at that). The relevant fact here is that Trump announced restrictions on entry from China way back in January, well ahead of the curve, in the face of the usual media / democrat opposition. The only other Western country to implement restrictions on China in January was Italy, which did so on the same day as Trump. Those are facts. Go research them.

[Confiable]

Sorry, that's just not true. Trump restricted immigration from China very early in the crisis, back when Italian mayors were encouraging people to hug the nearest chinaman. Of course the media and democrats accused him of "racism" as always, but it would be much worse if he hadn't blocked the migration.

As for his Easter comments, that is an aim not a concrete deadline. And why shouldn't we aim to get things going as fast as possible? Every week of this terrible lockdown costs hundreds of billions of dollars and sees millions of jobs and livelihoods lost. If Obama had said the exact same thing, people like you and CNN would call it "inspiring leadership". Ho hum.

Everthing I said was factual. You can research it. You defending him will not change the facts. This is not about Obama so stop deflecting. FYI I am not a democrat. So that comment was useless. Also, it was stupid of him to make the Easter remarks contrary to the advise of medical experts. That's not even debatable. It was not smart on his part no matter how you want or try to twist it. Most of the major airlines stopped/suspended flights to China prior to Trump's annoucement. Even the state department told americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak prior to Trump.

[Chris P]

As an American, you can have him. This guy minimize the threat of the virus just one day after the WHO declared it a pandemic. No leadership skills at all. From day one, he did not take this serious. Recently, Trump wants the nation opened up for Easter. He wants the churches pack with people. While new cases of coronavirus continues to rise and the death total as well. Yes, you can have him and his clown behavior.

Sorry, that's just not true. Trump restricted immigration from China very early in the crisis, back when Italian mayors were encouraging people to hug the nearest chinaman. Of course the media and democrats accused him of "racism" as always, but it would be much worse if he hadn't blocked the migration.

As for his Easter comments, that is an aim not a concrete deadline. And why shouldn't we aim to get things going as fast as possible? Every week of this terrible lockdown costs hundreds of billions of dollars and sees millions of jobs and livelihoods lost. If Obama had said the exact same thing, people like you and CNN would call it "inspiring leadership". Ho hum.

[Confiable]

The Chinese have been living with viral outbreaks for years. They've gotten used to it. We've all seen them everywhere wearing their masks. Two months ago, when masks were disappearing from retail shelves in America, I asked everywhere CVS, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware 'what happened? They all said Chinese came in and bought them all and been calling on the phone non-stop asking for more. So now what we have is the new normal, a descent to the lowest common denominator, a Chinese standard of life. There's nothing any President or any leader in the Western leader could do about this. Prepare yourself for the new normal: this virus isn't going away, or it will be succeeded by a new one. At least now we know what your government thinks your life is worth: twelve-hundred dollars.

A capitalist society / government don't care about it's people like the USA. You are speaking to the choir. Also, american history has shown this. But also it's the fault of the government allowing so many companies to move overseas. Now you have a country that is more of a consumer than a producer. Capitalism at it's finest.

[Golfinho]

This guy minimize the threat of the virus just one day after the WHO declared it a pandemic. No leadership skills at all. From day one, he did not take this serious. While new cases of coronavirus continues to rise and the death total as well.

The Chinese have been living with viral outbreaks for years. They've gotten used to it. We've all seen them everywhere wearing their masks. Two months ago, when masks were disappearing from retail shelves in America, I asked everywhere CVS, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware 'what happened? They all said Chinese came in and bought them all and been calling on the phone non-stop asking for more. So now what we have is the new normal, a descent to the lowest common denominator, a Chinese standard of life. There's nothing any President or any leader in the Western leader could do about this. Prepare yourself for the new normal: this virus isn't going away, or it will be succeeded by a new one. At least now we know what your government thinks your life is worth: twelve-hundred dollars.

[Confiable]

As an European I would be proud to have a leader as Trump! You may take the Merkel's, Wir schaffen das!, for free. How Democrats almost ruined your country!

As an American, you can have him. This guy minimize the threat of the virus just one day after the WHO declared it a pandemic. No leadership skills at all. From day one, he did not take this serious. Recently, Trump wants the nation opened up for Easter. He wants the churches pack with people. While new cases of coronavirus continues to rise and the death total as well. Yes, you can have him and his clown behavior.

[Golds]

You not have a health insurance in the US? --but you have a travel insurance, I assume? Then you much better off there in Kampala then in the war zone US with the warlord T swinging his stick. Just keep yourself 2 m away from people and hope your fuckmates are virus free.

Anyway. I survived many years of unprotected sex. I don't want to die now of an unprotected handshake.

As an European I would be proud to have a leader as Trump! You may take the Merkel's, Wir schaffen das!, for free. How Democrats almost ruined your country!

[GoodEnough]

Don't waste your time, Member #2041. Some people just believe what they want to believe.

Right you are. Facts don't work. Logical argument doesn't work. Science doesn't work. Verification of the 500 lies or so the buffoon tells each day doesn't work. In short, nothing works for those cult members. Better just to shake your head and walk away.

[Naked Gunz]

Well gents, Trump will appoint a pro-life justice. In the eighties before HIV, I rarely wore a condom with one night stands. After my son was born, and when HIV became a thing, I started to buy them. All I can say is Roe v Wade will be challenged very soon with this appointment. I will just say that my vasectomy has saved me at least three times with intensive long-term fucking with foreign women. I would encourage everyone to take this important step to protect their own financial futures. There are too many paternity court cases on TV for a reason. You cannot trust these stupid girls to not get knocked up. The maternal instinct is too strong.

[AllTooHorny]

I saw the recent developments. They don't alter the fact that Trump made a false accusation against Obama, and was called out as a liar because of it by James Comey before Congress. What the recent developments DO suggest is that a Republican in Congress (Nunes) violated his Constitutional oath in passing information to Trump which was shared in confidential briefings. The corruption is deep amongst Trump's campaign officials. Who include the aforementioned Congressman Nunes.

Even Fox News acknowledges that if people in the Trump administration were overheard, it was because FOREIGN Agents were being lawfully surveiled, and the Trump people happened to have conversations with those foreign agents who were lawfully and appropriately being monitored. That is not in any way, shape, or form what Trump improperly called Obama out for doing, and which Comey made clear, was a false accusation made by Trump. Nothing in this new disclosure alters that fact - although it DOES impugn the credibility of Devin Nunes, and suggests that Nunes acted in violation of his oath of office.

BTW, Fox News is not a reputable news outlet, so you need to come up with a more reliable citation from a less biased source in order to have it given any credence (and BTW, Breitbart doesn't qualify). That being said, they seem to have gotten the facts correct, and only their spin and emphasis wrong. In fact, this disclosure is even MORE damning to the Trump administration, because it shows that they were in fact in contact with foreign agents who were appropriately under U.S. Intelligence Surveillance at the time.

Don't waste your time, Member #2041. Some people just believe what they want to believe.