Uganda

[Acoles]

Yes, it is easy but before you both have to make a test.

How do one get tested there? Self test or clinic?

[JonesLover]

How strict are girls in Uganda with condoms? Is bareback sex easy to get?

Yes, it is easy but before you both have to make a test.

[Acoles]

How strict are girls in Uganda with condoms? Is bareback sex easy to get?

[Taiwan Laowai]

If you quoted in PHP than it's way off. I would say 90% of Filipinos make less than 10,000 PHP which is about $200. As per Uganda you may want to find out how much a police officer makes, a teacher in public school, middle school, high school etc. How much a sales person makes in a supermarket etc. I read somewhere that a police officer in Uganda makes about $95 per moth. Could you find out if that's really true?

This is for Manila area and it is in PHP. Compensation has pretty much doubled since I started spending a lot of time there in 2011.

Even the lowliest housekeeper or other staff in my condo make at least 15 K plus benefits. Same for admin staff. At those levels, it's difficult to attract decent people. Some positions don't even require a high school diploma. The labor market in Metro Manila before COVID-19 was tight so anyone who wanted to work and was not too old could easily find 15 K or above. As for the ones in the fringe economy, it probably varies a lot. How attractive is the girl and how proactive is she? I think some of the more homely massage girls around Burgo may goes days sometimes without a client. Of course, the unemployed classes are not earning directly too. But in general, it's very challenging to live in Metro Manila for a family without at least 20 K or so.

[AttilaTheHun]

Over 98% earn under 238 K Pesos.

75% earn 139 K or less.

50% earn 51 K or less.

25% earn 29 K or less but this is probably the sweet spot for most mongers.

BTW, I just crossed over into Tanzania and am in Bukoba. Will fly to Dar tomorrow or Sunday.

Impression so far, infrastructure and roads noticeably better, more laid back and friendly, but hotel and restaurant service seems like a step down. Will say more after a few days.

If you quoted in PHP than it's way off. I would say 90% of Filipinos make less than 10,000 PHP which is about $200. As per Uganda you may want to find out how much a police officer makes, a teacher in public school, middle school, high school etc. How much a sales person makes in a supermarket etc. I read somewhere that a police officer in Uganda makes about $95 per moth. Could you find out if that's really true?

[Albert9989]

Very nice post, but your stories about security looks like what I experienced during my 7 years in ivory coast, but many years ago.

I cannot count the number of times I had a police gun targeting me or a full squadron of soldiers and police wanting to put me in jail for any reason, or a motorcycled policeman which I tried to lose with my small car. Without success. Etc.

We were used to say "that's Africa, man. ".

[JonesLover]

I think I might know what Jones Lover means with his posts praising Kampala.

Yes, you made goal.

I repeat, I don't look only sex but a lot more. They must be as beautiful as the best models, otherwise I don't fuck. Ahahahaha.

They love to be with me for one week or more and I enjoy slowly slowly. And they are happy to satisfy me in everything because they imagine I will call them every time I reach Kampala.

[JonesLover]

All African girls lie so Ugandan girls are no different. How can you say Ugandan girls are better than Angolan girls if you didn't fuck any? It doesn't make sense. Try before judging don't you think?

As for Africa each country is different and in each country you can find nice willing girls if you look enough depending on your taste of course.

Objectively Angolan girls have much nicer faces than Ugandan girls. As for the body and sex it depends on the girl of course you can't generalize.

As for the city itself Kampala is a shithole not as much as Manila of course but still.

I ask you a question: have you ever gone to Luanda? I believe not, otherwise you wouldn't have scrutinized all this.

I talked to may girls form Luanda and I understood their culture. Yes, you are right, girls from Luanda are more beautiful than those in Kampala but they have a Brazilian culture and I don't like it. Sure, I can't understand how hot they are in the bed but I don't like to get only sex, I like to get a lot more from a girl.

Kampala girls are more submissive and they do whatever you want, while Luanda's girls behave in very different ways. Also you can surprise the girls of Kampala with little, instead you can't surprise the girls from Luanda, even if you buy them nice gifts. Do you understand? All this my balance needle hangs on Kampala.

If you like only sex, go to Luanda. If you know Luanda, I hope you can contradict me, I would be happy.

[Taiwan Laowai]

I think I might know what Jones Lover means with his posts praising Kampala.

Based on what I saw from Tinder profiles and the few girls I met up with in Kampala and Entebbe, many there are playing the long game. They are expressing interest in serious dating and discouraging or refusing hook-ups. Very few profiles I saw ask for hook-up whereas when I was in Accra, Ghana, it seemed like either half had a description which stated "hook-ups only". Also, many of the girl behave sweetly and like to text to see how you are doing, etc. So he may be finding that GFE and / or longer term dating is easier to find in Kampala than in other African cities outside Uganda that he's visited.

Now I will wrap up my initial impressions of Kampala and Uganda and share some experiences.

1. Customer service at hotels and restaurants has been great to excellent. Food is much better than what I generally find in Philippines too. Service staff understand the basics and have good hospitality common sense. On the other hand, this small town of Bukoba Tanzania seems like a step back to the Philippines. The hotels and restaurants are more disorganized and you have to spend considerable time explaining to service staff what they should already know. My aircon room did not have a working aircon yesterday so I had to change. English level is generally pretty low. And the staff just seem a little bit more lacking in sense. But this is just a small town. Let's see what Dar is like and after that, I'll reassess.

2. Kampala and Uganda may not be as safe as people think, both for those who live there and those who visit.

A. It's not uncommon to have your phone or bags snatched. It happened to a few people I know there.

Be. The police, guards, and other authorities are way to gung-ho, kinda like USA police. I had a couple of awful experiences. On first occasion, I went out jogging around my neighborhood as I had been doing every 2-3 days before. When I was running down a hill, apparently a police officer called me over but I didn't hear him because I had my earphones in. Finally when I ran back up the hill, he stopped me and said I was being charged with attempted murder. There had been a new decree a day or two prior that said jogging was no longer allowed and violators of any COVID-19 related rules would be automatically charged with attempted murder which is not bailable. So I had this angry cop shouting at me about how the truck is coming to pick me up for jail in a few minutes. Mind you, I had seen a few other people jogging as well before I encountered this officer. Fortunately, an employee from my nearby hotel walked by, looked over, and was instructed by the officer to bring hotel manager over. They were supposed to have informed me of these decrees. A few minutes later she came and after a bit more time, I was finally released after having been there nearly an hour. That was a pretty traumatic experience as over 4,000 people were arrested and thrown in jail for the COVID stuff. A couple weeks ago, the president finally instructed police to release those who had not done anything serious.

More recently, I had an even scarier experience. I was heading up to Entebbe to spend the night and meet a girl. My Uber driver who I know somewhat personally is a well educated and smart guy in his 20's. But somehow, he made the mistake of entering the freeway when a presidential special forces convoy was on the road. The traffic enforcer was supposed to block us from entering the ramp but somehow missed us. And my driver kept driving in spite of the marked vehicles on the highway but no other cars. I was chilling in front seat and not paying a lot of attention to the road or what was going on outside. Finally, when we got near the Entebbe exit ramp, one of the SUVs pulled next to us and I saw the passenger say something to my driver. We then pulled over to the right and as soon as we stopped, the guy put the business end of his Israeli assault weapon right to my drivers head and made a motion that indicated he was ready to pull the trigger. My driver was begging for his life I was in the line of fire because from his angle, my head was right behind my driver's. But after about 10 seconds, he pulled back the gun and the vehicle just drove away. I suspect he saw me, a white tourist, and decided not to follow through with shooting my driver or taking him to their camp. Later in my hotel, the guy in charge explained that we must have crossed the so-called redline or something and my driver should have known to pull to the side the moment he saw the marked SUVs. Given that it's an election period and that we have COVID-19 restrictions, there seems to be a lot of paranoia and anger in the air.

3. Those with any power tend to act rude and like disturbing people.

When I was taking pictures around the mall, a guard there came up to me and asked who I was photographing. He was about to ask me a bunch of questions regarding my photos but fortunately, my date showed up and this gave me an excuse to leave immediately.

At immigration, staff outside constantly shout at people about social distancing, where to stand, how to wash hands, etc. They jump on every little mistake people going there to renew visas or do other business accidentally make.

Finally, in order to travel to border province and cross into Tanzania, we spent a couple days going to various ministries to get required stamps, etc. The first day we had 3 foreigners. Myself (white American), a Finnish girl, and a large sized Congolese Austrian professional player of American football. We also had a driver who helped us in communicating with officers at various offices and ministries. They were pretty rude to him but at least we made some progress. The second day, we went back to some of these offices to finish the process but suffered a lot of abuse and misleading instructions from the various persons in charge. The football player was so mad he wanted to punch one of them but on the other hand, was tempted to offer a bribe since that would probably work. The Finnish girl wanted to do it with no bribes but her straightforward nature and loud voice put them off. She ended up getting scolded for several minutes and called an idiot. The Congolese guy told me Africans in general get offended by women who behave like her. Anyway, we finally got what we needed after 2 days but had to suffer a lot of rudeness and abuse which sucks.

Generally, I found Ugandans to be friendly in personal relationships but when they are in position of authority, they lord it over people and love to bark out orders and commands. They also like asking too many questions.

Given all the above, how can anyone consider Uganda to be a friendly country? The authorities there act a lot like American police officers, maybe even worse. That really sucks.

The last girl I met before leaving was someone from Tinder who I went up to Entebbe to see. She was perhaps the best looking and sexiest of all the ones I met. However, at 27, she had a 10 year old child (single mum usually not my thing) and he played the slow game and would barely let me touch her in the room. Before 7 pm, she left for home but wanted to meet the next day. I decided just to go back early in the morning instead. But later she called and texted and was disappointed. I would have stayed if she had been warmer and more affectionate the first night.

As far as looks goes, I think Ugandan girls are generally not as attractive as girl from several of the tribes in neighboring countries.

Here in small town Tanzania so far, people in public seem a lot softer and less sensitive. Majority are Muslim so dress style is significantly different than what you see in Uganda. But still, thy seem better looking, taller, and many are lighter skinned.

[Muzungufotsy]

Fortunately, each of us thinks differently. I have traveled the world extensively but not much in Africa. I have been to Manila several times and find Kampala the best city in the world. I have been going to Kampala for several years and I'm unable to cut the umbilical cord with Kampala. A few months ago I was in Angola for a job and I never fucked an Angolan girl. To fuck I went back to Kampla because I love the behavior of Ugandan girls. Only one thing I don't like about them: their lies. In a few months I will be returning to Angola, and I will have to pay a higher ticket to return to Kampala. But I will go back to Kampala, surely. I don't think Angolan girls can give you what the Ugandans give you.

If you know other African countries, write which country is better than Kampala for mongering.

All African girls lie so Ugandan girls are no different. How can you say Ugandan girls are better than Angolan girls if you didn't fuck any? It doesn't make sense. Try before judging don't you think?

As for Africa each country is different and in each country you can find nice willing girls if you look enough depending on your taste of course.

Objectively Angolan girls have much nicer faces than Ugandan girls. As for the body and sex it depends on the girl of course you can't generalize.

As for the city itself Kampala is a shithole not as much as Manila of course but still.

[JonesLover]

Fortunately, each of us thinks differently. I have traveled the world extensively but not much in Africa. I have been to Manila several times and find Kampala the best city in the world. I have been going to Kampala for several years and I'm unable to cut the umbilical cord with Kampala. A few months ago I was in Angola for a job and I never fucked an Angolan girl. To fuck I went back to Kampla because I love the behavior of Ugandan girls. Only one thing I don't like about them: their lies. In a few months I will be returning to Angola, and I will have to pay a higher ticket to return to Kampala. But I will go back to Kampala, surely. I don't think Angolan girls can give you what the Ugandans give you.

If you know other African countries, write which country is better than Kampala for mongering.

[Taiwan Laowai]

Over 98% earn under 238 K Pesos.

75% earn 139 K or less.

50% earn 51 K or less.

25% earn 29 K or less but this is probably the sweet spot for most mongers.

BTW, I just crossed over into Tanzania and am in Bukoba. Will fly to Dar tomorrow or Sunday.

Impression so far, infrastructure and roads noticeably better, more laid back and friendly, but hotel and restaurant service seems like a step down. Will say more after a few days.

[Member #4673]

in that nightmare of a city with all the commuting, etc.

You just perfectly defined Kampala. End of story.

[Taiwan Laowai]

The GDP per capita in Uganda is around $700 and $450 in Madagascar. When it comes to expats from some of these countries then it's a different story. For example an average salary for Filipinos in a city in the Philippines is about 10,000 php ($200) in a country with a GDP per capita of around $3000. However Filipino American's household income is around $84,620 and that makes them the 6th higher earners int he US. American whites medium household income is only $67,865 and that places them to 32nd place! I don't have statistics of Ugandans and Malagasy people but it's not difficult to imagine that they are doing well and even better than American whites just like many other groups in the US and in the West. As per salaries in Uganda concerns I donlt think I'ts more than $30 or $40 per month based on the GDP per capita. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

American diaspora from various countries/ethnicities is very skewed. I think Taiwanese and Indians there earn well over 100 K USD and even some groups like Nigerians do very well with a very high percentage holding graduate degrees and earning a large income.

I am involved in the operations of a non-profit condo corporation and we don't pay anyone less than around 16 K pre month plus there are various benefits we add. The highest is about 65,000 for top manager plus some incentives. Last 2 girls I dated seriously were at 55 K (government CPA) and 28 K (industrial sales). I really can't imagine anyone working for under 15 K in that nightmare of a city with all the commuting, etc. And I don't know how unemployed ones get by if they are not in the game and don't have others in the family carrying them.

US $527 vs. 642 is what I see listed as nominal GDP per capita for Mada and Uganda respectively but if you instead use PPP adjustment, Uganda becomes 50% higher than Mada.

Comparing Kampala to Metro Manila would be an interesting report. I noticed in Kampala that bureaucrats are not just inefficient but can be downright combative. At least in Philippines, they speak softly and call you sir while they waste your time haha.

[AttilaTheHun]

I think this is probably accurate. I've been asking people with jobs their salaries and many who are educated seem to be making 100 - 200 USD. I will check some more in coming days. The guys who run the place I'm staying now are young, educated, and very sharp. They can talk about very deep topics and have a good awareness of what is going on around the world. Yet their pay here is only like $150 I believe. And these guys were handpicked by the owners (an American guy and Taiwanese girl).

From the top down, look no further than GDP per capita either nominal or PPP. Once again, Uganda rates extremely low, not really much higher than Madagascar surprisingly.

However, the Malagasy women I met on the flight over claims to be making US $2,000 per month as an expat in some sort of trading company. She did have a company vehicle but later I found out she was also involved in network marketing (fishy) and her rent allowance (company paid) is only 900,000 Shillings per month.

The GDP per capita in Uganda is around $700 and $450 in Madagascar. When it comes to expats from some of these countries then it's a different story. For example an average salary for Filipinos in a city in the Philippines is about 10,000 php ($200) in a country with a GDP per capita of around $3000. However Filipino American's household income is around $84,620 and that makes them the 6th higher earners int he US. American whites medium household income is only $67,865 and that places them to 32nd place! I don't have statistics of Ugandans and Malagasy people but it's not difficult to imagine that they are doing well and even better than American whites just like many other groups in the US and in the West. As per salaries in Uganda concerns I donlt think I'ts more than $30 or $40 per month based on the GDP per capita. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income