South Africa

[Golfinho]

Staying in Hatfield to collect a visit in one of the Consulates nearby, I was anticipating a subdued week, with perhaps finding something online -- but it wasn't necessary. There's a University, the town is full of girls, and guesthouses to take them. What they expect varies a lot, so probe pricing beforehand to prevent a surprise. And also, approach carefully out of sight of any guys, around which they act totally different. I'll be returning soon and looking forward to it this time. Eastwood's good for food and drink evenings.

[CkNice11]

Brothers, I have a quick question regarding Summit and Royal Park in Johannesburg. What is the best time to go there? Or does it really matter? I'm asking because I would like to go over there during the day but I'm not sure if the selection of women will be where I want it to be at the time. I believe Summit says they're open starting at 10 am. Your thoughts? I've read back a good ways and I don't see any reports that speak to the time of day people went. Thanks.

The best time to go is about 9 or 10. That's when they got the most girls. With that said you can still find some good action in the day time.

[Mongmann]

Brothers, I have a quick question regarding Summit and Royal Park in Johannesburg. What is the best time to go there? Or does it really matter? I'm asking because I would like to go over there during the day but I'm not sure if the selection of women will be where I want it to be at the time. I believe Summit says they're open starting at 10 am. Your thoughts? I've read back a good ways and I don't see any reports that speak to the time of day people went. Thanks.

[DgWarMyMan82]

Ahhh, a Passport Bro that is done with Brazil LOL. Just kidding my man. I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm also in the US and black outside of making good money, US offers less and less for us. African continent with good funds offers more in terms of quality of life.

South Africa I think you'll be good for, especially Joburg / Jozi. Very cosmopolitan and good infrastructure. Best of the West but the freedom of Africa. And you, as a black man, should do well granted you dress well, are in decent shape and know how to talk to women. People speak English here so much better than Brazil, DR or Colombia that other black folks are flocking to.

South Africa is good to relocate but there will be crime and this is still a racist society. Difference is the black far out number the whites. And you, as an American, will be somewhat shielded from the issues native black South africans face. I suggest an 'in between' type of set up where you spend like 8 months in SA then 4 months across maybe the US and some other location.

Now onto SA women. SA is known for having some of the curviest if not curviest women in the world. Google 'Tits in Tops South Africa' and just follow that thread to see what I'm talking about. They are thick but you will see a lot of BBWs and SSBBWs, even if they have the shape (thick thighs, phat ass, big boobs), so just know that. But there are still a plethora of slim thick chicks out there..

Well, sad to say, I think I am done with Brazil once I leave here for SA. It was a nightmare getting situated here with all the bureaucracy and scams. Then after about 3 months, I was able to move out of Airbnb's into an apartment which was the biggest mistake. I moved into a beachfront condominium in Barra the Tijuca, the upscale area to the west of the tourist areas such as Copacabana. Anyway, the condominium was gated with armed security and cameras throughout the building and so I thought I was good. Well, I didn't notice until about 4 months later that several of my things were missing such as clothes, kitchen items, electronic accessories, et cetera. Once I realized that the condominium staff had been stealing from me then other things began to make sense. For example, I bought an air mattress when I first moved-in to hold me over until I could find a bed. Strangely, within 3 days the mattress was completely flat but at the time I thought it was due to poor quality. Moreover, someone intentionally poked it with a needle. I also thought things in my refrigerator were placed different from how I left them but was never really sure. What I later realized is they were tampering with my food and ice machine maker, basically attempting to poison me. Well, once I realized all this, I contacted the owner of the apartment who then played it off, saying that she'd never heard of anyone's apartment being robbed before. The she wanted to know who I thought was responsible which was very odd to me. When I confronted the condominium staff, they quoted things I told her in their counterargument, which made it obvious the entire situation was a setup. Long story short, I've basically had to stay inside for the last 8 months due to real concerns over what these people might attempt to do if I leave for an extended period. Besides that, I'm just exhausted with Brazil. I feel like you can't ever just relax here because there's always someone trying to run a scam.

Anyway, everything you said sounds great. It's definitely what I'm looking for. I'm aware and fine with the crime situation. It definitely won't be any worse than what I've had to deal with here in Brazil. The infrastructure is definitely what sold me. I like the new apartments around the Midrand area and the modern security such as biometrics entry and professionalized security staff. I'm also aware of the racism in SA but I don't think it'll be any worse than here in Brazil. And I'm almost sure if I do encounter any prejudice that it won't be anything close to the blatant hate that I've experienced here in Brazil. Just to put that into perspective, I've been traveling since 2003 with visits to more than 30 countries and more than 15 years living abroad. That said, Brazil is the most racist and shady country I've ever been to and there isn't even a close second. I honestly like the fact that SA isn't a hotspot for Passport Bros, mainly because the distance and flight time. I think places such as Brazil, Colombia, and DR have been mostly ruined because so many people have travelled to those countries over the years and created a certain stigma among the locals. I think it's to the point now that you can't really trust anything in these places because I hear similar horror stories about Colombia and DR as well.

Thanks for the suggestion on splitting time between SA and the states but I'm moving there fulltime. I'm from California and just don't have the energy to live between two places at this point, especially not with the distance between SA and the states. However, I do plan to travel around to other African countries once I get settled, seeing as Africa is the only continent that I haven't visited yet. I'll definitely send you a PM once I get closer to relocating there. I'm still a few months out from leaving Brazil. I still need a few months to figure out a plan to ship my things and to closeout everything here. After that, I'll have to go back to the states to do the visa process for permanent residence before I'm ready to relocate. Right now, I'm thinking that I won't be in SA until the 3rd quarter of 2023 at the earliest but definitely before the end of the year.

[Zakmo]

Thanks a lot for the info. By the way, I'm African-American and so I appreciate the tip on race and relationships. That's part of the reason I'm moving to South Africa to be honest. Long story short, Brazil has been a nightmare for me due to its issues with racism / colorism. It's easy to meet women here but it's everything else that's the problem. It's one of those places that's great for a temporary stay but once you live here everything changes. Anyway, I'm just looking for a new country where I can live without always looking over my shoulder with concerns about xenophobic and racist locals, crime, and thereat there's a high quality-of-life. Along with beautiful women. I've chosen South Africa mainly due to the high standard of living and modern infrastructure although I still don't know much about the women there. I tried doing some scouting using Tinder and other dating apps just to see what the women look like but the results have been very disappointing thus far. It seems like attractive women (in South Africa) don't use dating apps because all I predominately see are 'big girls' looking for a date. I won't lie that does concern me a bit but at this point my first priority is improving my quality-of-life versus the mistake I made with moving to Brazil with women as the priority.

Ahhh, a Passport Bro that is done with Brazil LOL. Just kidding my man. I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm also in the US and black outside of making good money, US offers less and less for us. African continent with good funds offers more in terms of quality of life.

South Africa I think you'll be good for, especially Joburg / Jozi. Very cosmopolitan and good infrastructure. Best of the West but the freedom of Africa. And you, as a black man, should do well granted you dress well, are in decent shape and know how to talk to women. People speak English here so much better than Brazil, DR or Colombia that other black folks are flocking to.

South Africa is good to relocate but there will be crime and this is still a racist society. Difference is the black far out number the whites. And you, as an American, will be somewhat shielded from the issues native black South africans face. I suggest an 'in between' type of set up where you spend like 8 months in SA then 4 months across maybe the US and some other location.

Now onto SA women. SA is known for having some of the curviest if not curviest women in the world. Google 'Tits in Tops South Africa' and just follow that thread to see what I'm talking about. They are thick but you will see a lot of BBWs and SSBBWs, even if they have the shape (thick thighs, phat ass, big boobs), so just know that. But there are still a plethora of slim thick chicks out there.

With dating apps, the same rule applies in SA and in any other country. The best of the best women won't be there for long or usually aren't on there. The top tier chicks you'll usually just see on ground (malls, clubs, social venues etc). Africa is still largely boots on the ground type thing. Think about it, a 10/10 chick doesn't need to stay too long at a bar before someone chats them up.

I'm actually headed back to SA in a few months. I'd be happy to give you some pointers as well, PM me and we can exchange emails. If you read this SA thread / forum you'll see there was another Black american brother that went to SA for the first time after doing a lot of DR and Colombia I believe, dude said SA is the spot.

[DgWarMyMan82]

Like any other major cosmo city. Present well, interact well with women and you're fine. Women are fine with older relationships, but do keep in mind, if you're an older white man and looking to date younger attractive black women then you may run into a few issues here and there as some girls don't want to seen as sugar babies publicly and the biggest tip off is a white older man and younger black lady.

But generally speaking, go to the right lounges, social spots and you'll see women in spades.

Thanks a lot for the info. By the way, I'm African-American and so I appreciate the tip on race and relationships. That's part of the reason I'm moving to South Africa to be honest. Long story short, Brazil has been a nightmare for me due to its issues with racism / colorism. It's easy to meet women here but it's everything else that's the problem. It's one of those places that's great for a temporary stay but once you live here everything changes. Anyway, I'm just looking for a new country where I can live without always looking over my shoulder with concerns about xenophobic and racist locals, crime, and thereat there's a high quality-of-life. Along with beautiful women. I've chosen South Africa mainly due to the high standard of living and modern infrastructure although I still don't know much about the women there. I tried doing some scouting using Tinder and other dating apps just to see what the women look like but the results have been very disappointing thus far. It seems like attractive women (in South Africa) don't use dating apps because all I predominately see are 'big girls' looking for a date. I won't lie that does concern me a bit but at this point my first priority is improving my quality-of-life versus the mistake I made with moving to Brazil with women as the priority.

[Zakmo]

I'm a 40-year old American expat living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on a retirement visa but intend to relocate to South Africa in early-2024 on a permanent residence permit as a retiree. That said, I'd like some insight in terms of how easy is it to meet normal women in Johannesburg and / or other major cities in SA? Also, how do the younger women (mid-20's to early-30's) view relationships with older men in my age range (40-45)? I'd greatly appreciate any info anyone can offer.

Like any other major cosmo city. Present well, interact well with women and you're fine. Women are fine with older relationships, but do keep in mind, if you're an older white man and looking to date younger attractive black women then you may run into a few issues here and there as some girls don't want to seen as sugar babies publicly and the biggest tip off is a white older man and younger black lady.

But generally speaking, go to the right lounges, social spots and you'll see women in spades.

[DgWarMyMan82]

I'm a 40-year old American expat living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on a retirement visa but intend to relocate to South Africa in early-2024 on a permanent residence permit as a retiree. That said, I'd like some insight in terms of how easy is it to meet normal women in Johannesburg and / or other major cities in SA? Also, how do the younger women (mid-20's to early-30's) view relationships with older men in my age range (40-45)? I'd greatly appreciate any info anyone can offer.

[Param Ahmad]

"The South African government has introduced a plan to decriminalize prostitution, hoping to combat the growing violence against women. . . . It is hoped that decriminalization will reduce human rights violations against sex workers."

https://thecradlelife.com/legislatio...ony-ademiluyi/

[Boomshaka]

Wondering if anyone would advise on the Tinder and Seeking Arrangements scene in Cape Town. It it a long game, or are there plenty of fish in the sea? Also, any recommendations or directories on erotic massage in Cape Town -- not really into the escorting scene, but always appreciate a good rub and tug.

It's been a while since I partook in South Africa, but Escort South Africa was the go-to resource back then and, based on the current posts, it seems like little has changed.

Back then all escorts also offered massage and most were pretty good at it, too. They just charged the same as with full service so I never just did a rub / tug.

In terms of locals, I'm in the US and I regularly get matched with South Africans (specifically) on Bumble and that's without even trying. Not so much on Tinder, but that may be due to location settings. At any rate, I don't think you'll have any shortage of local women matching with you on either app.

That said, my experience with locals in South Africa is that they're very clingy and don't always put out. I ended up spending more connecting with locals than I did with professionals and the experience / performance was rarely as good. Towards the end of my travels there I connected with bar girls outside the bars. Just had to buy them food and perfume (or a nice outfit) and you were good for at least a week.

[Mozie]

Where is the pretty white pussy to be found in South Africa? That's what we want to know! Haha!

Had some of the best experience with a white girl in cape town. I forgot her name (may be Anna or something like that).

Found her online on an escort site.

1500 ZAR including anal. Had her for 1 HR and we exceeded a little bit. She was OK with everything. Let me took pictures. She really participated in the whole thing.

Face: 3/10.

Ass: 8/10.

Tits: 9/10.

Service 10/10.

[Vandelayart]

Wondering if anyone would advise on the Tinder and Seeking Arrangements scene in Cape Town. It it a long game, or are there plenty of fish in the sea? Also, any recommendations or directories on erotic massage in Cape Town -- not really into the escorting scene, but always appreciate a good rub and tug.

[CarlRoss37]

Hi guys,

I am in the Menlyn area for a few days. Are there any pointers for day time mongering in Pretoria that I can try out?

[Vecky98]

On my recent trip to Durban what pleasantly surprised me was the availability of Indian street walkers on the North Beach area. Some were pretty attractive, also it was early in the day, I did not partake as I was with family. Should imagine they are more affordable rides versus the ladies of Durban North. Indian ladies of Umlhanga are going to cost, so you need deep pockets.

I think SW everywhere of any origin will be a little less expensive, be it Indian or anyone else.

[Vecky98]

Where is the pretty white pussy to be found in South Africa? That's what we want to know! Haha!

Night clubs and bars are the places where you should look out for them. And some fashion events too.