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[Kiasu]

Bravo to Eric T for his great post.

You can call me chicken as I don't dare to look for P4P in Saudi, I would rather drive over to Bahrain to relief my stressful body over the weekend. Nevertheless, thanks for the post, brother.

[Eric T]

I have come across a number of negotiations these past 10 days. What I am noticing more and more now is that semi-pros are insisting on locals and shun from other nationalities for diff reasons unless backed by a strong referal. The westerners are declined due to political beliefs and fear of STDs and the asian guys for fear that they cant afford it. Typical stereotype beliefs. I am sure this is not the case in higher tiers, I'm talking about the b-list here primarily.

Also, since we're still in vacation season till the end of this month, many of the young ones havent come back. At least in Riyad, I'm stuck with 30+ year olds... whom I declined.

Have a few good prospects lined up in the pipeline for "back to school" season hehehe... lets see whats coming after 2 weeks. Will keep you guys posted if anything happens.

Eric

[MKH]

Nice post. Any news for my Dubai hotel reservation. I found this site the best place to ask for my hotel reservation. When the reply is expected. Someone offered me here 200 in London Crown. What do you suggest? Confirm me for the four point Sheraton. I am waiting brother.

MKH

[Eric T]

Heh heh Eric, sounds a whole lot easier to just drive over to Bahrain (not to mention cost effective).

Yes it is. For residents of the Eastern Province who have multiple Exit/Re-Entry Visas and hence are an hour's drive away from Bahrain. But residing in Riyad, wouldnt you think that its a whole lot easier to drive for 15 mins to my chica's residence?

I in fact once drove to the Eastern Province in hunt for the elusive arab cooch. See FR. I wouldnt like to drive 8 hours in one day and do it again. Nor do I like to drive over the weekend for the same.

Cost effective? Actually, if I factor in the travel cost for me... its about the same with Riyad being negligibly costlier.

In fact a friend of mine in the Jedda/Mecca area laughs that "all y'all are gettin ripped off in Riyad and/or Bahrain"

At the end of the day, its what suits you.

Eric - excellent detailed post from one of the few guys who know the scene there. Bahrain is okay, of course, but home-cookin' is better!

Cheers

Piper

You said it mate.... you said it

Cheers!

Eric

[Piper1]

Eric - excellent detailed post from one of the few guys who know the scene there. Bahrain is okay, of course, but home-cookin' is better!

Cheers

Piper

[JP2U]

Heh heh Eric, sounds a whole lot easier to just drive over to Bahrain (not to mention cost effective).

[Eric T]

Hello everybody,

Well, the forum has been unavailable for some time hence I wasn’t able to post but let’s hope the screeners don't get a wind of this new website name.

I thought I'd just post a quick summary of the scene here in Riyad:

Yes it does exist

Now that we have THAT mystery finally answered to let me indulge you in some details:

Type: There are 2 main types of p4p in Riyad (in KSA I'd think) : Arab and non-Arab. Both types can be divided in sub-types of Nationalities: Saudi, Lebanese, Moroccan, Syrian, Egyptian, Ethiopian, Misc African, Filipino, Indonesian, Sri Lankan, and Indian.

You'd generally find that non-Arab is cheaper than Arab. Moreover, generally the Arabs stick with Arabs and the non- with the non- but YOUR nationality will play a big part in what you can land. I have had some experiences where the Arab provider or its manager was uppity knowing that the potential customer is westerner whereas in other instances it was considered positive. Non-Arabs are more accomodating.

Place: I cannot emphasize this enough, having a nice safe place is very important. I have seen many deals fall through due to that requirement not fulfilled.

Sometimes the provider seems picky: I have had an instance where the provider was afraid of compounds particularly western due to the security concerns and in another instance it was to one's preference. Generally, if told that you don’t have a place of your own or you mention hotel is a deal breaker... so don’t. Get a place, borrow your friend's for a day or something.

Then there is always the prospect of a Bachelor Pad. Bad Idea. The chances of people reporting some place where couples get together in an otherwise empty residence are Very High. There is of course a workaround: Have someone live there and share the cost. But still make sure you dont have locals or arabs in the building as expats will usually stay clear of what others do.

Price & Tiers: You'd find 4 tiers of service providers a-, b-, c-, and d-list with prices ranging from SAR 5,000 a night to 100 per shot. It all matters on beauty, physique, marital status, age, tier, nationality, how affluent is the provider i.e. how badly she needs it, etc. Generally, 500 to 1000 for the first time is ok. But desperate types have messed up the rates here and seems all ask 1000 or above nowadays (a- and b-list). C-list usually goes for 300 per shot and d-list (runaway maids held by captors mainly) can be had for 100 a shot or even bought for a few thousand.

Riyad is more inflated than Jedda/Mecca and the Eastern Province. Price differences range from 35% more to four times the price over there. If the provider has a nice place (which is the way I prefer it) then the price is also higher.

Menu: BBBJ and FS is the norm more depends on how much are you spending. I had one provider tell me anal was a big no no until a few visits later and then offered it at more cost. Also depends on nationality. Some simply dont do that, What ever that may be. If you are bedding a local then you just may get ONLY anal because that hymen is very precious if you know the traditional/cultural norm here.

I Like it, How do I sign up? How does one land all that? The answer is through the social network. You HAVE to be introduced by someone. Rarely would you be interacting and dealing direct (unless its a mall encounter type which can be non p4p as well). In p4p, you are usually referred by someone. Who are those "someones"? It may be a colleague who you have confirmed also indulges, may be someone proposes to you the prospect (many westerners who have the profile i.e. single and making good money get approached) but be careful there as there just may be fishing you out. It can even be a taxi driver but usually their quality varies from medium to god awful.

No matter how you land a contact, KEEP A LOW PROFILE. Don't go about boasting to no matter whom. Simply don’t tell ANYONE is my policy.

You have something(s)... You're getting laid... Good! No need to tell anyone.

The Trade: There will be times when someone may offer exchange of contacts. It has happened but rare. Usually it’s a fake having nothing and hoping you'd land him something. How well do you know the person pretty much is the rule here. Never forget the Too Good to Be True Scenario. If someone claims to know an 18 yo virgin who will do everything on the menu for the whole night for just 1,000 means they're hoping you're residing in Lala Land.

Hope that answers many of the "I just came here and this place is the pits! Please tell me how to get p4p here..." type questions.

Cheers!

Eric

[Wise Brown Owl]

I am an expat stuck in Riyadh for a year... live on a Western compound etc. Anyone with P4P contacts in this Magic Kingdom please PM me.

Thanks guys

[Member #2136]

Met a new gentelman who provides ladies of the evening through a friend, called him up (in Jeddah) he told me he had a Moroccan available, so went over to "visit" the lady in question looks wise she was a 4.5 but in action it was a -10 made me feel like a necrophile, I mean the it was like poking a dead body... No interaction what so ever. But still not as bad as the lady in the last post. the cost was SAR 100/shot.

[Member #2136]

Now that the Umrah season has started *new* folks are comming into the market. Unfortunately my suplier got busted in the post Hajj crackdown.

I came accross an Egyptian couple that is in Makkah for "Umrah" and making some money on the side, the "husband" is renting out the wife for SAR 150/shot, the lady in question is arournd a 7.5 (6.5 Eric T's standards) in looks with nice and firm body but the attitude sucks, as soon as one gets alone with her she tries to get extra funds out of you.

I don't know about the rest of you folks but I find it disconcerting if some one asks you for more money will you are STILL doing the act. I must say that she was probably one of the worst experiances I've had (Yes Eric even worse than the Paki broad who I saw and turned tail to run for the car atleast I didn't lose money in that transaction).

[Sporadic]

Mikster,

I thought I smelled a little booze on your "breath" with that post.

I am sorry your experiences in the middle east were not positive, I only wish you could have met the dozens, nay hundreds, of fine Arab and Muslim gentlemen I have enjoyed meeting and working with.

As a senior member, I see that you have deleted the post, well done.
It takes a man to admit his mistakes.

With your attitude of contrition, I am certain that all will be forgiven by any Muslims who read the original. Arabs are very generous people.

On a personal note, every really stupid thing I have ever done, was done "under the influence." Join the club. The good news is that this one you can erase. I wish I could erase a few of mine.

Cheers,

Sporadic

[Mikster]

Im sorry for my comments. I suppose being in that part of the world jaded me to an extreme degree. The truth is, I was drunk when I posted it and wish I had not. I probably thought I was being clever and funny, but obviously not. I shall look within me and find the fault that lays there. Sorry to anyone offended by my ridiculous comments.

Later,

Milkster

[JP2U]

As a Muslim, and seeing the comments of the last few gentlemen, I am more humbled by the graciousness of Americans than moved by the comments of mikster.

[Who Knows]

I can't believe someone so ignorant could have made it to Senior Member?

WTF?

[Member #2001]

totally agree on you on that one guy. Its for people like that, that makes me ashamed to be american or even hang around americans because of the attitude people like that have.