General Info

[My Kapitan]

SIM cards available from Jumbo booth in Burgerman centre. You will need your passport to register. I forget how much but about 250dir which includes 30dir credit. Get one its anonymous and cheap. Needs 100dir top up annually.

[Toni Tiikeri]

Hi,

Hi I am coming to Dubai tomorrow. I have understood that Hilton Jumeirah Beach is girl friendly with some traffic also at the place, but would still like to know are there any issues/problems with taxis when getting girls from Cyclone or York to hotel?

Toni

[Bizzie]

Gents,
Where can buy a SIM card for my phon when I arrive DXB? Do I have to go to the phone company's office?
Also, any info on phone rental?
Thanks.

[Cool Tiger]

11Bravo,

I read your "Punting Guide to DXB". I found it very useful and, looking back, I wish I had come across you/this website a long time ago. Whilst you have covered most of the points, I hope you will allow me to add a few further tips:

The first 2 tips mainly applies to the "foreign legion" that come to Dubai. This is because most of the locals tend to pay amounts which they/the girls are accustomed to and they are unlikely to ever get ripped off. For those of us who are in Dubai only for a few days, tip 1 tends to work well because you do not want your entire night ruined because she did not perform to your spec.

1 Always budget for giving a small tip. Having negotiated a rate for ST or LT, I have always made it clear to the girl that there will be a tip for them provided I have been given a good time. This rarely fails. Typical tips suggested are Dhs50~100 for ST and Dhs100~200 for LT. They also depend on the original rate agreed. For those that are in Dubai for only a short period and possibly only punting at night, therefore only seeing a WG perhaps 3~4 times throughout their stay, the last thing you would want is one of those nights turning into a disaster. See one of my FR, which will follow, if I am allowed to post my experience from 2001.

2 For visitors to Dubai whose hotel is not Girl Friendly or if they are in Dubai with a family then I suggest they carry a copy of their own passport with them. The original passport is usually lodged with the hotel where you are staying at so cannot be carried around with you. A copy of UK passport is usually sufficient to obtain a room with any other hotel (what the authorities may think of you booking two rooms for the same night in two different hotels is a different story, lol). We have picked up girls, most of whom carry their ID cards with them, and gone to some of these friendly hotels and booked a room for the night and paid cash. A copy of our passport is lodged with the reception, which we then pick up when we check out. The hotels that we have used so far include Dallas and Mina Plaza (?), both in Bur Dubai. Rates were approx Dhs150. Dallas is well recommended because it is just round the corner from the Imperial and the basic rooms do not have any Mini Bars. As we tend to travel mostly in Groups, the decision of which hotel we are going to stay at does not rest with us. Most of the time, we end up in decent hotels catering for families etc. that tend to have strict policies on brining a girl in. For this reason, it is best to budget for this and to go to these friendlier hotels if you pick up a girl who does not have a flat and with whom you wish to spend an LT.

3 In places like Cyclone where entrance fees and price of drinks take their toll, It is recommended to take mobile numbers down of girls you have previously seen and with whom you were pleased or take numbers down of girls whom you may not see that night but possibly in future. By not visiting these nightclubs again, over a few days, this can easily save you sufficient money for another punt.

[Faisal78]

Great work 11 Bravo !

This is what I expect from Senior Members.

FAISAL78

[11Bravo]

Dubai P4P FAQ se tags: russian, CIS, chinese, african, lebanese, indian, pakistani, girls, SW, WG, cyclone, tgit, york, hotels, apartments, anal, ramadan

Editor: Sporadic, from posts from Sporadic, JSF, myself, and others.

Yes, it's long, so read it. Will answer a LOT of questions.

For hotels / apartments, check the hotel thread under United Arab Emirates.

WHERE
For those coming to Dubai, just remember: CITY
Cyclone
Imperial (Suites)
TGIT (afternoons)
York

These will provide more contacts than you can ever use.

Ladies can also be sometimes be found in any 5 star hotel bar, or in any of the MPs. There are a few SW about. A nifty way to spot a working girl is the use of a drinking straw in the beer, nearly foolproof.

SUGGESTED Posting Guidelines
Don't post contact numbers on the open forum (without permission). Lot of lookie-lou's around who will use them to just harass the ladies (think 1-sided phone sex). (Just take a look at how many hits a photo in the photo gallery gets). Use the PM function after vetting the requestor.

Better if faces of ladies in the photo gallery are obscured. P4P is illegal here; why make it easy to identify her to LE (or to the ever present lookie-lou's). It is tolerated as long as it remains relatively low key and does not become an embarassment to the powers-that-be. Just remember: she's trying to make a living here; why make it more difficult for her by causing her any more problems than she already has. (For those who do want to post her face in the clear, why don't you also post yours [why should that be a problem] so we can tell what her standards are).

DUTY FREE BOOZE
Regarding the Dubai Duty free allowance on arrival, they allow non-Muslims to bring in up to 4 items of alcohol. That means 4 bottles of spirits, or 4 bottles of wine or 1+3, 2+2, or any combination thereof. For beer, you can bring in a maximum of 2 boxes (12 cans/box) plus max 2 bottles of wine or spirit.

This allowance has not changed as far as I know for the past 2-3 years or so. Of course it could change for the better or worse at any time, but in reality, it’s not likely to reduce, as DDF make tons of money, and wouldn’t want to reduce their profits.



PRICING

Short time (ST) 200-500 Dhs.

Long time (LT) 400-1500 Dhs.

These prices will depend upon venue, looks and time of day (night.)
There are many variables, but this seems to be the range most often encountered. As a guide, you can normally find really nice ladies for 700 LT and 300-400 ST.

ALWAYS negotiate price, duration and what is on the menu BEFORE you seal the deal. This lets things proceed in a much more relaxed manner, besides, no surprises! PAY after!

Know the fair price; don't pay a stupid price (but you won't as you read this forum).
A fair price is what it's worth to YOU
Be aware of the difference between start and fixed price.
Be prepared to lose if can't meet a fixed price.
You can walk away; there are others.

Even with the best advice, chances are, you will be overwhelmed the 1st time and pay too much. Just let it be a one-time experience. Don't sweat it; makes a good story later.

Some girls will play the "unstated currency" game; some visitors will get confused. She's not asking "how long you stay dubai?" because she cares about your travel plans; she wants to know how savvy you are. Saying you are a visitor can jack up the initial quote by a couple hundred dirhams (which confirms my right to indignation when, after telling one I live here, I still get an outrageously high quote). Let's be clear; this IS the UAE; currency here is the durham, NOT the USD. Yes, girls will take USD's, but you need to be clear up front what currency the quoted price is in.

2 variations on the game:
2 girls quote 400. (that's a period; i.e., no currency statement). Guy thinks great, 400 dhs (110 USDs). Get back to his place, now it's pay first, and it's 400 USD's (1460 dhs). Yes, will negotiate down, but now they have the leverage. (Will you really kick them out, go back to the bar?)

Another: girl quotes 500, meaning 500 dhs. Visitor thinks 500 USD's is high, but he'll settle for 400 USD's, as he's using "back home" as a price guide.

The first is a rip-off of the customer; the last is a girl letting the customer be stupid (she said she really had a good time).

So, when you start talking price, throw in dirhams or dollars, depending on what you're carrying. Some of the top line a-list will quote USD's, so listen close. No harm if it's 100, 150, maybe even 200 USD's (though that's over my limit) ; just as long as they are saying dollars. Some have told me that they will intentionally leave off the currency when they are talking 400 or 500, hoping someone will be stupid and misunderstand (yes, they will willingly negotiate down to 300 USD's ).

And my advice (request) is: don't do the same. Because when punters start getting clever, and saying 200, with no currency, she's thinking 200 USD, then, when it comes time to pay, out comes 200 dhs... Well, you can be assured, she will never accept pay after again. Just ruins it for the rest of us (and you, because word WILL get around) ; this is how some nationalities get tainted by the actions of a few.

Unless it is TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS, that first price you pay will become THE price for any subsequent encounters, so just keep that in mind.
There are any number of girls around. If you miss out with one, there ARE OTHERS. Like the saying goes, you don't lose her, just your place in the queue.

And the most IMPORTANT point :
If there is no rapport with a girl, if she is not actively seeking your company (and money) with some self-marketing, then why bother? Move on to someone you have a better chance with having a good time.

Always make sure you fully understand all the details, especially price, before leaving.

PAY AFTER if you can (and you should!) In talking to the girls, it quickly becomes clear it's 2 sides of the same coin: neither of us wants to get cheated. Pay after ONLY works when the girl can trust the punter to do so, fairly.

Point: You can achieve success at your own price point. As mentioned in a previous post: you set the tone; it's not so much control as not being played.

Point: It is a business, but you can have fun at it.

Point: Pay After. Mention this before leaving bar. Best to pay after; if money requested up front, be cautious. Point 14 is not cast in concrete; it's a guideline. But in my experience, I've had more bad experiences than good when I've broken it.

Point: Carry, or have, a variety of denominations of currency (suggest dirhams) to pay exact change. For example, if you get a price of 450, don't expect change from a 500; she's not a bank.

Point: To swing a deal your way, offer to cover incidentals (prime example: taxi fare).

Point: Even making a good offer, you can and will be turned down, based on any number of the lady's criteria. No big deal; there are others.

Point: Be very cautious of deals where you pay a 3rd party in the bar. For experienced players only (I don't consider myself qualified to do this).

DUBAI ADVICE

As you no doubt know, Dubai is very liberal, but you have to learn to live with the rules, unwritten though they may be.... But there's no telling how the rules may be interpreted at any time.
Just do your own thing and keep a low profile.
One thing I always do is make acquaintance, shake hands, get to know the bouncers and manager in the night clubs I regularly frequent. That way, if there's any trouble and you just happen to be stuck innocently in the middle of it, you have a better chance of avoiding any consequences.
Another thing, dress moderately and sensibly in shopping malls and at night clubs. Blend in with the crowd.

Be polite. Unless you are carrying a UAE passport, not just a residency or visitor's visa in your own passport, then you are a guest is this country. Act accordingly, as, while they might need your expertise, they do NOT need YOU.

Point: You turn too many down, then rightly or wrongly, you are viewed as a non-player; not worth the time.

Point: You don't need your whole group of friends to go with you when you talk to a girl. Likewise, standing 1 meter in front of her, leering, will not endear you to her. Be a bit more subtle when you check her out.

Point: Always a trade off of walking away from one bar for another (maybe we need a bar traffic report number you could call into, see what the action is: "Cyclone, moving freely; York, lot of congestion"). Before midnight is early, but the later you stay, the shorter that LT is.

DO NOT assume the girl will have a condom. Some do, some don't. Just last Friday, I was rather surprised when a very popular TGIT girl did not have any (I ALWAYS have my own). Girls won't carry in case they get stopped by LE; if they do carry, a number will put in their bra (of course, a problem if they're not wearing one ).

Condoms are readily available in any supermarket or pharmacy. And while you're there, pick up a few soft drinks; who wants to pay mini-bar prices ?

Get in the habit of asking for her number if the service was good. Unless it was a bad experience, I always do. Sometimes, you just don't feel like going out. And, if you call in the early evening, she saves the bar entrance fee.


1. Don't pay for the whole night up front.
2. In a hotel room that has a mini-bar that is not under lock and key, take out the expensive bottles of booze and put them in the safe.
3. Block the long distance calls on the phone.

Point: If possible, take them back to your place. No need to give up the home court advantage unless you must.

Point: Be polite (remember, word gets around), but don't get screened in by ladies you are not interested in. A polite "no thank you" should do. You don't want to get blocked in as, if you are with a lady, no other lady will cut in. You want to be approachable (for the chinese), or free to move if CIS are your targets.

Ramadan:
Bars, clubs still open. No bands/music. House lights up. Close at 2am, not 3. Still plenty of opportunities; street action limited.
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EXAMPLE

This is an old post of mine (11bravo) of a Cyclone experience which I'll repost as I feel it is still valid and appropriate here, to expand out on Sporadic's post.

• Point 1: Even with the best advice, chances are, you will be overwhelmed the 1st time and pay too much. Just let it be a one-time experience. Don't sweat it; makes a good story later.

Saw a number of nice ones floating around. Chinese early, other nationalities arriving later. Stood by the same russian girl from last week, again guys dog-packing her, or giving her the piece of meat stare.

• Point 2: You don't need your whole group of friends to go with you when you talk to a girl. Likewise, standing 1 meter in front of her, leering, will not endear you to her. Be a bit more subtle when you check her out.

Some chinese came over for a "job interview", but a number passing by. Had to check to make sure I was not wearing the invisibility cloak.

• Point 3: You will get known; turn down too many girls, too many times, you will be flagged as a non-player, whether correct or not.

Debating whether to slide over to York, but as I'm cheap, figured I'd get my money's worth and stick around. Around midnight, things picking up.

• Point 4: Always a trade off of walking away from one bar for another (maybe we need a bar traffic report number you could call into, see what the action is: "Cyclone, moving freely; York, lot of congestion" ). Before midnight is early, but the later you stay, the shorter that LT is.

Spied a chinese girl, Sunny, who'd I'd not seen in 6 months. She came over, some small talk, asked if she should hook me up with a friend (passed), then moved on. Average face, but VERY nice rack.

• Point 5: Sometimes, girl hooking you up with a friend works, sometimes not. My advice, exercise caution, as most times, it's someone who speaks little english, with little experience.

Had several cute potentials, but never could make eye contact, and too lazy to give up my bar seat to go chase. Did not see either of my 2 regulars, so decided to go track down Sunny.

She was over in "Chinese corner", talking to another chinese. Asked her what she was going to do; she replied "Make business", and went back to talking to the other chinese girl. OK, didn't think she had turned into a madam, so asked in another way, "How about making business with me?" Ah, that got a different response. Now all of her attention was directed at me. I've pulled her before; I knew what services were on offer; didn't meet my specs 100%, but was willing to overlook due to her nice rack. However, it then got to price; she wanted 600 whereas I'd paid 500 before (which is my ceiling). She wouldn't move down; I wouldn't move up. She explained "good night for business". Fair enough; true market economy. With me, she's a bit of the pro, but that's all right, we just don't click as GFE. It was not worth it, to me, at that rate.

• Point 6: All of us set our own price; it is a free market.

As we were negotiating (or actually, not negotiating), over her shoulder I'd spied another tall girl with a nice rack, couldn't place the nationality. After Sunny left, the tall girl was pulled over by a chinese I'd turned down earlier. Tall girl was chinese/russian (CR). Very nice looking; cut to the chase, and asked price for LT. What I heard was 400. Before I jumped at something too good to be true, wanted to clarify; maybe she was quoting ST tourist price.

• Point 7: Always make sure you fully understand all the details, especially price, before leaving.

I was right to clarify; it was 700 for her, AND she wanted me to take the other girl, "no problem, she new, little english, no money, can give small money, only 400". 1100 total? Nope; pass on that. It was not going to be a 3some, but more cutting the other girl in on a "naive player" deal.

Declined; so she switched to "give her what you want"; declined, so it was "take me, only 700". ONLY 700? She gave me the "I'm new, need money, have to pay entrance, apartment, etc., etc". Don't mean to sound hard-hearted, but I understand they're here as they need money, not for the DSF; that's a given. So any explanation superfluous. I declined, offered 500; there was no counter offer and she walked away.

• Point 8: Sometimes you let them walk.

It's a subtle difference for me; Sunny's explation was OK (market) ; CR's was not (I don't want to hear a justification of your prices).

Cruised around a bit more. Stopped next to a cute Krygistani doing a little dance to attract attention. Enjoyed the show for awhile (both her and the leering buffoons). Out of curiosity, asked for a price quote; "900, 800, 700, 600", as one statement. I didn't hear the magic 500 price point; she was cute enough she'd try for a customer at the higher end; didn't feel like seriously negotiating for services/price, or sticking around as the evening ran out. Also, her LITTLE english was not enticing.

Walking back to Chinese corner, trying to move in on a cute chinese I'd been seeing the whole evening. Then spotted one of my regulars, Sue. However, when I tapped her on the shoulder to say hi, she bolted away. That was unexpected. After a discreet time, walked over to find out WTF THAT was about; she quickly replied would talk to me later; hopefully, she was lining up a customer and, like us, didn't want to be blocked from the real target.

Went back to move in on previous girl. Saw Sue and CR talking; now CR was back, saying she and Sue were good friends; Sue had said I was an allright guy.

• Point 9: like I said above, you will get a reputation that will be shared, for good or bad.

However, she was not mentioning a drop in price. Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't. I'm the first to admit, I will cut off my nose to spite my own face; I now wasn't interested in trying to do a deal with her. Once I give a definitive No-Thank-You, that's it. There are just too many other girls around, and I always figure, if you really beat the price down, what kind of service will you get. I just prefer to start fresh. I wandered off. [Note: this was a mistake; lost an opportunity; in hindsight, should have re-opened negotiations, and might even have paid 700 for the experience rather than wondering what she would have been like].

Over the next 30 minutes, kept bumping into Sunny (she hadn't met her price point yet) ; CR and Sue had disappeared.

• Point 10: Be prepared to accept the consequences of your decisions. You are not the ONLY player in town.

I hate to admit, I was leaning towards Sunny; the 600 stuck in my throat, but her rack is NICE. But I just didn't want to contribute to price inflation. [One question, gentlemen: who is responsible for this inflation? Have seen it several places: Cyclone girls who accepted 500 now want 600; York girls who accepted 400 now want 500) ].

Back in Chinese corner; spotted a little pixie who'd I seen earlier a number of times walking around; never could make eye contact. Now, stopped to talk. Once I initiated the conversation, got the good vibes.

• Point 11: Not every chinese will come over and initiate a conversation; sometimes you will have to make the 1st move.

Asked about services; favorable response. We did a bit of the dance about "how much you give / how much you want". She quoted 600; I offered 500 (for me, that's reasonable Cyclone price for LT). There was a bit of a pause, then she said OK.

• Point 12: You can achieve success at your own price point. As I mentioned in a previous post: you set the tone; it's not so much control as not being played.

• Point 13: It is a business, but you can have fun at it.

• Point 14: Pay After. Mention this before leaving bar. Best to pay after; if money requested up front, be cautious. Point 14 is not cast in concrete; it's a guideline. But in my experience, I've had more bad experiences than good when I've broken it.

• Point 15: If possible, take them back to your place. No need to give up the home court advantage unless you must.

• Point 16: Carry, or have, a variety of denominations of currency (suggest dirhams) to pay exact change. For example, if you get a price of 450, don't expect change from a 500; she's not a bank.

• Point 17: To swing a deal your way, offer to cover incidentals (prime example: taxi fare).

• Point 18: Even making a good offer, you can and will be turned down, based on any number of the lady's criteria. No big deal; there are others.

• Point 19: Be very cautious of deals where you pay a 3rd party in the bar. For experienced players only (I don't consider myself qualified to do this).

• Point 20: Be polite (remember, word gets around), but don't get screened in by ladies you are not interested in. A polite "no thank you" should do. You don't want to get blocked in as, if you are with a lady, no other lady will cut in. You want to be approachable (for the chinese), or free to move if CIS are your targets.

[Alan01]

In the airports they have become quite strict with people coming from china carrying DVD's as the streets are now filled with guys selling porn! Its well organized, and the chinese have divided dubai into sectors, where each area has its own 'sales' guy looking after the area, so they dont compete with each other, if they see an outsider trying to start up, thats when police get tip offs, and the story follows in the paper not too long afterwards.

[Worf1972]

In addition the guy was retruning from Bangok , known for
pirated stuff coming in from Asia.

[Worf1972]

WOW how strange, I've brought sexual gifts, Cds, etc. to Dubai and never was stopped. You have to be very discreet and place them separately in your luggage.

One shouldn't pack all your gifts ( Porn ) together in one certain spot of your luggage. That is TOO obvious and would draw attention when your items are X-rayed.

[11Bravo]

From Piper: From today's Gulf News, 23 Aug 2004, page 5:

Dubai : A drunk man who reportedly paid Dh700 for female companionship only to be cheated of the woman's company and the money, ended up with a fine when he tried to report the incident to the police.

The man and the woman were fined Dh1,000 each for drinking alcohol. The woman, A.S., 18, an Uzbek, was sentenced to a month's imprisonment for overstaying her visa and for impersonation.

The Dubai Court of First Instance found the Uzbek guilty of impersonating, overstaying her visa and drinking alcohol.

She was acquitted of giving false information to the authorities when she was questioned.

The man, Y.H., 46, a UAE national, was convicted of drinking alcohol. The general prosecution charged the couple with drinking alcohol, while the visitor was also charged with overstaying and impersonating I.R., 35, another Uzbek visitor.

On May 17, according to police, the national stopped a police patrol as he was leaving a nightclub on Al Nahda Street. He told the patrol he had met the 18-year-old inside the club. He said he had paid her Dh700 after she agreed to spend time with him.

After a fight, she refused to spend time with him or return his money. The woman denied the accusations. They were both taken to the police station on suspicion of drinking alcohol. Blood tests confirmed the suspicion.

11bravo's comments:
Just goes to show

• Risks of paying in the bar
• Once paid, you cannot get your money back.
• Wisdom (or lack thereof) of being discreet

I thought it was arrogant of the idiot to expect to get his money back. And to go to the police? Obviously not the best and the brightest...

[11Bravo]

Will post here so it maintains it's visibility for awhile.

Article from today's Gulf News, 23 Aug, page 3:

ON VISIT: Tourist fined for carrying obscene CDs
Dubai
A tourist who brought 20 pornographic CDs as gifts for his friends has been fined Dh3,000.

The Dubai Court of First Instance heard that the 31-year-old Briton, S.J., had intended to stay for only one night in Dubai.

He was stopped by customs officers at Dubai International Airport after a flight from Bangkok on July 5, when a collection of CDs was spotted in his luggage.

When he opened his luggage, the CDs were found to be pornographic. The 31-year-old told customs officers he had bought the CDs as gifts for his friends. He allegedly intended to use the CDs for himself rather than distribute them in UAE.

Notice he was stopped at the airport; for those of you who don't know, every bag is x-rayed on arrival. So be careful what you have in your luggage, even if you're just passing through.

[HectorG]

11Bravo,

Thanks for the warning. I haven't seen that problem. However, as you can see by my screen name, I've suddenly become "Big Bob II" after I was upgraded. Not sure if that was a computer glitch or what. But just in case you're wondering, I'm the-mongerer-formerly-known-as-Big-Bob.

[11Bravo]

I posted this in the Table of Contents > Site Administration > Internet Security
thread. But will also post it here. Maybe common sense, but, in case you didn't know:

Just a note about using a non-identifiable e-mail address when registering for wsg. SOMETIMES, not always, but 1 time out of 30-40, when you click on http://www.wsgforum.com/ You will be served up with ANOTHER member's header page (the very top part) as in:
Welcome back 11Bravo. You are currently a Senior Member
If you are a Regular Member, then you don't need to apply for an upgrade to Regular Member. Thanks
Your current membership email address is: xxxxxxxxx
Is your email address active? Have you checked your email recently for WSG Forum messages?

Maybe it has something to do with having the options set to yes for:
Automatically login when you return to the site? (uses cookies)
Browse board with cookies?

As an example, I was just served up with: Member2326's info. I know his e-mail address used to register for the forum, and I know he has 0 messages.

So, use an e-mail address that you don't mind others seeing.

[Rayman]

Does anyone (in the know) understand whether the authorities here monitor internet traffic. I say this because I would like to uplaod some pic but am afraid to use the computer at work, but too lazy to drive to a cafe....sad eh. My company does not monitor internet usage.

[Atilo Lailo]

LukeSkyWanker

As far as Ii heard and as far as I remember that AbuDhabi Grand is guest friendly. Don't forget to check the Illusions bar in the hotel. They tend to have some pretty and lovely CIS

Adios