Burma vs. Laos

[Cristal]

1. I directly check with panorama, central & thamada hotel thru their own website, but there is no reply until now, over 36 hours. Do they reply their email ?

2. I'm using @live.com or yahoo email, i hope there is no problem to receive the myanmar email.Anyone been success book thru their website, and is it reliable ?

Try calling them - they usually block a room on request

Panorama: +951-253 077(10-Lines)

Enjoy your trip!

BTW when do you plan to be in Yangon?

[Golfinho]

Maybe that is why I really did not find the girls at Emperor special at all, maybe because I went too late. However, the first time I was there I was early (around 7pm I think) and the place was almost empty. Girls were arriving from outside but the ones I saw were not of high guality either. I did not enter at that time because they told me to come back later, around 9 or 9h30, which I did, only to find the place as you describe (strange they would tell me that if the peak is around 8 instead). So there would be only a small window of time (about an hour) when you find the nicest ones? So all the girls and customers rush in around 7-8 then go home? I would find that a bit surprising.

hen you go into the building, there are 2 elevators: one to the Emperor Club, and the other to another club on a different floor. If it's later in the evening, try the other club. Better, less hardcore quality. You may find the girl who will hang out with you the next day. Even so: Myanmar ain't Thailand. If you're looking for alternative to Bangkok, I found Viet Nam and Laos to be much better for girls. Hanoi especially. Myanmar is uncomfortable and just doesn't have the right mix and infrastructure for anything other than a brief, go check it out visit after you've been everywhere else.

[Golfinho]

http://www.asiaplazahotel.com/rates-english.html
The hotel show same rate for single and double
Deluxe Room Single US$ 35 Double US$ 35

1. I directly check with panorama, central & thamada hotel thru their own website, but there is no reply until now, over 36 hours. Do they reply their email ?

2. I'm using @live.com or yahoo email, i hope there is no problem to receive the myanmar email.Anyone been success book thru their website, and is it reliable ?

3. Is there any good website special focus on booking for myanmar hotel ?

4. I'm trying to contact the panda hotel (little far) & city star hotel too

This is my virgin trip.

If you need the phone for Asia Plaza, send me a PM. IT's a big hotel, doubt it will be full if you just show up without a reservation. Then, after you're in Yangon, you can go to a travel agent and book additional nights at a cheaper rate for the A.Plaza, Panorama or wherever. For flights: use Myanmar Air. With them you can change your return for NO fee. this is important because there is a good chance (for whatever reason) you will want to leave Myanmar early. their office is in the big building directly across the street from Trader's Hotel.

About the girls in the Emperor. A lot of them work in massage places during the day. If you find one who speaks no English, but she has a friend who does and is translating for you, chances are there's a mamasan involved who's getting a cut.

[Denom]

No point in trolling around too much in Yangon, in my opinion. Go to Emperor early (7-8pm) and there will be a great selection of cute, willing young girls who will go for k30000/35000 all night. A lot of them have no English but there are always 'friends' who will help with the deal. Leave it later (even 9pm) and the number and quality is already down. After 10, don't bother. Later, best place is the Music Club at the Parkroyal. Girls ask for more money ($40-50 short time) but some are good looking. Everywhere else I tried (JJ, Asia Plaza, Palace, Pioneer) a waste of time in my opinion.The better girls seem reserved for Burmese guys.

Maybe that is why I really did not find the girls at Emperor special at all, maybe because I went too late. However, the first time I was there I was early (around 7pm I think) and the place was almost empty. Girls were arriving from outside but the ones I saw were not of high guality either. I did not enter at that time because they told me to come back later, around 9 or 9h30, which I did, only to find the place as you describe (strange they would tell me that if the peak is around 8 instead). So there would be only a small window of time (about an hour) when you find the nicest ones? So all the girls and customers rush in around 7-8 then go home? I would find that a bit surprising.

[Denom]

1. i directly check with panorama, central & thamada hotel thru their own website, but there is no reply until now, over 36 hours. do they reply their email ?

2. i'm using @live.com or yahoo email, i hope there is no problem to receive the myanmar email.anyone been success book thru their website, and is it reliable ?

considering the hopeless state of emails in myanmar, i would not be surprised is they don't even bother to check their mail. i pesonnally would not with such a speed (not counting electricty cut every hour or so).

[Denom]

For the benefit of other readers on this forum, would you kindly advise what sort of budget a 13-day trip came to (apart form the flights to and from Myanmar).

Panorama was $25 the first time around, for a single, then $30 the second time around for a double. Mandalay was $50 then $30 when I changed hotel. $75 on Mount Popa and $30 in Bagan, all for double. I think you can find cheaper hotels everywhere, I saw some of them at $15.

Taxis in Yangoon usually ask $1-3 depending on distance. Short time hotels were typically $15, and the girls $20-30 all night if from touts, $30-40 from club. Some stunner fashion show models can go past $100, though. Food I don't remember but it wasn't very expensive (nor very good either but luckily there's lot of Chinese food). Entrances to clubs are typically $3-5.

So I would recon that with a budget of $100 a day you should be relatively well off, not counting flights. I did spend more than $3,000 in total but I am a big spender, and that would include internal flights, car rent, and generous tips to girls and touts when I was happy.

Don't forget that there is no ATM, and credit cards are not accepted (except maybe in the Strand hotel) - so if you run out of cash, I don't know how you survive and fly back. Better take a large amount of cash, plus the bills need to be perfect or they won't accept them. Local money OTOH can be as crappy as it gets and the small bills usually are - barelly recognizable at all below the dirt. They are usuless too, only used for bottled water, beggars and road taxes. The biggest bill is 1,000 ($1) so if you pay a girl the equivalent of $40, it's already a huge pile and almost looks like a million.

[Denom]

- Thai and Khmer girls, even Javanese, are better looking

That would be a matter of individual taste but looking back at it I think I like the Burmese girls better. I find their face much smoother and more beautiful (a bit like Indian girls), while many of them are relatively petite in stature (Chinese blood).

Maybe the novelty part plays a role too. It is still an exotic destination, unlike Thailand and Cambodia. I first stayed 8 days in Myanmar then went to rest in my house in the Philippines before resuming my trip, and I started with Phnom Penh, as I have not been there for quite a while. After two days I quickly jumped on a plane back to Myanmar, where I had a great time, unlike in Cambodia. PP has become incredibly boring nowadays. it's nothing like what it was. Myanmar, although more conservative, still has a bit of what it takes for a happy mongering holiday if you know where to go. For how long, that is what I don't know, and what I am afraid of. So better enjoy it while it lasts - though it's true it's for people who like to try other boxes, because if you just want girls, they would indeed be more readily available in other countries.

[Denom]

Wow Dingdong bell and meeone - thanks a lot

Sorry I got stuck in day 3 Just can't find the time to continue at the moment. Hopefully that will change some day.

As for fleshy guide, I am afraid that would be very difficult. The moment a foreigner walks with a local gal in the street they both get the look, and most of the girls will not want that - plus they can get in trouble with the police. It may still be possible, though, I don't know. I just haven't seen many foreigners around, and of course much less with local girls. Most of the girls don't speak English, and those who do (the educated ones like those at the Panorama reception) are the "good girls" who will not want to be seen as "bad girls". It's just my feeling, but can't say with 100% certainty that this is how it goes. It certainly is not Thailand or the Philippines where you can walk hand in hand with local beauties!

On my last day in Rangoon I did get a girl who was not shy to stay with me or walk in the street with me, but by that time I also had a local guide, so I made them both walk together in front of me as if they were not with me because I was not at ease by the way people were looking at both of us.

[Malibu21]

For some reason, the Panorama fills up faster than the others. Judging by appearance of clientele, it might have to do with tour bookings. If you are a lower budget sex tourist, Asia Plaza is the place for you. Splurge for the extra five bucks and book a double: you get a bigger, better room, and no joiner fee. Couldn't tell you if there's a joiner fee if you only book a single.

http://www.asiaplazahotel.com/rates-english.html
The hotel show same rate for single and double
Deluxe Room Single US$ 35 Double US$ 35

1. I directly check with panorama, central & thamada hotel thru their own website, but there is no reply until now, over 36 hours. Do they reply their email ?

2. I'm using @live.com or yahoo email, i hope there is no problem to receive the myanmar email.Anyone been success book thru their website, and is it reliable ?

3. Is there any good website special focus on booking for myanmar hotel ?

4. I'm trying to contact the panda hotel (little far) & city star hotel too

This is my virgin trip.

[Yiddo]

No point in trolling around too much in Yangon, in my opinion. Go to Emperor early (7-8pm) and there will be a great selection of cute, willing young girls who will go for k30000/35000 all night. A lot of them have no English but there are always 'friends' who will help with the deal. Leave it later (even 9pm) and the number and quality is already down. After 10, don't bother. Later, best place is the Music Club at the Parkroyal. Girls ask for more money ($40-50 short time) but some are good looking. Everywhere else I tried (JJ, Asia Plaza, Palace, Pioneer) a waste of time in my opinion.The better girls seem reserved for Burmese guys.

[Hermes Pan]

Haven't been since 2006 (or was it 2008?)

PROS

- girls only want all night

- no condom, no problem

- $16 all-night (has gone up)

- full service

- no shyness with blowjobs

- exotic: India plus Thailand

- enjoy feeling like I'm telling the US of A and international community to go fuck themselves by punting in a pariah nation [the conservative in me]

CONS

- Gotta stay in expensive hotels

- significant % of expenditures (hotels) going to Chinese/Burmese military/industrial complex [the liberal in me]

- double pricing for foreigners

- limited stay (30 days plus overstay charges)

- Thai and Khmer girls, even Javanese, are better looking

- not a large number of the best-looking gals

- food could better

- when you factor in all the costs no cheaper than Phnom Penh

- I look for a sex paradise I can rent an apartment and get a work permit. Impossible in Burma?

Conclusion: Svay Pak in Cambodia 1996 or Baby a Go Go in Pattaya 1989 were better. But can any place match them these days?

[Golfinho]

Dear Denon,

Congratulations on a well-referenced report. It reminds me of the academic variety one comes across with validation in almost every paragraph. The opinions you have expressed are also very valuable to those of us who are in the planning stages.

Stone and flesh monuments make for a very interesting combination. May I ask if you think it is at all possible to look for a 'fleshy' guide who could take me around the 'stone' ones and enjoy herself at the same time? Maybe compensation for the outdoors and well as indoors 'guiding' cold be a factor that could make someone reconsider her initial hesitation. I would like your views on this topic because I gather that country is still very conservative and people may not want to be 'seen' doing so many things they would like to.

When you mentioned that the English-speaking girls at Reception were of a good quality, I thought they may want to take a couple of days off and free-lance as guides. Naturally they would only be able to associate with guests stying at hotels different from the ones they work at.

For the benefit of other readers on this forum, would you kindly advise what sort of budget a 13-day trip came to (apart form the flights to and from Myanmar).

Cheers!

D.D. Bell

(Pussy's not yet in the well - Meeeeooooow!!!!!!!!)

There's nothing in Myanmar that you won't find in Thailand -- more readily, comfortably, and more hassle-free. the country's only for guys who want to check every box. Make sure you you buy a flight where you can change the date because you may very well want to return early. having said this, don't mean to put anyone off, as Yangoon isn't without its charms. It is IMHO just worth going to if you want to check the box. Girls are there, but girls are everywhere.

[Dingdong Bell]

Dear Denon,

Congratulations on a well-referenced report. It reminds me of the academic variety one comes across with validation in almost every paragraph. The opinions you have expressed are also very valuable to those of us who are in the planning stages.

Stone and flesh monuments make for a very interesting combination. May I ask if you think it is at all possible to look for a 'fleshy' guide who could take me around the 'stone' ones and enjoy herself at the same time? Maybe compensation for the outdoors and well as indoors 'guiding' cold be a factor that could make someone reconsider her initial hesitation. I would like your views on this topic because I gather that country is still very conservative and people may not want to be 'seen' doing so many things they would like to.

When you mentioned that the English-speaking girls at Reception were of a good quality, I thought they may want to take a couple of days off and free-lance as guides. Naturally they would only be able to associate with guests stying at hotels different from the ones they work at.

For the benefit of other readers on this forum, would you kindly advise what sort of budget a 13-day trip came to (apart form the flights to and from Myanmar).

Cheers!

D.D. Bell

(Pussy's not yet in the well - Meeeeooooow!!!!!!!!)

[Golfinho]

I'm going to rangoon end of next month, check the panorama hotel with directrooms, show it is full.

Do the hotel like Central, Asia Plaza & Thamada charge joiner fee even if i book a double occupancy room?

Which hotel is guest friendly other than above?

For some reason, the Panorama fills up faster than the others. Judging by appearance of clientele, it might have to do with tour bookings. If you are a lower budget sex tourist, Asia Plaza is the place for you. Splurge for the extra five bucks and book a double: you get a bigger, better room, and no joiner fee. Couldn't tell you if there's a joiner fee if you only book a single. Hotel staff speaks English: Call them. Note: book room through local travel agent in Yangoon and rate will be a little cheaper. Try the Mayflower agency a few doors down from the Panorama. There is also a restaurant serving Excellent Italian pasta on that block.

[Malibu21]

I'm going to rangoon end of next month, check the panorama hotel with directrooms, show it is full.

Do the hotel like Central, Asia Plaza & Thamada charge joiner fee even if i book a double occupancy room?

Which hotel is guest friendly other than above?