Phnom Penh

[Mr Enternational]

Well, not too sure if anyone is paying attention, but here's part II of my earlier post about my so-so mongering experiences in Phnom Penh:

Hell yes I am paying attention and I am taking good notes for my trip in March. I really appreciate how you are laying everything out. You are making it very easy for me. The park sounds like my kind of place. Not sure how far it really is because I have never been there, but it seems like going from 106 ST to 51 ST for a room is a long ass way.

[Member #4698]

I am sorry to hear about your So-So Mongering Experiences so far in Phnom, Captain. It was a bold move to look for FL's in the park. I have never found anybody worthy in these locations, but you can't knock a guy for trying. I think you need to change your game plan just a little. I have three suggestions: the first is go back to Walkabout and pay the BJ girl $20 (or $25 if she won't come down) for the full service plan. You say you liked her and she was attractive, so I think you will have a better time the 2nd time around. Tell her you really like her and want to make love to her three times. Also why use the ST Hotels? I suggest you take her back to your hotel, treat her good, have some booze in the room and she should stay for multiple shots. Give her a tip if she shows you a good time. My second suggestion is head over to 104st and check out a few bars over there. Find the most attractive girl or girls you can find, buy her a beer, and if she passes the interview; take her back to your hotel again, for multiple shots. Tell the girl what you want before you take her out of the bar. My experience with Phnom Penh bar girls is you get what you ask for except anal. Khmer girls are pretty nice IMHO. Just be friendly, treat them right and you will get a lot back in return. My third suggestion if all else fails, is go to Martini's around 11 – midnight. Good luck! I want to hear how things work out for you. And post some pictures. Just kidding, Wendella. Do what you want on that score, Captain, whatever you are confortable with.

[CaptainStrong]

Well, not too sure if anyone is paying attention, but here's part II of my earlier post about my so-so mongering experiences in Phnom Penh:

The second time around, I went for a streetwalker in the park betweek 106th and 108th street. I had read in some rather old posts about the streetwalkers there, so I figured I'd give one of them a try. When I arrived to the park around 9 PM, I saw a pack of four women wandering around aimlessly. They said Hello, to me as I walked by, and they were dressed like hookers, so I immediately came to the conclusion that they were freelancers.

Only one of them spoke English, and I guess maybe she is a mama-san slash freelancer herself. She wasn't really attractive at all, but one of her friends was. Her friend looked quite young, like maybe 21-years-old. Unfortunately, her friend didn't speak one word of English. The mama-san told me I could have her for ST for $10, so I agreed. She told me I could ride on the back of the girl's motorcycle, and she would drive her and I to a short-term hotel just across the street. Normally, I wouldn't dare get on the back of a stranger's motorcycle, especially in a third world country, but the mama-san was super nice, and she didn't seem as if she was trying to set me up to be mugged or something.

I get on the back of the girl's motorcycle, and she drives us to a place across the street, but it's closed. We try like three other places, but they are all fully-booked. We eventually make our way near 51st Street, and we finally find a place with a room available. The hotel owner tells me it'll be $5 for 1 hour, but I tell him I will only pay $3, and he immediately agrees. So off we go to our seedy, short-stay room.

Once we get to the room, both me and the girl undress, she puts a condom on my dick after some slight hand-stroking, and then she lays on the bed in the missionary position. I start banging the girl for like 3 minutes, and she looks very uncomfortable the whole time. She is not saying anything or doing anything, but I can just tell by looking at her face that she is in pain. I absolutely hate when I get into this situation because there's not a thing I can do to make my dick smaller.

I then signal to her to flip over so we can do doggy, but she shakes her head no. I signal to her one more time to flip over, but again she shakes her head no. Missionary is my least favorite position, so I knew the remainder of my time with her wasn't going to be very exciting. No passion at all. A total starfish.

Since there is nothing else we can do, I just fuck her for like 3 minutes more until I cum into the condom I'm wearing. We then both get up and start getting dressed. Three minutes later I give her a ten dollar bill, and we both go our separate ways. Definitely not a very good experience, but I'm not surprised considering the price I paid. More often than not, you get what you pay for, regardless of the country or city you're mongering in.

The girl was probably a 7 out of 10 look-wise, because she was young and in pretty good shape. She looked slightly pudgy, but in a good way. Her breasts were probably a small B cup. As for the sex, I would rate that as a 2 out of 10. I am only giving her a couple of points because she had a decent pussy that looked and felt nice and was kept pretty clean. The girl had a decent attitude, but we couldn't communicate any because of the language barrier. Regardless, I wouldn't have any interest in banging her again because the sex completely sucked, and I was only allowed one position, which just happens to be my least favorite.

If any of you reading this decide to go mongering in that park, I recommend you pick a slightly older chick. I imagine the sex would be notably better that way.

[Wendella]

What a horrible waste of bandwidth.

Point taken. This thread is supposed to be about Phnom Penh action. Since this discussion about posting photos is getting a bit out of control, maybe better if we have another thread for it. Especially since it seems to be a really divisive issue. Nobody seems to have a middle ground position on it.

I'll take my next post about it (directed at Rjsss212) to another thread:

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...ting-pictures-

(there-s-no-photos-here)

Westcoast and Natty Bumpo, hope you guys also check it out. If you want. I'm running out of things to say about it, as I'm sure people can tell.

This dirtybenny thing takes it in a whole other direction I wasn't expecting though.

[GreenBud]

What would you learn from that? Sorry I don't remember what he posted about, and too busy to spend time researching the archives. What's the gist?

1) He claims that he was arrested for taking R-rated pics / videos, and he had to pay a huge bribe to get out.

2) I heard of a story from my Paris hotel transport driver that a foreignor was arrested for making pornos in his room; he said his windows was open, and a neighbor called the police.

3) He claims that it was him, and he said that he had his windows closed. He said that he thought it was Paris hotel transport drivers that turned him in. He said that he thought it wasn't his girls from Le Cryee because he "trusted" them.

Comment: Whatever the story is, all fears and potential problems can be eliminated if you immediately transfer your pics / videos to your laptop and encrypt it with good software.

[Wendella]

Before I took any compromising pictures od any one I would go back several years and read dirtybennies posts in the Phnom Penh tread.

What would you learn from that? Sorry I don't remember what he posted about, and too busy to spend time researching the archives. What's the gist?

[Rjsss212]

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240473]

Dude, that huge post of yours is making my head hurt. I want to reply, honestly. But man that's a tough one to figure out how to reply to. I'm reading it thinking, wait a second I was the one who said that. Hang on, I didn't say that. Oh that's him again. Is there any way to fix that?

Yea, that was a nightmare! I'll never do that again (knowingly). I didn't mean to appear shouting if it did I was just nauseas from reading my own post!

I don't care about lawyers except that they created this mess in the US. Nobody is responsible for their actions. Its always someone else's fault no matter how stupid the person was so the answer is to sue, sue, sue under the guise of stopping such things or teaching a lesson. Just a big money grab.

That's one of the refreshing things about traveling to lesser developed countries. People take more responsibility for their actions and are generally less cavalier and don't expect the police or courts or public media to protect them. Ask any Thai person what they think of the police and they will tell you that the police are the criminals (mafia) and they are very reluctant to engage them (unless that person has money) so instead their actions in life are more careful because they have to be. A little like people carrying concealed weapons in Texas – think twice before you flip someone the finger at a red light though that's really a little too extreme an example. One last digression – in the Dominican Republic, for 5000 pesos ($130) you could have somebody roughed up (or worse). Makes everyone more responsible for their actions.

So it seems that your 2 main points are: What if our pics were posted on the net and girls objecting to their pics being posted.

Well you don't sound that young and neither am I so it wasn't that long ago that we didn't have to worry about this stuff because only newspapers and TV could distribute pics and unless you were famous or did something incredibly stupid you would never make either. Now however it is totally different. How many stories do we have to read about some young teacher posting a pic of herself on her Facebook page dancing on a bar in a miniskirt with beads around her neck balancing a shotglass on her head getting fired the next week for inappropriate behavior?

If I allow a pic of myself, no matter what the situation, then I deserve whatever is coming – period! Unless the taker is trusted then don't do it. Simple.

Now if tricked, deceived or worse then its different and I agree with you. But that's the same with anything and that's what police and courts are for (or street justice if available).

These girls are very savvy. They have learned how to navigate the complex and dangerous world of pay for sex. They're money savvy, they know how to please you not because they want to most of the time but because it will get them their money. They often turn down mongers or quote high prices because maybe he's a cheapo but many times because his hygiene is bad and it would be unpleasant or worse they may catch something or worse they may feel its unsafe. They're safety savvy. Just have some of these girls start telling you about their worst experiences and it will go on for hours. Talk about a mood killer! They are very savvy. They're savvy about drugs, cellphones, touts, police, etc. So they should be savvy about pics as well.

OK, worst case – the next monger after me shows a girl my posted pic of her on ISG. She's horrified. Goes home, thinks about it and quits the business. More likely though, after getting back on stage that night in nothing but a g-string and thinking about it while dancing (or swaying rather) she will remind herself not to do that again and be more responsible with her actions – now she's savvy about something else and won't do that again (much like me and my silly post with mis-alligned quotes). Where is the real harm or damages?

No lost boyfriend, no job opportunity lost – nothing but hurt feelings. Sad but not at all tragic. And you still haven't given me and stories or examples of harm or damage for all YOUR concern anecdotally or otherwise.

I think like plane crashes – the percentages are very, very small overall but the damage is almost negligible if at all.

That's all I got. I like a good discussion once in a while so for those who don't or didn't like this one sorry to waste your time and the bandwidth.

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[Edgeman]

What a horrible waste of bandwidth. If people don't want to be embarressed by a photo then don't engage in the embarrassing activity. I enjoying viewing the full body nudity, face shots, and all the other variations that we see here on this website. We'll continue and it really doesn't matter if you agree or not or like it or not. This is a business and it's important to document the goods on offer. Imagine if this was tolerated on E-bay!

I forgot: what question is it you ask them? Come 6 or 7 times? Are we talking about number of times per year you came to Thailand, or with a girl per session? Either way I'm impressed.

Somebody who loves taking photos. I was thinking more of some hypothetical sex tourist, not you.

Noted.

Well I did say "To me". But what's obvious about it to me is that I'd be pretty furious if someone posted pics of me on the internet, so I instantly recognize that this would also be true for most people, so it would then naturally occur to me that doing it to someone else when I would never want it to happen to me is something that would probably not be "good".

Let's try to think of a plausible situation. You're in your hotel room with a girl and taking her pictures. She pulls out her phone and starts snapping naked shots of you. A few days later you discover they're already up on Youtube in a slide show. You're ok with that?

[Wendella]

i ask them all. just a few years ago i was able to come 6 maybe 7 times but alas no more. now 3 maybe 4 if i push it and i only take girls long time so that leaves a lot of time (too much actually) to talk.

i forgot: what question is it you ask them? come 6 or 7 times? are we talking about number of times per year you came to thailand, or with a girl per session? either way i'm impressed.

i'm hardly 'snap-happy' whatever that means.

somebody who loves taking photos. i was thinking more of some hypothetical sex tourist, not you.

but don't try to persuade me about it, go ask them if they think they have a right to not have their pic posted on the net. are you against letting them have any say in it? and if they say they're against it, is it still ok?

no, its not.

noted.

to me, this one seems blatantly obvious.

hmmm, personal opinion. nothing obvious about it.

well i did say "to me". but what's obvious about it to me is that i'd be pretty furious if someone posted pics of me on the internet, so i instantly recognize that this would also be true for most people, so it would then naturally occur to me that doing it to someone else when i would never want it to happen to me is something that would probably not be "good".

if some guy posted a picture of you naked in the act on the internet, you'd want to kill him.

too hypothetical. was i forced forced? then, yes, i'd be angry. did i pose? then no, i just made a bad decision. if i posed naked for someone how could i be pissed if they used them at their discretion? i've walked the length of soi cowbow at least 500 times in front of guys taking pics, video, missionary's preaching, news reporters, etc. doesn't bother me at all.

let's try to think of a plausible situation. you're in your hotel room with a girl and taking her pictures. she pulls out her phone and starts snapping naked shots of you. a few days later you discover they're already up on youtube in a slide show. you're ok with that?

but really. i'll be the first to admit, if i see an interesting post with a pic attached, i'll probably take a look.

you don't probably look – you open the photo thread like everyone else – hypocritical maybe?

maybe. to clarify, you're talking about the photo thread. i have seen them. i don't really go check them out these days, more interested in the talking threads than the pictures. what i do look at sometimes is photos attached to posts in a thread like this one. when i said "probably" i meant that if the post caught my attention, most times i would look at the photo, so "probably" means more than half the time. but back to hypocritical: the only reason i piped up about this is because some guy said there were no moral issues involved in this at all. i sometimes do things that are bad, sometimes do things that are good. i don't feel any need to claim that the bad things i do are actually not bad.

nope, i'm anything but a saint. i've done things that would make your toes curl. but i don't fuck people (in the figurative sense).

i hear you, and it seems to me like you make an effort to do right by the girls, be a gentleman as you say. which is cool. and you think the girls are aware of what's involved when their pics get taken. if that's true, and maybe it is. like if this is much talked about in the trade there and they're all brought up to speed about it by the sisterhood. you say somewhere that to ask for consent for the internet is a mood-killer, a leading question. which i can imagine if i was in that situation, i can see how it would be. how even if she was cool with it normally, how explicitly saying so would lead her to say no. but on the other hand, there's also the occasional clueless country girl who has no idea about all this, so if they have no idea about what they're really consenting to, and would be against it if they did know. well judging by what you've said elsewhere it sounds like you think that wouldn't be cool.

so posting pics with a consent form make me a bad person?

you meant "without" right? assuming thats what you meant, the answer is no. we're all human, and we all do some good things and some bad ones, me included. maybe this is the problem, that some guys here think if you do one bad thing it makes you a bad person. so then if you give a homeless guy a dollar, suddenly you're a "good person"? what if you do both? it'd take a lot more than your photos here of working girls to make you a bad person.

i'm guessing you come from a western country. well in your country they have deemed prostitution illegal and immoral. and, have determined that in fact humans can not make rational decisions when 'easy' money is involved and can not choose how to use their bodies and have a 'right' to be forced not to engage in this 'easy money' endeavor and these countries enforce it legally.

i don't' think it's just western countries where prostitution is stigmatized.

yet you discard this rational as an impingement of personal freedoms and have elected to engage in what you feel is more 'rational' application of human rights by engaging in prostitution simply because that is what you think is a personal 'right'.

no i wouldn't say that. i've engaged in it, but wasn't ever thinking it had much to do with my human rights.

yet by that same logic, when a girl willingly poses for pictures, is outrageously compensated (by local salary standards) and suffers no subsequent harm or damages you suddenly imbue her with your own imagined 'rights'.

well i know she's human. and i know humans have rights.

only in the western world where lawyers rule are people absolved from their bad decisions and in fact made to be martyrs as you have made her. if she were harmed in any way then she should simply choose differently next time – simple. are you a lawyer?

dude this is getting a little off topic. no, i'm not a lawyer. i don't' have the strong feelings about lawyers that you seem to have.

i'm going to skip the rest because it seemed to have so many capital letters that it seemed like you were shouting or really ticked off or something. maybe now that you know i'm not a lawyer we can take it down a notch. (also because i have to go get something to eat before they close up)

ok getting the quotes right on this was a nightmare. i can't do that again. any posts like that with screwed up quotes, i'm sorry, no reply. just too too time consuming

[Wendella]

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1240172]Dude, that huge post of yours is making my head hurt. I want to reply, honestly. But man that's a tough one to figure out how to reply to. I'm reading it thinking, wait a second I was the one who said that. Hang on, I didn't say that. Oh that's him again. Is there any way to fix that?

[Wendella]

while i, too, share the feeling that 'privacy' should be a legal right, there simply is none. several decades ago, a us supreme court justice mentioned the right to privacy in a ruling, and the public gobbled it up, thinking they all had that as a right. he would, years later, say he regretted mentioning it (as there is no legal basis for such).

someone down the page introduced the scenario of taking my picture on walking street. which i followed up on. but that's actually a bad comparison, because what we are talking about here really are shots taken inside a hotel room while nude and or in the act itself. you're right that i would have no legal right at all to delete that guy's pictures on walking street, and otherwise it comes down to what i personally feel is a violation. i have been a photographer taking candid street shots before, and you can't do that and not consider that one of your subjects might take offense and decide to do something. but this is beside the point of what we're really arguing about. a hotel room isn't walking street. walking street is public space. a hotel room isn't. the paparrazi aren't allowed to hide in your closet or take peeping tom shots into your bedroom window. and the news of the world just got closed down for invading people's privacy, so it's not as if privacy doesn't exist as a legal or moral concept.

as you have no idea what agreement i have with my girls, and you have no idea the agreement other guys have with the girls, what difference does it make to you what they post, unless you are being presumptuous (assuming)?

well i did say "if they don't consent" so if you got consent to post pics on the internet, which it sounds like you at least sometimes do, then none of what i said would apply to you (in those cases at least. i guess it would apply in the cases where you don't get consent. don't worry i have no way of keeping track).

no its not good if someone else posts my nude pics, because i didn't consent to it. however, all of my girls did consent to it

bear with me. let's imagine you woke up and your camera sim was missing. and later you discovered that embarrassing shots of yourself from the previous evening's activities were now up on a popular website. you would be ok with that? no hard feelings?

you said something about my backseat driving about photos. yeah i guess i do. i'm not too keen on them to be honest. i don't read the photo galleries, and almost none of the pics i see up here do anything for me in terms of excitement. other guys do dig it, different strokes different folks i guess.

what was the word you used. drivel? cmon dude. we're just yakking here.

[CaptainStrong]

During my 5-day stay in Phnom Penh, I had 2 different mongering experiences. One was with a girl I picked up in the Walkabout Hotel / Bar, and the other was with a streetwalker I picked up at the park between 106th and 108th Street (near the Night Market). I'll start with the girl I picked up from Walkabout, and I'll tell you all about the other girl at the park in a separate post.

It was around 1:00 AM on a late Friday night / early Saturday morning when I decided to stroll into the Walkabout. There was at least 10 chicks downstairs, some were sitting around doing nothing, while others were playing pool. There was maybe only 3 guys in the bar including myself. I played a couple of games of pool with one of the girls, and then I decided to sit down and have one mug of Angkor Draft. As I was drinking my beer, one of the girls sat down at my table with me. She was probably in her early 30s, and she was about a 7 out of 10 looks-wise.

She asked me where I am from and all of the other usual introductory questions. We eventually got to the point, and I told her that all I want is a blowjob. She tells me I can have ST for $30, but I emphasized to her that all I want is a blowjob. I told her I can give her $10 for the blowjob, and she agreed immediately.

We leave the bar, and she takes me to a short-stay hotel just right around the corner from the bar. I paid $3 to be able to use the room for 1 hour. Once we get to the room, she suggests that I take shower. I decided to just wash my privates since I don't expect to be there that long. After I am done, she also takes a quick shower. I am surprised to see how firm her naked body is. She also has full B-cup breasts that look quite nice.

Once she is done showering, we both lie naked on the bed together. She caresses my body for a minute or two, and then she gets to the sucking. I can see right away that she really doesn't know how to suck a dick. After about 2 minutes of not-so-great sucking, we get in the 69 position. I am going down on her as she goes down on me, and it seems like she enjoys it. After about 3 minutes of 69ing, I came by her hand. Unfortunately, I did not get to cum in her mouth, but rather onto my own stomach, which is not very appealing to me.

Regardless of her not knowing how to give head very well, she was still a very sweet girl, and she tried her best to make me feel comfortable. I imagine she would be much better to fuck, rather than to get a blowjob from. She didn't hassle me any whatsoever, and she was very pleasant to be around. I rate her looks as a 7, her performance a 3, and her enthusiasm / personality as an 8. In the end, I only paid $13 total ($3 for the room and $10 for the blowjob). I didn't have to pay any kind of bar fine, or anything else like that. I wouldn't say I regret the experience with her, but I would probably rather just fuck her if I met up with her again.

I'll let you all know about the other half of my mongering experiences in Phnom Penh in the next day or two.

[Butt Ugly]

Before I took any compromising pictures od any one I would go back several years and read dirtybennies posts in the Phnom Penh tread.

[Rjsss212]

It is all about free choice.

Thanks. I enjoy it and they seem to as well. I just got back from 3 ½ weeks in BKK over the holidays. I never count but I had 2 different girls every day and some days 3. I took pics of almost all but many asked that I not post them so I did not which is why you didn't see 50+/- different picture postings postings from me. Plus it's a little just time consuming as well.

I know these girls don't have computers because they go frantic when I give them my old ones. I like computers and buy a new laptop every 2 or 3 years. My nephews won't take them caus they're spoilt silly and I can't just throw them out so I give them to the girls I like the best. They can either practice their English or re-load with a bootleg local language version of Windows with stickers on the keys.

BTW, they were ALL from Nana this trip!

[WestCoast1]

RJ, I want to compliment you on the great photographs you post in the Thai Photo gallery and just now on this thread.

Ditto!

In order to create high quality pictures that capture a girl's sexiness and what she is about, she must be comfortable in front of the camera. Some girls take to being photographed like a fish to water, other girls are more wary. You have to make the shy ones feel comfortable in front of the camera and relaxed in order to get the good shots.

Concur. If you look at my pics, and read my reports, you will see many girls have turned into cam-ho's once in the room. They (or a friend / cousin they brought along) will take dozens of pics of themselves in the room, before / during / after the play, just for fun.