Phnom Penh

[ShinShin]

I just finished my Phnom Penh trip. I just quote a few prices for reference. Phnom Penh is definitely overall more expensive than Thailand or Myanmar.

First the food is really expensive and not very tasty. A ordinary meal in a more cleaner restaurant minimum 5-6 dollars plus drink 1-2 dollars. I personally spend about 10 for a meal in cleaner places, try to avoid diarrhea is important. Tuk tuk cost 1. 5 short ride. 2-3 for longer ride. Example from Sorya to Naga 3, Sorya to riverside 2. Motodop is 1 anywhere within the center.

Hotel is the only thing that is not expensive, you can get nice clean rooms from 20 up. Girl price, in the tourist market, decent looking girl from Pontoon 50 up, not too attractive 30 up, decent or not decent girl from Darling or tourist karaoke like Casa 100 up. I have never found a girl willing to go under that. Street 136,130 bars, decent looking ones 40 up plus 10 BF, not so good lookers will go for 30. LE Cyrcee 30-40.

The local market, when I was there, I could not find any what Phnom street walkers, seems like there was a crack down, but you can get street walkers for 30 or less if you find them. I found some more north near the Japan bridge, 20-30 dollars, some look young, but the atmosphere does not look very safe, as I mentioned already there are hundreds of local joints advertised as hair salon, coffee shops, restaurants, grocery stores, massages, KTVs, ect, I think locals pay 15-20. When you play in the local joints, be careful your wallet, better put under your pillow, or just bring a little money. I did not experience anything but lots expats I talked to warn me.

[Goatscrot]

The $5 ST prices were from 2004. Prices has gone up a lot (petro has gone up from $1 a gallon to $5. Vegetables in the local market was gone up dramatically). LE Cryee girls will be $35 or $40 for ST. But the differences will be huge if you compare the girls from LE Cryee and California's Long Beach Blvd, where an ugly skank will be $40 - $60. You probably can get an old, ugly skank for $5. People write you can get decent girls at Naga for approx. $100. Prices for cute girls in the West will be more.

Need to understand the timeline. The $1 a day numbers are from 2004. Garment workers earn between $120 - $180 a month. $4/5 per ride is way too much, unless it is a long ride. I take tuk tuks. 5000 riel is local cost for normal ride. I pay 6000 riel for short rides, $2 for normal rides, and $2. 50-$3 for long rides. Not sure of the cost of moto dops. Maybe between 1500 to 2500 riel for normal rides? Of course as a tourist, they will expect / demand $1.

Former shadow of itself, but there are still activities to be had.

Yes, chicken farms are cheap, but filthy.

People have written that chicken farm is still there behind the port. I haven't been there in 20 years.

AKA is an acronym for "Also Known As".

Those old massage places on Street 63 are closed. There might be other brothel places inside of hair salons / and or upstairs around that area.

Flamingos is a 2 star hotel, near Walkabout, Pontoon and Heart of Darkness, Sorya Mall. Good location. It's still there.

It was closed many years ago.

Sovann is a common name for Cambodian men.

Someone wrote that Martinis recently closed.

Who the heck wrote these 3 bars were the best. That statement probably was written before 2004. The "best bars" depends on what you want / like.

Those are probably freelancers with their pimps. Those girls are not recommended for most people. Cheaper than the hostess bars. Bad service, rip-offs etc. Even the locals have trouble. But, you might find a diamond in the rough.

There are / were local massage parlors, along the riverside below the Friendship bridge. Cheap, but ugly girls. Near tried it. Girls were too ugly.

Lin is a command name for Cambodian females. One Lin used to sell books. Now she's a little older. She has a kid. Not so pretty anymore, after getting older and having a kid.

Ridiculous statement. Only applies if you compare 1996 Cambodia (before UN came in).

I also got help from Jim on my first trip to Cambodia. His hotel riverside was closed, but he opened another one away from the riverside. My guess is that he is still around. Google to find hotel.

Yes. It is on Street 136.

Went on my first trip to PP in '99. Have not been for almost 10 years. All of the information provided above is exactly why I have no sites on returning.

[GreenBud]

I read in the first section that the prices where $5-$10 dollar ST and $15-$20 LT.

But looking at the most recent 25 pages it would appear that the prices have gone up 500% making it just a little bit cheaper to go then stay at home.

Because if it is $40/$50 dollars for ST I will stay at home or go ells where not for a 40 yo fat old hag.

The $5 ST prices were from 2004. Prices has gone up a lot (petro has gone up from $1 a gallon to $5. Vegetables in the local market was gone up dramatically). LE Cryee girls will be $35 or $40 for ST. But the differences will be huge if you compare the girls from LE Cryee and California's Long Beach Blvd, where an ugly skank will be $40 - $60. You probably can get an old, ugly skank for $5. People write you can get decent girls at Naga for approx. $100. Prices for cute girls in the West will be more.

Also at the beginning it was stated not to pay more then 1000 riel for a moto ride as the average earnings in Cambodia are or where a dollar a day.

And later I hear of people paying $4/$5 dollar for this. So what is the crack?

Need to understand the timeline. The $1 a day numbers are from 2004. Garment workers earn between $120 - $180 a month. $4/5 per ride is way too much, unless it is a long ride. I take tuk tuks. 5000 riel is local cost for normal ride. I pay 6000 riel for short rides, $2 for normal rides, and $2. 50-$3 for long rides. Not sure of the cost of moto dops. Maybe between 1500 to 2500 riel for normal rides? Of course as a tourist, they will expect / demand $1.

Is Sihanoukvilla still the place it was or is that too just a former shadow of its self.


I also read that chicken farms are a good cheap spot to get laid but are filthy hell holes.

Former shadow of itself, but there are still activities to be had.

Yes, chicken farms are cheap, but filthy.

Is the chicken farm behind the back of 'port Sville' still there?

I also read 'AKA the farm' but could not make much out of it. Is AKA a place or chicken farm or have I miss read it?

People have written that chicken farm is still there behind the port. I haven't been there in 10 years.

AKA is an acronym for "Also Known As".

I read allot about street 63 and what a rip off con set up end of holiday end of life it can be.

Those old massage places on Street 63 are closed. There might be other brothel places inside of hair salons and / or upstairs around that area.

And is flamingo's still going?

Flamingos is a 2 star hotel, near Walkabout, Pontoon and Heart of Darkness, Sorya Mall. Good location. It's still there.

I also read that Sophie was a hot bed and a popular place (but a little grotty) Is this place still going?

It was closed many years ago.

I'm a bit confused with this name 'Sovann' near the water front; is it a club?

Sovann is a common name for Cambodian men.

But on a good note I read before that Sharkys, Walkabout and Martini's was the place to be then and still is the place to be now.

So I guess these 3 bars are the best in town right. So which one out of the 3 would you recommend me?

Someone wrote that Martinis recently closed.

Who the heck wrote these 3 bars were the best. That statement probably was written before 2004. The "best bars" depends on what you want / like.

Has anyone noticed girls being traded off the back of motorcycles at Monivong and Victory monument?

Those are probably freelancers with their pimps. Those girls are not recommended for most people. Cheaper than the hostess bars. Bad service, rip-offs etc. Even the locals have trouble. But, you might find a diamond in the rough.

Dose anyone have any experience / info on Sisowath Quay near the Cambodia-Japan Friendship Bridge?

There are / were local massage parlors, along the riverside below the Friendship bridge. Cheap, but ugly girls. Near tried it. Girls were too ugly.

Is Lin still selling books along the riverfront?

Lin is a command name for Cambodian females. One Lin used to sell books. Now she's a little older. She has a kid. Not so pretty anymore, after getting older and having a kid.

And Iraq was also mentioned as a country safer and better then Cambodia.

Ridiculous statement. Only applies if you compare 1996 Cambodia (before UN came in).

I have read there is a bar or hotel called California 2 owned by Jim; whom is a good honest source of information; is this still going?

I also got help from Jim on my first trip to Cambodia. His hotel riverside was closed, but he opened another one away from the riverside. My guess is that he is still around. Google to find hotel.

Is The Red Fox still full of x-patts?

Yes. It is on Street 136.

[Titanio]

This post shows how quick developments go over a couple of years, and how useless it is to ask any questions of situations and circumstances from some years ago. Reading all the way back is fine to get an impression of history and the past. Most of your questions are out dated. Just go, and get the experience as your q's cannot be properly answered. Sorry!

[James02]

So after my last posting and replies of FFS-RTFT.

I did!

In fact I have read the entire 95 pages of the 2002-2006 PP locked thread.

And the last 25-30 pages of the most recent threads.

As there are over 400 pages in the new thread I won't be reading every single one of them.

And I think I have read enough of them now to come back and ask some questions as to the missing gaps / dates of the 400 pages I have not read.

I read in the first section that the prices where $5-$10 dollar ST and $15-$20 LT.

But looking at the most recent 25 pages it would appear that the prices have gone up 500% making it just a little bit cheaper to go then stay at home.

Has this little secret corner of the world now been exposed by NGOs (disguised new age plastic aristocratic civil servants IMHO because 99% of the.

Charity funds come from western governments; UK class example) and are now a big tourists haven of false pretenses just like rip off Thailand.

Because if it is $40/$50 dollars for ST I will stay at home or go ells where not for a 40 yo fat old hag.

But I need to find out more information before I make that decision and ask some question about the postings I have read.

Also at the beginning it was stated not to pay more then 1000 riel for a moto ride as the average earnings in Cambodia are or where a dollar a day.

And later I hear of people paying $4/$5 dollar for this. So what is the crack?

As I have been reading the Cambodia classified section and there are a few recommended moto drivers; how much should I be prepared to offer them?

Sihanoukvilla.

I will start with my questions on Sihanoukvilla as there seams to be a lot of chicken farms hear.

Is Sihanoukvilla still the place it was or is that too just a former shadow of its self.

Is the chicken farm near king gold hotel still in operation?

3 names of different chicken farms in Sihanukilla I can't make much sense out of are.

1. In thmei village. Called koh kong's, not sure if this is correct or not, but dose this make any sense.

2. phoum thmey village: near the koh kong ferry or chicken farm by docks.

3. Punsahmi, called the Chicken Village.

Is The Fisherman den bar and The Angkor inn still open and as I have been told a good place to stop for good advice?

And is the go cart track still there with the crazy French nutter who live there?

More questions on chicken farms (PP).

I also read that chicken farms are a good cheap spot to get laid but are filthy hell holes.

Is the chicken farm behind the back of 'port Sville' still there?

I also read 'AKA the farm' but could not make much out of it. Is AKA a place or chicken farm or have I miss read it?

Is there a chicken farm called Viet farms on Omuni st?

Now some questions on bars from the past in PP.

I read about tual kork or Toul Kork near to the French embassy in early threads and read it was the next best thing to that little village.

10-12 km north of the city that is now closed.

I red people saying they where going to close it for years but they never did. Is this place still up and running?

I read allot about street 63 and what a rip off con set up end of holiday end of life it can be.

But is 'Samdach Sothearos' still there? (I think it was on street 63).

And also Street 63 go down past the Central Market 200 meters down the street I heard 5 good brothels. Are they still there?

And is flamingo's still going?

I also read that Sophie was a hot bed and a popular place (but a little grotty) Is this place still going?

The Golden Vine, how is this place now?

What about the 'Navy club' is it still the relocated spot of the now debunked little village north of the city.

And massage parlors on Street 63 was the left overs of the defunct village of the north?

I'm a bit confused with this name 'Sovann' near the water front; is it a club?

Another name of a club I could not get the gist of was 'heaven on earth' or is it "Cambodia, heaven on earth".

I'm going to put my Doubting Thomas hat on and presume they all have been raided and closed down by now.

Or do they just move onto somewhere ells or is that it once and for all. The fascist regime the NGOs' have finally one?

But on a good note I read before that Sharkys, Walkabout and Martini's was the place to be then and still is the place to be now.

So I guess these 3 bars are the best in town right. So which one out of the 3 would you recommend me?

I will keep my questions about the most recent stuff I have read at the bottom of the page.

Has anyone noticed girls being traded off the back of motorcycles at Monivong and Victory monument?

Dose anyone have any experience / info on Sisowath Quay near the Cambodia-Japan Friendship Bridge?

Some good parlors nearby so I have read, anyone ells been down?

Is Lin still selling books along the riverfront?

Of course if the whole PP thing is not going to be to my liking then other places must be considered.

I read on hear before that the quality is going to be much better in Jakarta in Indonesia!

And Iraq was also mentioned as a country safer and better then Cambodia.

Of course if anyone is in fragrance with this I will start reading the correct forums.

And finally I would like to discuss friends and wingmen.

Some where you can eat and drink in peace and quiet with out being hounded by girls selling themselves all the time.

The last time I went mongering I had a wingman that always got me the best price with the girl possible, and that was not white mans price ever.

But this guy was seen as a pain in the ass as far as the locals in the town where concerned.

Trouble was what ever I saved on the girls I compensated on buying him drinks all night so not a winner rely.

But if I do decide to go I would like to meat up with a few good people and get myself a decent moto driver from the classified section on this site.

I have read there is a bar or hotel called California 2 owned by Jim; whom is a good honest source of information; is this still going?

Is The Red Fox still full of x-patts?

And the name "dy borima" mean anything?

Many thanks.

James02

[LoveTool]

The traditional brothels are mostly closed, but all these joints in different camouflage sprung up in every part of the city. Must be very convenient for these local guys. This is really heaven.

This is a good discovery. Just an idea, but do you think you could share the location of one of these places? This way someone can go have a look and then have the know-how to be able to recognize them elsewhere.

[ShinShin]

I was free all day until 10 PM to pick up my little Viet girl I booked yesterday. I rode my motorbike around town, and found just incredibly many brothel joints in camouflage. In the BKK 1 area I found some joints disguised as coffee shops. There was one shop on a side street of Mao Tse Tung Avenue advertised as Vietnam coffee, so went in and felt the vibe was strange. There were 5 waitresses and a several smiled at me. I ordered a ice coffee and tried to chat with the waitresses, and confirmed it is also a sex joint. I realized the girls and an older lady probably the mama were discussing how much to quote me. One of the lady said in English 40. But I said 30, they accepted without hesitation, so must be cheaper like 15-20. If locals pay 15-20, I am willing to pay 10-15 more, because these places do not need our business, actually they think we foriegners are a annoyance to their business and a danger to their business. To me it's a privilege to enter their hidden realm, so I do not mind to pay a little more for the special prvilege.

All these girls are doable, no one is special but all young and tight. My girl offer BBBJ for extra 5, even mention BB for extra 20, did not take the offer but I did not come, was a bit nervous looking closely at my wallet and mobile.

On the way back to my hotel near Sorya Mall, I found another suspicious restaurant with 4 ladies sitting inside, the sign is Khmer I think they serve hot pot. I went in to check and I wanted to order, but could feel the vibe it's not really a food place. There was 1 cute one, I asked I want to order food, but seems they only have drink, ordered a Cambodia beer, I pointed to the cute one the finger sign upstairs, there was no mama or papa at that time, only the 4 ladies, she used fingers sign to tell me 25 ok ok, I paid 25 and she took me to the back room, I felt easier here because no pimp around, we chatted a bit with google, she is new to Cambo she said she goes home after 2 months and not coming back. I had trouble come again, and again these Viet girls always just rip off your condom and stick it in, I feel bad that I bareback several already in this pattern. I decided next time, I don't come I just use hand or leave it. Gave her 20 tip. She was very happy.

The traditional brothels are mostly closed, but all these joints in different camouflage sprung up in every part of the city. Must be very convenient for these local guys. This is really heaven.

[CharmingGuy1]

Hello friends,

I am new here and from Singapore. I am planning a 10 day vacation in either Pattaya / Bangkok OR Cambodia (Siem Reap / Phnom Penh).

Now I have been to Bangkok last year and the girls there were good but a little rude. My question is:

How is the sex scene in Siem Reap / Phnom Penh compared to Bangkok? Non existent or very bad or good enough? If I stay in Siem for 3 days, how easy is it to get variety of girls for night to my hotel? If I can get girls easily (I am brown skinned and not white farang), I will not go to Bangkok this time and just go to Siem Reap / Phnom Penh. That way, I can also visit Angkor what!

At Robertbsm: Can you please PM me sir about your girls details?

Thank you.

[Fast Eddie 48]

That sounds very nice actually. They will allow guests for sure?

Have you ever stayed there? Do they have good internet?

Thanks again for the input, will post report if I wind up going there.

Thanks!

Bill.

To Billy.

The Naga are girl friendly that is why they call it the Entertaiment complex you got all the action there, There are not many hotel in PP that are not girl friend only one I know is the Raffle that is a classy hotel.

Fast eddie 48.

[Wendella]

Almost forgot, good find with that karaoke. I finally got braver on later visits and found some places like that, one was a kind of fishbowl upstairs with 10 or so girls, guys sitting on sofas around the room outside. Nothing great. Cheap, at that time, $10 or $15. But one of the most soulless experiences you could find. I decided not to try. Had I seen one like you found in the fishbowl it might have turned out different.

[Wendella]

I will keep trying Khmer if I find cute ones since I am in Cambo, but will take more Viets since more guarantee for me.

I was walking around the riverside, ...

Yeah as I remember on certain ones I hooked up with in Cambodia in the past, one was a super fine little one I got from Martini, Khmer, great attitude, though I can't remember whether she did BJ or not. Once I got two Khmer girls, again Martini, one had terrible attitude and the other was maybe my best (Khmer) ever, in terms of attitude at least. Naturaly the other one was cuter. Oh well. They were pals and wanted to go together if I'd take them, my eye was on the tall thin one in the club, then when I got them in the light of the room I thought holy f*ing crow, her little friend is amazingly hot. Made the mistake of doing the tall one first and blowing load there, didn't have the oomph to do the little one right after that. Couldn't get it up, basically. It was like, how can I not get it up for this one? The idea of both of them together seemed great at the club. But back in the room, whoever's turn it wasn't would wait in the bathroom, their idea. Khmer threesome they call that, I think. For what it's worth, the tall one just wanted to do it again and again and again and again, finally I asked her to leave late afternoon of the next day. For some reason my Viets in PP aren't as memorable. My Viets in Vietnam, whole other story.

You might be right about the tendencies of Khmer and Viet girls, in Cambodia at least. Back in the day, that would have been because the Viets were being brought in (from Mekong area mainly) and were being trained, thus had the skills and willingness. But that's been mostly blocked, as far as I know, for years now, so I'm not sure why these days the Viets would be such better performers.

[ShinShin]

To me it sounds like you happened to have some bad luck with some girls who happened to be Cambodian, and good luck with ones who happened to be Vietnamese. I think it's inevitable that you'll have good luck with a Cambodian girl if you keep meeting them, and likewise bad luck with a Vietnamese one. In other words, there's no hard rule that Cambodian girls are bad and Vietnamese are good. I've had fantastic Cambodian girls, and Vietnamese girls from hell.

Good thing is that I never had any horrendous session in Cambodia, at least all forgivable at worst. Unlike in Thailand I really had quite a few temper flaring experiences. In my experience in Cambodia, Khmers girls lots of them don't BJ at all and others give very very bad BJ at best, I rarely got satisfying BJ from Khmer. Also more shy, like they insist take shower alone or cover up with towels all the time and hurriedly sneak in the blanket, things like that kind of turn me off. But may turn on for others. Viet girls in my experiences, laugh more, more open, give good BJ, and for me they are more attractive in appearance than Khmers.

I will keep trying Khmer if I find cute ones since I am in Cambo, but will take more Viets since more guarantee for me.

I was walking around the riverside, there is a street I think parallel to 130, maybe the next one, there are many very local karaoke KTV with Viet or Khmers girls, I walked by and inquired, they all reluctant to showed me inside at first, some even waved me away, but several pimps outside finally let me in, all these shops had about 4-6 ladies mixed Viet / Khmer, with rooms inside, they all tried to rip me off, 40-60 Usd they told, I know locals pay 15 or less, but I saw one really out of place extreme cute Viet girl again, the pimp insisted 60, but after 10 min bargain, best I could do was 50, and crap I saw a local guy came in and pay 15 and the pimp was trying to hide the amount from me, the room was quite dirty, I requested to go outside ST room also worry of getting wallet stolen, plus 10, pimp took us on his bike to a nearby ST room.

This girl was so pretty, just turned 18 got her first passport, and came with another girl, but I think has been scouted by Chinese, going to work in Macau soon. She was very patient chatting with me through google translate. Ended up going back her shop one hour late, the pimp charged me extra 20. I negotiated all night tomorrow from 10 PM to noon, pimp won't release her earlier than that, cost 120. No hidden gems stay long here. Found one use it as much as you can before it disappears.

[Wendella]

I think next 3 days, I would not pick Khmer girl, I just focus on Viet, personally I always have more fun with Viet.

To me it sounds like you happened to have some bad luck with some girls who happened to be Cambodian, and good luck with ones who happened to be Vietnamese. I think it's inevitable that you'll have good luck with a Cambodian girl if you keep meeting them, and likewise bad luck with a Vietnamese one. In other words, there's no hard rule that Cambodian girls are bad and Vietnamese are good. I've had fantastic Cambodian girls, and Vietnamese girls from hell, in Phnom Penh. Bad luck comes with the territory in this hobby. But so does good luck. Only way to get that is to dust oneself off and get back out there. I surely wouldn't advise ruling out pursuit of Cambodian girls in Cambodia.

[ShinShin]

I have been in Phnom Penh for 2 days. This trip I wanted to check some places outside the tourist zones. I tried a few tuk tuk drivers, but most of them take me to these small Viet joints disguised as other business or massage parlours, one young tuktuk took me to some place near airport with karaoke style setting, there I found a ridiculously cute Cambodian girl. I think I paid much more than locals pay and the tuk tuk commission on top, I paid her to go a day and half from 10 PM to next 7 PM, I felt a bit wasted the money, 180 USD, that was all I could get down from 250 they demanded. But the girl must be poor still using these phone that has no color or picture function. And her pussy seems quite big compare her age. And she completely clueless about the most basic English. A GF session half condom then half bb because she saw I could not come, she took off for me. I got bored after one shot, her English level was non existent, I set her free at 3 AM, try to ask me taxi money 10, but I refused.

Next day, I found a shop near Russian market advertise as karaoke, but there were 8 Viet girls, 2 were very doable, but the papasan does not allow over night, allow ST outside visit, I took one to my room for 60, I still prefer Viet, they simply more fun in bed than Khmer. The night went to Darling, and had the worst session from there in about 15 tries. I did not pick the girl but this Khmer girl was next to me at the bar, and danced and rubbed her pussy on my knees, I thought she would be a good performer, I was wrong, the first early runner I had in Cambodia. 100 USD for WTF 40 min, terrible BBBJ, and phone rang all the time. I think next 3 days, I would not pick Khmer girl, I just focus on Viet, personally I always have more fun with Viet.

[BillyJ]

To Billy.

The Naga World hotel and entertainment complex one of the nicest and new hotel on the river front. It have a casino, Sauna, KTV and a night club with FL inside the hotel room is under 100 usd a night hotel here is cheap by average compare to Bangkok.

Fast eddie 48.

That sounds very nice actually. They will allow guests for sure?

Have you ever stayed there? Do they have good internet?

Thanks again for the input, will post report if I wind up going there.

Thanks!

Bill.