Phnom Penh

[Rick Rock]

I'm not going to get into a discussion on economics, especially on this forum of all places. I'll just say that in the final judgement value of a commodity reflects the amount needed to reproduce the work embedded in it. Supply and demand and the market only helps this process along, it doesn't supercede it (that's why a garment worker in Vietnam is paid 1/100th of what his counterpart in Vermont would be paid for the exact same work; it costs a lot more to house, feed, and raise a new generation of garment workers in Burlington than it does Hanoi at the current time. Of course this doesn't matter for international corporations based in place like New York, which are playing with USA dollars and exporting the final products to the West). This goes against the "common wisdom" of the American School of make believe "free markets" and "supply and demand," which reflects the rise and dominance of fictitious capital that caused the 1973-2008 credit bubble and crisis from which we haven't and won't recover, but it's none the less true. If you read any of the founders of political economy, those who formulated the ideological basis of capitalism and discovered its processes, you'll find what the reality is. Some economists are now doing precisely that, in an effort to discover a way out of the current impasse.

The End.

[Wendella]

Anyone will work for the highest rate they can get. That's obvious. The issue is why foreigners are paying such high rates. Of course the people would work for a lot less if such rates weren't on offer, because they need a lot less to live, then say, an escort in Manhattan.

I thought you said the issue was why they charge that much. Anyway, the reason foreigners pay that much is easy to guess: because at that moment they're probably a bit drunk and looking at a gorgeous girl, and eager to move on to the next stage of things. And they're on holiday. And they have plenty of spend money on hand. And this is the time to spend it. And they're horny. And they know when they go back home, the same thing will cost a lot more.

[Rick Rock]

These guys will spend $60 to fill their gas tanks to drive around and look at the shopping malls where they come from. They'd have to pay at least $100 for a HJ, where they live. They pay $1000s on airfare and hotels and cry about $30. Give me a break. Be thankful for what you can get for such small money.

I don't have a gas tank. I'm from NYC. I pay $2 to go anywhere in the five boroughs. 24 hours a day, on an air conditioned train. I also don't go to shopping malls. Again, I'm from NYC. Is that why people pay a lot in PP? Because they are suburban suckers, conspicuous spenders, show offs? So the same reason NYC is getting ruined by bridge and tunnel assholes applies to a far flung end of the world location like PP?

A HJ in NYC in Chinatown attached to a 1 hour massage runs me exactly $35. I paid $950 to fly to Hong Kong. $135 from there to BKK. $105 from BKK to Phnom Penh. All round trip. How any of this is relevant to girls who were born and raised in Cambodia and need less than $100 a month to live above the local standard is beyond me.

Anyone will work for the highest rate they can get. That's obvious. The issue is why foreigners are paying such high rates. Of course the people would work for a lot less if such rates weren't on offer, because they need a lot less to live, then say, an escort in Manhattan.

And when I say I pay 1000 be LT in Pattaya, that's not for beach road or Soi 6 hags. Cute girls with flat stomachs no stretch marks nice tits and asses from Soi 7 and Soi 8 go with me at the rate without a problem. They are as good as any girl in PP. It costs them a lot more to live in Pattaya than it costs a girl to live in PP. They have to bang more guys to earn the same standard of life. Why is that?

If you like paying the Hong Kong rates in a country where most people lack electricity and toilets, more power to you. Just don't promote the place as a world historic value for mongering, because it's not.

[Wendella]

That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.

PP has that same kind of super cheap ST, at about that price, but it's seedy as hell and you probably wouldn't be into it if you were taken there. That used to be part of the 'scene' in PP but there's been a crackdown on it, so it's much less avaiilable to foreigners these days. PP is still one of the cheapest places in the world. The only problem seems to be the expectation that there be a direct correspondence between cost of living for locals and the price you pay. Since you don't work there and earn local wages, I don't see how that affects you though.

[Jp Slicky]

Rick.

Don't mean to flame you.

However, You can always come back to Japan and pay the going rates and get the kooky here.

[Easton]

If money matters, avoid the airport ATM as it costs $6 USD. In town or other local shops, the ATM fee is $ 4 USD.

Use the ATM in the Cambodia Mekong Bank on the riverfront, there are no fees. It will give you all $100 bills, but then you just change them at their counter.

Also, there are some real cuties working there.

[Member #4698]

Phnom Penh is not for everybody, prices were much lower 5 years ago, and I guess many more girls were GFE back then, but I still like the place. It is not Bangkok and that is a good thing. I travel in Asia for 5 or 6 weeks at a time. I always spend a couple weeks in BKK, but there are times when I want to get away from the big Mango and all that Asian metropolis thing the Thais have going on there. Phnom Penh is fun. It has a different pace. I like to walk around, cross the streets whenever I feel like it, eat Khmer food, and yes spend some time with the local girls. Phnom is not my favorite watering hole in Asia, but every other year or so I get the desire to come back and relax here. I was last in Penh in 2011. I took a mini side trip to Kep and Kampot. I rented a motorcycle for $5 /day and toured the countryside. The Penh girls treated me well and I had a great time. I paid around $25 and $30 for multiple shots ST. I am starting to get that 'wish I was back in PP blues' again. Guess I will have to start planning my next trip.

A rough ball park price comparison should compare apples to apples not apples to figs. I can't keep track of exact prices all that much because I visit a lot of places and I just don't care what I pay as long as I am paying the local market rate and the girls I take show me a good time.

Penh – good looking hostess girls $30 + barfine ST (my experience – this includes two pops). Finding the right girl may take a little time. Girls hanging out in casinos ask more ($50 and higher). Are they worth it? It depends on the girl.

BKK – Cowboy / Nana Go Go girl 2000bt + barfine ST and 3000bt LT. Some girls are starting to ask 2500bt ST. Sexy oily massage girls still around 2100bt ST total and soapy girls are from 2200bt up to 6800bt ST.

Makati – hot Burgos ST bar girl 3000p average + 3000p bar fine more or less which will come to 5000 to 8000p LT. High end Quezon KTV girls 12000p ($300). No lie.

Macau – really beautiful Chinese sauna girls 1600hk to 2300hk ST.

AC – above average Fields lookers 2000p LT ($50) inclusive. Above average Perimeter lookers 1200p to 1500p LT. So AC is sometimes about the same price as Penh in this category and sometimes more expensive. Penh has better ambiance and food and keep this in mind; some AC bars have premium girls with 3000p to 4000p EWR's. I don't see the savings here over PP, but I like both places for different reasons.

Pattaya - walking Street good looking Go Go girls 2000 to 2500bt + barfine ST and 3000bt – 4000bt + barfine LT. Sure there are a tons of cheaper alternatives in Pattaya. The Coconut Bar, Soi 6, and the Dark Side, but remember I am comparing apples to apples. Pattaya at the top level is not cheaper than Penh.

So that was my little comparison of top quality to top quality girls which is what I focus on when I am in the field hunting. If you want to compare FL's to FL's; that is another story. For Example: PP $10 ST, BKK 1000bt ST, Pattaya 500 to 700bt ST & 1000bt LT, AC 700p LT, Malate / Ermita 1500p LT, Macau 250hk to 1000hk ST. So the cheapest girls are still in Penh, then AC and then Pattaya. I guess what Rick is trying to say is Pattaya and AC have a better and larger selection of girls at the lower end price level. I have no argument with this. Hey, go where your bliss leads and your wallet allows. AND be happy!

[JesseJames]

I'm puzzled why you are 'surprised' by the prices here. The Phnom Penh thread has a lot of information on ST and LT prices. The consensus is that ST ranges from $10-30 and LT from $15-40 here. Presumably you read some of this. You also say you were helped by some of the posters with information. So why all the grouching?

Yes there are many other countries with cheaper prices. If cost is of a primary concern to you, then go to those countries.

The overall average monthly income here including the millions of impoverished rural workers may well be $30, but the girls have to spend a lot more than that to work in the bars. Yes their rent is generally $20-40 a month, but food is about $40-60, moto trips to and from work are about $40-60 a month, clothes, make-up and incidental expenses maybe another $20-40 a month. So their monthly expenses are realistically about $120-180.

These figures are from talking to a lot of girls here.

So it takes them about six ST's a month to cover their costs, or quite a few lady drinks.

Anyway, have fun in Nicaragua or Pattaya. Cheaper girls, but for me personally, not with the charm of some of the Khmer girls here.

These guys will spend $60 to fill their gas tanks to drive around and look at the shopping malls where they come from. They'd have to pay at least $100 for a HJ, where they live. They pay $1000s on airfare and hotels and cry about $30. Give me a break. Be thankful for what you can get for such small money.

[AussieGuy100]

That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.

I'm puzzled why you are 'surprised' by the prices here. The Phnom Penh thread has a lot of information on ST and LT prices. The consensus is that ST ranges from $10-30 and LT from $20-40 here. Presumably you read some of this. You also say you were helped by some of the posters with information. So why all the grouching?

Yes there are many other countries with cheaper prices. If cost is of a primary concern to you, then go to those countries.

The overall average monthly income here including the millions of impoverished rural workers may well be $30, but the girls have to spend a lot more than that to work in the bars. Yes their rent is generally $20-40 a month, but food is about $40-60, moto trips to and from work are about $40-60 a month, clothes, make-up and incidental expenses maybe another $20-40 a month. So their monthly expenses are realistically about $120-180.

These figures are from talking to a lot of girls here.

So it takes them about six ST's a month to cover their costs, or quite a few lady drinks.

Anyway, have fun in Nicaragua or Pattaya. Cheaper girls, but for me personally, not with the charm of some of the Khmer girls here. When I'm fucking a gorgeous, slim, soft-skinned, tight pussied twenty-year old Khmer girl, I really don't care that it may be costing me $5-10 more a night than somewhere else.

[Sammon]

The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of £800+ for an overnight in the UK.

All prostitutes irrespect of which country they live and work make way more money than most other people working a hard day.

But remeber prostitutes have a short span to make money. Older she gets demand and price goes down. If they have not made money and settled by the time they are 28 they are introuble. Unfortunately they learn too late and end up in squalid neighbourhoods eching out a living and remembering about how she lived when she was young. Couple of AC girls I know very well comes to mind. They were very beautiffull with nice bodies and turned down many customers.

Price in this business dictates on the beauty of the girl alone. Performance only counts if the guy wants repeat the same girl.

Ofcourse unless the guy is wealthy, workers who earn in dollars, pounds, euros can afford to pay more to the girl. They always compare at home prices for hookers. Will this spoil the market? Sure it will but it is all demand supply. All men have overpaid at times if they see a girl they really want. Once I paid $800 for a day and half to a beautifull Russian girl who was very good in bed in Atlantic city. Only problem was she was snorting cocaine.

In our monger business if we see a girl we like we tend to pay more to get her irrespective of market price.

[Rick Rock]

That's not why I went there. Many Khmer women are beautiful, same as anywhere else. I dated one in New York for a while. I'm talking specifically about working girls that are not beautiful. They exist everywhere, but no where else in the world that I know of can they get a month's income with a single no-BJ romp. THAT'S what I'm talking about here. INSANE prices for mongering that bare no relation to the condition or economy of the country. The place IS NOT a value at all, and I feel disappointed that I was told it was.

Cheaper ST exists in so many places. A real "value" place to me would be the $7 short time in Nicaragua for example.

[Samu Ray]

Why would I go to a place to insult their woman? Hell! If the place and it's people is below your taste, don't go there!

[Rick Rock]

The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of £800+ for an overnight in the UK.

Good thing I don't live in the UK. And neither do the girls in Phnom Penh. They pay $80 a month rent, split with three friends, and maybe $35 a month on food and other expenses. They fuck one idiot and make their entire income for the month. Filipinas and Thais fuck way more to make their monthly income, probably even escorts in New York do.

Phnom Penh, the only place in the world a chubby girl with bad teeth can fuck a guy once, without even doing a BJ mind you, and have money to last a month.

[Scorchin1470]

So then we should ignore the prices that she offers, or is willing to be bargained down to, instead inquire about how much she pays in rent or to do her nails, and take the negotiating from there? That's different, I'll give you that.

Actually I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here, but there are places with prices closer to your expectations, they're the ones that locals go to (and that mainly only locals can stomach). You're going to places geared toward foreigners. Different customers, different prices in each of those 2 scenes. I assume you don't find that strange.

It seems pretty simple even using your own examples: the girls aren't willing to go lower, and obviously they're still earning enough to make showing up every night worthwhile, so there's no reason for them to lower their price. In this case at least, it seems like it's your primary factors that don't matter too much.

You're totally right though that PP is not a serious monger destination. It does make some sense for mongering if someone happens to be passing through, it's something to do while there, or if you are living in Vietnam and don't have the time / money to go all the way to Thailand. For people like that, it's just something different, and actually a little cheaper than similar venues in VN. If you have some money to spend, and time to go there, then Thailand is vastly better.

The continued discussion of prices and comparators is really rather counter productive. Whilst we all want value for money, when we come from the USA or Europe paying $30 L / t compares pretty favourably with UK prices of £800+ for an overnight in the UK.

[Wendella]

Supply and demand is secondary. The American School of Economics, which has done such a good job the world over (see: 2008) , likes to pretend that's it's primary, but it's not.

So when talking about prices, you first have to consider how much the girl needs to house herself, feed herself, get around, get her clothes and nails painted, etc.

So then we should ignore the prices that she offers, or is willing to be bargained down to, instead inquire about how much she pays in rent or to do her nails, and take the negotiating from there? That's different, I'll give you that.

Actually I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here, but there are places with prices closer to your expectations, they're the ones that locals go to (and that mainly only locals can stomach). You're going to places geared toward foreigners. Different customers, different prices in each of those 2 scenes. I assume you don't find that strange.

It seems pretty simple even using your own examples: the girls aren't willing to go lower, and obviously they're still earning enough to make showing up every night worthwhile, so there's no reason for them to lower their price. In this case at least, it seems like it's your primary factors that don't matter too much.

You're totally right though that PP is not a serious monger destination. It does make some sense for mongering if someone happens to be passing through, it's something to do while there, or if you are living in Vietnam and don't have the time/money to go all the way to Thailand. For people like that, it's just something different, and actually a little cheaper than similar venues in VN. If you have some money to spend, and time to go there, then Thailand is vastly better.