Phnom Penh

[Nail The World]

I'm trying to figure out the logic here. So if there are 2 restaurants and both serve mainly seafood, but one is more expensive. The more expensive one is not a seafood restaurant? Period?

No Sir, that's not the point. The correct way to say this is that all the bars are both ST and LT bars. I was mainly taking objection to the promotion that was going on for a specific bar for ST purposes. I wanted to reject the notion that there was anything special about that bar regarding ST. There isn't. I simplified it in the statement that you quoted. I just wanted to offer a monger's opinion and leave it at that. The topic and the bar in question is not worth debating ad nauseam.

How about I say this. All bars offer ST and LT possibilities and that Martini's / Walkabout are dedicated spots for wham bam. There being more bars by the riverside there are more choices to be had.

[Wendella]

Yes you are.

It's not a short time bar, period. For better ST go to Martini's. $15-$20 a pop, no barfine, range of girls available. That's what you call a ST bar, not a den where the few girls available get "exhausted". Not my problem.

I'm trying to figure out the logic here. So if there are 2 restaurants and both serve mainly seafood, but one is more expensive. The more expensive one is not a seafood restaurant? Period?

[Noobmonger]

Please do report back

I sure will.

I may have extinguished your appetite for Tokyo Lounge. Apologize for that.

No problem. To be sure I emailed the guy on khmer440 who said he was the manager and asked him. He says he is no longer the manager but confirmed that the girls do not go with customers. However he said it is still a nice place to go if you just want some female company. Though I don't think it will really be of interest to those on here. I may still pop in just to see. He said the owner also owns sizzler and blue, both of which the girls will go with customers.

[Nail The World]

Martinis has no barfine because the girls are all freelancers. The bar owner there would know much less about the girls' history than in a regular hostess type bar, and my guess would be that the HIV prevalence is higher there. Often girls become freelancers because they can't get a regular job in a bar due to having HIV.

Sometimes they become freelancers in Cambodia because they are Vietnamese!

Also Martinis only seems to be worthwhile very late at night.

The only place I've found for afternoon ST opportunities is the Walkabout. Are there other better places someone can recommend?

It opens at 7pm with only a few girls around. By 9pm it's fully hopping. Walkabout is another so called "ST" option open 24 hours with varying attendance. All the bars open at 4pm, some even at 2pm (I think it was Rose bar where they said they opened at 2pm. Maybe, maybe not).

[Nail The World]

I'm now going to make it one of the first places I visit when I arrive. I'm dying to see if it's as good or bad, depending who you speak to, it really is.

Please do report back

I may have extinguished your appetite for Tokyo Lounge. Apologize for that.

[AussieGuy100]

Yes you are.

It's not a short time bar, period. For better ST go to Martini's. $15-$20 a pop, no barfine, range of girls available. That's what you call a ST bar, not a den where the few girls available get "exhausted". Not my problem.

Depends what you mean by short time bar. To me any bar has ST possibilities, though obviously the girls in some bars (like Zapata on 110) prefer LT, whilst others in places like Cyrcee or 69 prefer ST.

Martinis has no barfine because the girls are all freelancers. The bar owner there would know much less about the girls' history than in a regular hostess type bar, and my guess would be that the HIV prevalence is higher there. Often girls become freelancers because they can't get a regular job in a bar due to having HIV.

Also Martinis only seems to be worthwhile very late at night. Being an old fart, sometimes I don't want to stay up too late waiting for some action!

The only place I've found for afternoon ST opportunities is the Walkabout. Are there other better places someone can recommend?

[Noobmonger]

Guess I must be one of the newbies and "shills" mentioned!

Yes you are.

Everyone's mileage varies, I'm not sure why someone who has a different experience to you has to be a shill. One might conclude given the big deal you make of it that you had a vested interest in keeping people out of Cyrcee.

Anyway the emotions it seems to have raised has certainly piqued my interested and I'm now going to make it one of the first places I visit when I arrive. I'm dying to see if it's as good or bad, depending who you speak to, it really is.

[Nail The World]

Guess I must be one of the newbies and "shills" mentioned!

Yes you are.

Cyrcee bar is good early on (7-8pm) when the girls are fresh and far fewer punters are inside. Obviously if U-turn up very late in most bars, there will be fewer girls and they will be tired after doing six hours of "where you from?" and "you in PP on vacation?" plus possibly have done a couple of STs.

It's not a short time bar, period. For better ST go to Martini's. $15-$20 a pop, no barfine, range of girls available. That's what you call a ST bar, not a den where the few girls available get "exhausted". Not my problem.

[Wendella]

Nothing seems to generate as much comment here as the question of money, how much for ST, LT, and everything in between.

Sometimes it even generates two identical comments by the same person.

[Wendella]

Cyrcee bar. Avoid.

Candy bar (on 136). Avoid.

Sizzlers (on 136). This one was sizzling!

I'm not sure it's good strategy to write a place off forever based on one visit. If you go back to Sizzler's tomorrow (by the way, how were the steaks?) and certain things annoy you there the next time, then you'd probably also avoid that one for good. Within a couple of weeks of this you would be done with all of Phnom Penh for good. No bars are good every night. And maybe your perfect girl just happened to be barfined out of Candy and Cyrcee on the nights you were there.

Cyrcee bar does have a thing about more than one girl attending a customer. Great if you get there when the place is empty, but lousy if you're the last one in. Maybe the solution is just to get there earlier. Because it's a small bar, one needs some patience. Come one time, spot one you like but she's occupied. Make a mental note and come back another night. Easy enough. But tonight you just have one beer and then go if there's nothing there worth staying for. I'm no big fan of Cyrcee by the way -- for me it's too far from the rest of the bars and not enough girls work there to make discovering the hidden gem very likely.

One thing I will say: if a place has lots of girls, then it means it probably also has more turnover and fresh faces appearing. It also obviously has a better selection than a smaller bar with fewer girls. Things change in these bars, often from one night to the next. What was lousy on Tuesday might be heaven on Wednesday. If I was going to write off any bar, it would be one that was small where the girls were all long in the tooth, and after repeated visits it seemed to always be the same. In a bar like that, for me there's nothing there worth visiting for. But in a big bar with lots of girls, there's much more likely to be the one I'm looking for. And if some jaded girl there is rude, or whatever, I'd still feel like I need to come back a few times to figure out whether it's just that girl or if it's the general attitude of all of them who work there. And you can't really find that out from one short visit. If I did that, then I'd be letting one or 2 girls with bad attitude be the deciding factor in my ever hooking up with a great girl there. That would be self-defeating. Who cares if the place has a few lemons. I was in Candy just once or twice and never took anything out -- seemed about the same as many other places, but obviously a much bigger staff than most.

Anyway, that's my take. For me, the girl I hook up with is what it's all about. And these things like drink prices or what music they play, or if the general vibe is friendly or not. It's all low priority for me. But maybe that's just me.

[AussieGuy100]

Nothing seems to generate as much comment here as the question of money, how much for ST, LT, and everything in between.

I am sure that $10 shags still exist in PP. But as with most things in life, you get what you pay for. $10 will probably get you a plain girl in a dirty brothel or some desperate street girl. Unless of course you are one of the seemingly miraculous posters on this forum who seem to score gorgeous girls for $10 or $15 whenever they want. Good luck to them. The only $10 shag I got was with an ugly girl in a backstreet brothel in Battambang. It was horrible.

The other thing to remember is that you are not buying a product, but negotiating with a person for their services. Sure you can do the heavy bargaining and beat them down in price, as most really need the money, but what kind of attitude do you think they will have when you take them back to your hotel? How would you yourself feel if some areshole beat you down heavily in price for your professional services in IT, construction or whatever industry you are in? You'd feel pissed off. In my experience I've had much more attention, interest and performance from a girl if I've just lightly negotiated her price down from maybe $50 to $40 for LT rather than trying to force her down to $25 or so. To me it's worth the extra $5-10 for a happier girl.

[AussieGuy100]

Nothing seems to generate as much comment here as the question of money, how much for ST, LT, and everything in between.

I am sure that $10 shags still exist in PP. But as with most things in life, you get what you pay for. $10 will probably get you a plain girl in a dirty brothel or some desperate street girl. Unless of course you are one of the seemingly miraculous posters on this forum who seem to score gorgeous girls for $10 or $15 whenever they want. Good luck to them. The only $10 shag I got was with an ugly girl in a backstreet brothel in Battambang. It was horrible.

The other thing to remember is that you are not buying a product, but negotiating with a person for their services. Sure you can do the heavy bargaining and beat them down in price, as most really need the money, but what kind of attitude do you think they will have when you take them back to your hotel? How would you yourself feel if some areshole beat you down heavily in price for your professional services in IT, construction or whatever industry you are in? You'd feel pissed off. In my experience I've had much more attention, interest and performance from a girl if I've just lightly negotiated her price down from maybe $50 to $40 for LT rather than trying to force her down to $25 or so. To me it's worth the extra $5-10 for a happier girl.

[AussieGuy100]

My (brief) experience of the Fashion Lounge was that it was a complete waste of time. Took me a while to find, as it was No. 15 not 16, and slightly hidden. Not many girls and when I asked them if any went out on ST / LT, they pointed to the ugliest one and said "only her". And for some huge amount of $ as well.

[AussieGuy100]

Guess I must be one of the newbies and "shills" mentioned! I've been to PP four times now and spent two months there, so have reasonable experience of the place and try to be honest with my reports.

What I have found is that you can get completely different experiences in a given bar depending what time of night you visit.

Cyrcee bar is good early on (7-8pm) when the girls are fresh and far fewer punters are inside. Obviously if U-turn up very late in most bars, there will be fewer girls and they will be tired after doing six hours of "where you from?" and "you in PP on vacation?" plus possibly have done a couple of STs.

As to Cyrcee bar girl ratings, yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it depends what you are after. Maybe I've just been lucky when I've been there.

I'm looking forward to my next trip in February.

[Noobmonger]

I have been a few times in club blue in street 136 right opposit the bar136.

Its a nice bar and you will see the blue light there.

Many pretty girls there. The barfine is 10$ and I took several girls out there.

I saw this place advertised as a "High Class Lounge". Just wondered what difference, apart from a steep $10 bar fine, this bar has from the regular hostess bars? I don't mind paying a little extra if it's worth it.