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03-16-08 20:10 #1063
Posts: 71Two Separate Issues
Originally Posted by Hummer Bird
Sorry for diversion. Let's get back to the scene in Phnom Penh.
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03-16-08 19:47 #1062
Posts: 71Originally Posted by Bowerboy
Can anyone else out there add to Bowerboy's observations?
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03-16-08 19:23 #1061
Posts: 197US Policy and the pathetic irony...
Originally Posted by DFWdude
The reason this country is so fucked is because nobody is fucking, and everybody is handcuffed for doing it. Finally their was an Age of Consent report done by John Stossle(sp?) on lame O 20/20, and he noted how screwed and skewed the whole system is. So very disturbing to see men and women being punished for natural biological behaviors. Obviously I do not condone or respect any grown men or women for seeking out children for sex, but this Age of Consent really does shine light on the stupidity of labrinth laws to punish all.
I hope the B administration rots in hell for what they have done to the world and the US.
And I encourage all men with clacking balls to get out of the states and start living!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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03-16-08 17:16 #1060
Posts: 234Originally Posted by dfwdude
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03-16-08 17:15 #1059
Posts: 67The anti-hooker crowd strikes again..
Originally Posted by DFWdude
I must agree PP is getting a bit stranger. And I think this is because the anti-prostitution NGO types (let's call a spade a spade. They're not "NGOs" like the conventional types. Who also like to monger on occasion I reckon. They're "moral zealots" opposed to ALL prostitution. That's their 'mission' or 'missionary') and they are using their mobile phones to take pictures of the customers inside the favorite sex venues. I've seen this already actually (at least I was pretty sure that's what was happening). The guy tried to be discreet but I noticed it on one occasion.
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03-16-08 17:13 #1058
Posts: 234Originally Posted by dfwdude
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03-16-08 15:34 #1057
Posts: 525Originally Posted by Bowerboy
Its funny you should mention this, because MSNBC just did a 1hr documentry last night about the sex tourism industry and you PP was just a popular place, and how the women are sold into sexual slavery. They went on as to how long it took the Cambodian government to do anything about it, until Bush signed into law banning US citizens from traveling abroad with the intent to have sex with a prostitute.
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03-16-08 11:42 #1056
Posts: 284The Death of Phnom Penh
Wow, I am in Phnom Penh again and what a difference 2 months makes!! The place (in my humble opinion) has fallen to peices. It is scarcely worth coming here to monger at the moment, it would almost seem as though there is some kind of movement to get rid of the Vietnamese girls...Cyrcee's was good on Friday night and then empty on Saturday night, but apart from that one good night in Cyrcee's the rest has been nothing to get excited about..maybe this is because of the Khmer Rouge trial thing that has been going on, maybe they decided to clean the place up...
Went to street 63 and a few of the places were closed or just waving people away...went into one place in 63 and got a girl upstairs but it was clear from the beginning that she was going to be a complete waste of time...I had already paid the $15 in advance and I was very surprised that when I came back downstairs the Papasan agreed to refund my money in full...I think the stories about trapdoors under the bed are an urban myth personally.
Just my 2 cents worth but personally I feel that Phnom Penh is in its death Knell (I have been here 5 times over the last 15 years) and it has been amazing to see the transformation since I first came here in 1994... or even since January when I was here last!!!
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03-15-08 08:58 #1055
Posts: 1390Originally Posted by Hummer Bird
ps: To go to Angkor Wat and not enter the temples, as suggested below, well, to go into the temples is what the experience is all about. I mean, would you go to Bangkok and only look at the Grand Palace and Wat Po from outside the wall? Or maybe go to Nana Plaza and only stand at the front gate, not go inside? You can save money on beer then, and no risk of having to pay a bar fine. ;-)
* exaggeration... but it's REALLY LONG
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03-14-08 22:46 #1054
Posts: 3281There is no Pass required to enter the temple complex.
If you do not enter the temples physically it is ok. You can see from outside and take pictures etc.
The guy at the entrance will ask you for the Ticket if you try to enter any of the temples.
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03-14-08 21:52 #1053
Posts: 1584Angkor "pass" - 1 day $20; 3 days $40; 7 days $60
Don't get caught without it - the fine is $100 and you have to go back and buy the pass, too
Now being HONEST - Bayon, Elephant Terrace, couple of the other "more famous ruins" and a look at some restoration activity is worth a DAY (8AM to 4PM or so) and frankly, AFTER YOU'VE SEEN ONE BIG FUCKING PILE OF ROCKS YOU'VE SEEN THEM ALL (ruins, that is, the "intact temples" and the ones under restoration are interesting and good photo ops)
Grab a bite to eat at 4 or so and wait somewhere close to Angkor until 5 PM or so then take the hike up the hill to the summit temple ruins directly across from the Angkor causeway. Watch the sundown, take a few more pix (you DID take pix at all those photo sites earlier in the day, right?) then right after sunset GET YOUR ASS DOWN OFF THE HILL! (it's not "dangerous" - might be better if you have a torch and it is NOT pitch black going down the elephant trail to/from the summit (which you can ride the elephant for $15 or so, if you so fancy) BUT THE BUGS ARE OUT FOR BLOOD - YOUR BLOOD (and with dengue in the area, tis better to avoid than be bitten (OK?) OFF! Deep Woods repelled them more or less (100% DEET)
Next day go back out and do Angkor itself. Takes at least 4 hours to scratch the surface (poor pun - don't scratch it, it's marvelous to look at the ancient Hindu temple works) Climb to the top (not for the faint of heart - only ONE handrail, the steps are about 16 inches high and while it's easy enough going UP, going down is where the faint of heart will feel it) Several nooks and crannies with various Buddha images there and a marvelous frieze in relief around the outer pavillion of the Ramamaya tale of Vishnu and triumph over the demonic forces (all 300 meters (900 feet more or less) of it).
Then, unless you are not worn out yet. GO BACK TO PP or Thailand. SR seems to flood easily - an early evening thunderstorm and the streets seem to have up to 10 cm of water (6 inches).
There is entertainment, just not a whole lot unless you speak Khmer (I don't, poot Thai, dai, though) or want to take "pot luck"
Obviously, this doesn't belong in PP posting, but since that's where the question started, I'll leave it here
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03-14-08 17:18 #1052
Posts: 197Berny X
If you have 3-4 days, you will spend one whole day just getting to Siem Reap and or Sihanoukville. Count on 6hrs of bus travel, which at the end does not drop you conviently at a hotel. Thus you will need to Tuk Tuk it from the bus stations, and find a hotel to unload and shower (1hr). Set up arrangements to see Ankor Wat, tour starts at 7-8 in the a.m.. Then get back again. It is either PP or SR as you window of time is too limited.
By the way unless you are a hardcore anthropologist, 1 day is enough of Ankor. As there are really only 4-5 temples that are the bomb, the rest are small and rely on "interesting" stories to desiginate their importance. And the endless Tuk Tuk hum on seemingly never ending roads around SR makes it very tiring to spend three days driving around. You will be spent in more ways that one.
Like Wendella said, the selection of babes in Cambo is not geared toward stunners, nor girls that really maintain themselves in a 1st world kind of way. But it is cheap. SV brothels are the right out of a David Lynch movie freak scene. I would avoid them and go to the bars, and "nicer" hostess places. Sometimes you will find somthing perceived as very pretty (see PP Photo Gallery- Jewel), but often the perception is due to ones long term exposure to uglies.
once again
Cheers.
Hummer.
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03-14-08 10:22 #1051
Posts: 1762Taxi Drivers
On my last trip to PP, I used driver Chhoeun Sovann and he was very reliable, he operates out of the Big Luck hotel and obviously knows his way around town, check out his web site below.
http://phnompenhdriver.com/
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03-14-08 07:43 #1050
Posts: 1390Originally Posted by Berny X
If you're mainly interested in mongering and are happy with sth just a bit diff than Thailand, then by all means go to PP and SV. You might be disappointed (very few super-hotties, sometimes none), or you might dig it. (cheap)
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03-13-08 14:38 #1049
Posts: 1584SR to Pattaya
There are 4 ways to do the trip in the Cambodia part
SR to Poipet (120 miles of either dusty or muddy road and takes about 4 hours or so depending on road conditions)
SR to Battambang (you wind up going down thru Sway to Battambang, then Battambang to Paillin and entering Thailand from there - but watch it - there have been some entry into Thailand scams going on at the border where they want a bus tickey "onward" - go read trip reports from "talesofasia.com" - it's about the best overland travel site out there - and they don't do the sex part so it's NOT a competing site to this one)
SR to PP and then PP to either Poipet (you just went a long ways out of the way to get where you could have gone direct) or Paillin (see above - you REALLY need to know how to do it this way or have someone with you who speaks Khmer or English (there))
SR to PP to Koh Kong (you cut off the route ro S'ville about 100 miles and head west thru the Cardamoms. Scenic trip but it takes about 7 hours from PP with 2 new bridge crossings and 2 ferry crossings - it used to be 4 ferry crossings. Take lots of fluids because except for the ferry crossings they try not to stop. Read the reports on "tales" but you will need to drill down into the reports which are in chronological order. They WERE dropping people right at the border, then 110B minibus ride to Trat, then a bus north to Rayong, then change for a bus to Pattaya.)
Alternately screw it and fly back on AirAsia for $55 or so plus the $25 departure fee - 1 hour. IF you are in PP, the AirAsia office is very close to "International Hotel"
I do the overland in ONE direction because I like the trip...ah, the "adventure" of it all. Besides, I want to see how much progress they are making on the remaining 2 bridges (be there in 10 weeks)