North China - Beijing

[Andreas Wang]

They had a great acrobatics team in town. For inexplicable reasons, they all left ....

How comes? I thought the international jury gave them the highest awards each and every time.

[Zhuren]

http://en.beijing2008.cn/story/story2/0531/

Yes, but what about Mongolian working girls?

They had a great acrobatics team in town. For inexplicable reasons, they all left ....

[Intransit]

http://en.beijing2008.cn/story/story2/0531/

Yes, but what about Mongolian working girls?

[Batman]

I am planning a trip on the 6th of June from Beijing to Guangzhou in my car. If anyone is interested in making the trip and sharing the expenses let me know by P.M.
Planned route is along the ZHUJING expressway, will be passing through Wuhan, Zhengzhou,Changsha and others if time permits. 3-4 days of travel should be enough.

[Sojourner2]

Does anyone have experience with taking a girl from the parking lot of the Great Wall / Landmark?

I am staying at the GWS and after checking the forum walked to HRC next door to confirm it is still closed, the sign says it will reopen at the end of May and at that particular moment LE was standing at the front door.

On the way over and on the way back I was approached by a mamasan in the parking lot who handed me a massage parlor card and said she could send a girl to my room "if you don't like the girl you don't pay". Now that surprises me a little since I have had girls turned down at the hotel before and know it is not girl-friendly. Perhaps they pay a fee to someone to get in?

Can a member with more BJ experience perhaps report on whether that is a rip-off, as it probably is, or if somehow they can really send a girl to your room in spite of security at the bottom of the elevator and security cameras in every hallway, and what to expect then. Price was not discussed as I did not seriously consider.

I have to say I was also approached in this parking lot on every previous visit to the GWS, but at the time there were better mongering options so I never pursued. But no more...

Thanks.

Mahal,

Althought it's been awhile (and certainly pre-crackdown, in fact), I can tell you that although the opportunities are legit, my experiences were that most of the girls were a) fresh from the country b) spoke little or more generally, no English, and c) were sexually inexperienced and/or unresponsive. That type of girl may have an appeal for some, but it's something you'll have to weigh for yourself. I can't speak to how it is post-crackdown, as the one trip I've made to BJ since the crackdown, I did not check out that area.

[Sojourner2]

With 56000 dead, 25000 missing, 300000 injured, and 11 million displaced, 3 days of closed bars and blacked-out HBO shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience to the jaded visitor.

And yes, you didn't miss anything. Arrived 3 months too late.

Zhuren,

I'm not sure what your point is. Last time I checked, this was a mongering website, not a moralistic platform (our hobby has to deal enough with that from the Christian conservative right wing zealots, thank you). Yes, I was moved by the tragedy, and I made a not immodest donation to help the survivors in China (did you? ) but I seriously doubt mongering stopped in China this week anymore than it did in Thailand or Indonesia during the December 2004 (I know, I was in Thailand at the time). In any event, my point was to inform those who were looking to learn about the status of things in Beijing at least from the point of view of the week I was there.

Incidentally, I can't say you are correct in saying I came too late. More accurately, I just picked a week that was less than optimal. As a visitor to Beijing of 20 or 30 trips now (I've actually lost track) I'm well aware of the way things were at the old venues such as Maggies (both old and new location), the Den, Hollywood, HardRock, Pig & Whistle and others. I only wish I could have provided some specific opportunities but my point was that with everything closed, it's hard to tell what was closed due to the crackdown and what was closed due to the period of mourning.

[Andreas Wang]

Saturday night I was walking towards sanlitun. I saw a young white guy on bycicle, talking to a sexy girl in short pants at a traffic light. After a short talk, he took the girl on bycicle for a ride.
I thought about you!!
Dont tell me it was you...

Replace Saturday with Tuesday and Sanlitun with Baiyunqiao and you got it right

[El Frances]

I also like non-english speaking girls. They are usually younger and more natural. Outcomes can be varied: from just letting you fuck them, to sometimes a wet pussy and GFE.
However I got better experience with outcall girls, than with girls from mamasans I met in the street.

[Black Page]

These mamasan use the same approach as "silk market" sellers. They try a high price because sometimes they meet people who don't know and it works. Price for non-english speaking girls should not be higher than 500 RMB. Tip is not compulsory at all, especially if service is so so.
Usually the first girl they show you is not pretty. Don't hesitate to refuse girls untill they bring a pretty one.
I had a few satisfactory experiences this way, but don't expect GFE!

I never succeeded to pay less than 600, but I am a Western foreigner :-(
I prefer non-English speaking girls (it makes me think they are less professional :-))
I wish to be back to Singapore Geylang or to KL Malaysia for stunning, kind, sweet, GFE, cheaper PRC girls!

[El Frances]

Dear all,...
1. MAMASANS

You'll find them in front of any hotel with at least 4 stars as well as in bar areas like Quian Hai.
They chase you and offer you massage, etc. They give you small cards like those already scanned and posted in this forum some days ago, with a cell number.
Unfortunately, since all clubs and bars seems to be closed, this was almost my only option for mongering in BJ.

1.1. WHERE
In front (not the lobby!) of all 4*/5* hotels. I saw several of them in front of Sheraton Great Wall, Kampinsky, Kunlu, Crowne Plaza. I guess you'll find them also in front of your hotel, whatever it is.
Many mamasans also walking around along the Quian Hai and Hou Hai lake bar street.
(there's a wonderful restaurant on that lake, by the way: at your right, when you are at the South extrem of the lake where couples dance till 11pm), in front of lake shore, with red lights.)

1.2. WHAT
They offer you massage and girls, for ST and LT. Girls are offered "young, beautiful" and you'll be asked to have a look (looka! looka! no pay!). Prices in range 600-1000 for ST, for the same girl I guess.
Just negotiate down to 600. You'll not lose anything and you'll have to give a tip to the girl anyway.
They bring you girls by taxi to select.
If you call the number, you'll have the surprise in your hotel room. I dont like that, but I had to accept this modality here, due to lack of other possibilities.
Quality: always LOW! So disappointed. All girls were acceptable, but nothing better than that. Age starting from 22 and well above, even if they claim to offer 18. The price is shared 50%-50% between girl and mamasan.
In KL Malaysia, mamasans offered me stunning PRC girls that I still remember, for a cheaper price.
Why not in BJ?? :-(

1.3. GIRLS ATTITUDE
So so. In most cases no BBJ or even no BJ. But not bad, however.

These mamasan use the same approach as "silk market" sellers. They try a high price because sometimes they meet people who don't know and it works. Price for non-english speaking girls should not be higher than 500 RMB. Tip is not compulsory at all, especially if service is so so.
Usually the first girl they show you is not pretty. Don't hesitate to refuse girls untill they bring a pretty one.
I had a few satisfactory experiences this way, but don't expect GFE!

[Black Page]

Saturday night I was walking towards sanlitun. I saw a young white guy on bycicle, talking to a sexy girl in short pants at a traffic light. After a short talk, he took the girl on bycicle for a ride.
I thought about you!!
Dont tell me it was you...

Not one bit.

BUT:

1) I do speak Chinese - means they figure I am not fresh of the boat and
2) I will simply walk if I do not like the price.

The latter is most important I think. I get silly quotes too (not as outrageous as yours but still) but when they figure I won't go higher than local prices many become much more reasonable.

[Andreas Wang]

3. BBS ... I think Andreas Wang must be Chinese. These are prices for white men!

Not one bit.

BUT:

1) I do speak Chinese - means they figure I am not fresh of the boat and
2) I will simply walk if I do not like the price.

The latter is most important I think. I get silly quotes too (not as outrageous as yours but still) but when they figure I won't go higher than local prices many become much more reasonable.

[Wonderer]

To 2. SW

In the past, I tried some of the SW near the Kempinski / Great Wall Sheraton. They all were nice on the street when approaching you. In the room, they were all rushed, with bad attitude. Wanted money first, then a short fuck, but either too dry or complaining about size, pushing you. All in all, I don't recall any good experience with a SW from there. And some I had are still there.

Not recommendable.

Wonderer

Dear all,
this is a short summary of what I found in BJ.
I read in some previous report that now everything is "underground". Well, anything, but really don't say "UNDERGROUND"!
If you are a white man, you'll be chased wherever you go by mamasans offering you massages and sex.
It was very embarassing for me to walk at night on the lake shore of Quian Hai and Hou Hai, chased by 3-4 girls all yelling at me "want massage? Lady bar? sex??". Everybody seemed to ignore this, like it was normal, but I would have liked more privacy lol. This is not really "underground", not to mention
the many SWs and BBS that we may see around.
Anyway, this is my summary of current mongering options in BJ (better: what I experienced).


1. MAMASANS

You'll find them in front of any hotel with at least 4 stars as well as in bar areas like Quian Hai.
They chase you and offer you massage, etc. They give you small cards like those already scanned and posted in this forum some days ago, with a cell number.
Unfortunately, since all clubs and bars seems to be closed, this was almost my only option for mongering in BJ.

1.1. WHERE
In front (not the lobby!) of all 4*/5* hotels. I saw several of them in front of Sheraton Great Wall, Kampinsky, Kunlu, Crowne Plaza. I guess you'll find them also in front of your hotel, whatever it is.
Many mamasans also walking around along the Quian Hai and Hou Hai lake bar street.
(there's a wonderful restaurant on that lake, by the way: at your right, when you are at the South extrem of the lake where couples dance till 11pm), in front of lake shore, with red lights.)

1.2. WHAT
They offer you massage and girls, for ST and LT. Girls are offered "young, beautiful" and you'll be asked to have a look (looka! looka! no pay!). Prices in range 600-1000 for ST, for the same girl I guess.
Just negotiate down to 600. You'll not lose anything and you'll have to give a tip to the girl anyway.
They bring you girls by taxi to select.
If you call the number, you'll have the surprise in your hotel room. I dont like that, but I had to accept this modality here, due to lack of other possibilities.
Quality: always LOW! So disappointed. All girls were acceptable, but nothing better than that. Age starting from 22 and well above, even if they claim to offer 18. The price is shared 50%-50% between girl and mamasan.
In KL Malaysia, mamasans offered me stunning PRC girls that I still remember, for a cheaper price.
Why not in BJ?? :-(

1.3. GIRLS ATTITUDE
So so. In most cases no BBJ or even no BJ. But not bad, however.


2. SWs

I saw several around Kampinsky, along Dongsanhuan Beilu (close to Lufthansa), even standing on the sidewalk waiting cars to stop. Most of them old, but some not bad. I did not try.


3. BBS

Read great reports of Andreas Wang about them.
You'll find them in many hutong areas. Just walk around and notice BBS where 1-2 girls look at you.
In some cases, they will even call you to offer massage.
I remember the alley SouthWest of Qianmen. From Qianmen, walk along a big avenue that runs SW. To your right, there is a small alley that goes West. A sign says it takes to Liulichang. Along that alley, I saw maybe 10 BBS, with girls of various aspect.
I was called by a very nice and young one, dressed in black (!?). I could not resist: quick massage for 50, than grabbed my dick and offered HJ for 700, BJ for 1000 (??).
I think Andreas Wang must be Chinese. These are prices for white men!
I saw other BBS in the hutong area between Wangfujing and Ritan. I guess it is not a problem to find BBS. Just walk around or take a bycicle as Andreas.


4. LADY BARS

Avoid them!
There are some in the area around Quian Hai and Hou Hai. Girls chasing you try to pull you there.
These are bars like KTV where you spend money only for company with girls around you, who drink and make your bill to raise. Not my kind of place, but I know someone likes that.
One night, I was so bored that I decided to try.
I went to "Ballantine's Bar" close to the bridge between Hou Hai and Xi Hai, pushed there by a girl that was chasing me (looka! looka! lady bar sir? beer 20!!).
I was offered to choose a girl for drinking together. Some was very sexy and nice! Other people sitting around.
I chose to drink with a very young girl that looked misplaced (looking like high school?? here?? in a bar?? Oh gosh! Anyway, she told me 19 and I guess she was at least 18-20 but baby face) .
I sat to drink. Another girl came and stood all time with me and her chatting very annoyingly and silly (she does not speak English sir! you need me to translate! I am the waitress! Are you shy? Why you dont want to talk to me? I can translate your questions to her!), impeding me to attempt communication with the girl I chose. They brought me also unwanted fruit and nuts (I asked the price for each single item, coz I expected some high bill coming)
They offered me the company of the girl for the night. They gave me her phone number to call later at 1am on bar closure.
Finally I was bored, I wanted to leave and I asked the bill.
The bill was 450 plus tips, summing up all numerous items and drinks (nothing compared to what you may pay in USA or Europe, but very expensive here).
They also offered me something more to smoke (did I understand?????????? Or just a communication problem in English??). I left almost running. This place is dangerous guys. Anybody would accept that in China???
PS: I tried to call the number they gave me later, but obviously it was off. This place is a plain rip-off trap for foreigners.
FINAL QUESTION: why the police is now working to close good bars, where nice girls were hanging around offering sweet company and friendship for a fair price, and such a shit hole is left open to trap tourists?

[Black Page]

Dear all,
this is a short summary of what I found in BJ.
I read in some previous report that now everything is "underground". Well, anything, but really don't say "UNDERGROUND"!
If you are a white man, you'll be chased wherever you go by mamasans offering you massages and sex.
It was very embarassing for me to walk at night on the lake shore of Quian Hai and Hou Hai, chased by 3-4 girls all yelling at me "want massage? Lady bar? sex??". Everybody seemed to ignore this, like it was normal, but I would have liked more privacy lol. This is not really "underground", not to mention
the many SWs and BBS that we may see around.
Anyway, this is my summary of current mongering options in BJ (better: what I experienced).


1. MAMASANS

You'll find them in front of any hotel with at least 4 stars as well as in bar areas like Quian Hai.
They chase you and offer you massage, etc. They give you small cards like those already scanned and posted in this forum some days ago, with a cell number.
Unfortunately, since all clubs and bars seems to be closed, this was almost my only option for mongering in BJ.

1.1. WHERE
In front (not the lobby!) of all 4*/5* hotels. I saw several of them in front of Sheraton Great Wall, Kampinsky, Kunlu, Crowne Plaza. I guess you'll find them also in front of your hotel, whatever it is.
Many mamasans also walking around along the Quian Hai and Hou Hai lake bar street.
(there's a wonderful restaurant on that lake, by the way: at your right, when you are at the South extrem of the lake where couples dance till 11pm), in front of lake shore, with red lights.)

1.2. WHAT
They offer you massage and girls, for ST and LT. Girls are offered "young, beautiful" and you'll be asked to have a look (looka! looka! no pay!). Prices in range 600-1000 for ST, for the same girl I guess.
Just negotiate down to 600. You'll not lose anything and you'll have to give a tip to the girl anyway.
They bring you girls by taxi to select.
If you call the number, you'll have the surprise in your hotel room. I dont like that, but I had to accept this modality here, due to lack of other possibilities.
Quality: always LOW! So disappointed. All girls were acceptable, but nothing better than that. Age starting from 22 and well above, even if they claim to offer 18. The price is shared 50%-50% between girl and mamasan.
In KL Malaysia, mamasans offered me stunning PRC girls that I still remember, for a cheaper price.
Why not in BJ?? :-(

1.3. GIRLS ATTITUDE
So so. In most cases no BBJ or even no BJ. But not bad, however.


2. SWs

I saw several around Kampinsky, along Dongsanhuan Beilu (close to Lufthansa), even standing on the sidewalk waiting cars to stop. Most of them old, but some not bad. I did not try.


3. BBS

Read great reports of Andreas Wang about them.
You'll find them in many hutong areas. Just walk around and notice BBS where 1-2 girls look at you.
In some cases, they will even call you to offer massage.
I remember the alley SouthWest of Qianmen. From Qianmen, walk along a big avenue that runs SW. To your right, there is a small alley that goes West. A sign says it takes to Liulichang. Along that alley, I saw maybe 10 BBS, with girls of various aspect.
I was called by a very nice and young one, dressed in black (!?). I could not resist: quick massage for 50, than grabbed my dick and offered HJ for 700, BJ for 1000 (??).
I think Andreas Wang must be Chinese. These are prices for white men!
I saw other BBS in the hutong area between Wangfujing and Ritan. I guess it is not a problem to find BBS. Just walk around or take a bycicle as Andreas.


4. LADY BARS

Avoid them!
There are some in the area around Quian Hai and Hou Hai. Girls chasing you try to pull you there.
These are bars like KTV where you spend money only for company with girls around you, who drink and make your bill to raise. Not my kind of place, but I know someone likes that.
One night, I was so bored that I decided to try.
I went to "Ballantine's Bar" close to the bridge between Hou Hai and Xi Hai, pushed there by a girl that was chasing me (looka! looka! lady bar sir? beer 20!!).
I was offered to choose a girl for drinking together. Some was very sexy and nice! Other people sitting around.
I chose to drink with a very young girl that looked misplaced (looking like high school?? here?? in a bar?? Oh gosh! Anyway, she told me 19 and I guess she was at least 18-20 but baby face) .
I sat to drink. Another girl came and stood all time with me and her chatting very annoyingly and silly (she does not speak English sir! you need me to translate! I am the waitress! Are you shy? Why you dont want to talk to me? I can translate your questions to her!), impeding me to attempt communication with the girl I chose. They brought me also unwanted fruit and nuts (I asked the price for each single item, coz I expected some high bill coming)
They offered me the company of the girl for the night. They gave me her phone number to call later at 1am on bar closure.
Finally I was bored, I wanted to leave and I asked the bill.
The bill was 450 plus tips, summing up all numerous items and drinks (nothing compared to what you may pay in USA or Europe, but very expensive here).
They also offered me something more to smoke (did I understand?????????? Or just a communication problem in English??). I left almost running. This place is dangerous guys. Anybody would accept that in China???
PS: I tried to call the number they gave me later, but obviously it was off. This place is a plain rip-off trap for foreigners.
FINAL QUESTION: why the police is now working to close good bars, where nice girls were hanging around offering sweet company and friendship for a fair price, and such a shit hole is left open to trap tourists?

[Sebastian My]

Here are some general observations regarding Beijing:
5.) Likewise, all the known mongering spots are being targeted and raided constantly. Many have closed. Some hold on. Keeping up with what is open and what is closed is impossible.
7.) Handing out new info is counterproductive. It’s simply an invitation to a raid and arrests. Newbies, and members with low post counts: Don’t be put off if your posts and PMs asking for info remain unanswered.
15.) Keep your visas up to date, keep your passports on you at all times, along with your “Registration Form of Temporary Residence.”

5) I have been casually monitoring police activities at the places citizens of the evil empire normally hang out at - including what I consider was totally legit places, and the raid frequency ranges from 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 days. Times vary, but seem to be mainly late in the evening. I have never seen this type of effort ever - even back in 1998.
7) Totally agree. Who remembers the Baskin robins bench at China World, or even the nice lady's out the front of starbucks at china world. These were cleaned out over 12 months ago - and I still feel it was because of the posts. The situation today is orders of magnitude worst. Be careful when you provide any posts - try not to be too obvious.
15) VERY IMPORTANT. Carry your passports with you.