North China - Beijing

[Soujourn]

Actually, I think it's more accurate to say -- 'Thats China'. Since the staffs of any Hotel or service are very low paid any money that they can receive extra of their salary is welcome. And for that little extra they will accomplish many positive things for the gift giver. Including easing of the bureaucratic restrictions, plenty of extra towels, good food service or even that perfect '3 am massage' . Personally I prefer to be off on the right step with my doorman and concierge from the moment I arrive.

As for posting a list of hotels - hmmmm. YMMV since many things come into play. Th official rules are quite strong on this policy of no guests after 11. So - any relaxing of this policy is based on a case by case basis by the hotel staff. Combined with crackdowns, other visitors, the guest's attitude, KTV competition, etc etc , there will always be some variation.

For example in the Sheraton I've probably had better than 88% positive experience, and where I had any issues, they could be solved rather quickly with the doorman or manager. In the Landmark the situation is a little more difficult. I even had problems with my Chinese GF - but again, they were solved after careful explanation of the circumstance.

By and large, if you are polite, firm and confident then you'll have no problem working out any issues. On the woman side it always helps to make sure she is dressed properly like any other guest on a 'dinner date'. It also doesn't hurt for her to have a small briefcase. Another tip - if you KNOW you are going to have evening guests in your room, AND you are staying in a grand hotel, then you should definitely pre-register for a second occupant. You will avoid many of the hassles.

[Zhuren]

That's not a tip, that's a bribe. And when he stops guests who didn't pay, that's extortion.

True, we must always take the moral high road ....

[Santa]

In China (and not only in China,) you can always try to drop a tip on the guard, a smoother transaction than registering a short-time guest.

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That's not a tip, that's a bribe. And when he stops guests who didn't pay, that's extortion.

[Softy]

I've had inconsistent results with both Landmark and Sheraton. Somewhat slightly better with Sheraton, though. The best was when the particular Maggie's girl carried ME into the hotel since I had lost severely while playing the 'dice game' !! It also depends who is staying at the hotel. For example if there is a foreign delegation that may have sensitive government guests, you'll find it more difficult. If you come to Beijing to play, then I suggest staying in the 3-4star business hotels that cater more to Chinese businessmen. There are many in town, and some are definitely as good as the 5 star ones. The prices are right, too - once I rented the entire top floor wing ( 6 rooms) for less than a single night at Traders!

I have been to Beijing numerous times, but have only been in a position to monger a few times. It appears that the "girl friendliness" of a hotel is a big issue to enjoying oneself on a visit to monger there. Maybe we should start a definitive list of hotels and their "girl friendliness".

My own personal experience is in three hotels.

Hilton: Several mongering experiences and never hassled with a girl, even late at night.

Landmark: One experience and one rejection.

Sheraton: One experience and no problem, but others have indicated many problems bringing girls into the rooms.

So...

Hilton = Girl Friendly

Sheraton = Not Girl Friendly

Landmark = Not Girl Friendly

I would be happy to develop a list, but would need the participation of some of the Beijing regulars (although the quality of the girls will have me coming to Beijing more frequently...LOL).

[Soujourn]

I've had inconsistent results with both Landmark and Sheraton. Somewhat slightly better with Sheraton, though. The best was when the particular Maggie's girl carried ME into the hotel since I had lost severely while playing the 'dice game' !! It also depends who is staying at the hotel. For example if there is a foreign delegation that may have sensitive government guests, you'll find it more difficult. If you come to Beijing to play, then I suggest staying in the 3-4star business hotels that cater more to Chinese businessmen. There are many in town, and some are definitely as good as the 5 star ones. The prices are right, too - once I rented the entire top floor wing ( 6 rooms) for less than a single night at Traders!

[Zhuren]

FYI, rumors that Maggie's will be closed during the Olympics are ... well ... just rumors. Actually, they are unfounded garbage.

To the sounds of "We built this city on rock'n'oll" ISG conducted an exclusive live interview with a representative of Maggie's management.

ISG: "People say, you will close down during the Olympics."

M: "How many drinks have you had already?"

ISG: "Answer the question."

M: "We'll be wide open."

ISG: "Wide open, but all Mongolians will be sent to Ulan Bator?"

M: "Easy on the alcohol. The place will be in full operation. Actually, we will expand the place shortly to allow for more guests."


Well folks, there you have it. Soon, there will be a little drywall work in the back, and the bar will be made a bit longer.

During a spot check tonight, this reporter saw many new and pretty faces, both behind the bar and along the walls. Some real stunners were spotted.

Like all BJ establishments, Maggie's has its up and downs. It's definitely in its 'up' phase now, in all respects of the word.

[Zhuren]

Thanks Bad Boy.

I did see some posts that indicated the Landmark was girl friendly, but did not see yours indicating that it was not, unfortunately. Thanks for the recommendation. I normally stay at the Hilton and have never had a problem. I stayed at the Landmark to try to save a bit, and it, obviously, did not work out. I will try the Kunlun next week.

As a rule of thumb, the more stars a hotel has (and the more money it costs) the higher its gfriendlyness. In China (and not only in China,) you can always try to drop a tip on the guard, a smoother transaction than registering a short-time guest.

The more sophisticated ladies working the Great Wall hotel circuit usually have a change of sedate clothes. That (and a tip if she comes often) usually gets her by the guard. Just don't waltz in with a babe in hot pants and her boobs hanging out. (In more sophisticated markets, the girls also carry a stash of the approriate key cards ... but this practice hasn't made it to China - yet.)

Decent hotels such as the Hyatt or the Hilton won't dare to disturb the well-being of their paid guests. If you stay there often, the concierge or bellman will even see to your well-being .... just keep it smooth and discrete.

Many Chinese hotels have their in-house operations (a "health club" and a KTV on premises) and they try to keep out the competition. Again, a small donation to the guard may change things. If it doesn't, change hotels.

The Landmark and the Sheraton may be special cases. Both are in a district which is often mobbed by very aggressive touts. I hate having business meetings at the Landmark, because sometimes the taxi can't even get through the throngs of touts, and twice I had to physically remove one who came through the taxi door ... The Sheraton, home of the pricey Passion, has own business interests to protect also ...

One more item: In an international hotel, it sometimes helps to request the manager to come to your room immediately. Don't argue with the guard. Politely get the guard's name - write it down in front of him. Then go to your room, don't waltz to the front desk. Call for the manager to come to your room. Sit him down and tell him brazenly that a stupid guard by the name of ..... ruined your evening, and that you lost money, and that you are highly dissatisfied, and that you will change hotels tomorrow. You appreciate the hotel's concern for the security and safety of the guests. But management also must care to the well-being of same. Yadda, yadda. I did that once or twice, and it worked miracles.

PS: Another brazen approach is to inform the front desk that you want "the second breakfast and the video on demand on a separate bill" when you check out. That tells them that you are a professional player who's not to be trifled with. If they don't get it, change hotels.

[Lex Moon]

Before you tell me to RTFF, I was not able to find any info on the Lee Garden Serviced Apartments. Is it a good place to stay? Also (and most importantly), is it GF?

House

Most service apartments are GF. Guards often pretend they didn't see you when you go in with a girl.

I actually managed to catch a 30+ freebie in one of my recent stay. I met her in the elevator and asked her if she liked to have dinner together. After dinner, I invited her to my room for a drink because she was staying in the same apartment. She agreed. To cut the story short, we made out and she was extremely wet & horny. Very nice GFE session. So you can be daring in the service apartment too. Many female locals traveling from other cities often stay in service apartments. BTW, you must speak some broken Potunghua to attract them.

[Softy]

Softy and others - once again you need to do your reserach.

In several posts I have clearly indicated to avoid both Landmark and Sheraton as they will on MOST occasions refuse you entry after 11pm.

I do sympathise with you - I hate this practice and it really does stuff your night.

Next time stay at Kunlun Hotel - just around corner from Landmark - a bit more pricey but contact them directly and ask for CHEAPEST ALL INCLUSIVE price and you should get about RMB1,100 weekends or RMB1,300 weekdays.

Better luck next time mate.

Thanks Bad Boy.

I did see some posts that indicated the Landmark was girl friendly, but did not see yours indicating that it was not, unfortunately. Thanks for the recommendation. I normally stay at the Hilton and have never had a problem. I stayed at the Landmark to try to save a bit, and it, obviously, did not work out. I will try the Kunlun next week.

Postscipt to the story, the girl showed up at 6 am as promised and I am now off to my next destination satisfied.

Thanks again Bad Boy.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Thanks for the info on Aagi & Belgi, I hope to find them when I hit Beijing.

Before you tell me to RTFF, I was not able to find any info on the Lee Garden Serviced Apartments. Is it a good place to stay? Also (and most importantly), is it GF?

House

Mate NFI - I know nothing about it.

But I assume if they are actually 'serviced apertments' you should not have a prob - Sammy or Intransit or another local may know.

[House]

Softy and others - once again you need to do your reserach.

In several posts I have clearly indicated to avoid both Landmark and Sheraton as they will on MOST occasions refuse you entry after 11pm.

I do sympathise with you - I hate this practice and it really does stuff your night.

Next time stay at Kunlun Hotel - just around corner from Landmark - a bit more pricey but contact them directly and ask for CHEAPEST ALL INCLUSIVE price and you should get about RMB1,100 weekends or RMB1,300 weekdays.

Better luck next time mate.

Thanks for the info on Aagi & Belgi, I hope to find them when I hit Beijing.

Before you tell me to RTFF, I was not able to find any info on the Lee Garden Serviced Apartments. Is it a good place to stay? Also (and most importantly), is it GF?

House

[Bad Boy Billy]

Well, I have a negative report from Beijing.

Arrived in the Capitol city this afternoon. Took a cab from the airport to my hotel - The Landmark. It has been previously recommended as a girl friendly hotel.

After showering, getting caught up on some emails, and taking a bit of Viagra (I had just come in from the US and thought I would need the lift), I headed over to the HRC about 10:00.

There was not alot of play there at that time, but there was one gorgeous Eurasian babe with whom I exchanged smiles. I took a seat at the bar and eventually she joined me. She was about 5'9" with perfect breasts and of Russian/Chinese origin. I love Eurasian mixes and thought I hit the jackpot. We hit it off well and agreed on the standard 800 rmb.

About 11:15 we headed out to my room. I always give the girl my room number in advance in case of questions. Well, we were stopped at the elevators to the Landmark by security. They were adamant about not letting her up to the room. I offered to register her (and the scene was mildly embarassing), and it was no go. The kept repeating that no guests were allowed to be registered in the room or allowed in the room after 11 pm. Frankly, I was a bit taken aback as this had not happened to me in China in over 8 years when I actually checked in with someone (a girlfriend), and they would not allow her up to the room.

One of the problems is that I don't think the girl had proper ID on her, but the Landmark staff was pretty adamant that she was not coming to my room.

The end of the story is that we walked out of the hotel, exchanged phone numbers (I gave her 100 rmb for her efforts) and promised to meet at 6 am. Meanwhile, I was really psyched up about this particular p4p (and I rarely get that way about any p4p chick), and now I may just have to search the forum for a nearby onsite locale. Someone had mentioned a bar where they had rooms and I wish I had remembered that for this instance.

Regardless, I would not recommend the Landmark if you have any intention of mongering here in Beijing.

Softy and others - once again you need to do your reserach.

In several posts I have clearly indicated to avoid both Landmark and Sheraton as they will on MOST occasions refuse you entry after 11pm.

I do sympathise with you - I hate this practice and it really does stuff your night.

Next time stay at Kunlun Hotel - just around corner from Landmark - a bit more pricey but contact them directly and ask for CHEAPEST ALL INCLUSIVE price and you should get about RMB1,100 weekends or RMB1,300 weekdays.

Better luck next time mate.

[Softy]

Well, I have a negative report from Beijing.

Arrived in the Capitol city this afternoon. Took a cab from the airport to my hotel - The Landmark. It has been previously recommended as a girl friendly hotel.

After showering, getting caught up on some emails, and taking a bit of Viagra (I had just come in from the US and thought I would need the lift), I headed over to the HRC about 10:00.

There was not alot of play there at that time, but there was one gorgeous Eurasian babe with whom I exchanged smiles. I took a seat at the bar and eventually she joined me. She was about 5'9" with perfect breasts and of Russian/Chinese origin. I love Eurasian mixes and thought I hit the jackpot. We hit it off well and agreed on the standard 800 rmb.

About 11:15 we headed out to my room. I always give the girl my room number in advance in case of questions. Well, we were stopped at the elevators to the Landmark by security. They were adamant about not letting her up to the room. I offered to register her (and the scene was mildly embarassing), and it was no go. The kept repeating that no guests were allowed to be registered in the room or allowed in the room after 11 pm. Frankly, I was a bit taken aback as this had not happened to me in China in over 8 years when I actually checked in with someone (a girlfriend), and they would not allow her up to the room.

One of the problems is that I don't think the girl had proper ID on her, but the Landmark staff was pretty adamant that she was not coming to my room.

The end of the story is that we walked out of the hotel, exchanged phone numbers (I gave her 100 rmb for her efforts) and promised to meet at 6 am. Meanwhile, I was really psyched up about this particular p4p (and I rarely get that way about any p4p chick), and now I may just have to search the forum for a nearby onsite locale. Someone had mentioned a bar where they had rooms and I wish I had remembered that for this instance.

Regardless, I would not recommend the Landmark if you have any intention of mongering here in Beijing.

[Beijing Fox]

Thank you for your comment, but what are you trying to indicate with the remark 'something besides more pussy'? Are you possibly suggesting to have a boy instead? Please clarify.

The Fox at your service

I agree and disagree with Albert Punter. Fox, you have a wife and a girlfriend, and you need more? Maybe you need something besides more pussy.

BBB's methodology is sound, give it a shot.

[Zhuren]

OK OK - now you have clarified things a bit.

The best advice I could give you is go to Maggies early in the week - Sun, Mon, Tue or Wed night - take out something that takes your fancy.

Pay her the 'normal' fee first time - RMB800.

Treat her VERY VERY well - like she really is SPECIAL - if she provides what you want - then negotiate again for future visits to yours and her mutual satisfaction.

If the first night is no good - go and repeat over and over until you get what you want.

I have 4 or 5 'regulars' who visit me daytime / evening in hotel at 'reasonable' rates - always first class service and we are BOTH happy.

It aint that complicated - do a bit of leg work and it will happen for you.

This is very good all-around advice. Treat the girls like humans and with a bit of respect, and you will usually be treated the same way.