North China - Beijing

[FreebieFan]

FF,

Have you ever entered these places? I've also walked past the places to eat at DTF or the Japanese restaurants towards the east of the street, and the ladies manning the front of the shops aren't eye candy. These are very small shops so I can't imagine many rooms in the back or ladies in a holding room.

No I haven't tried. Fortunately I have a good well supplied stock of freebieyoungthings, and never have the need to have some overaged mamma do the dirty on me.

Had plenty of that in my former life, LOL.

[Kajos]

A good friend of mine submitted this to ISG a few weeks ago but the report was never approved and never got posted. So I'm helping him to post it now.

Cindy from Blueberry http://escortbeijing186.blog.com/ came over tonight. Kind of thick and bovine but young. The price we agreed up before she came over and the hundreds of extra renminbi she requested at the end were completely different. I was not happy about this since the pricing changed even though the completed and agreed upon services had not changed. With Cindy in front of me I called Amy the manager and she said the price is decided by the girl. I decided to not waste any more time, so I paid the fees to Cindy and an extra RMB 100 for taxi she required before leaving.

Then I called Amy back 15510599256 and made two suggestions.

The first suggestion was that she have her girls confirm all prices with the customer upon arrival and before starting services. She replied over and over that it's not her business and all pricing is out of her control, and that actually I was getting a good deal since foreigners are usually far overcharged by her girls. I told her I paid the fees and that I'm only making a suggestion on how to better manage the girls by having them confirm the pricing first and stick to the same price before and after the session. Amy kept saying it's not her business and none of the pricing items are related to her.

The second suggestion was that Cindy should go to a doctor because at the end of the session I noticed several very large genital warts on Cindy's snatch and that it was disgusting. Amy replied that this is not her business and that this is between me and Cindy. I said, really? You're not interested in the health and cleanliness of the girls you provide? Then what's the purpose of being the manager or the mami or whatever you are? To provide overpriced services with no responsibility of the customer experience or safety? I said Cindy's only 19 and I'm only providing you with this information so you can help take her to get it treated or otherwise deal properly with this.

Amy again said it wasn't her problem so I said fine, I'll write this up "on the website" if you really don't care to do anything with the information I've shared with you. When she heard that she went into a full panic and said, no no no don't do that. Completely insincerely said "My fault, my fault, it's all my fault". This kind of BS just makes me so sick: overcharge foreigners, provide subpar service, have no concept or customer service or even the ability to simply say "thanks for letting me know, we'll improve. " Totally insincere and insulting.

Amy said her normal foreigner full service price STARTS at 1500 and people are happy to pay it. Better quality full service is available for 400 from local providers with hotter girls, or foreigners full service prices at 600 to 700 from Lily, Angel, etc. I don't know why you guys are paying over 1500 for truly average girls which are obviously neither clean nor customer service oriented.

Amy / Blueberry's massage plus hand job is 500 to 900. There is much better incall and outcall massage and HJ for 1/3 to 1/4 of Amy / Blueberry's prices. I only tried Blueberry from the glowing reviews on ISG. I will be sure to stay the F away from Blueberry in the future.

I have been in the Beijing scene for many years and all conversations with Amy were in Chinese.

[Kajos]

Hi BadBot,

Thanks for the report. Do you remember her name? Was that for 1. 5 hour massage?

2nd time I was in BJ I found an independent masseuse that does hotel service off of an Singaporean forum. I had just hiked the great wall that day so I was super tired and wanted to relax. She came straight to my room. It was pretty cold that day so she was all bundled up, after she came in and took off all the layers I could tell she had a pretty good figure. Now this is one of these things where I think the massage is probably the main course, I don't really go out and get massages much but she was probably one of the best massages I've had so far. She took her time and massaged every part of my body and I was thoroughly relaxed. Afterwards she finished me off with a very sensual HJ. I don't know if I'm allowed to post wechat contact info here but I would highly recommend her to these looking to relax with a little something extra. She charged me 800 for full body massage with he, a little high but totally worth it IMO.

[Kaywhy]

I walk down the road a few times each week. Info is recent and up to date. Same road as Din Tai Fung restaurant. Theres a few small massage shops there.

FF,

Have you ever entered these places? I've also walked past the places to eat at DTF or the Japanese restaurants towards the east of the street, and the ladies manning the front of the shops aren't eye candy. These are very small shops so I can't imagine many rooms in the back or ladies in a holding room.

[BadBot]

Hi,

New here but have been lurking for a while, thanks for all the info! I've been to Beijing twice this year. First time near end of October and 2nd time in mid December. First time I tried an overnight girl from Kitty and results were pretty satisfactory, she came straight up to my room, firm 19 year old southern Chinese girl, petite and cute. First go she was a little bit shy and only did BBBJ for a short time before the main course, we finished and slept, and we woke up pretty early and did it again before she had to go, she was much warmer and sensual so I was pretty happy. I also tried Sophies Place, they didn't have that many girls that night but the girl I ended up with was pretty decent looking and performed a pretty good massage. I speak a little bit of mandarin so I made small talk with her, she finished me off with a CBJ and handjob, needless to say I had a pretty good relaxing time.

2nd time I was in BJ I found an independent masseuse that does hotel service off of an Singaporean forum. I had just hiked the great wall that day so I was super tired and wanted to relax. She came straight to my room. It was pretty cold that day so she was all bundled up, after she came in and took off all the layers I could tell she had a pretty good figure. Now this is one of these things where I think the massage is probably the main course, I don't really go out and get massages much but she was probably one of the best massages I've had so far. She took her time and massaged every part of my body and I was thoroughly relaxed. Afterwards she finished me off with a very sensual HJ. I don't know if I'm allowed to post wechat contact info here but I would highly recommend her to these looking to relax with a little something extra. She charged me 800 for full body massage with he, a little high but totally worth it IMO.

[Midwestern]

I went to a place last summer where VIP meant he. I went back a few days ago and paid for VIP again, but got a scrub, oils, facial, but no he. Was the first time I paid 500 kuai for a massage without a he!

Midwestern,

That used to be my favourite MO too, however I found that recently this has become more often miss than hit compared to the past, especially in Beijing. Now it often is just using expensive massage oils or spa treatments so you may want confirm before you pay a lot for blue balls.

Just my humble pov.

Merry Christmas to all here.

Fa[QUOTED=Midwestern;1659955]Maybe a lot of you guys already know this, so this is a tip for newbies and for those who can't read Mandarin. At many MPs, even places that seem legit, there is sometimes a "VIP package" option on the menu (usually priced at around 598 RMB). If you're in an adventurous mood, go for it. I've chosen it a bunch of times and have had everything from silk stocking he to CBJ. Albeit, so far no FS. And yes, I realize that 598 is a lot to pay for non-FS, but I can pay 300 to get FS at BBSs and so for me variety is the spice to life. My best. And happy holidays.

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[RandyDandy]

On two corners north of Ritan market there is big KTV on north east corner. Right behind it is Jiang Tai massage. Great place for HJ. 288. Lots of selection. About a dozen, hot around 20 ish. Great for quick excursions. North of that and a right turn and straight 50 100 meters there are 2 real barbershops with one not on corner. Has 3 hot girls in them. HJ 168, FS w / o BJ 300, w BJ 400. Hope all brothers enjoy before holidays.

Girls are needing money for CNY so lots of newbies coming out and office girls, students, great GFE.

Just a suggestion, but if we all start adding our fav spots to http://wikimapia.org/, we can forgo the constant, where? Where? Where? Postings.

You don't need to sign up or log in, just zoom in and select "edit map", then "add" a place, draw a box, put a quick name and discrete description!

This would save your bro's countless time and we can use it for, ahem, better pursuits!

Randy.

[Sky Ryder]

A week or so ago I had a day in Beijing. I wasn't staying, so wanted to find an incall situation. I had connected with Sophie using we chat a while back, but never used her services.

First, let me say that her classified ad is as honest as it can be. She is upfront about what her service is and is not. The directions for the taxi driver we simple and I found the place with little effort.

I met Sophie, and was impressed. She is an attractive, intelligent lady and runs a nice business. It was the holidays and early in the work day as well, so she only had two girls on duty. She told one me one was busy, the other girl was pretty new. Sophie was honest and told me that Nina's (new girls name) massage was nothing to write home about, but her "service" was very good. She was correct. Nina is not a classical beauty, but she is cute and had a wonderful set of boobs, all natural, and nicely formed. There is an innocence about her, but she also had a bit of a gleam in her eye that indicates she knows what she is good at doing.

What she is good at is oral skills. As she gains experience she will figure out that if she works on the massage part, the oral part will be a lot less work for her. I benefitted from an extended and persistent oral session.

Full service is not part of the program, but if you are okay with this limitation I would HIGHLY recommend giving Sophie's ladies a test drive. All the necessary information is in Sophie's ad in the classified section.

I can hardly wait for my next visit.

Sky.

[OldAsiaHand]

Oah,

My kudos and farewell. I feel lucky knowing you! Keep the memories of the good times with you, wherever your way leads you and if you ever come back you will always have friends here!

Times change but there is still fish in the sea. Different fish, more difficult to find and more expensive to catch. But this forum is more a reflection that many cannot adapt or are wise enough to not talk too much openly. Which is key to any success in this country. Shut up and enjoy. Makes such a forum a challenge, I know. But we always have always will find a way to enjoy our life here.

At least I do.

Hope our paths will cross again old friend.

Happy New Year to all of us.

FA.

FA,

Thanks for the kind words. I am still traveling back and forth so I am sure we will meet again. I was just in Guangdong last month but not so often to Beijing any more. I also remember the good times I had with you and our good mate from Down Under even though he is always on my case for something.

IMHO, Guangdong, mostly Dongguan, got hit the hardest with the crackdown. They let the situation there get way out of control in the past. This has caused a spillover effect for all of the province. Most BBS and Saunas are shut down or only operating for regular customers through the back door. In the day, there were BBS and saunas on every corner and KTVs had 500+ girls to choose from.

That said, I was in Shanghai last month and, although there has been a shift in locations to outside of downtown, there are still ample BBS available and, saunas and the laowai bars are still operating. And, there were girls available from mamasans just outside my hotel. I will not mention the specifics here but can be contacted by PM for details. I don't know much about KTV in Shanghai.

It has been awhile since I have mongered in Beijing. I've only been there a couple times in the past few years and have been doing a freebie I met online. This deal may be coming to an end since she is approaching 30 and asked me to marry her last time we met. Nothing lasts forever.

Just my POV.

OAH.

[Mojo888]

Oah,

My kudos and farewell. I feel lucky knowing you! Keep the memories of the good times with you, wherever your way leads you and if you ever come back you will always have friends here!

Times change but there is still fish in the sea. Different fish, more difficult to find and more expensive to catch. But this forum is more a reflection that many cannot adapt or are wise enough to not talk too much openly. Which is key to any success in this country. Shut up and enjoy. Makes such a forum a challenge, I know. But we always have always will find a way to enjoy our life here.

At least I do.

Hope our paths will cross again old friend.

Happy New Year to all of us.

FA.

As a long-term resident in Beijing, I strongly agree with Fernando Alfonso's analysis: ".

Times change but there is still fish in the sea. Different fish, more difficult to find and more expensive to catch. But this forum is more a reflection that many cannot adapt or are wise enough to not talk too much openly.

Times change but there is still fish in the sea. Different fish, more difficult to find and more expensive to catch. But this forum is more a reflection that many cannot adapt or are wise enough to not talk too much openly. " in fact, compared to places like the USA, Beijing is still a monger's dreamland. I mean Maggi's is still here, right? A national treasure, though not cheap. And much of the activity you had in saunas is still here, but it has changed form: there are many places set up like Lemontree and Blueberry -- in apartments--that offer FS. These are found via QQ mainly, so not as expat friendly. But not cheap! Also QQ itself also has many low cost options: sort of like upscale quickies in nice apartments with 10 girls available. Rmb400 to 500 for a pop. Again, only for Chinese-speaking expats. And of course they cater more to locals. As many have mentioned here, aside from freebies, a moderate-cost option is massage shops like in Wangjing where you develop a relationship with girls and do takeout at low cost (rmb100 for 4 hours) hotels or at your home. This is not hard to arrange and cost is around rmb 600 for the better ones. So the "furniture has been rearranged" in the monger's scene, but there the talent is still there. Thing have gone underground and it is harder for expats to navigate that scene. You just need to do more work. For visitors, options like outcall with Kitty, Angel, Lily, etc is an easy and not too costly option.

[Kaywhy]

Oah,

My kudos and farewell. I feel lucky knowing you! Keep the memories of the good times with you, wherever your way leads you and if you ever come back you will always have friends here!

Times change but there is still fish in the sea. Different fish, more difficult to find and more expensive to catch. But this forum is more a reflection that many cannot adapt or are wise enough to not talk too much openly. Which is key to any success in this country. Shut up and enjoy. Makes such a forum a challenge, I know. But we always have always will find a way to enjoy our life here.

At least I do.

Hope our paths will cross again old friend.

Happy New Year to all of us.

FA.

Agree with both of you. Better to have the forums to get an idea of who is in the know and just PM. Not worth risking giving out too much info and inconveniencing the establishment as right now there are actual serious concerns of a constant crackdown. A mamasan at our favorite 6th floor building told me the police said to stay closed the rest of the year since before Christmas. This is the new reality.

[FernandoAlonso]

I was having dinner in S. CA this past weekend with a guy that grew up in Guangdong is now living in Vancouver. We were reminiscing aboutmongering in China before the crackdown in February. He said his local mates are saying in two years it may come back. I don't believe it.

IMHO, we will never see China again like it was in the day. I reckon there is just not much valuable information to share nowadays. All the China threads on this forum have diminished to a skeleton of what they once were. Members are just trying to post to fill the space out of frustration.

I have packed it in after almost 20 years staying in China. Without the mongering, there is nothing worth staying for. You can't even breathe in Beijing! It isn't even cheap to make things there anymore.

Where is the next frontier?

Just my POV.

OAH.

Oah,

My kudos and farewell. I feel lucky knowing you! Keep the memories of the good times with you, wherever your way leads you and if you ever come back you will always have friends here!

Times change but there is still fish in the sea. Different fish, more difficult to find and more expensive to catch. But this forum is more a reflection that many cannot adapt or are wise enough to not talk too much openly. Which is key to any success in this country. Shut up and enjoy. Makes such a forum a challenge, I know. But we always have always will find a way to enjoy our life here.

At least I do.

Hope our paths will cross again old friend.

Happy New Year to all of us.

FA.

[OldAsiaHand]

I was having dinner in S. CA this past weekend with a guy that grew up in Guangdong is now living in Vancouver. We were reminiscing aboutmongering in China before the crackdown in February. He said his local mates are saying in two years it may come back. I don't believe it.

IMHO, we will never see China again like it was in the day. I reckon there is just not much valuable information to share nowadays. All the China threads on this forum have diminished to a skeleton of what they once were. Members are just trying to post to fill the space out of frustration.

I have packed it in after almost 20 years staying in China. Without the mongering, there is nothing worth staying for. You can't even breathe in Beijing! It isn't even cheap to make things there anymore.

Where is the next frontier?

Just my POV.

OAH.

My my my. Hasn't the Beijing thread transformed over the years.

A few people here will still remember when it was jam packed with valuable information contributed by knowledgeable, sharing board members.

It contained info re the cheapest of cheap BBS from guys who rode around on the bikes finding the cheapest of cheap dodgy BBS. And yet gems still available. This information was willingly supplied for the ISG brothers to share.

It contained info re the best of the best of non Chinese providors from places like Maggies, Hollywood etc provided by many guys who all willingly supplied quality intel for the ISG brothers to share.

It contained info on SW pick up places like outside Kunlun / the walk from Sheraton Great Wall to Lufthansa Ctr. All willingly provided by many guys who all willingly supplied quality intel for the ISG brothers to share.

It contained info re best places to secure freelance Chinese girls from such locations as Hard Rock Caf to The Pig provided by many guys who all willingly supplied quality intel for the ISG brothers to share.

Just look at it today. Info today virtually confined to second rate Chinese providors sourced from Chinese phone pimps set amongst a never ending environment involving arguments and denigration. Just what is wrong with some of you guys?

We should ALL be here for the one common cause. To provide and share info re procurement and consumption of pussy - nothing else matters. Want to argue? Want to denigrate others? Want to enter into a pissing contest? Go do it elsewhere. This is not the place for it!

[Haokool]

Actually; back in the days, we were once a bunch of stupid guys sharing FYI in the sole purpose to speeding up our shopping & opening our horizon. Years came to pass, the world market opened furiously and QC type of guys started to invade China. Travelling all over the RPC on a corporate budget they jacked up prices and even started to TIP from skinny shrimps to fat.

Some of us got so fucking pissed-off after those assholes that they got banned from ISG, lost paid accounts (twice myself).

My my my. Hasn't the Beijing thread transformed over the years.

A few people here will still remember when it was jam packed with valuable information contributed by knowledgeable, sharing board members.

It contained info re the cheapest of cheap BBS from guys who rode around on the bikes finding the cheapest of cheap dodgy BBS. And yet gems still available. This information was willingly supplied for the ISG brothers to share.

It contained info re the best of the best of non Chinese providors from places like Maggies, Hollywood etc provided by many guys who all willingly supplied quality intel for the ISG brothers to share.

It contained info on SW pick up places like outside Kunlun / the walk from Sheraton Great Wall to Lufthansa Ctr...

[Ragnarok42]

Last night I encountered 3 girls milling about in the lobby of the Grand Hyatt in Oriental Plaza looking for a root to bone. In the mall itself, I was hit on by one group of 2 girls, and 1 quite attractive single woman, dressed to kill. I started having a deja vu; it suddenly seemed like 2004 again. Almost popped into a taxi to go to Maggies, but then I remembered that it isn't 2004, it's 2014.

That does bring back memories, once way back in '02 I was hit on by no less than seven groups of girls within a15 min walk along the wangfujing pedestrian street. Though I never took them up on any of their offers, I always wondered how they scammed you.