North China - Beijing

[Maxmaxmax]

I am a long time watcher but rare poster. I have a general question I'd like to put out there first, and then some notes about Beijing.

Question: Do people know of BBS's where takeout is an option? I've been sampling a variety of BBS-type little massage joints around the city (I speak Chinese) and have been generally impressed by the looks of the girls---some really cute young girls in lots of these shops. The thing is, HJ is all that seems to be offered, even with coaxing, offers of more money, etc. These girls don't seem willing (or allowed) to do more. Takeout (or "takeaway" for UK English speakers) also does not seem to be an option, and yet I have heard of spots where it is. The going rate at these places (the ubiquitous pink-lit little barbershop-esque stores) seems to be 100-150 for a massage and HJ. Most won't even allow you to remove your clothes or offer oil massage, although some do. The girls will let you grope in varying degrees, sometimes will lift up their shirts. Anyway---just looking for more discussion, info about these types of spots. There are old posts but I think many are out of date in this fast-changing market.

Notes: A couple of brief notes that answer some questions posted in here and may give others some helpful info.

Six Club: Total disappointment. This place (in Jian Wai SOHO) does not seem to offer anything more than straight up massage (unless I missed something huge). I went around the new year's holidays and ended up paying more than 600 for what I thought must be an oil massage plus. And ended up being an oil massage where I wasn't even allowed to remove my shorts----? Very weird.

A Sauna: Ok, this seems to be a standard place for cab drivers to take you to if you ask for a bathhouse really late at night. I am sorry to say that I am always drunk/exhausted when I end up there and I truly can't remember the name. All I know is that the middle character in the 3 character name is "long" (dragon). Anyway, this place is highly variable but generally crappy. In one visit, the girl looked good, but would not stop trying to convince me to pay 1500 for FS (which she said she wasn't allowed to do there but would with me because she liked me. Yeah, right). It got to be really obnoxious, then on top of it all she tried to add in an additional 300 for a tip which hadn't been mentioned at all to begin with. I refused to pay this, we ended up at the desk with me asking to see a manager and no managers would come out. I finally paid the originally agreed upon price and left. The next time I went there the girl was not as good looking but much more chill. Ended up sticking with a full oil massage and an HJ for a few hundred.

Another Sauna: I've got to start writing down the names of these places. This one is on Guang Qu Lu. Just head east from the third ring and you'll get there in just a few minutes. It's huge and on the right. This place has some very cute girls and the regular sauna routine. Straight, quick FS with no BJ or extras is 488, throw in some body to body oil rubbing and a CBJ (or BBBJ if you can convince her) and pay 688, add in a tongue bath (which may or may not be delivered) and pay 888. Some nice kissing from one girl here. One came to my apartment another day for a mere 300, another wanted some crazy amount and wouldn't bargain.

I'll try to add in the names of these places when I get them. Finally, anyone have info on Chongqing Fan Dian (Chongqing Hotel) or Da Du Hui (another sauna)---these also seem to be in the repertoire of places taxi drivers know.

Be safe. Be nice. Good luck.

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[SidTheSexist]

I think you Lao wai will be in trouble next yr 2008 olympic so learn some mandarin.fast eddie 48

Its unbelievable how much trouble we're/they're going to be in! And even more unbelievable how much they (chinese) dont seem to care.
Sid (suffering post thailand blues)

[Maxmaxmax]

I am a long time watcher but rare poster. I have a general question I'd like to put out there first, and then some notes about Beijing.

Question: Do people know of BBS's where takeout is an option? I've been sampling a variety of BBS-type little massage joints around the city (I speak Chinese) and have been generally impressed by the looks of the girls---some really cute young girls in lots of these shops. The thing is, HJ is all that seems to be offered, even with coaxing, offers of more money, etc. These girls don't seem willing (or allowed) to do more. Takeout (or "takeaway" for UK English speakers) also does not seem to be an option, and yet I have heard of spots where it is. The going rate at these places (the ubiquitous pink-lit little barbershop-esque stores) seems to be 100-150 for a massage and HJ. Most won't even allow you to remove your clothes or offer oil massage, although some do. The girls will let you grope in varying degrees, sometimes will lift up their shirts. Anyway---just looking for more discussion, info about these types of spots. There are old posts but I think many are out of date in this fast-changing market.

Notes:
A couple of brief notes that answer some questions posted in here and may give others some helpful info.

Six Club: Total disappointment. This place (in Jian Wai SOHO) does not seem to offer anything more than straight up massage (unless I missed something huge). I went around the new year's holidays and ended up paying more than 600 for what I thought must be an oil massage plus...and ended up being an oil massage where I wasn't even allowed to remove my shorts----? Very weird.

A Sauna: Ok, this seems to be a standard place for cab drivers to take you to if you ask for a bathhouse really late at night. I am sorry to say that I am always drunk/exhausted when I end up there and I truly can't remember the name. All I know is that the middle character in the 3 character name is "long" (dragon). Anyway, this place is highly variable but generally crappy. In one visit, the girl looked good, but would not stop trying to convince me to pay 1500 for FS (which she said she wasn't allowed to do there but would with me because she liked me. Yeah, right). It got to be really obnoxious, then on top of it all she tried to add in an additional 300 for a tip which hadn't been mentioned at all to begin with. I refused to pay this, we ended up at the desk with me asking to see a manager and no managers would come out. I finally paid the originally agreed upon price and left. The next time I went there the girl was not as good looking but much more chill. Ended up sticking with a full oil massage and an HJ for a few hundred.

Another Sauna: I've got to start writing down the names of these places. This one is on Guang Qu Lu. Just head east from the third ring and you'll get there in just a few minutes. It's huge and on the right. This place has some very cute girls and the regular sauna routine. Straight, quick FS with no BJ or extras is 488, throw in some body to body oil rubbing and a CBJ (or BBBJ if you can convince her) and pay 688, add in a tongue bath (which may or may not be delivered) and pay 888. Some nice kissing from one girl here. One came to my apartment another day for a mere 300, another wanted some crazy amount and wouldn't bargain.

I'll try to add in the names of these places when I get them. Finally, anyone have info on Chongqing Fan Dian (Chongqing Hotel) or Da Du Hui (another sauna)---these also seem to be in the repertoire of places taxi drivers know.

Be safe. Be nice. Good luck.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi Fast Eddie

My last post was written in sarcasm. I read a post about being frustrated that chinese people speak chinese, and taxi drivers not understanding english, and it makes me roll me eyes

to lao ma



You are lucky if taxi driver in Bejing even know where to go , most taxi driver in big city are new from small town outside of the area and don't know most of the street , I have been on a taxi in Shanghai or Shenzhen I know the city better than they do and I speak good mandarin and fluent cantonese , I think you Lao wai will be in trouble next yr 2008 olympic so learn some mandarin.


fast eddie 48

[Rain5836]

Excuse me for putting my head into this, if I am not wrong, English is one of the compulsory language in Japan, Korea and China hugh school.

All of them learnt the language understand basic English however a lot chose not to practice or use it. Before they knows it, they lost it!

Enjoy,

AG

Elementary school students are learning English now in Korea.

[Guinness]

I went to Korea back in 1998 for the first time.

Damned if those people there only spoke korean ! No one spoke english !

I was surprised. It was difficult to get around

I've always tried to learn a few phrases of the local tongue prior to my arrival or during my stay in a foreign country. I've often found that if they think you know some of the language, they'll be less likely to steal from you.

Better luck next time.

Guinness

[Member #3421]

I have checked into a hotel before with just a copy, but in addition to your photo page and visa page you need to be sure and also copy the page that has your entry "stamp" on it.
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When is your expected arival in Beijing?

That extra page of photocopying may save me several hours of trouble. Thank you!

I arrive in late July, but it will probably be into August before I'll be able to shake free and get down to the business of fun. But I'll be there for over a month (barring unforseen circumstances). Plan of attack: learn the lay of the land even before I can start to partake. Visit and scope out the well-documented destinations, the hotels I've already booked for weekends away from work, and collect business cards and snap pictures. Confidence and comfort is everything in this game.

NBG

[SidTheSexist]

Guys, Come on! Lao Ma was joking. http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...play.php?f=249

[Sammy_T]

Don't read further without reading Sammy_T's Beginners Guide to Beijing. I posted this advice before, and will do so again until someone manages to top Sammy's work. Yeah, right!

Thanks! I am here to help! I like your clift's notes version of the forum. It certainly highlights the gems that are worth re-reading for both information and enjoyment!

A question: I would think that it's wise to leave the passport/visa locked in the hotel safe, and carry photocopies around town? A variant on this question: I may have a business location, but then take off and check into another hotel now and then for fun (business location is not discreet). Is the original passport/visa a requirement for hotel check-in, or is any photoid (US drivers license) good enough? Or copies of passport/visa? I don't remember reading this anywhere.NBG

I think it is a good idea to carry a copy of your passport rather than the real thing. I have checked into a hotel before with just a copy, but in addition to your photo page and visa page you need to be sure and also copy the page that has your entry "stamp" on it. The hotel needs to know the date of your arrival in China for their paperwork. I have actually checked into hotels without any documentation, but that is always a big hassle. I guess you could always give the money to the girl for the room and have her register it in her name.

When is your expected arival in Beijing?

[Allover]

Seoul is becoming an English friendly city, especially when compared with Beijing. Its very easy to get around town as the modern subway system has signs in English. And younger people know a little bit of English, too.

The biggest problem with the English language in Seoul is that none of the hotter girls in the Red Light Districts will do white men.

P.S. In no way do I mean to criticize a country where English is not widely spoken. I don't fly to the other side of the world looking for McDonald's and English speakers.

[Ace Gallant]

From my experience, 'basic' is being complimentary

Most companies I deal with have at least one junior exec, fresh out of school usually who does nothing else but translate for the senior guys

Excuse me for putting my head into this, if I am not wrong, English is one of the compulsory language in Japan, Korea and China hugh school.

All of them learnt the language understand basic English however a lot chose not to practice or use it. Before they knows it, they lost it!

Enjoy.
AG

[Member #3421]

Thanks, London, for the clarification. I took "IT" out of context, my bad. I'm already trying to figure out whether my cell phone is "unlocked" and will be receptive to a SIM card immediately upon arrival. And it has a camera, so I'll start snapping pictures and collecting business cards as quickly as possible. Good tips.

----- Installment #2 of Newbeijingguy's cliffnotes. -----

Anything I post in my cliffnotes is intended to guide conversation and give attention to what (in my humble opinion) were particularly deserving or interesting posts for one reason or another. I apologize for errors or omissions. Don't read further without reading Sammy_T's Beginners Guide to Beijing. I posted this advice before, and will do so again until someone manages to top Sammy's work. Yeah, right!

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=571272

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- Topic #2. Safety, scams, etc...

In a nutshell: don't get lured into bars for high-priced drinks and chat with girls. Don't follow men (particularly, but I suppose the same caution should be taken in general) to someplace (e.g. a dark basement) where there will be lots of beautiful girls. Duh. Back when I was young-20s, I got nailed on this in London, and counted myself lucky to get away with all my ID and credit cards, only 50 pounds lighter in the wallet. Can happen anywhere, not just Beijing.

Post #1. Maybe a scam, maybe not, but a possibility for us all to be aware of. See the Maggies reference, too.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=25743

Post #2. Funinchina.com: stay away unless you need a tour guide or translator? This is an old 2002 post, and the site seems to be a collection of links now, rather than anything real. However, it might be interesting to get together a little collection of web sites that people have had luck with (or not).

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=30415

Posts #3-5. Dealing with police? This could be an interesting topic to discuss, as a "just in case...". I wonder how many guys have had real problems with police? The second post brings up the possibly getting stopped travelling at night with a Chinese girl? And, of course, the hotel access topic, which seems to be discussed about every week in this forum. Best to search on the hotel name if you have questions.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=30930
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=64265
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=69342

Post #6. Word of advice: when someone offers to take you someplace, avoid it (2002 post by Dick Johnson). I think he was lucky to get away as he did!

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=41986

Post #7. Health cautions (not specific to China, though perhaps some places CBJ is the default, BBBJ unusual, and I gather this isn't true in China). Note the credit due to Intransit in the post re: safety and different types of girls and their willingness.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=438974

Posts #8-10. Art student scam. The first post because it's such a great post (lots of other things discussed) by Hello2003 with a nice little warning about the student scam. The second (and related posts immediately adjacent) about this scam. The third, by Sebastian My, is a little goldmine with nuggests of wisdom. It quotes a Badboy27 post that also talks about "English Practice" scams. This hits home with me because I've recently tried making a few connections over the internet with girls supposedly interested in language exchange, or tour guide work, etc... and I realize I need to be really careful. Sort of partway between a freebie and a WG. I've gotten the feeling that 3/4 of them are fishing, and 1/4 seem pretty sincere. I worry about this latter 1/4 because the last thing I need is a clingy GF. I may just give it up. Impossible to know how much time I'm wasting or which might be a real risk, even if one or two might pay off.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=544040
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=535968
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=506869

Post #11. To end on a positive note, Kalibugan did nail an art student freebie. So it isn't all gloom and doom.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=402554

A question: I would think that it's wise to leave the passport/visa locked in the hotel safe, and carry photocopies around town? A variant on this question: I may have a business location, but then take off and check into another hotel now and then for fun (business location is not discreet). Is the original passport/visa a requirement for hotel check-in, or is any photoid (US drivers license) good enough? Or copies of passport/visa? I don't remember reading this anywhere.

NBG

[Lao Ma]

Hi Fast Eddie

My last post was written in sarcasm. I read a post about being frustrated that chinese people speak chinese, and taxi drivers not understanding english, and it makes me roll me eyes

[Traveler1234]

That said, almost everybody under the age 35 can speak basic English.

From my experience, 'basic' is being complimentary

Most companies I deal with have at least one junior exec, fresh out of school usually who does nothing else but translate for the senior guys

[Moody]

English is a difficult language for Koreans to master, don't know why, just know it's hard for them to learn how to speak. Taxi understand hotels but not much else; and while English better than in Beijing, don't expect to get around easily without having a lot of hand written notes re where to go, etc.

From reading the board, i think Seoul prices for BBS are also higher...no personal experience for comparison??

English is difficult for them because grammatical patterns and phonics are very different than Korean. That said, almost everybody under the age 35 can speak basic English. One reason Korea it's easier than most other Asian countries is that things don't change their name in Korea. For instance, in China, they call Starbucks by the Chinese name, Xing ba, in Korea, they call it Starbucks. The same goes for everything else. A Red Bull is a Red Bull and not Hong Niu.