East China - Shanghai

[Daldm]

Nice report Daldm.

Can you give some advice about how to find these QQ groups that organize KTV parties? Better yet, are there wechat groups?

If anyone reading this lives in Shanghai and would like to go to KTV in Shanghai or Suzhou, send me a PM, and we can organize something together. If you are just passing thru Shanghai, don't bother. To hard to find a common date.

PB.

You can find them using the qq group search function, but a lot of group don't accept new members with a very new qq account for various reasons, like: full, scammers, guys who want to enter to just send advertising, LE, etc.

But you need at least some Chinese skill to communicate with the organizer.

[Steve 9696]

Thank you Whiskey for that great report. It's those long detailed reads that make ISG sing. And really good insights as well. I suppose it's true that M and J both have the same goal but a different vibe. You know I never noticed till now that I've never sat down in Manhattan! It is definitely packed and you are for sure the "most interesting man in the world" for a moment. But I could see how a Judy's could appeal in a very different way. Great news is we have both!

[Playboy2000]

Nice report Daldm.

Can you give some advice about how to find these QQ groups that organize KTV parties? Better yet, are there wechat groups?

If anyone reading this lives in Shanghai and would like to go to KTV in Shanghai or Suzhou, send me a PM, and we can organize something together. If you are just passing thru Shanghai, don't bother. To hard to find a common date.

PB.

Hello,

I'm new to this forum, but it's a lot that I'm lurking here, and it was very useful in organizing my trips.

So basically the weather will be very windy until mid November, for the international expo that will take place from 5th to 10th of November. In the Chinese forum (I'm an oversea born Chinese that can speak and read Chinese), they say that some saunas are already closing up before the real crackdown, for 3 months, and the one that are still open don't have a lot of business because the people are afraid of going, for now until the end of the expo it's better to avoid saunas, MP and barbershops, the safest options should be the pick up bars (never went to one in shanghai before but looking at the forum reports, they should be fine), but seems that the girls available aren't that many, or ktvs, but they tend to be a bit pricey, around 4 k, if you go with the qq groups (they are qq chat groups that arrange KTV parties), and that includes the KTV room, drinks and the girl that will stay with you overnight, you can just take the girl too without participating to the KTV party but you need to be a regular or have someone to guarantee for you.

Better to change to nearby cities like Suzhou or Nanjing (I know, not very near, but it's only a little more than 1 hour with the high speed train).

[Red Hawk]

Hi all,

Hope you are all well.

Will be in Shanghai 10th Sept for a few days doing the furniture fair.

Usually I'm at M and J getting drunk and waking up to a beauty or a dog depending on how good or bad the beer Goggles serve me. LOL.

This time around I will be traveling with my business partner who is a goodie two shoes and I can't explain to him my hobbie. This is a shame. So I don't think I will able to sneak away.

I will have to order room service. I may hook up with a Nightlife lady, however if any of you have a great contact and are happy to share then please PM me, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Red.

[SamCan]

Although I am a bourbon man, I enjoyed your report whiskey.

Not bad for a noob, haha.

Well Done!

Sam Can.

[Jogem]

Hello,

I'm new to this forum, but it's a lot that I'm lurking here, and it was very useful in organizing my trips.

So basically the weather will be very windy until mid November, for the international expo that will take place from 5th to 10th of November. In the Chinese forum (I'm an oversea born Chinese that can speak and read Chinese), they say that some saunas are already closing up before the real crackdown, for 3 months, and the one that are still open don't have a lot of business because the people are afraid of going, for now until the end of the expo it's better to avoid saunas, MP and barbershops, the safest options should be the pick up bars (never went to one in shanghai before but looking at the forum reports, they should be fine), but seems that the girls available aren't that many, or ktvs, but they tend to be a bit pricey, around 4 k, if you go with the qq groups (they are qq chat groups that arrange KTV parties), and that includes the KTV room, drinks and the girl that will stay with you overnight, you can just take the girl too without participating to the KTV party but you need to be a regular or have someone to guarantee for you.

Better to change to nearby cities like Suzhou or Nanjing (I know, not very near, but it's only a little more than 1 hour with the high speed train).

Thanks for the info. Do you know if there is any speculation on wether things will get back to normal once the expo is over?

I have enjoyed my visits to MPs in the past and I am extremely sad to see that the places I have visited last year are all closed now.

[Whiskey7]

Thanks to those who answered my earlier questions. As promised, here's my trip report.

Although I was in China for a week, most nights I was going to be out in the sticks for work and knew I wouldn't have any opportunities those days. I was only going to be in Shanghai on Tuesday and Saturday nights. Tuesday I was still with work colleagues, so my only real opportunity was going to be Saturday. I'd already decided I wouldn't be trying Spas / MPs or KTVs. I felt J and M were the safest / best options, with an outside chance of a hotel bar providing some opportunity.

As luck would have it, I freed up around 10 pm on Tuesday evening. I was staying in a hotel over by the Bund and thought I'd try the hotel bar. I was the only one there. I had a couple of beers and I was still the only one there. Even though I'd just flown in from western Europe earlier that day I was feeling no jetlag. So I decided it'd be a good idea to head over to J and M and do some recon ahead of my Saturday night excursion. In the end, I was glad I did.

My hotel on the Bund was 15 minute drive from J and M. It is here I ran into my first challenge. Given what people had said about taxi drivers fleecing anyone going to or from J and M, I decided to have the taxi driver take me to the Portman Rizt Carlton. That didn't seem to help though. The first two cabs that stopped said they wanted 100 RMB. I declined both. The third also insisted on 100 RMB. I knew this was too much, but I figured it was just $15, and at that point I just wanted to get over to J and M. So I agreed to the 100 RMB. The guy actually ran his meter and it was at 25 RMB when we got to the Portman. I paid the quadruple fare and started walking towards J and M. Well, at least I thought I was heading in the right direction. I'd read deep into this forum and thought I had the correct addresses. But I didn't. I won't bore you with the details, but FYI, M is on Nanyang Rd and J is on Tongren Rd right at the junction of Nanyang and Tongren.

I walked around for 20 minutes before I found M. And it was hot and humid. There was a couple of very nice looking African ladies standing out on the street a few yards down from the entrance to M, but given what I've read on this forum, and past experiences in Germany, I decided I'd be steering well clear of them, which is a pity, because they were both really hot. Anyway, I was in Asia and I wanted to hang with Asian ladies.

I've had A LOT of bar experience in my lifetime, but nothing could have prepared me for M. It was 11:15 pm on a Tuesday evening and it was very busy, with a ratio of 70:30 in my favour. It should have been a fantastic experience, but for a few reasons it wasn't. Firstly, there was nowhere to sit and no room to stand at the bar. Couple that with ladies constantly coming up to me, I just wasn't able to get comfortable. Knowing me, I just could not have talked to a girl and then decided to move on, it's just not in my nature. I'd have felt obliged if I'd spent even a minute with her. I really wanted to find a spot to stand and observe before making my own move, but that wasn't going to be possible in M. I managed to get over to the bar and order a drink, and got fleeced again. The barman took my 100 RMB for a (shit) Corona and disappeared, obviously determined not to give me any change. I could have kicked up a stink and insisted on it, but it just seemed like too much hassle. There was a guy at the bar who was observing my every move, and I think he did a good job suppressing his smirk as he enjoyed this rank amateur flail about the place.

80% of the girls were a 6 or less, though most of them I'd have had no problem shagging. But none were standing out for me. I don't get this kind of opportunity very often and I really wanted to make the most of it. There were a few 7's and maybe one 8. I ended up chugging my beer and getting out of there. I walked past the two African ladies who playfully attempted to get my attention and I went into The Blind Pig to lick my wounds. I drank a beer at the bar and decided I'd finish up my recon and check out J before heading back to my hotel. By the time I'd finished my beer at the Blind Pig however, I was four beers deep and decided if I found someone I liked at J then all bets were off, this recon mission would turn into some real action.

J was a whole different experience. Much roomier and less crowded. I walked the length of the bar and the girls smiled and seemed much prettier and far less aggressive. There was one in particular who really caught my eye but I just kept walking until I found a seat at the end of the bar. I ordered a drink (barman charged me 45 RMB and gave me change) and managed to get a few sips in and scope out the place before anyone approached me. And the one who approached me was the one who caught my eye when I walked down the bar initially. At this point I'd managed to scope out the entire place and she was definitely the one I was most interested in. I bought her a beer and we chatted for a while and I really liked her. She was a late 20's Vietnamese girl with a beautiful face and a drop-dead gorgeous slim body. A solid 8 in anyone's book, and something about her really clicked with me.

She knew I was a J rookie and she helped me through the whole process, playfully giggling at my mistakes. We left the bar and took a cab back to my hotel. At this point I knew it was going to be 100 RMB cab ride and just agreed to the first cab driver who came along and insisted on that price.

I was definitely apprehensive about the hotel. When I'd left there were multiple porters and guests in the lobby, and although we wouldn't need to walk past reception, we definitely could be seen from reception. As luck would have it, there were no porters around when I got back (around 12:15 am) and I never even glanced over at reception, just headed for the elevators. We weren't challenged by anyone and headed up to the room. One thing I really appreciated about her though, and probably most girls do this, after leaving J she threw on a light coverall / jacket over her very revealing dress, and changed into a pair of flat shoes. So she was way less conspicuous that she might have been when we entered the hotel.

I won't go into details here, but I had a fantastic time and she was just a fun, comfortable person to be around. We connectedd on WeChat and I told her I'd be back in Shanghai on Saturday evening and would like to see her again.

As I was traveling back to Shanghai on Saturday I was thinking I'd really like to see her again, but I was also thinking I'd like to experience the hunt in J again now that I had some experience. I decided that if she contacted me I'd arrange to see her, otherwise I'd just go down to J and check the place out again. As luck would have it, she messaged me around noon on Saturday and we arranged to meet in the lobby of my hotel that evening.

I was waiting for her out the front of my hotel (Paramount Gallery) at 9:30 pm when she cycled up on a bcycle, looking fantastic in blue jeans and a tight-fitting top. OMG, she was absolutely beautiful. We went out and had some food and drinks and a great chat. Then back to my hotel room for one of the most memorable nights of my life.

A few points to note.

I felt myself falling head over heels like I hadn't done since I was a teenager. I did however catch myself and decided I needed to nip it in the bud. I decided not to allow myself down that path. I took SamCan's advice and decided that such relationships cannot be pursued. Yes, it's highly unlikely that she looked at me as anything other than an ATM machine. But I'll just remember it as a beautiful time with a truly beautiful and fun lady. And yeah, if for nothing else, I think she was happy to spend the time with me that evening rather than run the gauntlet down at J's, not knowing what the night would hold in store for her.

As far as the hotel goes, Paramount Gallery has a reception on the 12th floor of a 21 story building. When you return at night you just take the elevator from the 1st floor to whatever floor you are staying on. So you don't need to go past reception. You do need to go by security on the 1st floor, but I think it's very unlikely these guys would challenge you. I've seen some people mention that they split up entering the hotel. For both of my hotels I decided to just enter with the girl as that felt more comfortable to me. I remember someone else mentioning that it'd be unlikely that they'd challenge a paying guest with a Vietnamese woman who could easily be his wife. That seemed to make more sense to me.

One other point to note. Although The Blind Pig is a good warm-up place, as others have mentioned, another interesting place to hit in that neighborhood is a bar / restaurant at the junction of Yuyuan Rd and Tongren Rd, just down from J's. I think it is called 'The Spot. ' It's a hopping place and seems to be a hangout for a lot of the Vietnamese girls either before they head over to J's or if they decide to take a break from J's during the night. I think you could easily score here, a much more relaxed environment, if you wanted to avoid the mayhem of J and M.

I'd like to say a special thanks to SamCan, who's advice on this forum I believe allowed me to really maximize my enjoyment. Outside of taxi costs I've deliberately not mentioned any other costs, for my own personal reasons. But I've nothing to add in that regard that SamCan hasn't already mentioned. His advice there is spot on.

I thoroughly recommend the Paramount Gallery. It's a really nice hotel for about 700 RMB / night. Way better than the hotel over at the Bund for the same price. My friend also mentioned that Swissotel was one of her favourite hotels in that neighborhood.

[Keric333]

Thank you much for your reply!

How about payment for Judy & M girls, usually before they leave (after actions) or right after getting into the hotel room before the actions (payment first)?

Thank you again.

Here you are repeatedly asking these questions. Some, which have been answered already. Please stop with the questions. Here are some answers to your questions so hopefully you can move on.

Since you love going BB but won't do the deed unless you see a STD report, forget Judy's or Manhattans.

Since you're even asking about prices of beer, forget Judy's or Manhattan.

Since you seem fixated on asking about paying beforehand or after, since each girl is different, forget J and M.

My advice, stick to girls you get from the mamasans.

[All For Bb]

Girl will need to show passport at front desk and fill out a form (or have passport copied. Don't remember). But not a problem. Midnight not a problem either.

Thank you much for your reply!

How about payment for Judy & M girls, usually before they leave (after actions) or right after getting into the hotel room before the actions (payment first)?

Thank you again.

[PlaceKicker]

I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?

Stumbled upon an area seemingly intact still, randomly finding 5-6 BBS without looking for them so there could be more. Northwest from Jinshajiang / and Zhongshan (Jinshajiang station with lines 3/4/13), there's a cluster running from and Zhonghshan. Xingshan Rd. S Meiling. There also happen to be no small number of small massage shops which may or may not be in on it, but it should be hard to miss all the unmarked pink-lit storefronts.

[SnrMan]

We need to pay the girl at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? Not after the actions (KTV style is after actions)?

I will try to be there on Friday (maybe Saturday too if feel good). How much is a beer? Just curious.

Thanks much, and may see you on Saturday (don't know how to use PM).

Will write a report if I indeed go.

Beer is 40 or 50 RMB. Some girls ask for money up front, others after. It varies. If first time with the girl, more likely she'll ask up front. Seldom had them ask upfront for a repeat.

[SnrMan]

This hotel (baolong, a two star hotel) is cheap and convenient (just across from M). If I book a room there, do you think I would have problem to bring a girl in midnight? Thanks for the comments!

Girl will need to show passport at front desk and fill out a form (or have passport copied. Don't remember). But not a problem. Midnight not a problem either.

[All For Bb]

This hotel (baolong, a two star hotel) is cheap and convenient (just across from M). If I book a room there, do you think I would have problem to bring a girl in midnight? Thanks for the comments!

Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont. Only place I've seen ask girls for passport is the Baolong, across street from M. And that was only a formality.

On the general concern about prices and "windiness" driving costs. I've heard disturbing reports recently from multiple girls working the J and M scene that security at M is shaking them down for serious money (rmb 6000/ mo) for guaranteed entry. Otherwise, they get turned away regularly and seemingly randomly. I haven't heard of similar situation at J, but girls are finding it harder to get in and it isn't unusual now to see a girl tossed out for some minor infraction. After many years of splitting my time between the two, I've gravitated toward J. The vibe at M post the 2017 shutdown feels decidedly less casual and too edgy for my taste. Have heard girls refer to "mafia" there, and seems like more unsavory characters hanging around outside. You always had the touts and black cab drivers, but I now avoid the place after 1 AM and definitely wouldn't be there if I was planning on serious drinking.

[All For Bb]

We need to pay the girl at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? Not after the actions (KTV style is after actions)?

I will try to be there on Friday (maybe Saturday too if feel good). How much is a beer? Just curious.

Thanks much, and may see you on Saturday (don't know how to use PM).

Will write a report if I indeed go.

I too will be in Judy's next weekend. Anyone wanting to buy SAMCAN a beer Saturday night, send me a PM. Otherwise, don't bother haha.

1. girls at judy's and Manhattans run from 20-40. I am guessing the average is 23-30 but its a guess.

2. I have never done KTV but your pricing is right for J / Ms.

3. The number of chinese customers at J / Ms has increased, The girls preference are guys with money not race.

[John The Lover]

In front of Crowne Plaza Hotel, next to the dealership. 1822.

Could you be a bit more specific about the location? It sounds like a fairly standard MP service for China, so I don't think naming them will get them in any LE trouble. Also, lineups are not the done thing in MPs, but you are free to request a different girl if the one they assign you is not to your liking, and doing this more than once is also OK. Lineups are a Sauna thing (but not many of those left these days).