East China - Shanghai

[SamCan]

I noticed that the very well lit 'in your face' places on Jintai Road. Were all closed tonight. The massage clip joints on Yinshan Road. Appeared to be open. Perhaps business is possible if you keep a low profile.

Any other reports? I will be in SH next week. Post or PM me. Let me know what you know.

Stay safe out there.

Sam Can

[Mike921]

In the light of Dongguan crackdown, what is the scene in SH? Are the saunas like Scarosa, Hong Song, filled upto capacity with girls or shut down? Is it dangerous to venture at these places these days?

I noticed that the very well lit 'in your face' places on Jintai Road. Were all closed tonight. The massage clip joints on Yinshan Road. Appeared to be open. Perhaps business is possible if you keep a low profile.

[Dewdrops]

According to the newest news, the LE in Shanghai will take large-scale action to clamp down on prostitution. Time will be 18:00-2:00 this Monday to Saturday. Hope this can arouse everyone's attention. No matter if this news is true, I think everyone need to be careful when mongering these days.

In the light of Dongguan crackdown, what is the scene in SH? Are the saunas like Scarosa, Hong Song, filled upto capacity with girls or shut down? Is it dangerous to venture at these places these days?

[Viajando Musico]

As far as recruiting girls for his site and raising their price. I think that's fine. He certainly is doing the girls a favor. He has no obligation to keep prices low for us.

I respect your point of view.

[StinkyFeet]

As far as recruiting girls for his site and raising their price. I think that's fine. He certainly is doing the girls a favor. He has no obligation to keep prices low for us. If Patiko's price is too high, the monger should go elsewhere.

I learned quickly that in asia, if a girl advertises herself online, the price is usually doubled from the local area. Perhaps I have the home advantage of finding p4p hot pussy at a decent price. In fact, I only look at online escort advertisements for comic relief.

[Canyon]

As I said, I don't know how much Patiko charged before when she worked in Manhattan. If what she charged was in line with other Latinas hotties I met, do you think SHG, by recruiting the girls to his website is looking after other members' interest including yours and mine, or that of his own?[/QUOTE]Viajando,

I have a somewhat different point of view than you do. I don't think it's anyone's responsibility on this board to keep prices low. In fact, I don't think that's possible, since we're a small subset of mongers in Shanghai. I don't think anyone on the board has a responsibility to look out for the interest of others. It's every man for himself. I do, however, think this board has a very useful function, because it supplies us with knowledge. In this regard, I think SHG is doing a good job of providing us with information. I don't object to his having a commercial interest, since it's clear what he does. It's not hidden. As long as the host of the ISG has no problem with SHG, I think he should be free to have commercial messages that don't go over the line.

As far as recruiting girls for his site and raising their price. I think that's fine. He certainly is doing the girls a favor. He has no obligation to keep prices low for us. If Patiko's price is too high, the monger should go elsewhere.

[Viajando Musico]

Viajando,

That's how the market works. The girls have an interest in making as much money as possible, so it doesn't seem right to criticize them for asking for a higher price. You would do the same thing if the roles were reversed. If you don't want to pay that price, just move on and find someone else. If the girls ask a price that is too high, then no one will purchase their services and they will have to lower their price. If they get enough customers at the higher price, good for them, but you don't have to go with them.

The same thing applies to you. I don't know where you work or what you do, but if someone agreed to pay you 50% more for the same work you're doing now, I think you would change jobs right away.

Being a businessman by trade for close to 25 years, I think I understand a little of how the market works. But I think you missed my point. I have no problem with the girl charging higher prices and gets them. I will even pay for it if that is what I want. What I am saying is, I am doubtful about the intension and activities of SHG on this forum. As other posters pointed out, He should promote his website on the classified section instead of the general info section. We, including SHG, you and me, all benefit from info that other members shared on this forum either through open or private messages without cost to us. Most of the other members in return, share their info without any financial interest. That is the spirit of this wonderful free forum.

As I said, I don't know how much Patiko charged before when she worked in Manhattan. If what she charged was in line with other Latinas hotties I met, do you think SHG, by recruiting the girls to his website is looking after other members' interest including yours and mine, or that of his own?

[Ikksman]

First of all: no, we don`t sell any drugs, only running a usefull webpage for nightlife. [SNIP]

I still think that most of your posts should read:

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[Canyon]

A lot of the info on SHG's website were also posted and discussed by forum members in the past. I agree that his website has the value of providing his paid or non-paid viewers a quick glance of what's out there. But unless there is absolutely no financial interest between him and the girls, I doubt that recruiting WG to his website actually benefit other members. Here is why,

In Late 2012, I met a couple Colombian girls at Manhattan who provided me great sessions with GFE, and the final negotiated rewards for them were around 1200 Yuan for short term, and 2000 Yuan for toda la noche if I wanted. Both girls were physically superior than their friends in the Latina group. I believe those who are less attractive would go for less. I never met Patiko at Manhattan while I was there, so don't know how much she charged when at Manhattan. But she is asking 1500 Yuan for one hour. And 2400 Yuan for two hours on SHG's website. Those Latinas in Kama in Guangzhou charge $100 for ST, and $300 toda la noche even a couple 9's. You do the math, but I hope he doesn't go to Kama to recruit those Colombianas there. LOL.

Viajando,

That's how the market works. The girls have an interest in making as much money as possible, so it doesn't seem right to criticize them for asking for a higher price. You would do the same thing if the roles were reversed. If you don't want to pay that price, just move on and find someone else. If the girls ask a price that is too high, then no one will purchase their services and they will have to lower their price. If they get enough customers at the higher price, good for them, but you don't have to go with them.

The same thing applies to you. I don't know where you work or what you do, but if someone agreed to pay you 50% more for the same work you're doing now, I think you would change jobs right away.

[Viajando Musico]

So let me get this right:

1. You trawl ISG for info on freelancers from bars that ISG members post.

2. You then entice the girls to become a member of your stable by advetising on your commercial site.

3. You then come back into ISG and actively promote your site that contains said girls you have poached Out of the bars.

Am I the only person here thinking this process may not quite be inline with the underlying spirit of ISG?

A lot of the info on SHG's website were also posted and discussed by forum members in the past. I agree that his website has the value of providing his paid or non-paid viewers a quick glance of what's out there. But unless there is absolutely no financial interest between him and the girls, I doubt that recruiting WG to his website actually benefit other members. Here is why,

In Late 2012, I met a couple Colombian girls at Manhattan who provided me great sessions with GFE, and the final negotiated rewards for them were around 1200 Yuan for short term, and 2000 Yuan for toda la noche if I wanted. Both girls were physically superior than their friends in the Latina group. I believe those who are less attractive would go for less. I never met Patiko at Manhattan while I was there, so don't know how much she charged when at Manhattan. But she is asking 1500 Yuan for one hour. And 2400 Yuan for two hours on SHG's website. Those Latinas in Kama in Guangzhou charge $100 for ST, and $300 toda la noche even a couple 9's. You do the math, but I hope he doesn't go to Kama to recruit those Colombianas there. LOL.

[Lao Ma]

Shanghai Guide, no need to get so upset. I enjoyed my time with Patiko and would gladly see her again. Your relationship with the "independent" girls, who aren't really "independent" is your own business.

I have no issues whatsoever with the website itself, but do agree that you should be posting in the classified sections. I guess you can wordsmith however you want, no worries.

I'll say you and the "independent" girls have an arrangement and an agreement; if that qualifies as saying they don't work for you in your mind, fair enough. So you are not a pimp.

My question about the fake viagra and whatnot was legitimate, and not meant as a slam. There used to be a guy who did tours for western punters in Shanghai, and I thought that that guy also sold generic dick pills.

"We don't sell any drugs" is a clever reply, but I wasn't implying you, or that other guy that isn't you, evidently, are selling molly or oxycontins.

Anyway, nice site. Your Beijing version is not at that level. Sorry if my words caused you distress. Peace.

[Canyon]

I was surprised by the criticism of Shanghai Guide. I have always found his posts useful. I have also gone to his web page, which I also found useful, though I'm not a paying member. For the guys who don't like his posts, just don't read them. Go on about your business. There is no need to start a flaming war.

[Lost In Shanghai]

After being closed well past spring festival. 1808 Beijing Lu is again operating. Staff seems new. 258 buys a happy ending at best, from a nervous girl. While I was there, some guys came in, and left quickly. I think they were disappointed with the options (or lack of) , and quickly left. Girls are wearing tights and white blouses, which suggests the service level.

[Shanghai Guide]

I am pretty sure that all of the so-called "independent" escorts on that web site all work for Shanghai Guide. When I called Patiko's mobile, the girl who answered and pretended to be Patiko most definitely did not sound like a latin american. And it's also interesting how all of these independents have gmail email accounts. Not sure any of this is reason get that awful upset, but I agree with the general theme of this thread.

There is the whole truth, and then everything else.

Is Shanghai Guide the same cat who used to shill generic ED drugs on ISG all the time?

First of all: no, we don`t sell any drugs, only running a usefull webpage for nightlife.

Second: no girl work for Shanghai Guide. Our business is to give usefull informations for paid members. Same like here on ISG, paid members support the forum and can use additional service (like the privat messages or see the pictures in the threat). On our page members can get some additional informations like sauna adress cards or some details we don`t want or can not publish in public.

Third: Indpendent for us means, that a girl is real and work with a trustfull profile. That means, if I call a 25 years old girl with 47 kg and long hair, I want her to show up, and not a 58 kg 35 years old ugly lady with short hair (that`s the normal business in Shanghai). So we try to find girls, who are willing to use their real profile and real pictures and make sure, what you "order" is what will be "delivered" later.

If a girl agree to that, I don`t care if she pick up the phone for herself or not, as long as Patiko will show up, when I call Patiko to my room. For her I know very well that she is totally independent, but I also know she don`t pick up her phone for herself. First she told me she don`t like to be disturbed all the time by phone when she is with customers or with friends, who don`t know what she is doing for living, second she can not speak any Chinese, so hard to handle with locations, taxi driver and so on. So she pay some money to a Chinese girl who work for her like a "assistant" and handle all that calls for her and she can concentrate to meet customer and no need to handle any adresses or scedules.

Some girls do similar because of less english skills. You can check the profiles and you will see some Chinese girls on our page can speak very less english, so they will pay someone who handle e-mails or phonecalls, because without or with less english skills on our english page they would have only a little chance to get customers, (even the guys will not care about their language skills while sex, there is some communication necessary to prepare the session). But I think when a escort girl pay someone for help her to handle her contacts, she is still independent, so I don`t think it is a problem to put them in the independent category. But that`s only my view, could be other people will think different.

Our rules for our independent escort area are:

- Real girls with real profiles.

- The girl from the profile is the girl that will show up later.

- Best profile is with real pictures which we can check and confirm.

- Real "final-rates" and no upselling while the session is running.

- Only offer service, that the girl is able and willing to serve later.

If a girl follow all that rules, why we should not list her on our page? Because she don`t pick up her phone calls for herself? I don`t think that would be helpfull to anyone, not the girls and not the customers.

We are not a agency, that means no girl work for us, but we are also not a directory where every even faked profile can be posted.

How the profiles come to our page: The girls apply on our page, we clear the rules with them (than 90% never contact us again) , from the 10 percent we think they are real and honest, after very short time on our page we find out, some are also only "promoter" for agencies who want to "hide" in the independent escort area. Most time, we can see that in the comments very soon, than they will get a "yellow card", if it happens again, than the "red card" will be shown and they have to "leave the game".

Also if one of our guides or friends meet a real girl, some will try to help us and get her to our nightlife page. Because we know as more reliable girls on our page, as more visitors will come and like our page, so as more guys will support our page with a membership. The independend escort girls on our page can make good money, much more than on the typical directory page, because we have less girls profiles and our profiles are much more trustfull, so more guys will date them. So all are happy, we have satisfied customers, the girl has enough customers and no "cheating trouble" and the guys can find reliable girls more easy.

So from my view it is a win-win-win situation for girls, customers and us, so I am not really sure, why there is a reason to complain for anyone?

From my view, what we do is a good service for all the guys who are tired from the faked agency profiles or dissapointed from too many faked profiles on the directory pages, but it`s up to anyone to decide, if it is helpfull for him or not.

[SamCan]

I don't know the guys at SH guide personally.

1. They run a website that they request money for for their details.

2. They have given much of the information here to us for free (address cards etc.)

3. Some of their posts have been to summarize the scene in SH and save you going back 50 pages to learn it all.

4. Even with Patiko, they provided a service by verifying that her pics are real. I don't know about you guys but when I go to Shanghai, I don't have a lot of time there and appreciate the service.

5. I actually saw Patiko at Manhattans before they posted her. She is ok but there is a plenty of Asian girls left and that is what I am looking for in Shanghai anyway.

6. I have PM'd them a question or two from this site. And they helpfully responded, tho I am not a member on their site.

Be offended by Shanghai guide if, you want, I will thank them for a lot of free help! More help than a number of other mongers give in their posts!