East China - Shanghai

[SnrMan]

Went back and got a different older provider. Again, very good HJ. These old providers may have been giving HJs for over 20 years now, so they really know what to do. This lady did something with my asshole with her finger and I came hard and suddenly, without warning. Probably the most I came in years. She didn't ask for a tip. So HJs are included in the 258 lingham relief massage.

Was looking through old posts and found this reference to a MP near where I normally stay in Shanghai. Have checked it out twice in the past month.

First visit on a Sunday afternoon the day before the national holiday. Location is down an alley, but not difficult to find. About half block south on Tai'an Lu on Huashan. Asked for a 60 minute massage and gentleman behind counter suggested RMB 258. Took a flyer on it.

Masseuse was attractive and petite, mid- to late- thirties (No. 6). She gave a decent massage and could tell from amount of attention she paid to massaging my butt that extras would be available. On flip, she offered he for a tip. I offered 200 and she accepted. Very good skills, with roaming allowed. She opened her top and unhooked her bra, and she didn't have a problem with roaming below (although with her uniform still on). I didn't try to go further.

A shower was available afterwards. I asked for her wechat info, but she didn't seem to understand (think she thought I was asking about using wechat to pay). Anyway, figured I'the be back and try to get her info then.

Returned this morning; just before 11 and they were just opening. Greeted by an auntie; looked at menu and selected 60 min oil massage for 198. She did the massage, and I (correctly) assumed it would be veggie. This was OK, as she gave a very good, strong massage that I needed after being in airplanes for 30 hrs in the past 5 days.

At payment, the lady behind the desk suggested I try the 258 massage next time I come by. Picked up a card so I could message ahead of next visit, but only has a landline. No mobile or wechat. I may try to call next time and test my very limited Chinese.

Overall good experience and looks like the 258 option is the way to go.

[Tyb60]

Anyone I'm worried about China needs to be a arare of the following.

On entry get fingerprinted and photographed. Not why anyone is uncomfortable, happens in every country.

Upon check in to hotel get passport scanned, locals get photo ID and tracked. Foreigners must register with local police if not checked-in by hotel. Seems like Europe where they take your passport, what's the problem they need to know who is where.

Walking around get photographed and tracked if you at a person of interest out of the billions there and tens of millions of visitors.

Use WiFi or phone or social media, everything monitored and possibly censored real time.

Simple rules, don't break the prevailing law and or transgress an area of law enforcement focus. When things change need to be aware and adjust before enforcement starts. It's orettu clear what not to do and when and you monitor the climate.

Stay safe!

[Steve 9696]

Would somebody please go have some sex and report back? Preferably a juicy Manhattan visit. I can only take immigration woes so long.

[JesseJames]

Average Chinese not even aware there is a trade dispute going on. And if aware, they don't seem to care that much.

They've been getting away with screwing USA with trade as much as they could. You can't blame them. No one said stop. Until President Trump. He's tough and is standing up to another tough cookie, president for life, Xi. They'll be a deal made, more in US favor. With Xi preoccupied maybe things will loosen up on social scene.

[JesseJames]

In September I stayed in hotels in Shanghai, Guillin and Qingdao. My wife is a Chinese National and she was photographed when we checked into our hotel in Qingdao. I wasn't photographed there. Neither of us was photographed in Guillin. I was in Shanghai alone and don't remember being photographed there.

Everyone at Double Tree Shanghai gets photographed, at front desk, upon checkin.

[Bigfoot16]

Are they taking photos of everyone or just foreigners?

In September I stayed in hotels in Shanghai, Guillin and Qingdao. My wife is a Chinese National and she was photographed when we checked into our hotel in Qingdao. I wasn't photographed there. Neither of us was photographed in Guillin. I was in Shanghai alone and don't remember being photographed there.

[Midwestern]

Are they taking photos of everyone or just foreigners?

I guess everyone. There was a huge sign at the reception that everyone needed to have their picture taken. But I didn't pay close attention.

[Blanquiceleste]

I got fingerprinted at the airport too. Don't think it's a big deal. But the picture taking at the hotel is what worries me. I had mine taken recently when I stayed at a hotel in the Sonjiang area. It seems like overkill.

Fingerprinting is pretty common, happens at several airports. The way it is done at PVG is what makes it noticeable and disconcerting.

I have visited Shanghai thrice this year and stayed at the Intercontinental Jing'an. They never took any photos of me or of any other guests, that were checking in alongside me.

[AggieDad1]

My last visit to China was in April.

This time when I arrived at Shanghai / Pudong airport I found that they were now requiring all arrivees to be fingerprinted.

Then upon checking into the hotel, the staff is required to take your photo. Which is attached to the documentation with your passport. I visited a couple other hotels (including the Westin) and they were also photographing customers upon check-in.

Red Rider.

When I arrived in Beijing on June 19th I was fingerprinted. On that trip I made a short trip to Thailand and returned to China at Xiamen and was not fingerprinted again. Never was photographed at the hotel. That is something new.

[AggieDad1]

With all the recent backlash / pushback against China (economic, trade, political, military etc), mainly coming from Trump / US who try to form some kind of containment coalition against China (anti-dragon trade clause in recent US / Canada / Mexico free trade agreement, speaking out on the Xinjiang crackdown, recent Chinese 'spies' captured in US, planned massive military exercises in the South China Sea (CNN report) etc etc. We can only wonder when the mighty propaganda and security apparatus will turn against us foreigners.

Did anyone of you experience some form / hint of reservation or hostility, either in your regular business or private life and of course our dear hobby?

We might need to be careful and watch the overall public atmosphere, things can quickly be manipulated here, say LE looking to nab foreign punters.

Just wondering.

Stay safe.

I usually make one or two trips to China a year. I am an American and this last trip during the first week of July only had a couple of people who voiced their displeasure about the current situation with me. One was Chinese and the other was German. The Chinese guy was not happy about the stock market and the German guy was unhappy about trade. I listened politely and let them rant, (never agreed with them), and they both left the bar happy. I have been going to China since 2007 and have noticed a steady decline in the number of westerners since about 2013. In fact several guys I knew who lived and worked in China have left for Thailand or back to the USA.

[Boag11]

I got fingerprinted at the airport too. Don't think it's a big deal. But the picture taking at the hotel is what worries me. I had mine taken recently when I stayed at a hotel in the Sonjiang area. It seems like overkill.

Are they taking photos of everyone or just foreigners?

[Midwestern]

My last visit to China was in April.

This time when I arrived at Shanghai / Pudong airport I found that they were now requiring all arrivees to be fingerprinted.

Then upon checking into the hotel, the staff is required to take your photo. Which is attached to the documentation with your passport. I visited a couple other hotels (including the Westin) and they were also photographing customers upon check-in.

Red Rider.

I got fingerprinted at the airport too. Don't think it's a big deal. But the picture taking at the hotel is what worries me. I had mine taken recently when I stayed at a hotel in the Sonjiang area. It seems like overkill.

[Msukc]

My last visit to China was in April.

This time when I arrived at Shanghai / Pudong airport I found that they were now requiring all arrivees to be fingerprinted.

Then upon checking into the hotel, the staff is required to take your photo. Which is attached to the documentation with your passport. I visited a couple other hotels (including the Westin) and they were also photographing customers upon check-in.

Red Rider.

I was there in April as well. I did not have the same treatment. Although it was early April. I will be there in SH in a couple of weeks and will see if things have changed.

[The Guy]

With all the recent backlash / pushback against China (economic, trade, political, military etc), mainly coming from Trump / US who try to form some kind of containment coalition against China (anti-dragon trade clause in recent US / Canada / Mexico free trade agreement, speaking out on the Xinjiang crackdown, recent Chinese 'spies' captured in US, planned massive military exercises in the South China Sea (CNN report) etc etc. We can only wonder when the mighty propaganda and security apparatus will turn against us foreigners.

Did anyone of you experience some form / hint of reservation or hostility, either in your regular business or private life and of course our dear hobby?

We might need to be careful and watch the overall public atmosphere, things can quickly be manipulated here, say LE looking to nab foreign punters.

Just wondering.

Stay safe.

Average Chinese not even aware there is a trade dispute going on. And if aware, they don't seem to care that much.

[Bigfoot16]

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Did anyone of you experience some form / hint of reservation or hostility, either in your regular business or private life and of course our dear hobby?
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I just spent 5 weeks in China and I encountered no hostility. My wife is Chinese and we stayed mostly with friends or relatives of hers. But even out in in the public when inquiring strangers asked her where I was from we did not encounter hostility. Some questioned me about what was happening. My sense that the Chinese, like their government view things from the long term. In the long term none of this will matter. China has other sources for pork, beef, dairy, corn and soybeans. I feel sorry for the midwestern farmers who have lost some business. In China, some manufacturing is already moving to other countries as incomes rise and the service sector evolves.

I did have occasional chances to monger while there and the working girls showed no signs that my money was not worth ignoring over a trade dispute.