East China - Shanghai

[SocratesNY]

After reading the last 20 pages, it seems there was a major crackdown earlier this summer and the bad weather might pick up again for upcoming 70th anniversary celebration.

I have used M & J a couple times in the past (2016 and 2017) and will be back in Shanghai October 1 to 3. Will M & J be open as it's the start of the 70th anniversary celebration?

If they are closed, I guess I might go with online options like NLO or one of the advertisers like

http://nirvanashanghai.com/

Are they legit? I am trying to stay off of WeChat as it seems dicey to use atm for Indy's. I see they have a WhatsApp, but all the girls profile had the same so must be an agency contact rather than a listing of indys..I can't imagine they are an agency with such a large roster...

[Tyb60]

Sad what China had and now is gone, I missed the sauna best days but experienced some of NL, SNL and of course Rain's girls. Reports mostly posted on that HK site, can't remember if I posted here. Also had some notable independents; HousewifeBaoBao, BeverlyJones, Mimi, Hujing and many other some hot, some forgettable and also many Wechat nearby, and CL hits and misses.

My take is China was only unique in the Sauna hey days and now not any different in price and quality to anywhere else and far more expensive and dangerous than HK or other hotbeds.

Why Rain gets so much attention, she kept a internet site and advertised but as others posted I dropped her as she is a crazy, there is a long review of someone who did overnight with her, enlightening for those that are curious.

[Khaveen]

This time, the website is a bit discreet, offering massage services rather than escort services, but the fact that she's back to using her same old wechat ID and same website URL makes me think she's either crazy, or she's working with LE, or it is LE. Not worth it.

Rain has 2 Wechat's she's using now plus another one that she posted about, posted asking people to get in touch with her as it's her private / personal Wechat. That's kinda sketchy. Plus she's deleting WeChat posts pretty quickly.

I've known Rain a long time and have used her girls and even her. (last time was 2015) She is more than a little paranoid which is understandable. I don't know if she's colluding with LE. Maybe 50/50 odds on that. The fact that she's giving out her girls contacts is odd based upon her history.

I have chatted with her just to say Hello, (she remembers me but I am remarkable in China - 6'3" Big red haired white guy) and that's as far as it went. I have contacts for her girls but am hesitant to use WeChat to chat with them since Wechat is none too secure with China's Big Brother deal now.

I have to go back to China in 2020 (new position) and don't need to get tagged by Chinese LE before I even arrive. Last time in China was 2015, judging from what I read here things changed significantly. I'd say Rain is tainted until proven otherwise.

[Midwestern]

The 15 days or 4 week sentence is for the first time they are convicted. The second time is 1 1/2 years of rehabilitation.

I don't think she is afraid of her boss. I think she has courage and deserves credit for that.

Oh, that's right. I forgot that she got busted once before. LE confronted a customer after a session with her and he admitted to getting a HJ from her, or something like that. I totally give her props. I probably could not have been able to tolerate the abuse she received.

I liked Rain's old website and on the forums recommendations thought she was something special. I never order girls from websites without regret but I made an exception with Rain one afternoon. I asked for the daily special. The pictures were of a very nice looking mid 20's with a nice figure. Who arrived was her face 20 years later with a 30 pound weight increase and tits that had been ravaged by babies or broken implants. In spite of the high end price they charge she did a mediocre quick time and with my blessing left early. Besides being s&m to negotiate with how in Rain anything but another scam.

So Midwestern, why do you want nothing more to do with Rain?

Before she recently got busted by LE, I used her agency for about 3 years. I always had a decent experience with her girls (but the girls usually available for the matinee special price were not that great, I admit). But she yelled at me so many times, and deleted my wechat at least 3 or 4 times. You cannot ask her any questions, or change your mind, or cancel without it pissing her off. She once published a guy's email address on her wechat moments because she was annoyed at him. How scary is that? Anyway, just before she got busted by LE, she changed her wechat ID not once, but TWICE. Imagine that. She knew that she was being monitored, but kept pushing the envelope. So now, after 5 months in jail, within a day or two after her release, she starts contacting all of her clients again, and her website is back up and running. This time, the website is a bit discreet, offering massage services rather than escort services, but the fact that she's back to using her same old wechat ID and same website URL makes me think she's either crazy, or she's working with LE, or it is LE. Not worth it.

[Five Aces]

Rain's website is back up. And now she is actually listing the girls' direct contacts (but there are only a handful of girls listed). So, if you think it's safer to contact girls directly, then there you go. But I'm not going to partake, because I want nothing to do with Rain from now on..

I liked Rain's old website and on the forums recommendations thought she was something special. I never order girls from websites without regret but I made an exception with Rain one afternoon. I asked for the daily special. The pictures were of a very nice looking mid 20's with a nice figure. Who arrived was her face 20 years later with a 30 pound weight increase and tits that had been ravaged by babies or broken implants. In spite of the high end price they charge she did a mediocre quick time and with my blessing left early. Besides being s&m to negotiate with how in Rain anything but another scam.

So Midwestern, why do you want nothing more to do with Rain?

[Five Aces]

The police going to all that trouble means they want her testimony because they desperately want to bust her boss / owner, and given that she took that beating (just to avoid a measly 4 week jail sentence) means that she's terrified of her boss / owner. But bless her heart. Poor gal. Hope you gave her some extra money or other help.

The 15 days or 4 week sentence is for the first time they are convicted. The second time is 1 1/2 years of rehabilitation.

I don't think she is afraid of her boss. I think she has courage and deserves credit for that.

[Midwestern]

There has been some talk in high places in the last couple of years about Chinese citizens and their rights. And not getting beat up for trying to lodge complaints etc. But I guess it takes a while to trickle down. For example:

The world famous #18 was caught in a raid in July. In order to get her to confess to providing oral sex services she was interrogated for 3 hours. During that time she acquired a square foot of bruises on her joints and had an electric prod used on her twice. She didn't confess. It was all, just massage no funny business.

Plus she still has marks from the handcuffs.

The police going to all that trouble means they want her testimony because they desperately want to bust her boss / owner, and given that she took that beating (just to avoid a measly 4 week jail sentence) means that she's terrified of her boss / owner. But bless her heart. Poor gal. Hope you gave her some extra money or other help.

[Five Aces]

There has been some talk in high places in the last couple of years about Chinese citizens and their rights. And not getting beat up for trying to lodge complaints etc. But I guess it takes a while to trickle down. For example:

The world famous #18 was caught in a raid in July. In order to get her to confess to providing oral sex services she was interrogated for 3 hours. During that time she acquired a square foot of bruises on her joints and had an electric prod used on her twice. She didn't confess. It was all, just massage no funny business.

Plus she still has marks from the handcuffs.

[The Guy]

Freebie from a hotel spa? LOL. There's no way. I gave a FR in the Beijing thread (probably in January of this year) about the experience. In short, my flight was supposed to arrive in the afternoon. I was going to order outcall before dinner, and then invite an indie over after drinking with friends that same night. But, my flight got super delayed. I arrived at the Crowne Wangfujing at around midnight. So, I just texted Kitty to send over a girl and to my surprise she said that my hotel is too strict, especially because it was so late. This is the first time she refused to send a girl. So, I texted the indie, and again to my surprise she said the same thing, that my hotel specifically and that Wangfujing in general are strict, especially given that it was after midnight. So, I was frustrated and desperate, and just ordered room service from the hotel spa. The guy on the phone asks me if I'm staying alone and I say yes. The girl that arrives a few minutes later is the usual 3. Her body was average, but she had a fat face. Oh well. Anyway, I asked her the cost of a massage, and she says 500. But on the spa menu on the nightstand, there is no massage that costs 500. But she says that's the price, so I said okay. And then I ask what's the price for FS, and she quoted me something outrageous and I eventually got her to settle for 2000. Anyway, after multiple positions, I was tired and I couldn't pop, so I took off the cover and started raw dogging her. Don't lecture me. I know it was a huge f**king mistake. But after a half hour of raw dogging, I still couldn't pop and my hour was up, so she left. The next morning, I tried to check out, but the hotel said that I already paid for 2 nights so I couldn't get a refund for the 2nd night. This annoyed me, but I tried to make the best of it. That afternoon, I ordered a girl from Kittys. I'm pretty sure it was Linxi who is now listed on NLO. The funny thing is that I told Linxi to meet me on the 2nd floor, and while walking around waiting for her, I saw the girl from the night before working at the gift shop counter, LOL. Anyway, after a good session with Linxi, I was sitting in my hotel room wondering what I was going to do that night wrt to mongering, and then I just decided to check out early and eat the cost. I then checked into another hotel, one far from Wangfujing, and went on a mongering rampage to make up for lost time. Whoops, I didn't keep this short. Sorry.

Speaking of freebies. I actually scored one recently. It's kind of a decent story, so in case any of you guys are interested, here it is: There's a legit MP that I've been going to for many years. It's the kind of place where I have to grit my teeth almost the entire time because the massage is super painful, sometimes I scream in pain, but I feel great afterwards. Anyway, about a year ago, I get massaged by a skinny MILF at this shop. She is friendly, loves to laugh, and has a great smile. So, I started requesting her on a regular basis. She is at least 40, is married, and has a teenage daughter. Anyway, during the hot summer, I noticed that she wasn't wearing a shirt under her uniform top. So, every once in a while, I caught glimpses of her stomach and lower back. It started to turn me on, but I didn't do anything. But the last time I saw her to get a massage, I gave her a hug, and to my surprise, she pressed her entire body against me. So, I took the cue and started caressing her, and then tried to kiss her, but she resisted at first, but finally gave in. Anyway, for the rest of that hour, we were all over each other. That night, I texted her that liked her. She texted back that she liked me too, but we could never do that again at her work place. So, I asked her what should we do? She said let's meet at a hotel on her next day off. And so we did. For someone in her 40's, she has a pretty fit body. I guess giving legit massages keeps her fit. Anyway, after raw dogging for over an hour, her phone starts ringing. She tells me it's her husband and she has to spend the day with him. Apparently, he moved to Shanghai for a temporary job. So she quickly gets dressed and takes off. I text her, asking if she can return, and she says no. And, that was it. Later that night, she texted me to never text her again. She said that from now on, she'll text me. But I haven't heard from her since. But this was recent, so I'm still holding out hope. Again, sorry for the long useless story.

Let me offer the following possibly useful info, as a way of apology if you feel like you wasted your time reading my useless stories above. Rain's website is back up. And now she is actually listing the girls' direct contacts (but there are only a handful of girls listed). So, if you think it's safer to contact girls directly, then there you go. But I'm not going to partake, because I want nothing to do with Rain from now on.

BTW, at Rodneey, I totally agree with your most recent post.

Yeah, I've seduced a few legit massage girls as well. I guess they get horny doing all those massages.

[Midwestern]

I will be visiting Shanghai end of this month. Looking for help with some indie or MP contacts. Thanks!

Sands, I realize the Indian forums do things differently, where you guys simply just frantically beg each other for contacts. But in the Shanghai forum, many members frequently post useful intel, so you just need to spend an hour and RTFF. Trust me.

[Sands007]

I will be visiting Shanghai end of this month. Looking for help with some indie or MP contacts. Thanks!

[Bexitrum]

Where I can book a "red rope" service in Shanghai? Your photo looks very horny bro).

Thanks.

BXT.

Not my image, caption, or dick, but the red rope used to be the best thing about the Shanghai scene. Maybe one day we'll see its triumphant return. RIP red rope.

[Member #4689]

Let me offer the following possibly useful info, as a way of apology if you feel like you wasted your time reading my useless stories above.

Midwest, it is always a pleasure to read your exploits. I especially like your entrepreneurial spirit during these difficult times.

Stay safe!

[Midwestern]

Hey Midwest, don't keep us guessing LOL. How did it progress?

Thanks for all your good reports over the years!

Cheers.

Freebie from a hotel spa? LOL. There's no way. I gave a FR in the Beijing thread (probably in January of this year) about the experience. In short, my flight was supposed to arrive in the afternoon. I was going to order outcall before dinner, and then invite an indie over after drinking with friends that same night. But, my flight got super delayed. I arrived at the Crowne Wangfujing at around midnight. So, I just texted Kitty to send over a girl and to my surprise she said that my hotel is too strict, especially because it was so late. This is the first time she refused to send a girl. So, I texted the indie, and again to my surprise she said the same thing, that my hotel specifically and that Wangfujing in general are strict, especially given that it was after midnight. So, I was frustrated and desperate, and just ordered room service from the hotel spa. The guy on the phone asks me if I'm staying alone and I say yes. The girl that arrives a few minutes later is the usual 3. Her body was average, but she had a fat face. Oh well. Anyway, I asked her the cost of a massage, and she says 500. But on the spa menu on the nightstand, there is no massage that costs 500. But she says that's the price, so I said okay. And then I ask what's the price for FS, and she quoted me something outrageous and I eventually got her to settle for 2000. Anyway, after multiple positions, I was tired and I couldn't pop, so I took off the cover and started raw dogging her. Don't lecture me. I know it was a huge f**king mistake. But after a half hour of raw dogging, I still couldn't pop and my hour was up, so she left. The next morning, I tried to check out, but the hotel said that I already paid for 2 nights so I couldn't get a refund for the 2nd night. This annoyed me, but I tried to make the best of it. That afternoon, I ordered a girl from Kittys. I'm pretty sure it was Linxi who is now listed on NLO. The funny thing is that I told Linxi to meet me on the 2nd floor, and while walking around waiting for her, I saw the girl from the night before working at the gift shop counter, LOL. Anyway, after a good session with Linxi, I was sitting in my hotel room wondering what I was going to do that night wrt to mongering, and then I just decided to check out early and eat the cost. I then checked into another hotel, one far from Wangfujing, and went on a mongering rampage to make up for lost time. Whoops, I didn't keep this short. Sorry.

Speaking of freebies. I actually scored one recently. It's kind of a decent story, so in case any of you guys are interested, here it is: There's a legit MP that I've been going to for many years. It's the kind of place where I have to grit my teeth almost the entire time because the massage is super painful, sometimes I scream in pain, but I feel great afterwards. Anyway, about a year ago, I get massaged by a skinny MILF at this shop. She is friendly, loves to laugh, and has a great smile. So, I started requesting her on a regular basis. She is at least 40, is married, and has a teenage daughter. Anyway, during the hot summer, I noticed that she wasn't wearing a shirt under her uniform top. So, every once in a while, I caught glimpses of her stomach and lower back. It started to turn me on, but I didn't do anything. But the last time I saw her to get a massage, I gave her a hug, and to my surprise, she pressed her entire body against me. So, I took the cue and started caressing her, and then tried to kiss her, but she resisted at first, but finally gave in. Anyway, for the rest of that hour, we were all over each other. That night, I texted her that liked her. She texted back that she liked me too, but we could never do that again at her work place. So, I asked her what should we do? She said let's meet at a hotel on her next day off. And so we did. For someone in her 40's, she has a pretty fit body. I guess giving legit massages keeps her fit. Anyway, after raw dogging for over an hour, her phone starts ringing. She tells me it's her husband and she has to spend the day with him. Apparently, he moved to Shanghai for a temporary job. So she quickly gets dressed and takes off. I text her, asking if she can return, and she says no. And, that was it. Later that night, she texted me to never text her again. She said that from now on, she'll text me. But I haven't heard from her since. But this was recent, so I'm still holding out hope. Again, sorry for the long useless story.

Let me offer the following possibly useful info, as a way of apology if you feel like you wasted your time reading my useless stories above. Rain's website is back up. And now she is actually listing the girls' direct contacts (but there are only a handful of girls listed). So, if you think it's safer to contact girls directly, then there you go. But I'm not going to partake, because I want nothing to do with Rain from now on.

BTW, at Rodneey, I totally agree with your most recent post.

[Member #4689]

One time when I was in Beijing, I ordered room service at Crowne Plaza Hotel. Got FS, and the next day I saw that girl working at the hotel gift shop, LOL.

Hey Midwest, don't keep us guessing LOL. How did it progress?

Thanks for all your good reports over the years!

Cheers.