East China - Shanghai

[Midwestern]

Decided to be adventurous to see if I could luckily stumble upon a hidden gem. Rode a bicycle around for a couple of hours and found myself on Ya'an road, near Longemont hotel. Behind the hotel there are 2 spa / massage places. Tried the one next to Naan Cat Coffee. Chose the 90 minute oil massage for 388. It was one of the most sensuous massages I've ever gotten. First on the chest. Then when I'm on my back there was lots of ass and groin massage. Then turned over again for entirely balls and shaft massage. I was in heaven. But then suddenly she said she was finished, with no release! I asked about extras, and HJ, and she said there's none of that at their place and said goodbye. This is not the first time this has happened to me. Wtf?

[Tommy Goat]

Has anyone tried a take-out from the dodgey looking bar opposite Judy's? It's never very full and so I am wary of going with any of the girls there. I've seen one or two stunners who I would definitely go with if the price was right, but my gut instinct tells me there's a scam going on somewhere there.

Any advice my fellow mongers (I am planning a visit next week, so will stick to Manhattan or Judy's unless you tell me otherwise!

OK, I've done my own research on this bar now. It's directly opposite Judy's and has about 6-8 girls hanging around. Usually a couple near the door and the rest near the bar. It strikes me as odd that it's so quiet, but a welcome break from the constant jar ranging you get in Judy's or Manhattan. I went in for drink last Thursday and here's my report.

First, the warning should be in the prices: 60 RMB each (. Makes Manhattan look good value! Immediately you get surrounded by two or three girls eager to say Hello, chat and "spend time" with. I met three nice enough Chinese girls. Two were a 6, one (Amy) was a 7/8. If Amy had been in her own she'the have pulled and I would definitely have scored. She was cheeky, sexy and fun even if a bit too small and petite for my liking. Fortunately for my wallet though her friends wouldn't leave us alone and they managed to get me suspicious of the place.

Sign No. 2 that something wasn't right was when they kept asking me to go away from the bar and to sit with just them. I was asked to play pool, to sit and chat, to play cards, etc etc. Anything to get me "engaged" with them socially.

Sign No. 3 the bar was reluctant to take my money. I like the pay-as-you-go principle to stop me from being fleeced. They however were very quick to offer me a tab.

Lastly the girls keep asking me for drinks, perhaps not Amy who was intent on rubbing her body up and down the side of my arm, leg or whatever, but certainly the others seemed to have a "business approach" to our chats!

I got the hint and quickly made my excuses. It was late and I promised to meet them all at 8 pm the following day (. Not!

Verdict? A lucky escape, not worth going back (. Although I would have liked to have given Amy a proper try out!

In future, I'll just stick to the tried and tested places!

[Fugazi99]

And follow the well known basic rules: Never drink with more than one lady (maybe two, if you just received a bonus in the company at the same time, avoid any barfines by exchanging wechat contacts and meeting the girls in their free time, etc.

You make it look like a lot of fun. But what do you get for that kind of price? How long / how many drinks does it take to reach 1000 for instance?

[Fugazi99]

For me BBS or Saunas with going inside, choosing one, have interaction and leave 30 minutes later is no fun, you know all tastes are different.

I want to have party and fun, and on the other hand to talk to Chinese ladies who mostly speak perfect English and look very good. But to answer your question, arriving at 10 pm, leaving at 4 am, I expect a bill of 3000-4000 for drinks, kissing, touching and maybe a bit more.

You just need to be aware that nothing in life comes for free. And as I meet regular other guests from time to time, there seem to be folks that share my preference.

You make it look like a lot of fun. But what do you get for that kind of price? How long / how many drinks does it take to reach 1000 for instance?

[The Guy]

As good as usual. Sunday night means a bit less competition from Chinese fat cats for the prettier / younger targets. Found a Laotian - 7. 5, 25 yr old, no childbirth marks. Who was new to the business (I "think" I believe it), second night at Manhattan and I was (again, allegedly) her first paying client. She offered the standard 1,200/2,000 pricing. Told her I'd just pop once so less than 2 hours. Settled for 800. In any event, he seemed pretty new to it and needed to be given instructions. Decent experience.

[ShanghaiLander]

...If you want to be save just tell them that you want be be warned once you reached 1000/2000/3000/4000 etc, that's what I always do.

You make it look like a lot of fun. But what do you get for that kind of price? How long / how many drinks does it take to reach 1000 for instance?

[Tasss]

This report will be most helpful for people with fair Chinese skills although some English-only speakers may also be able to use of what's here. This past trip to SH is not really for mongering as SH isn't really a terribly good destination for that, but I had a few days and nights where I could head out and explore. I will not be talking about Manhattan and Judy's here. Overall the government is currently trying to suppress the P4P scene for Chinese locals. It's still there but just less overt and more expensive.

I would recommend downloading some Chinese apps on your smartphone before going. Maybe not surprisingly, a VPN is not needed since the options I'm talking about are all available to local Chinese.

1. WeChat. Most Chinese guys should already have this. This is for communicating with apartment girls and for those with weaker Chinese, like me, it has an English interface.

2. QQ. Don't get the international version, which hasn't been updated for several years. The regular QQ app doesn't have an English interface so it could be troublesome to navigate if your Chinese is basic or non-existent. Unfortunately most apartment girls will only have QQ and not WeChat.

3. Baidu Map. Google Maps won't work in China. Helps to navigate to apartment girls.

4. Didi Dache. Uber for China. Accepts international credit cards which is awesome. Most Chinese apps only takes Alipay / WeChat pay which you need a Chinese bank account for. Immensely helpful when a taxi could not be hailed and usually cheaper. Unlike taxis which increase their fares at night, Didi fares go down late night. I recommend you set this up in your home country because sometimes it'll take you to your CC's card verification page, which could do an SMS verification, which in turn you don't have access to your home phone number in China. Didi has an English interface. Not sure how good it is, but it's there. There's a competing app called Dida which seems to be cheaper, but I didn't use it.

You need to buy mobile data. Speaking from a US perspective, only a few phones here have TDD-LTE. If yours does, then you can go with China Mobile. Most unlocked AT&T and TMobile phones should be able to use China Unicom's 3 G (HSPA+) which is good enough for things like WeChat and QQ. The China Mobile plan I bought is just 50 RMB with 600 MB of data and some talk / text, which I didn't use much. The 600 MB plan deducts about 17 RMB from the 50 RMB account balance so you use the rest for talk / text and you can talk to an operator to get that added.

The Chinese (Shanghai specific) p4 p forums are easy to find for those with any fair amount of Chinese skills and I'm not going to list them here since the addresses will probably be edited out by mods. You'll need to use these to find the ads I'll talk about below.

The saunas have moved out of dedicated buildings and operating out of random hotels. They're also quite expensive, usually their prices start near US K-girl prices, somewhere around 1200 RMB and up to 2000 and sometimes 3000. I didn't see any value in these saunas personally as there are K-girls in my city and the K-girls are usually better looking and more friendly than the Chinese sauna girls. But for those who aren't in my situation, it's an option. Be aware that some saunas will advertise cheaper girls for 900 RMB or whatever, but when you get there, they aren't available or there's only 1 or 2. It's a bait and switch. Saunas ads are usually at the top of the Chinese P4P forums.

These Chinese forums will also have a section where apartment girls advertise. They also have reviews, but on some sites the contact info for the girl in the review is withheld unless you buy or earn tokens from that website. I'd rather just use the websites where the review is completely free or not rely on the reviews at all. I never used QQ / Wechat girls before until now because the relative value of the saunas have dropped. The apartment girl pics will almost always be heavily Photoshopped so don't be surprised you get a 6 instead of an 8. The QQ number or WeChat ID posted is usually monitored and answered by an operator. You don't get to the real girl's contact info until you arrive near the apartment and the operator gives you her number. I thought earlier the girls were answering QQ messages themselves, until my second apartment girl informed me otherwise. You can negotiate specific services with the girl herself like BBFS, which most girls won't do. Normal prices go from 400 to 600 per pop and there are higher priced ones as well. There are 2 pop and LT (baoye or BY) options which I didn't try.

My first appointment was priced at 600. The girl was from Guangxi, nice boobs but her face was maybe a 5 whereas her ad photos were maybe an 8. Good attitude but no chemistry between us, so she was pretty mechanical. I think that's one thing I miss from the sauna is that a lineup allows for you to make eye contact with the girl, and you can pick one that meshes well with you. Massage + BBBJ + CFS. The apartment didn't have a hot shower, and so I had to take a cold shower before the session.

Second appointment was priced at 400. Shandong girl with a slim figure and a 5.5 to 6 face. We had good chemistry going and she was horny as hell so I asked her for BBFS. She said she'd do it for 1000, which I couldn't go down further from. We both really enjoyed the session, and she said it felt great to do it BB after a long time going all covered. I came on her back as she requested. Her shower was working properly but her towels were wet and disgusting. So be aware that sometimes the apartment facilities are not going to be great. The girl also made me wait for 45 minutes. This is because the operator doesn't always know the girl's schedule that well, so I'd imagine it'd be awkward for a white guy to get into a similar situation. He has to stand outside the building for 30+ min with the local residents and security guys walking by all the time wondering why the hell he's here.

The BBS situation is currently not good. The QQ girls are on average a big upgrade from the BBS girls in terms of service, so while you save 200 RMB ($30 US), ask yourself if it's worth getting minimal services vs being able to take your time. Before what I could do is to peek in a BBS and make eye contact with the girl, then pick the more enthusiastic ones. Now the girls work in secret so you can't preview them as easily. I only tried one this trip. There used to be a well known set of BBS shops called Xinsandui (literally, new three team). I read how that place has adapted to the new environment in the Chinese forums, and I got curious, so I decided to check it out. My experience was exactly the same as the Chinese forum described. Once you go out of the Line 13 Fengzhuang subway station, you walk one block and there's a couple of old guys on motorcycles who spot you. They pretty much know what you're looking for. They come up to me and say "it's not here anymore" and I tell him "OK take me there". I was taken to a shop with locked glass doors. The place had zero lighting so as to make it look like it was closed. I was taken to a second place inside an apartment complex where 5 girls were sitting around looking bored. I picked one but the service was non-existent and couldn't even get a hard on. Price is 200 RMB and 10 RMB for the motorcycle guy. Personally BBSs were something I enjoyed in the past, but no longer, so I can't recommend it. But if you like cheap no frills sex, the Chinese forums will direct you to some places closer to where you live.

Another ISG member told me about dance halls in Suzhou, but no time to go to Suzhou this trip.

Other things you can try are WeChat people nearby, Momo and Tantan. I was hoping there may be P4P girls there, but it doesn't seem like there is. Good for flirting with a girl and non-sexual meetings if that's your thing.

[Fugazi99]

Sorry, was a bit in ahurry yesterday, more detailed.

Can really recommend "ShangHai Nights" which is in the middle of all those bars. Have also been at "Cats" "New York" and "Old Manhattan" but this place was the one I felt treated the best. Also they have the most private backroom.

Just say Hello, to FEI, Stormy and Chun Chun from Mike from Germany. If you want to be save just tell them that you want be be warned once you reached 1000/2000/3000/4000 etc, that's what I always do.

Have fun, I will back there finally in August.

I have numerous times been at "Shanghai Nights" and never been ripped off. Just say Fei a warm Hello.

[Fugazi99]

I have numerous times been at "Shanghai Nights" and never been ripped off. Just say Fei a warm Hello.

OK, thanks. Will check them out. And, yeah I know its easy to get ripped off, but if you just don't spend a lot of money on the first random girl that will ask you for it, but rather eat some bar snacks, drink, watch some stupid TV, play pool and possibly meet a hot girl you like, and she speaks English, then its like. OK what the heck, I spend 200 on her and get some nice GFE in the bar and possibly she will text me afterwards and like to meet again. I have only payed for lady-drinks when I met someone I connected with (good looking, English speaking, sense of humor) and when going back to the same place again I noticed the other girls stay off my ass cause they know I already connected with. Pim, loom, or whatever her name is, if she is not in the bar they will text her and she will show up in 15 minutes If there is no one I like or if the girls are greedy boring bitches just playing with their phones I just finish the beer and move on to the next place.

The spot was more like a general place with a band and a lot of regular girls, no lady-drinks or shit. Still plenty of opportunities for bringing home some of the girls that were there. The Spot was on the way from Jing An temple station to Judys and Manhattans, just popped in since it looked fun.

[Andersson25]

Huashan Lu, just across Yan'an Lu from Jing'An. There's a row of bars: Country road, Crossroads, New York, Hilda. I've never been but they are generally considered as perfect places to get drunk and ripped off.

Don't know about The Spot.

OK, thanks. Will check them out. And, yeah I know its easy to get ripped off, but if you just don't spend a lot of money on the first random girl that will ask you for it, but rather eat some bar snacks, drink, watch some stupid TV, play pool and possibly meet a hot girl you like, and she speaks English, then its like. OK what the heck, I spend 200 on her and get some nice GFE in the bar and possibly she will text me afterwards and like to meet again. I have only payed for lady-drinks when I met someone I connected with (good looking, English speaking, sense of humor) and when going back to the same place again I noticed the other girls stay off my ass cause they know I already connected with. Pim, loom, or whatever her name is, if she is not in the bar they will text her and she will show up in 15 minutes If there is no one I like or if the girls are greedy boring bitches just playing with their phones I just finish the beer and move on to the next place.

The spot was more like a general place with a band and a lot of regular girls, no lady-drinks or shit. Still plenty of opportunities for bringing home some of the girls that were there. The Spot was on the way from Jing An temple station to Judys and Manhattans, just popped in since it looked fun.

[Amnesia]

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS..

Which one do you recommend? Could you post the name (and address maybe)?

[The Guy]

You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.

Saunas have reopened, but prices still higher than pre-crackdown. Maybe with time and competition, they will come down.

[Dex Xie]

You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.

I reckon most local guys use QQ girls. Tazman gave me a site (don't bother if you aren't Asian looking with passable Chinese skills) that not only freely advertises FS, but also has some rather explicit reviews. Those girls start at 400 per pop for FS. I tried a 400 p girl (super skinny low-mid 20s, 5'2/90 lbs / A / okay face / rushed service) and a 600 p girl (she was rather hot, mid-late 20's, 5'4/110 lbs / C / pretty face / less rushed service). Basically just 1 pop and done (2 pops if you pay extra).

But as I mentioned above, they usually operate out of residential zones. So if you aren't Asian looking, you will stand out look a sore thumb. All the directions they give you are pictures (of Chinese characters), probably to evade any potential Chinese gov crackdown or censorship. Much easier to parse characters than to parse pictures. So even a handy translator won't help. I somewhat read Chinese and I have difficulty finding the places. Fortunately, I am Chinese so I can wander and loiter around like an idiot without drawing attention.

[Sinofaguo]

To the other guy asking about sauna etc this has been super cracked down and only shadier places left or maybe just HJ. I would just stick to Manhattan personally.

You do realise the average chinese customer will never go to places like Manhattan or Judy and yet there are many many of them still enjoying their hobby in Shanghai.

Several old saunas have reopened, most MPs as well and most of these MPs provide HJ and BJ. Several up to FS.

Lots of KTV are still up too.

The dry season which happened from August 15 to November is clearly over for some time now. Places just act low profile, many have had to close but many are still around.

[ShanghaiLander]

Someone mentioned a street with girl-bars (semi-pros that ask you to buy drinks for some company in the bar) but I can not find the post, anyone knows where to find these kind of bars in Jing An?

Huashan Lu, just across Yan'an Lu from Jing'An. There's a row of bars: Country road, Crossroads, New York, Hilda. I've never been but they are generally considered as perfect places to get drunk and ripped off.

Don't know about The Spot.