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09-10-15 04:00 #9302
Posts: 2Help finding The best Saunas
Spending the next few days in Shanghai. Staying in the Marriott city center. Was hoping to hit up a sauna. By the reviews, Kang Ding seems a good one. I can't seem to figure out where exactly it's located. Can someone help out?
Cheers
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09-10-15 03:53 #9301
Posts: 407Originally Posted by Stegram [View Original Post]
In all honesty, I personally hate a situation where I have to bargain for anything, least of all pussy. That's why I thoroughly do my homework so I know the going average; I identify my target and if I consider their offer is unreasonable, I provide a take it or leave it counteroffer.
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09-10-15 01:07 #9300
Posts: 190A slightly different point
Originally Posted by Kib123 [View Original Post]
My point is that if you beat a girl down too far from her normal price, THAT girl has less incentive to provide good service because you are not a full paying customer FOR HER, and her incentive to want to get you to see her again has gone down. This is a common business acumen and there's no reason it does not apply here. Companies expect to negotiate contracts but if you beat them down to where they don't really profit you are going to get what you get.
By beating her fee down below expectation, you have lowered the chance that THIS girl will provide you a good experience. You're going to get what you get.
Nothing is a for sure and none of the applies every time. It's just playing the odds. I'd rather pay 15% more than the rock bottom possible price to have a 35% better chance at a good session with an attentive girl.
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09-10-15 00:15 #9299
Posts: 301Originally Posted by ShanghaiGuide [View Original Post]
And when the rotations occur, the number changes. The girls tell me the rotation typically occurs every three months sometimes earlier so the customers will get a fresh selection.
My rule of thumb is that if I haven't been to a particular sauna for more than two months, then it is almost certain the number no longer works.
Usually, if I "reserve" a girl that I have never been with the locker room staff will remind me that who I have in mind might not be the same girl I am looking for.
And there were a couple instances where the girl who showed up is indeed totally different from whom I was expecting.
If she looks appealing then I will keep her. If she is not my type, I will tell the manager that she isn't the same person.
Usually the manager will explain to me that the original number X now works at a different location or she is on holiday.
Yes, the girls get bonuses for having reservations by repeat customers, I don't know how they work it out if the number changes though.
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09-09-15 23:03 #9298
Posts: 675Originally Posted by Arizona123 [View Original Post]
Well she did....... and he paid up. For the longest time, he could not get a girl to quote anything below 3000.
Arizona! To your point!
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09-09-15 18:50 #9297
Posts: 249Originally Posted by NorthSouth [View Original Post]
So from that view I would guess very less saunas will change girls numbers because of this reason.
But it still could be it happened and followed to your experience, because there is really a case where girls need to change the numbers.
Most sauna clubs now have different number "categories" for their different price and "model" range.
For sure all girls want to charge the higher rate, but normally beginners don't get this chance.
So if a girl will get "upgraded" to a "higher level", she also will need to change the number, because other categories have other number systems (like for example another "block" of numbers like "9 XX instead of 7 XX or an additional sign like A888 instead of B888 and so on).
But I would guess a "number exchange" in between a number category will be an extremely exception.
Have fun, what ever the number will be.
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09-09-15 17:38 #9296
Posts: 111Something else to think about
Here's something else to throw into this debate. Manhattan, Judy's, MP's, sauna's, independents. Some of these girls live together and they talk about their customers. Yes, even the independents. So if you're a regular at these places, some of the girls will know about you, how much you negotiated to get the girl out the door for ST or LT, how much you tip them after the happy ending, how you treat them, even the type of hotels you're staying at, is it a 5 star or a Motel168. Of course this applies only when you frequent the same place but switch girls, it does affect the expectations from the girls when they negotiate.
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09-09-15 16:17 #9295
Posts: 214Pick by numbers
I think saunas may be switching their girls' numbers around. I can understand promotions to a higher tier because a girl got great reviews, but I suspect they sometimes just switch numbers to make it looks like they have more girls than there actually are.
I keep a log of the girls with a little note about the session when I was on my way home. I took this girl last evening who had a number I had not been with before, but I was almost sure, as we played, I was with her a month ago, but she had a different number then.
So unless you can remember faces well, you may not get the repeat you were looking for, or trying to avoid.
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09-09-15 03:22 #9294
Posts: 407Price-Performance (PP) debate
Originally Posted by Stegram [View Original Post]
Sam is right we are dealing with unpredictable humans, but they can also be quite predictable. The one constant I have always found is that providers that are quick to demand payment upfront always tend to provide lower quality service. I have found very few exceptions to this rule, very few indeed.
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09-09-15 02:14 #9293
Posts: 675Originally Posted by Arizona123 [View Original Post]
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09-08-15 23:17 #9292
Posts: 111So Sam my man.
Bottom line. You going to send me Ray and Mae's numbers? Hahaha!
Originally Posted by SamCan [View Original Post]
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09-08-15 22:41 #9291
Posts: 675SNG is right but one point
I remember a couple years ago. A guy in manhattans was pushing to get a girl cheap. He said, "this girl is going to learn a thing about negotiation!" he then said, "it doesn't matter, they are all lousy in bed anyway. HAHA. I laughed then because he never put the cause with the effect.
I have also had girls tell me "I like you, I will give you last price, don't need to play" sometimes it is a good price, sometimes it is every other girls first price. Regardless, I came to the conclusion that there is an expectation of some push back. I have found 1500 to be the asking price for overnight. 1200 seems to be the sweet spot. Girls will offer that quickly if you say no to the 1500.
I have had my best and worst experience at 1000. Two different girls (in 2015) quoted me 1000 for overnight. The first girl was Mae. She was 36 and fresh off the plane that day from Viet nam. She said she worked in an office in Viet Nam. I think she might have. The sex was GFE ad I think maybe she had not had any in a while. Maybe she was not sleeping around in Viet nam or maybe she just liked sex. She was so good, I always regretted not getting her number. Another one in August of 2015 was kissing my neck, my ears, rubbing up against me, getting me hard. She said she only wanted 1000 for all night. She was ready to leave the bar and wanted to go. We went to my place, had one pop and she wanted to sleep. I tried to kiss her ear and she said she wanted to sleep. I tossed her out and slept by myself. I prefer sleeping by myself than with a stranger I just met. OK she won that round but I slept well!
I met a 24 year old named Ray (May 2015). I grabbed her the first night for 1500. We had one BJ 2 FS pops and I asked her to go. She didn' t want to go. She liked my bed and slept wrapped around me. I finally said she had to so I could sleep.
I saw Ray 2 nights later. I had met a german expat (Steven? Haha) and he told me not to pay more than 1000 for overnight (may 2015). Ray showed up and asked me to go with her. I told her my friend said 1000 was the rate. She accepted (at midnight on a Saturday) and it was back to my place. Sex was just as good as 1500 rmb sex.
Bottom line, maybe I need to take a girls first offer and see if there is a difference. What I have paid has never provide a consistent cost or experience. I would gladly pay more for a better experience but I have not found that yet. I guess when you are dealing with people. (who are all different,) what do we expect?
SAM CAN.
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09-08-15 18:36 #9290
Posts: 190SG is absolutely right
If you're looking for rock bottom prices, you can't complain when you get a lower service level.
Carrot or the Stick my friends. Happy encounters are more likely with a girl that is happy she met you. If you're a last ditch option (because of your low money or a hole attitude), you're going reap what you have sown.
BODI UPDATE.
I had one day in Shanghai and my favorite girl was unavailable so I went to Bodi.
AWESOME lineup. The fishbowl is back for the second time (in 4 months) for me instead of a dimly lit hallway lineup of 6 with 2 other punters standing next to me. 25 girls with many hotties.
With so many hot girls and only one punter (me) on this side of the glass, it was a tough decision.
I decided on a girl that looked at me and smiled. For only a brief moment. That method has served me well. It's very telling when a girl will interatct with you while the other girls are staring straight ahead with a blank expression.
After the service, we chatted and she reinforced the fact that they are afraid of foreigners because they think we're all packing elephant dicks and will rip them apart.
When you Asian guys go in front of a fish bowl, are you getting more than 3 in 25 who will actually look your way or even smile? I'm an OK looking guy and in OK shape. If these were American girls I'm sure I would get a better reaction from them.
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09-08-15 15:39 #9289
Posts: 214Shanghai Guide
Totally agree. You cannot expect the girl to be lovey dovey after you drove a hard bargain. That is why I prefer sauna, where there is no haggling over price ( not that necessarily mean the girl will be in a better mood or give better service as a result), over MP or pick up bars. But the fun for some is from the hunt and the back and forth.
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09-08-15 15:06 #9288
Posts: 160Originally Posted by Arizona123 [View Original Post]
I do now talk about the payment only at the end. And will not go with someone if there is not agreement. Good thought to offer half up front for LT. It would be less than the ST cost. So may try that if I get stuck.
Anyone around on the 18th, 19th or 25th to try a KTV run?
Will