East China - Shanghai

[Beijing4987]

Shsnghai Guide: Can you comment on the economics of the oil massage business in Shsnghai? The house fee went from 208 to 268 recently at some places in Jingan. The girls told me they received 70 out of the 208 fee and later 138 of the 268 fee. Do the chinese customers tip them？ They will on occasion agree to takeout on their day off, or after work ends, but usually need to get back to sleep in the dorm. Management seems to keep them on a short leash. What kind of monthly salary are they getting. I was told 3000-500 o last year.

[Shanghai Guide]

Five aces,

These girls and touts are out to make money from you. Not necessarily rob you.

Not really, the "serious" touts and girls have so many other ways to find customers much more easy and for example a sauna will pay up to 100 RMB to a guy who will bring in a new customers, but did you ever have been invited to a "normal" sauna by a tout on the street? I am out nearly every night, and it never happened to me! From my view there is no need for anyone to start to talk with western greenhorns on the street, if he want to find customers for a "normal" deal. There are 1000 times more Chinese customers around, so there is only one reason to pick out the 0,1 % western greenhorns: "easy to rip them off"! Everyone who really will be out to make money will have no reason to waste his time with western guys!

There are only 5 ways that I know about to get girls in China for mongering. 1. Barber shop, massage shop, touts, escort website, we chat type kind of apps. Each one has its own dangers and all of them you can be robbed or arrested. You also can go to Karaoke which in my opinion is the most dangerous way to get robbed.

I can not totally agree to the above words.

First in the listing how to get girls, the sauna clubs and pickup bars are missing.

Second I don't understand how you think people get robbed in a Karaoke? Robbed for you is to pay high rates? Than I can agree, but robbed in my understanding is someone threaten or blackmail you to pay a fortune that never mentioned before. Every expensive "white" KTV will tell you how much for every service and it's up to you to decide, if it's worth for you or not. The only really "robbing" in Karaoke Clubs will happen in the illegal "black" KTVs, but here we are exactly at the beginning point. No one will ever end up in a "black" KTV, if he follow advertisement on buildings, magazines, forum recommendations and so on. The only way to end up in a black KTV will be to follow a tout on the street who will offer you "sexy girls", cheap drinks, bar very nearby and so on.

And from my experience I also would never ever recommend anyone to follow a tout on the street. I can speak a decent Chinese, and much more important, I have a good friend in a very high position in the Shanghai Police Department, so sometimes I "played the game" to follow touts, pretending first not to speak Chinese and totally act like a "greenhorn" (for example in Xin Tian Di, around Judy's or in Nanjing Lu), just to find out, if I can find new interesting places by that.

And my experience in the last year when I followed guys around 10 times was: I never ended up in a "white" place! Every time I finally ended up in a "black" KTV or Massage Club. never any reasonable service has been offered to me and 6 times I already called my police friend and kept him on phone just to "open" a way out without getting robbed, beated up or something like that.

I have to limit, however, that I did not use your filter of "only walking distance", but for me it's hard to believe that anyone can be so lucky to find good places by that and I tried it 10 times without being lucky even one time (but same time got in very dangerous situations 6 times. And I talk about being in trouble with violent criminals), so I would never ever advice anyone who don't know how to handle it to follow a tout in Shanghai.

And for the risk evaluation I would prefer a slightly differentiated analysis:

1. Barber shop: Risk of getting catched with trousers down in a raid: not happened even one time with a western guy last year / Risk to get overcharged (means more than agreed): never happened in any normal shop you pass by and go in / Risk to get robbed or blackmailed or threats of violence: never heard about that in a Barbershop.

2. Massage shop: Risk of getting caught with trousers down in a raid: not happened even one time with a western guy last year / Risk to get overcharged (means more than agreed): never happened in any normal shop you pass by and go in / Risk to get robbed or threats of violence: never heard about that in a "not tout shop".

3. Follow touts: Risk of threats of violence to give out credit card information: I would guess at least 10 to 20 % / Risk to get forced and blackmailed to pay 5. 000 to 30.000 RMB for a short time entertainment: I personally have been informed about around 20 cases last year, so I am sure it happened at least 5 times a day in Shanghai.

4. Escort website: Risk to be overcharged by upselling: Nearly every time / Risk for getting a totally different girl: happen every time you book / Risk to get robbed: never heard about any case over the last year / The risk of being burgled: exist, but low, because girl is "known".

5. We chat type kind of apps: Mix of Escort Website and Touts business, because most of the contacts there will be one of this both "companies".

6. Sauna Clubs: Risk to get caught in a raid: never happened in the last 5 years in Shanghai, as far as I know / Risk for get overcharged: Never / risk to get robbed: Never heard about any case (we talk about the "popular and white" sauna clubs, not the "black" ones where you only will end up by follow the tout!

7. Pickup bars: Risk to get overcharged: every day / Risk to get robbed, black male or threats of violence: Never heard about a case / The risk of being burgled: exist, but low, because girl is "known" and will not risk to get banned from the bar, but happened several times with "free" pickups on the street.

8. Girls Bars (Hostess Bars): Risk to get robbed or blackmailed, threats of violence: never heard about that / Risk to get overcharged: High, they will often cheat with drink bill / Risk for a Credit card fraud: High, happened several times last year.

9. KTV / Karaoke: Risk to get caught in a raid: never happened in the last 5 years in Shanghai, as far as I know / Risk for get overcharged: Never heard about that / Risk to pay a lot: yes, this clubs can be very expensive, but the rates are not a secret, you will know it in advance / risk to get robbed: Never heard about any case (we talk about the "popular and white" KTV clubs again, not the "black" ones where you also will only end up by following a the tout!

So from my point of view it is a really blue-eyed evaluation to say that all this ways have their own risk and and to give the impression that the risk would be even close to equal. From my view you can monger around in Shanghai with a nearly not existing risk by just visiting sauna clubs or you can have a nearly 100 % chance to get in serious trouble just by follow several touts the time you stay here.

I would be willing to bet with everyone here, that we can go to Xin Tian Di together, follow 10 times a tout and he will win 500 Dollar, if none of them will try to rip us off (blackmail, treaten with police or beating us up) for at least 5000 RMB, and I will loose that amount, if we could find 10 times some entertainment for less than 2000 RMB. But I am afraid no one who know the "market" only a little bit will bet against it?

But I totally agree, that speaking the language is helpful! Every time I change to Chinese will blow away more than 80% of the touts, because than they are afraid I know the market and I will not be the kind of guy who easily will be scared and willing to pay, so they immediately give up. Second the touts will be much more scared you are able to leave the club and call the next police guys around over, if you will be able to communicate with them. I even one time could listen to a quarrel, where my "tout" has getting in serious trouble with the manager of a black KTV, because he brought a guy in, who could speak Chinese and would be able to cause too much trouble to the club. Than the manager came back, excused to me, tried to explain all as a "misunderstanding" and guided me personally out. So from my experience it's never a mistake to speak the local language, but I also don't think there is anyone here around who really think it's not an advantage to have language skills for mongering!

[TomSf]

How many times do you see a male tourist being set up by a tout on Nanjing Lu. If you interfered you would quickly find out they are a gang not just one person.

It needs to be said over and over not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. Never.

That includes females or innocent seeming young girls just wanting to practice their English.

They are all there to rob you, not to welcome you to China. Some or most are willing to hurt you.

If you want to be robbed and maybe hurt as well then go with the nice touts. If you want to have a good time at a fair rate then read the forum and find out where.

To go.

Five Aces,

When you say "not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. " That is a general statement and that is not always true. This is mongering and mongering is dangerous. I have went with many touts and never had any problems and yes I can speak OK Mandarin. Now there were touts that I refused to go with. Like if they told me it was farther than walking distance and I would have to get in a car ect. I have been attacked on this board before because I say learning to speak some Chinese will not only help you from getting over charged but can help you get out of trouble if you do get in trouble. Minimum have a paper with some words that can help if you get into trouble. There will be not enough time for a translator on phone. But, I don't want another talk about speaking the language and how non Chinese speaking guys claim they effortlessly coast trouble China and never have and issues with language. That is them. I am referring to the rest of the people.

These girls and touts are out to make money from you. Not necessarily rob you. There are only 5 ways that I know about to get girls in China for mongering. 1. Barber shop, massage shop, touts, escort website, we chat type kind of apps. Each one has its own dangers and all of them you can be robbed or arrested. You also can go to Karaoke which in my opinion is the most dangerous way to get robbed.

[Shanghai Guide]

I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A few of these reasons are:

The employer takes the girls ID card
The employer threatens to inform the girl's parents, relatives, village of her occupation.
The BF back in the village has promised to marry her as soon as she earns a certain amount of money
The girl has been deliberately introduced to drugs and now has a dependency on them
An 'Auntie' or relative has introduced her to the business and basically controls the girl
The girl has become dependent on, and controlled by, a cockroach
The girl owes money to the employer (training, uniforms, fines etc)

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
^{"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"}

I have a lot of contacts in the sauna and escort scene here in Shanghai, and in this "working field", there is nearly no "pressure" from the company to keep them to stay or or beeing a "sex slave" of the company or business owner. For example the Sauna clubs pay salary every 10 days, the girls can leave when ever they want, just will loose the part of the salary they did not get yet, very less additional will have a deposit in the value mentioned here before (not more than 2000 RMB normally), and that is not really something can keep a girl into the sauna business, if she don't want, because that's what she make in 2 or 3 days. I just had a talk some days ago with a owner of a big sauna, and he told me, they had to rise up their rate, just because girls will move to other places, where they can get some more money, so if he want to keep the good ones in his club, he has to pay them some more, otherwise they leave, and I know many girls left the sauna business to do something else, go home or work as an escort and no one get any problem for that. At least not here in Shanghai.

And for escort it's even more "free". I never meet any agency who work with employed staff. All girls are "freelancer", the only pressure they will have is, that the agencies will not give them customers any more, if they will not be available too often or act in a way, that the customer complain, but there is no further "pressure" from their "company". Not like known from Beijing, where girls often "prisoned" in a company appartment, only allow to go out if they have customers, than even driven there with company car and driver, not allowed to own mobile phones, the passport is taken by the boss and so on.

I would guess it's different in Shanghai, because the "officals" don't care the same for "prositution" like in Beijing, so the "risk" to get prisones for the boss is much lower in Shanghai, so no need for him to "control" the business and girls so much. And I guess no boss in Shanghai will risk getting problems because of trafficking, because this will cause much more serious problems soon, compared with just running a sauna or escort business.

The point from my view is, under which conditions you will call a girls a "sex slave". For example in Germany prostitution is legal, but forced prostitution is still a crime.

Now it will happen, that people will call 80% of the deals in Germany "forced prostitution", because they define it as that, if a girl is in a economy situation, that she (think she) will have to work as a prostitute for getting enough money. If you define it like that, than every working girl in China is a "sex slave", just because she is a "slave of money" (like many Chinese people), and there is definitly no similar way for a (often uneducated) girl to make even 20% of the money she can get as a working girl in any other job she can get.

For example I meet a escort girl who worked independent and than stopped to go back to "regular" life. She came back to our page after some weeks and told me, she stopped escort before, because she did not feel good to be "fucked" by so many "bad" guys. Than she started to work in a office and found out, that she need to work 10 times more for 10% of the money and she also told me: "now I have 2 managers who also "fuck" me in a way I don't like several times a week. Not "fuck" my pussy, but "fuck" my brain, so nothing getting better at all"!

So from my view most of the girls in this business just do it, because they get much more money than for every other job. Even in a Barbershop, the girls will not have less than 20.000 RMB a month, in a sauna not less than 30.000 RMB, if they are "models", they will not make less than 60 000 RMB. So we talk about a 16 to 20 years old (often contryside) girl who make more than 10.000 US Dollars a month, and that in a area where many high educated engineers will go home with less than 2. 000 US Dollars!

So the "dream" of most of the girls will be, to work in a sauna for some years, save a lot of money and than go back in her hometown and start her own business like a restaurant or cloth shop. And with less than 25 years she could have 500.000 US Dollars savings already, and with that she could start a great life in her hometown.

Unfortunally it nearly never work like that. So I agree to the above listing regarding to the "enviroment" pressure. There are many external influences that will destroy their planing:

- The business is hard (no regular "scedule", many hours working a day, having sex several times a day and so on), so many girls will be drug addicted very fast (especially meth / ice) and some of the girls spend thousands of US Dollars for that every month.

- All around the sauna girls you will find "lovescammer" who pretend beeing a boyfriend (which many girls yearning for), but they only want to get as much money as possible.

- Many girls support their families at home (who pretend to believe she can send them 30 to 50 K a month just by normal working in Shanghai. What a fuck!

And beside all that "pressure", there are also many working girls, who just enjoy a very comfortable luxury life by a "unmoral", but very "lazy" lifestyle. Luxury goods, many free time for party, just for some "overnights" every month! I have a escort friend, she is 28 years now, driving a new Mercedes Sports Car here in Shanghai, bought a new big appartment (paid already), only wear brand clothes and accessories, enjoy luxury overseas holiday every year and so on. So she is far away from a "sex slave", but she has no motivation to think about doing another job. Some "expensive" part time girls on our page make 5000 RMB a month in their normal job and just enjoy the extra budget of 10 or 20.000 RMB a month just for having a short sex session from time to time.

For all the guys here who do not believe that girls can make so much money by that, I have to say that this is a typical "western thinking". I can feel the different thinking often in this forum, where every guy who talk about "higher rate entertainment" will be "blamed" for his foolishness and called a greenhorn, because here in this forum 90% of the posts try to find the "cheap sex" deals.

But as mentioned in my previews postings already, chinese guys are much more generous for that, because spending a lot for a girl is already a good way for a chinese guy to show he is rich and successfull, same like many (western) guys drive a expensive car to show they have money. So while western guys complain about the service and price ratio by spending 1980 RMB in a sauna for 60 minutes and only one pop (and no blowjob), chinese guys will just do it and tell everyone, that they spend 2000 to fuck a pretty model, and all will be impressed that he could afford that (while all western guys will be shocked how he could be so stupid).

So from my view (at least in Shanghai) there is no need to feel guilty if you "play" with a working girl, you will nearly never support a "bad" boss who force girls into the working business! Honestly, I only met less than 5 girls who work for "fun" , but I would guess nearly all the time (of course, there may be exceptions) you will support a girl to have the life she decided to live for herself and not forced into by others!

[Ikksman]

I have received a number of PMs to "ignore the bullshit posts". You guys are correct, I should ignore them. No sense in giving them more publicity and clogging up the Shanghai forum with lengthy threads where the BSers tirelessly attempt to defend their BS.

Cheers.

Ikksman
^{"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"}

[Fuzimiao]

I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A few of these reasons are:

The employer takes the girls ID card

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Perhaps in Changping in the time of Cronin, but in Shanghai the only form of coercion is the fact that the girl must put down a deposit (normally of 2000 rmb), and must give one or two full months notice, when quitting, otherwise the security bond is lost.

Recently I am aware of several MP's where girls can buy in for a ten percent stake in the business, this also makes it difficult for them to move on!

In all cases the original owner retains more than 50%.

[SE Asia Joe]

I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. ...........
In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
^{"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"}

Whilst I most times agree with our POV, I must take an exception this time.

I have had the privilege (or is it ignominy) of quite intimately knowing too many of our Chinese courtesans and have formed a rather different POV. Oh sure, there are of course quite a few of these girls who falls under your characterization, but I'the suggest that these definitely do NOT form the majority – especially those more "seasoned. "

Chinese girls are not as naive and / or helpless as you seem to think they are; and I'd venture to say that the majority are in the profession of their own free will. Now, whether such "free will" is rational or not, given their propensity for being overly filial (to parents) and being too subservient to their husbands / BF, is of course subject to interpretation.

Yes, a lot of the "first timers" had been cheated by BF's, recruiters and even traffickers, and subject to constrictions as ID card confiscation, made drug dependent, blackmail etc. As you describe, but this usually do NOT last for long and either she goes back home chastened, or else instead go back out on her own to work.

And yes, some of these stories are quite harrowing, but I really think you do not give enough credit to the spirit of the Chinese lasses. I even know a girl who got "sold" by her supposed BF for a mere RMB 4,000 to an operator of a Jiangmen drug den and made drug dependent; and even though she is a very good looking girl, she mostly just accompanied clients to take drugs and most times sex did not even enter in the equation and regular physical beatings to keep her in line was also on the menu. That's how hard-core the situation she found herself in, but after over a year, she got the courage to just walk-out, slept on the streets for over a month whilst going cold turkey, and went to Chang Ping to start working at a regular KTV. Just like that, and I can tell you many other stories, mostly involving useless BF's and over-demanding parents, but mostly just illustrating their "free-will. ".

Only IMHO of course, but I really cannot agree to your postulation that most Chinese WG's are "not free to leave. "

SEAJ.

[Ikksman]

{S N I P} China is a big place and unless she is a sex slave she is free to leave and work somewhere else.

I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A few of these reasons are:

• The employer takes the girls ID card
• The employer threatens to inform the girl's parents, relatives, village of her occupation.
• The BF back in the village has promised to marry her as soon as she earns a certain amount of money
• The girl has been deliberately introduced to drugs and now has a dependency on them
• An 'Auntie' or relative has introduced her to the business and basically controls the girl
• The girl has become dependent on, and controlled by, a cockroach
• The girl owes money to the employer (training, uniforms, fines etc)

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
^{"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"}

[Five Aces]

Pukimonster,

Please don't attack this guy with names. He wrote a review. If it ended badly then it is a learning experience for all of us.

How many times do you see a male tourist being set up by a tout on Nanjing Lu. If you interfered you would quickly find out they are a gang not just one person.

It needs to be said over and over not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. Never.

That includes females or innocent seeming young girls just wanting to practice their English.

They are all there to rob you, not to welcome you to China. Some or most are willing to hurt you.

If you want to be robbed and maybe hurt as well then go with the nice touts. If you want to have a good time at a fair rate then read the forum and find out where.

To go.

[ShanghaiNemo]

Your answer is above.

18 is out of town. She is mid to late 20's. No fat ass, smaller chest but not terribly small. My standards are high and she meets them.

Sam.

Thanks Sam, I appreciated your answer. Surely they gave me a fake 18!

[Faceless78]

I looked at your posts from Germany FKK and Paris; I think it's fair to say that you are very unique to most posters here on ISG, in that you have no problem paying insanely high amounts of money for your prostitutes. The prices you are quoting above, in Shanghai, are nothing less than ridiculous to all but the very wealthy. But good for you, I guess. My troubling question is what's with the PM needed? It's a website, that obviously wants to find wealthy (or stupid) clients; you claim no ties to them, so why not just post a link?

Ah, yes, I thought about one minute about posting that contact information here, but, as I mentioned.

That's QQ number, if suddenly tons of strangers come to him, I don't think he'll accept the requests. Its not like an escort site, everyone can look at the page and make a phone call.

And I'm not sure I'm among the rich, I just spend the money on where I like, I don't have many other interests. And as I explore more and more, I realize insane rich people are everywhere.

It was just a friendly proposal, anyone interests in or not, doesn't make any difference to me.

[Braquo]

Today I paid a visit to Royal Spring sauna and booked their model girl, S1. Announced price: 1880 RMB / hour.

For the location, it is already well known, nearby the fake market on Nanjin Rd.

As for the girl, obviously the pictures are much better than in real life. I did not ask for her age and I'm not sure about her name (we exchanged wechat contacts).

Stats:

Occupation: Model.

Height: 1,70 m at least.

Weight: 45 kg I guess, very thin.

Breast: A, with big nipples.

Body: very thin, no fat (one little scar on right side of belly).

Ass: not to flat. But no round enough and skin breaks on it.

Pussy: natural, not shaved.

Service: 5/10 (no kiss, no DATY, no fingering).

Retry: Probably but not in the sauna.

The session.

Booked S1 in the taxi, so she was ready when I arrived.

She is wearing a long dress that is more for a ceremony than to give you a hard on!

Arrived in room, undressed and went to shower. No real discussion since my Chinese is poor. After the shower, we go to the bed and she start with nipples licking (her mouth is wet, so good point) and she moves to BBBJ. The BJ is OK but nothing exceptional. It is wet! I want to switch and go for DATY, but she refused. So I lick her nipples, play with her clit with my fingers but no penetration and no saliva. She takes care of me again, makes me hard, cap me and we start in mish. Since her services are limited to basic sex, my plan is to take my time and come at the end of the session. This is what happened. We had sex for almost 45 min: mish, spoon, doggy, standing up, doggy against the bed. I think she came at least twice since she asked me to stop and catch her breath. She ended up all sweaty although she never went on top!

I finally shoot on her legs while she was licking my nipples.

So was it is good session? Yes in a way she never complained that I did not come fast. But no because her services are rather limited in the sauna. So I will try a meeting outside and see if there is any difference. It will also be cheaper!

[Lao Ma]

For you guys who want to find escorts in Shanghai, you may PM me. I stayed there for 2 years, and found one good reliable agency, who has list of over 100 girls, from students, office lady, models even small tv movie stars. This was the best one I found through hard work and luck!

Before you start to gain interest, I'll explain a little bit for you.

Pros: Huge number, overall high quality, reliable agency, reliable pictures of each girls on website, most of the girls have a real job and quite highly educated, and usually they will satisfied all your need, eg, CIM, DFK， DATY, etc.

Cons: high price as well (one hour from 2000 RMB to 20000, most range BTW 3000-8000), agency fee (it's usually 1000-5000, but included in the total price, which means if you visit the same girl again, the money you pay will be the initial price minus the agency fee), I'm not sure if the reception speak english and they mainly use social tool QQ.

As an example for you, I picked several girls from 2000-5000 before, and my favorite was one 22 girl who has a Japan background. She's 4 K, agence takes 1 k, so the money went to her was 3 k. I usually visited her for 2 hours with 4. 5 k. And last month I check she's still on the clock.

At last, I don't have any relations with this agency, actually I have left Shanghai, and spent my past years in Paris. So now I'm exploring the wonderland of europe, and just accidentally entered this one.

I looked at your posts from Germany FKK and Paris; I think it's fair to say that you are very unique to most posters here on ISG, in that you have no problem paying insanely high amounts of money for your prostitutes. The prices you are quoting above, in Shanghai, are nothing less than ridiculous to all but the very wealthy. But good for you, I guess. My troubling question is what's with the PM needed? It's a website, that obviously wants to find wealthy (or stupid) clients; you claim no ties to them, so why not just post a link?

[Faceless78]

For you guys who want to find escorts in Shanghai, you may PM me. I stayed there for 2 years, and found one good reliable agency, who has list of over 100 girls, from students, office lady, models even small tv movie stars. This was the best one I found through hard work and luck!

Before you start to gain interest, I'll explain a little bit for you.

Pros: Huge number, overall high quality, reliable agency, reliable pictures of each girls on website, most of the girls have a real job and quite highly educated, and usually they will satisfied all your need, eg, CIM, DFK， DATY, etc.

Cons: high price as well (one hour from 2000 RMB to 20000, most range BTW 3000-8000), agency fee (it's usually 1000-5000, but included in the total price, which means if you visit the same girl again, the money you pay will be the initial price minus the agency fee), I'm not sure if the reception speak english and they mainly use social tool QQ.

As an example for you, I picked several girls from 2000-5000 before, and my favorite was one 22 girl who has a Japan background. She's 4 K, agence takes 1 k, so the money went to her was 3 k. I usually visited her for 2 hours with 4. 5 k. And last month I check she's still on the clock.

At last, I don't have any relations with this agency, actually I have left Shanghai, and spent my past years in Paris. So now I'm exploring the wonderland of europe, and just accidentally entered this one.

[TomSf]

He wrote that he paid the fine.

Some Chinese brand condoms break very easily. I have had a girl break 2 of them just trying to put them on me. I then made her use one of my polyurethane Okamotos which are extremely thin but strong.

You are extremely naive if you think that the girl received any of the 100 RMB. In all probability, she was likely also fined (just another way to extract money from the poor WGs).

He did not risk the girl's health. She risked his health. And again, he paid the 100 RMB (under duress) that they levied because they classified him as a newbie.

Ikksman.

Ikks,

Once again you nit pick conversations trying to find something to complain about. He wrote he paid the 100 RMB so that is not the question. I wrote he should pay because the girl was put at extra risk. But, no one knows her health status so it is possible he was the one at risk. That is a coin toss. When you write " She risked his health? You are assuming the customer is clean. Only his doctor knows and you do not know his health status.

Regarding condoms if you are a tourist and have access to good condoms. You should be bringing your own condoms. I am not a fan of Asian condoms because many are weakly made.

China is a big place and unless she is a sex slave she is free to leave and work somewhere else.