East China - Shanghai

[Member #4689]

She tells me to turn around and asks for 300rmb for special, I tell her that 100rmb, we start discussing and end up with 200rmb (it was my first time, I now know it is expensive), and that she should take of her stockings and shirts, but, guess what, I can not touch nothing. HJ was nice, slow, and everytime I was going to explote, I told her to stop and she did stop, so she was not pushing time.

Thanks for your report, I would also like to have such a lunch break. So did she take off her clothes in the end to massage with her bare legs, from your wording it is not quite clear to me. The services vary a lot, sometimes they 'climb' on top to massage you with their smooth legs, other times they 'only' do HJ. Prices vary a lot too, some gals are OK with RMB100 but most will refuse and go for RMB200 (note: I am talking about the 'SPAs', not the BBS variety). I also try get FS sometimes, but only succeeded once for. RMB400. Of course I knew this is way to much, but I just wanted to 'do' her on the spot (very tight) and did not have opportunity/time to go to other places known to offer FS. This was during my orientation period here in Shanghai, so I did not mind to much, but of course the risk of inflation exists. However IMO FS in a SPA/Massage place is not worth it: inflated price (because non-standard service), the lack of proper 'infrastructure' (large bed, often no mirrors), relative unskilled service levels (versus well trained sauna gals) and above all that it is usually not allowed in the place (so hush rush service). But it is nice to try once: while the gal is on the table she kept an eye on the door (forbidden fruit feeling). Best of all was after the act that she told me that the massage place was owned by a police officer! No kidding! This was on Weifang Lu near the river, forgot the nr.

[SE Asia Joe]

Dear SEAJ, if my writing sounded "huffy and indignant", then it missed my intention. I was merely stating that this Shanghai form on ISG is not the most friendly towards so-called newbies. I do not know the reason for that, but it is a fact when comparing to the 'other' well known forum or other non-english forums on on hobby. While I agree (as I wrote) that one should do his homework by extensive back-reading I find the general approach here towards newbies often patronizing, I. E. As if some members are superior due to the fact that they have written more or joined earlier etc. One should not assume that 'newbies' are without experience, they could have chosen not to write so extensively (for whatever reason) or their mongering experience is mainly outside Shanghai. Also I learned early on in life that 'C'est le ton qui fait la musique'. Hope I will not be misinterpreted this time and send back into the corner. Ciao.

First my apologies to you as I should not have quoted your particular post as my frustration is with SOME newbies in general.

OTH, I will address the issues you’ve brought up – in the hope that we can once and for all put this irritating AND recurring matter to rest. (yeah – right! Dream on!)..

OK, first my definition of a newbie:
- Anyone who has NOT previously/only recently starts to post on the China boards.

My several definitions of an irritating newbie:
- Comes on here with an attitude that we all owe it to him to reply.
- And then throwing this old nonsense about how we’re all supposed to be sharing information - irregardless if he’s done so himself or not. We’ve all had experience with how some of these newbies would come on and practically take the tone as if he’s dealing with the wait staff.
- Start off the bat by telling us all what we should or should not do.
- Berate us when he doesn’t get the answer to what he’s asking… Pronto!! Yeah – right, his time is the only one valuable – and then coming on and stating something like – Yeah, the time you took to tell me to RTFF, you could/should have spent answering me instead.
- Don’t bother to do much/any RTFF (quite obvious most times) and asking stupid/easily answered by RTFF questions.
- (Guys – please feel free to – and do - add your own definition of the irritating newby!!)

On your assertion that “….they could have chosen not to write so extensively (for whatever reason)..” What, we’re supposed to give information to one and all even though he’s not done his part to share information. Why?? Why should we?? If we’re being paid to do so, then yes, but otherwise…..??!!

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that good mongering by foreigners in China is not as easily attainable as at other “sex destinations” for the Powers that be in China certainly do NOT want China to be known as a sex destination. Yes, this trade is rampant here – but it’s more as a necessity/inevitability and allowed/caters for the locals, NOT for the foreigner. This being so, we on the China boards ARE wary of sharing too much information as we highly suspect that the LE is monitoring our boards. When a place/provider gets too well publicized amongst foreigners, invariably something happens to it.

OK – what is my definition of a good newbie and one deserving of answers:
- Has paid Jackson the $19.95 subscription and would/could ask his question by PM’s to us.
- Has done his homework and RTFF, and only then coming on to ask sensible and adequately researched questions.
- Has a track record of posting up good and informative posts in the past.
- Do come back on to report his experiences here.
- Put up a post introducing himself first.

And I always like to point newbies to Sammy T’s great advise post to Newbies http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=932174

SEAJ

[Eaglestar]

From a guy with ZERO posts. Nothing, natta, zilch

Margao
Regular Member
Reports: 0

HI!
Hi, I am in SH and would love to get in touch with her. Could you email me her contact?

Thanks a bunch!

Want to guess my reply??

Try this for my reply.............."Read my post!!!!!......not a chance I will send to you"

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[Dr Maligno]

I have been several times at a MP next to the Renaissance hotel in Pudong, as it is very convenient, as my office is about 10min walk from there. First time I went there, I was in the office and needed a "brake" so went out walking to see if I found something, and saw this SPA, went in and asked for prices, oil massage 60min is almost 300RMB, it was my very first experience, so I had no idea, so, I said, why not, get in the room, and the mamasan tells me that special massage 100RMB. Room nice, with shower inside. My massage lady comes in, nothing special, I had no choice, I would say it was a 5, quite big for asian standards. Get a shower, and she gives me a type of pijama. Massage starts, it is OK, and then she starts massage near the ass, I start getting horny and and I start lifting my ass, so that she can have better access to everything. She tells me to turn around and asks for 300rmb for special, I tell her that 100rmb, we start discussing and end up with 200rmb (it was my first time, I now know it is expensive), and that she should take of her stockings and shirts, but, guess what, I can not touch nothing. HJ was nice, slow, and everytime I was going to explote, I told her to stop and she did stop, so she was not pushing time.

After massage had a shower and back to work, in a much more efficient way

I have repeated this place one more time, and had tthe same, could not choose, experiences was more or less as first time, but I would like to try new girls.

[Member #4689]

RTFF or not to RTFF!!

And then for the rest of the newbie community come out and tell us guys who do try to contribute by sharing our experiences etc that we're too rude?

It's OK for the newbies to get all huffy and indignant at our "rudeness"?

Yeah.... right!!

SEAJ

Dear SEAJ, if my writing sounded "huffy and indignant", then it missed my intention. I was merely stating that this Shanghai form on ISG is not the most friendly towards so-called newbies. I do not know the reason for that, but it is a fact when comparing to the 'other' well known forum or other non-english forums on on hobby. While I agree (as I wrote) that one should do his homework by extensive back-reading I find the general approach here towards newbies often patronizing, I. E. As if some members are superior due to the fact that they have written more or joined earlier etc. One should not assume that 'newbies' are without experience, they could have chosen not to write so extensively (for whatever reason) or their mongering experience is mainly outside Shanghai. Also I learned early on in life that 'C'est le ton qui fait la musique'. Hope I will not be misinterpreted this time and send back into the corner. Ciao.

[Dr Maligno]

Hi guys!

Just registered in the forum. I have been living in shanghai for a year know, and just by chance found the forum. I have been participating in other forums in Europe, so, I perfectly know what it is like to have new members only asking and not contributing, but, something that from a personal point of view is the most important thing is not what is said but how it is said. I understand that senior members do not like newers, but the value of a forum is based on the information that can be shared between of all us. I think that it takes exactly the same time to write a polite mail, than a rude one, so, all my mails are based on respect and politeness to all the people of the forum.

I will post several experiences and places I have been lately, hoping that it will be of everyone's help! as i assume that this is what a newcomer must do as a start, to win the right to ask and be answered.

I have gone through quite some bit of the forum, and must say that it contains some very valuable information, and will start giving those locations a try.

Hope that I will be able to actively participate with some interesting info!

[SE Asia Joe]

RTFF or not to RTFF!!

Believe that I contributed to starting this recent discussion.

BUT, please do read what I did write:
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=1019228

YES, I am telling Hungry expat to RTFF - but please note that it's within the context of answering his questions specifically and pointing him out to the right post to RTFF. What - this is too rude? What, we're all supposed to actually write out the answer to all questions by a newbie too lazy to RTFF? What only his time is valuable? And then for the rest of the newbie community come out and tell us guys who do try to contribute by sharing our experiences etc that we're too rude?

It's OK for the newbies to get all huffy and indignant at our "rudeness"?

Yeah.... right!!

SEAJ

Agree with Bonzo and Asianatic, I am following several mongering forums on Shanghai (in different languages !) and noticed that the ISG Shanghai forum is quite 'agressive' to newbies or 'general' questions. Of course it is annoying when the same questions pop up again and again or very general ones like 'I will be in Shanghai on XXX, staying in XXXhotel, could you give me some advice etc..). Such questions show indeed unpreparedness or laziness and bother most members. When I started to follow this very informative forum (credit where it is due) I did quiet some back reading. Since I lived in Shanghai some 15 years ago, when things looked very different from todays' cosmopolitan atmosphere (!), I was interested how the mongering scene developed over time. Funny enough back then I did not monger, nor had my little spy-eye open for such places of ill repute :-). But now - older, sadder and wiser - is different. So I learned valuable things for this forum and hope to contribute in time as well. I do not wish to offend anyone, but also hope the general tone of conversation could be more brother-like and show respect to others. In the end we all share the same interest.

Thank you!

[Eaglestar]

One of my MILF freebies is back in play and I am not in SH to service her.

She is now 44 but still looks damn good.

Any Senior, highly contributing members can PM me for her web site profile.

I post a couple of pix I took about 4 years ago


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[Asianatic]

You have been a member since 2004. You have been to all these places and very little reports ( 57 ) , not much contribution. Now you want information from other members.

I think you have not read my post in detail sir :

Well, I will travel to the hunting grounds of Shanghai anyway and express my experience broadly here upon my return. Being it positive or negative.
I believe it can be fun to check things out by myself on the spot.

I was'nt asking for information, I just rolled back 20 pages and did not found an answer. I said in my previous post that I wont ask it here because I know the answer will be : RTFF.

[Thomas Jefferson]

The fundamental issue that frustrates both those who ask questions and those who answer them is that a forum is not the ideal way to present information that most newbies are looking for. A forum has a conversational presentation that is great for discussing issues of the day but bad for sharing slowly changing data. Chronological organization buries things 20 pages back and there is no way do develop any kind of centralized consensus document.

It would be so much better to have a Wiki page for each destination and keep the forum for conversations. For an example see http://wikitravel.org/en/Shanghai.

Never heard of the "report of dístiction" section. This is our China "wiki". When I was a newbie, I found all information in there. The normal section, I used for daily updates.

Try it out, it works.

Thomas Jefferson

[J Falcon]

The fundamental issue that frustrates both those who ask questions and those who answer them is that a forum is not the ideal way to present information that most newbies are looking for. A forum has a conversational presentation that is great for discussing issues of the day but bad for sharing slowly changing data. Chronological organization buries things 20 pages back and there is no way do develop any kind of centralized consensus document.

It would be so much better to have a Wiki page for each destination and keep the forum for conversations. For an example see http://wikitravel.org/en/Shanghai.

[BionicMan]

If no newbies will/can get informed, this forum will be a boring source soon with just a handfull of mongerers that keep repeating the same stuff about the same establishments.
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Let me say that if the newbies RTFF indeed they are referred to the usual locations.
On the other hand, novelties get in too and RTFF helps in finding a new locations, freshly reported.
If the locations are always the same and repeated, fair enough, it means that it will not need too much time to RTFF.,
Either way, RTFF is a learning proces and one will find 80% of his answers replied, maybe even well elaborated than in one only report.

[Weelock]

I did'nt experienced this on other sub-forums such as the Indonesian, Thai, Philippine, Peruvian, Kenyan, Brazilian, you name it, ..... just here at the Shanghai forum.

You have been a member since 2004. You have been to all these places and very little reports ( 57 ) , not much contribution. Now you want information from other members.

[Weelock]

If you not expert on Shanghai or not godfather then why you post in Shanghai or stop people post in Shanghai? Many people post a lot in Shanghai no information and make reading hard, one page full of posts no information.

AG? I know him many year ago when he living in Tokyo. He teach me how to play in Tokyo when I am small only 18. But long time no see him and no in touch with him. I think he never post anymore or not stay in Shanghai anymore? I post in his forum and hope he reply.

Thank you.

You have been a member since 2005 and only 10 post ?

I read one of your old post. In business don't expect every Chinese lady translators to act as erotic escort in China.

Since you know AG, send him a PM.

[Weelock]

To newbies, what ever info is given out now, it might not be current and up to date because of LE. Many places have been shutdown because of the Expo. Very few places are left for mongering. It's also extremely dangerous. It's not safe now. LE is also known to monitor this forum and other forums. Next, whatever info is given, is read by hundreds of people. The great Fire Wall of China is opened.

Look at Beijing for the last month. Many BBS, saunas and KTV are closed. Every single week things change so fast.

Just like when the Canton Fair starts in Southern China, the same thing happens. All these newbie asking for info and then disappearing when the Fair is over. They ruin things and disappear when it is over.

Suggest using the search forum first....then PM. Don't expect to get any replies if you are not a senior with creditability or someone that is not referred.