East China - Shanghai

[BionicMan]

Can you elaborate more on your friend's KTV scam ?

Thanks...

Usual story..... nothing new on planet earth when little head prevails on big head.
he follows a tout, go to some bar/ktv joint.
Certainly not the usual and legitimate KTV establishment, most likely a venue type of dodgy bar, proposing the KTV approach, music, a girl with you, drinks, snacks, the girl gets more intimate and they have sex.
The bill comes, outrageous as happens in all scams.
He protests, understands there is not much he can do on the spot, pays (do not know if cash, most likely, or credit card, unlikely as he has family at home).
Goes back to the hotel and share the story with some friends and a local guide brings up the matter to the police with his approval.
Police raids the place and shuts it down.
Police later gets a video, most likely in an anonimous way, of him with a girl in the establishment and clearly showing he had FS with her.
Who knows what "comments" could have been attached to the video, maybe turning things upside down, maybe allegedly suggesting he has been forcing the girl against her will etc etc
A scam always have escape plans for the scammers to get out clean.
This turns against him as it is then clear there is at least a prostitution law infringement.
Most likely police suggests he can be in serious troubles now.
We know when a foreigner is in jail in those areas, for such an offence, the key opening the door gets lost for quite a while and there is not much your home consulate can do, if they want to do something, seen the type of offence.
Consulates do not want to be seen mixing up and defending certain types of law infringements.
Nevertheless his (overseas based) company, fearing public news damaging also the company reputation, asks for unformal diplomatic support.
The main suggestion they got is to fly him out of the country immediately with no overthoughts.
Within a few hours he is on the first plane out of PRC.
This way the "problem" is removed and the police at that stage will not bother to set a trial for a no-show defendant.
Certainly he will not better show up at PRC immigration.
Having the company saved their face, the guy's ass and kept all quiet, sends then the "bill" to the employee once back home: he is fired with immediate effect having risked to damage the company image through unlawful behaviour.
Not given another appointment within the company, no!
Simply given his papers to walk home and not show up anymore at the company gates.
Jobless after 20 years of work in that place.
I do not know how he has been handling this with the family and whether they ever got any rumour about what happened in PRC.
Gotta be very careful when playing with fire.
There are already quite some risks nowadays, as we can read here, visiting legitimates venues such as well known saunas.
But falling in a scam is the recipe to serious troubles.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Has anyone been to Bourbon Street or Zapatas lately that can update me. I will be in Shanghai in 2 weeks

Was in both late May

Bourbon St now an absolute dead loss - do not waste your time.

Zapatas appears to get busier and busier. Wed night is still ladies night - so crowded - hard to get through the crowd and almost impossible to get a drink at times.

W.h.o.r.e.s are there - I never ever do any good in that place - I have wasted hours on occasions on Ruskies and Latinos who eventually ask the world for a night - the Chinese qualitry there I have never found to be any good.

IMHO - I still think Manhattan is best bet in Shanghai - others will disagree.

[Canada]

Has anyone been to Bourbon Street or Zapatas lately that can update me. I will be in Shanghai in 2 weeks

[Canada]

Go to any regular pharmacy in Shanghai and you can buy Cialis or Viagra. Some don't speak English but if you look in their displays you will see it.

[Beard]

Hi there Forum...first time posting after having searched it a couple of times to check out the scene here in China. I don't visit that often so its not been too necessary. This is the first time I will be here by myself for a number of weeks (already spent two up north with gal). Oh and more than happy to wing with anyone.

To the report!

Can't remember which chap posted the excellent directions to 999 but they were spot on.

Not having visited Saunas/Massage parlours here in Asia I hadn't read much about the process. However, if your new, it might help your nerves if you just pretend you don't give a f**k about being naked in front of a group of guys waiting to towel you off.

I speak a little chinese so can sort of get by, so that might have helped in telling them, okay, I'm a big boy I can towel myself.

So, clothes, phone etc in the locker.

Shower in an open area (whilst almost being watched). I guess this area is if you have chosen a non sex non soapy massage as its superfluous otherwise.

Then with your "number" (on the tag to the locker) , a big pair of shorts and yakuta style top (think karate gi) you then get lead upstairs to the viewing room.

I had to surpress a chuckle at the viewing room. It reminded me of the Bruce Lee flick where he goes to the island to fight.

The room is a dark room and when you enter on one side of the room a blind raises, showing another room with the girls standing in their grundigs (pants and bras). That room is brightly lit.

Tip. Don't stand to near the window if you don't want them to see you. Its not a one way window as far as I can tell.

Now this was One O'clock in the afternoon on a Wed (yesterday) and there were approx 12 Girls standing there. Overall roughly 7's. Didnt see any better but that could be my inexperience.

I chose number 806 who I felt had nice eyes and a good smile. Plus she had a good rack (well okay.. not massive but perky).

Led to the room by the girl, enjoyed sitting on the seat naked, getting cleaned. Was surprised to have my arsehole cleaned. Quite thoroughly by the girl.

She asked me if it was my first time here in the joint, and i replied yes, but that a friend had recommended it and told me all about it. (a good idea because then she knows that I will know what will happen etc)

So, after the clean, here comes the soapy. Interesting. The licking thing? interesting sensation... equally was the rimming.. wow. not experienced that before. She spent quite some time there too.

Lots of spitting though LOL. cant say I blame her.

Right..

to the action.

after the clean up, she asked me to chose the clothes. I chose the netting. Nice look.

Blow job with water blah blah BBBJ that is, which I almost asked to be covered but my balls got the better of me.

I was busy touching her pussy whilst she was going down and she was getting wetter and wetter which was a nice indication that she was enjoying something!

Sex was, hmmm okay. Various positions, good effort, not too much fake noises.. finished a bit early and the only thing was that she then lit up a fag (she did offer one) and we chatted for ten minutes. She did try to finish early lol, but the mamasan on the phone said oi, get back!

Then back down to dress in the locker room in front of all those boys.

Damage 680 (which I only confirmed when in the room upstairs .. in an attempt to look like I knew what I was doing when walking in the reception..).

Walked around central part of nanjing etc and was approached by numerous touts... no more or less than ever (having been here seven times in the past seven years)

Went to Wuping (?) lu for the cheap restaurants. many many BBS's there. Didnt go in. Clearly the girls were not busy at that time (around 4 ish) and there wasnt that many in each one. Only one had girls I would consider.

Interestingly at night (9 ish) whilst walking to Renmin Park Station I caught a dude frigging off his girlfriend next to the massive statue... I hung around thinking maybe they'll get off on being watched, they certainly didnt stop.

hmm then went back to hotel in Pudong. Lots of BBS's nearby. Went in for a comparison.

Don't bother is my reply. They will try to get 400RMB out of you straight away.

Still the chicken I did select was nice enough.

I'll be here for a number of days and would love to have some to show me some decent places.

I hope that although I have not used all the right acronyms that this report is good enough.

Gratitude to all of you that right reports as it is very helpful.

One question, anyone got a decent place to sit, drink coffee? surf net (wifi?) and check out girls? Going to try a couple of the starbucks but not sure which one is best?

Thanks

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[No Will]

Anyone know how to get Viagra or cialis in shanghai.

I am stuck for three months.

Will be in Shanghai Aug 4??

[No Will]

Where can I get some viagra or cialis in Shanghai. I am from NY and have no Chinese doctor?

I am staying in Tianjin for three months and will need a good supply.

I am in Hongqui area hotel August 4.

Help!!!

[Phillyhk]

I had an 18 hr layover last night, and with the weather and all decided not to venture out. Instead called a "Philly" I met in Manhattan a few month ago. she came to the hotel and I took her out to dinner and had a nice time.
Back to the room and it was okay, but not knock your socks off. She said she came twice, and was tired and wanted to service me in the morning. I "convinced" her that wasn't a good idea....but maybe it should have been.

We had an interesting conversation and she told me that things are really slow for her.....fewer clients and a LOT of new girls in town, because of visa problems getting into Hong Kong and Singapore.

Also in the FWIW section, she said that many of the Philly girls prefer to get paid in USD, because then they don't have to do a currency exchange to send the money home.

I might use this to get a better price...we will see.

BE back in town on Friday. I may give her another shot or head to Red Bean to hear the band and check out the new talent in the clubs next door!

Hey Skyrider,

I am glad you called a regular. It is definitely not safe in Shanghai at the moment. I called one of the mamasan at one of the massage joints I frequent and and she said most of the girls have either gone home, gone freelance or moving between joints so regularly. Therefore it is handy to keep some phone numbers handy on some of the more reliable servicers that I can call on. It is much safer as I can call them up, take them out to dinner, get to know them a bit better and have a good laugh and end up with some fantastic sex with bit of GFE. The beauty of it is that hotels seems to be much safer nowadays as you know the girl can spend the whole night with you without getting caught. I am definitely calling one of my regulars again when I head up there next week.

[Sky Ryder]

I had an 18 hr layover last night, and with the weather and all decided not to venture out. Instead called a "Philly" I met in Manhattan a few month ago. she came to the hotel and I took her out to dinner and had a nice time.
Back to the room and it was okay, but not knock your socks off. She said she came twice, and was tired and wanted to service me in the morning. I "convinced" her that wasn't a good idea....but maybe it should have been.
We had an interesting conversation and she told me that things are really slow for her.....fewer clients and a LOT of new girls in town, because of visa problems getting into Hong Kong and Singapore.
Also in the FWIW section, she said that many of the Philly girls prefer to get paid in USD, because then they don't have to do a currency exchange to send the money home.
I might use this to get a better price...we will see.
BE back in town on Friday. I may give her another shot or head to Red Bean to hear the band and check out the new talent in the clubs next door!

[Weelock]

somebody I know was caught in a "ktv" scam and he reported back to police. Police raided the place, but police also then received a video of the guy removing is filled up condom with the girl in the background, taken in the same establishment.
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Can you elaborate more on your friend's KTV scam ?

Thanks...

[ShanghaiHammer]

somebody I know was caught in a "ktv" scam and he reported back to police. Police raided the place, but police also then received a video of the guy removing is filled up condom with the girl in the background, taken in the same establishment.

Something the police did not like much and that did not turn in favour of the victim. His company saved his ass, by flying him out of the country in 12 hrs, upon strong suggestion of the embassy.

He has been told not to show up again in China as police kept his records.
He has then been fired by his company for what he did.

Hard to tell the family home reasons why you have been flown back home and you lost your job!

So guys, saunas, KTV and bbs are dangerous. What about bring girls into hotel or motel rooms? Do you think police may riad also you in the privacy of your room? At the end of tha day you can alsways say that she is your friend and you rented the room to have some privacy.

What do you think?

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[Huckleberryfinn]

It is always a good idea to RTFF here as you could have avoided this. There are many similar stories here in the archives.

FWIW, the same thing happened to me on my first visit to SH. Once I read the forum here - many moons ago - it was clear that this is a regular SH scam.

Never go with a tout in Shanghai.

Never.

Agreed. Happened to me once. That guy was lucky. I had a few drinks and about 300 Yuan ... and had to fight my way out. Fortunately, most young Chinese kids don't actually know how to fight and I'm just ugly enough to intimadate 'em anyway. One guy chased after me and I held out a 100 RMB note - he stopped and I dropped it on the ground, turned and walked away, not bothering to look back.

Huck

[BionicMan]

Scary! Is there no way to get a visa again after that?!

somebody I know was caught in a "ktv" scam and he reported back to police. Police raided the place, but police also then received a video of the guy removing is filled up condom with the girl in the background, taken in the same establishment.
Something the police did not like much and that did not turn in favour of the victim. His company saved his ass, by flying him out of the country in 12 hrs, upon strong suggestion of the embassy.
He has been told not to show up again in China as police kept his records.
He has then been fired by his company for what he did.
Hard to tell the family home reasons why you have been flown back home and you lost your job!

[Waldeck2]

Sarcosa open this afternoon.

[Softy]

It is always a good idea to RTFF here as you could have avoided this. There are many similar stories here in the archives.

FWIW, the same thing happened to me on my first visit to SH. Once I read the forum here - many moons ago - it was clear that this is a regular SH scam.

Never go with a tout in Shanghai.

Never.

Visited Shanghai for the first time recently and thought I'd write up my experiences.

Had a free night on a recent business trip so thought I'd go out walking around the hotel a bit and seeing if I could score some action. I wanted to avoid the possibility of something bad happening to me so I left all my valuables, credit cards, passport, etc, in my hotel, and took just 200 RMB and my hotel room card key with me and went walking around the nearby entertainment district.

I sized up the scene and chose a small massage place that advertised whole body massage for 50 RMB/hour. I was escorted to a private room and the girl produced another menu that had different options and prices, and recommended the 130 RMB "ethereal oil massage" or whatever saying "it's very satisfying". I thought that was code for "includes happy ending" so I chose it, got naked, and laid on the table. Over the next hour she proceeded to give me an okay-ish normal massage and I kept waiting for the happy ending bit to start, but it never did. She never went anywhere near my happy region and I was too much of an idiot to breach the topic. So in the end she just said "okay, massage over" and left, and I was forced to put my clothes back on and leave unsatisfied, having only 70 RMB left to play with.

I was resigned to the fact that I'd have to go back to the hotel when this guy came up to me and started asking if I want massage/girls/sex. He said the price was 200 RMB. I told him I only have 70 RMB and can I get just a HJ for that price? He said no problem and told me to follow him.

We started walking along the main entertainment street and as long as we were on that one I felt safe, I expected him at any moment to turn to any of the many massage places on the street, but he just kept walking. Eventually I asked him how far away is this place and he said "very near". Bit after that he turned to a deserted side street and started walking along it.

I was having second thoughts by now but for some reason I turned and followed him. I kept looking around me to verify he didn't have accomplices gathering on me to rob me or worse.

Finally he turns and goes into the door of this sleazy establishment. I swallow my misgivings and follow him in, where I'm immediately escorted to a private room with a couch, table and TV. A selection of girls is brought out, I choose the one I want, she sits next to me and we begin chitchatting. Another girl asks me what I want to drink, I tell her I don't want anything to drink.

They find this very odd but I'm adamant that I don't want any drinks. She goes away. I proceed to explain to the girl I just want a HJ for 70 MB. She doesn't know how to deal with this.

The other girl comes back in with a huge plate full of fruits and drinks. I get up and angrily stop her from putting it down on the table, explaining I don't want any of it, I just want a HJ. She gets very angry but eventually leaves.

30 seconds later she re-emerges with drinks in her hands, once again, and this time she won't accept no for an answer, claiming it's a free drink for the girl only (yeah, right). I finally face up to the fact I've been scammed and walk out of the room into the front room of the place.

There's 4 people there including the guy who brought me to the place and another bigger dude. I start to explain "But I told this guy here I only want a HJ and that I only have 70 RMB..." before realizing it's pointless. They're starting to get confrontational now, demanding me to pay up (for what, one might wonder? I hadn't done anything there yet...) and as I explain I only have 70 RMB they start demanding credit cards etc. I take out my 70 RMB, slam them on the counter, tell them that's all I have, no credits cards, no nothing. One of the guys actually pats my pockets to verify this and notices my hotel room card key which is the size and shape of a credit card.

I take it out, wave it at them saying "see? see? It's only a hotel room card key!". At which point they start asking "which hotel? which room?". Now I'm really getting scared; having these people know where I'm staying would be a monumentally bad idea.

So I gather whatever courage I have left, point at the 70 RMB at the counter, say "That's all the money I have; I'm leaving now" and walk out the door, fully expecting for one of them to try to stop me. They don't. I rapidly walk back towards the main street, ready to start running the moment I notice anybody else coming out from the place, but nobody does.

I reach the main street safely and continue my rapid walking all the way back to my hotel. I only feel safe once I'm back in my room with the deadbolt stopping anyone from coming in.

In hindsight, I can't believe how stupid I was. I should've taken some time to do research on China (just reading this forum would've told me all I needed to know to avoid these kinds of problems), and even without that, I should've known better than to trust some random guy on the street and follow him to some out-of-the-way place.

On the other hand, I feel incredibly lucky to having escaped the situation with only the loss of 70 RMB. Much, much worse could've happened. I consider this a very cheap lesson that I'm sure I will never forget. It's so easy to get carried away by the thoughts of nubile young women about to be servicing your every need, if only you follow this nice gentleman here whose going to introduce you to them...The risk doesn't seem that high when you meet him, it's a bright street scene with hundreds of people around after all, what could go wrong?

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