East China - Shanghai

[Fuzimiao]

According to the girls at a "serious" massage shop at Pu-Diang Rd (Pudong), almost all shops with sex service on the streets were raided and closed in the past 3 weeks. Even though their shop is "serious", many customers are afraid to come so their business is bad now.

So be careful!

Business has been dead in the Laoshan Lu, Weifang Lu area since the Olympic shutdown, I heard of days in the past months, when Tequila had less than 1000 rmb takings., with a staff of 15!, this combined with many new smart salons opening in the past year. (and closing)

[Fuzimiao]

Much discussion on why LE stepped on us a few weeks before the Olympics, could this be the reason ?, I think so! This was posted on 25th July 2008, on Cityweekend Shanghai section.

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HOT SEX: The most popular blog post at CW Beijing
What follows is amazing. The most popular article BY FAR on www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing. And for good reason. People come to China for all sorts of reasons. Some come because they love Chinese language and culture. Others come to get rich, others for that noble expat goal of “finding oneself.” Then there is Clandestine782, a “reasonably well-endowed” senior member on the International Sex Guide forums. He came to China for another reason entirely. “I want to have some hot group sex,” writes Clandestine. “My friend and I would like two girls overnight in one room and one bed… I’ve been to many barbershops, but (we want girls that) are younger, tighter, and have marginally better attitudes.”

Expats like Clandestine can find answers to their sex tourism queries on the International Sex Guide forums (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/), an unashamed combination of wikipedia-esque prostitute knowledge and know-how, and a social networking site for likeminded sex “mongers”.

The forum professes to “facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.” To this end, the site offers general information about where members can get the best bang for their buck. This includes information ranging from the price for various services, the specialties of individual prostitutes, and even accounts of negative experiences like that which one poster encountered with a working girl named Hebe. “Her English was good, but her choice of turn-on talk was a little creepy! Example, ‘You are a grandfather! You can be my grandfather and I am your little girl! I am very sympathetic to needs of grandfather!’ Ick!”

Beyond the righteous pursuit of helping sex tourists avoid creepy situations, the International Sex Guide offers assistance to those visitors to China whose language limitations might otherwise impede their ability to get the best possible service. For example, a senior member of the China board posting under the name Moody explains that “bai hu” or “white tiger” is the proper nomenclature when requesting that your prostitute be shaved. Moody also does his best to let mongers know how to break the ice with a working girl. “(Try saying) ‘wo shi chu nan, souyi xiaoxin yi dian’. It means, ‘I’m a virgin man, so be a little careful’. Almost always gets a smile.” Now, why wasn’t that in my Lonely Planet guide?

From opinions on the most passionate working girls (Mongolians) to advice on the best place to go for cheap sex if you are strapped for cash (university English corners), the rest of the site is chock full of helpful tidbits on China’s most stimulating offerings. However, even when posters like Typical Tourist describe their one time lovers with mathematical precision (“the girl from the BBS was a definite 6”), it can be hard for other mongers to really get a clear picture in their mind. Fortunately, the ISG solves this problem by providing premium users with the option to post their own pictures and view those of others. Although forum rules stipulate that you can’t just send in pictures of yourself, posters are encouraged to send in photos of girls they meet in any state of “dress or undress.” One of the more frequent posters, Scribe, attached his recent photos from a trip to Shenzhen with the caption, “Here's a girl from a few days ago. She was overflowing with wobbly bits, but in all the right places. 150 smackeroonies.” One poster, Eaglestar, uploaded pictures of himself actually engaged in sexual congress with a prostitute some decades his junior, writing “This girl absolutely goes bananas in cowgirl (also saves my energy, which at my advanced age is important). Must have had 3 orgasms on top. Damn I love it.”

No other option on the site appears as popular, or as helpful in accomplishing what seems to be one of the primary goals for posters – to sleep with and then compare notes on the same girls as their compatriots. Some may argue that the pictures are no different than run-of-the-mill pornography, but combined with detailed descriptions of cost and service they feel more like Zagat’s restaurant reviews than centerfolds. “They seem to serve like bizarre advertisements to help guys who are interested in finding and sharing the same girls,” notes Amy Sennett, an executive assistant working in Shanghai. “Looking at the threads, these guys seem more interested in meeting up with each other and swapping war stories than in getting to know any women.”

Even Pay, a research fellow based in Beijing, believes sites like the International Sex Guide are symptomatic of a larger issue in China. “Male expats outnumber females by a decent measure here. Conversations run sexual and, without women around, guys tell their dirtiest war stories. If one or two have drunkenly found themselves with hookers, their stories excuse and inspire further indiscretions. Like anything taboo that has been excused within one’s circle, visiting prostitutes can become a sort of bond.”

Whether or not this is true of the expat male population as a whole, the ISG forums certainly offer curious mongers-to-be a readymade social circle that celebrates and facilitates sex tourism. However, don’t think the ISG forums are without policies on morality. Although posting sexual descriptions, explicit pictures and contact information for working girls is encouraged, rules have been put in place banning words like “*****” and “****” that are considered demeaning to women. Members also abide by a strict code. When one poster named Tuscan Man talked about his habit of spending 56,000 RMB a month on prostitutes, others were appalled. One poster called Phill980 went so far as to rebuke Tuscan Man harshly for talking about paying such an obscene amount of money… on The Cheap Sex Thread. “Anybody who is willing to spend more than 300 RMB on a girl a night, should please shut the f*ck up in this section.”

Maybe they should shut the f*ck up all together.
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[BionicMan]

Jackson brilliantly put it right: LE does not need ISG.
Most of the places we rate as mongering location not only are famous, popular, known but are clearly visible from the street. With their signs. More visible to the local (seen the fact they are in chinese) than to us. Period.

What we might want to protect, from time to time and special cases, is the identity of some girl in some country or some circumstances.
Eventough I have some doubts this has to be generalized.
The chances for some girl to be recognized (and as a result her having some personal problems) by someone seeing her on the web are certainly more than being seen by some acquantaince patronizing a venue or mongering at her job place. Nevertheless it is a real small percentage.
I once recognized a couple of (normal) girls I knew on a kinky website as they were photographed sunbathing in topless in a beach. Nothing bad for them, innocent topless on a beach is a normal practice worldwide. What was weird was the website, let's say "visuals erotic oriented".
Would have been "worst" for me to tell them were I saw them rather than "bad" for them (unvoluntary) appearing there

[White Dragon]

Returned to JJ's today and had a great time with no. 29 and no. 85. A good pair, both cute with good bodies. No. 85 from dongbei and the taller of the two. Both haad small but sof breasts. 85 was the more experienced and saucy of the two while 29 more playful and a little shy at times. Soapland shower good, AR and BJ quick but decent enough. Had sex wwith 29 1st then rammed it home with 85. Both felt great but I didn't really last long today. 29 hopped on my back afterwards for a piggy back ride around the room. Fun sexy girls.

29. From xian

Looks: 8

Body: 8-9

Attitude: 8

Performance: 6 (inexperienced)

85. From dongbei

Looks: 8-9

Body: 8

Attitude: 8

Performance: 8

[Wobudong]

That's a given, Jackson. Anyone who's lived in this Country long enough knows that local authorities have their respective cities mapped out better than anyone else. I would still encourage caution during this period to people visiting Shanghai for the first time or are not familiar with the environment. Bottom line. Better safe than sorry.

Cheers,

Wobudong

Nice try, Blacklisted.

With what has just been said about LE potentially snooping in this forum, how wise would it be to start compiling a detailed list?!

As for the horn blowing BS, you should try 151 at Shanxi nan lu and Jianguo lu in Shanghai, or the Rainbow room (ultra high end) and Top Show (local gov. favorite) in Suzhou.

Wobudong

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Hi guys,

Just to put this in perspective:

There is no club, massage parlor, escort service, streetwalker location or other place described on this website that the local police don't already know about, with or without this website. Don't be so naive as to think that local LE doesn't already know what's going on in their town.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Wobudong]

Nice try, Blacklisted.

With what has just been said about LE potentially snooping in this forum, how wise would it be to start compiling a detailed list?!

As for the horn blowing BS, you should try 151 at Shanxi nan lu and Jianguo lu in Shanghai, or the Rainbow room (ultra high end) and Top Show (local gov. favorite) in Suzhou.

Wobudong

While I am suitably impressed with your friendships in high places claim, would it not be of use to others to actually post the names and locations of these rabies infested amazing line up KTV's?

Or is it just horn blowing bullshit?

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Hi guys,

Just to put this in perspective:

There is no club, massage parlor, escort service, streetwalker location or other place described on this website that the local police don't already know about, with or without this website. Don't be so naive as to think that local LE doesn't already know what's going on in their town.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Krinko]

Zhongtan is near Maxdo.

http://www.touch-net.net/nakada/index.htm

There is a coupon here

[Drainaps]

Parasitius,

Without trying to make a dissertation (I'm not qualified anyway as I don't speak the language):

i) If you try to apply Western world logic to China on what's relevant or not, you'll often crash on takeoff. Statistics as you mention them are relevant to your (or my) western mind, but don't extrapolate much....

ii)Appearances (face) count more than facts (and not only in China.......) Acting on leads from here gives face. Anything Lao Wai-related gives double points, as I'm sure you know only too well.

iii) This site has a-grade intelligence. In my experience, it's not just "any site". Maybe the filter has come by by chance, but few chances after that. Sure you have roamed other sites and you have a Senior status here not by chance? Please think twice: if you keep coming here for sources, why they should not?

Besr.

Well maybe you have access or experience I don't know about, but at least from a purely logical standpoint it makes no sense whatsoever and seems extremely self-important and arrogant of everyone thus paranoid (IMHO) that the authorities should be so concerned with this little hub of info and the maybe 200 foreigners in Shanghai who frequent these saunas and maybe 1000 more who partake much more occasionally. (Seriously -- for all my trips to the former village and various saunas over the years and never seeing other foreigners, it is preposterous to estimate the number being a lot bigger than my wild guess. )

Think about this realistically... if they didn't want foreigners to be able to get sex services and that was their goal, it wouldn't take a few days of threats being passed back through pay-off connections before most saunas (of the 1000s) in town would agree to reject the petty 1%(most)-5% of revenues they are seeing from foreign clientel. IF they were so sneaky and so in the know, they would have had a sting meet with Dragon and others by now. None of the things that logically should be happening if the (self important) paranoia were true are happening. All we see is a random unexpected event here and there, probably due to bad relations somewhere in the chain, and there is no way I'm going to believe it is anything more until I see better proof. Look at Tongrenlu, do you honestly think they couldn't close that up if they wanted to keep foreigners from having access to paid pussy?

Do you want to explain to me why this site remained unblocked for ALL of these years until just recently if it really had such amazing 'special' status to the authorities? The fact that it took so long to get blocked clearly shows to me it is in the category of any other RANDOM site on the internet -- eventually the filter folks run into it completely by accident and block it, but no sooner.

[BionicMan]

Well maybe you have access or experience I don't know about, but at least from a purely logical standpoint it makes no sense whatsoever and seems extremely self-important and arrogant of everyone thus paranoid (IMHO) that the authorities should be so concerned with this little hub of info and the maybe 200 foreigners in Shanghai who frequent these saunas and maybe 1000 more who partake much more occasionally. (Seriously -- for all my trips to the former village and various saunas over the years and never seeing other foreigners, it is preposterous to estimate the number being a lot bigger than my wild guess. )

Think about this realistically... if they didn't want foreigners to be able to get sex services and that was their goal, it wouldn't take a few days of threats being passed back through pay-off connections before most saunas (of the 1000s) in town would agree to reject the petty 1%(most)-5% of revenues they are seeing from foreign clientel. IF they were so sneaky and so in the know, they would have had a sting meet with Dragon and others by now. None of the things that logically should be happening if the (self important) paranoia were true are happening. All we see is a random unexpected event here and there, probably due to bad relations somewhere in the chain, and there is no way I'm going to believe it is anything more until I see better proof. Look at Tongrenlu, do you honestly think they couldn't close that up if they wanted to keep foreigners from having access to paid pussy?

Do you want to explain to me why this site remained unblocked for ALL of these years until just recently if it really had such amazing 'special' status to the authorities? The fact that it took so long to get blocked clearly shows to me it is in the category of any other RANDOM site on the internet -- eventually the filter folks run into it completely by accident and block it, but no sooner.

I somehow agree on your "numbers". The foreigners, in a town as Shangai, are a fraction of an appr 20 mill population. The locations are many and mainly cater for a chinese clientele. Certainly they do not know them from ISG. Maybe the authorities do not like certain news about mongering places are spreaded through the internet as put a "bad" light of the town. Thinking about the billions of internet users...all potentially coming to know about the great mongering places in Shangai.
The funny thing is that these places are so obvious for the locals but not for the foreigner. With the experience one can build a sense of identification of certain signs on buildings, but from there to close the stablishement on a road populated by foreigners.... it is quite weird.
There are tens of places - quite "respectable" openly advertising on the bulding, on the hotel front... The authorities do not like the establishments or they do not like the idea the foreign can see a "lot"of these forming an opinion?

A couple of weeks ago I have been in Shangai and went to a sauna, located above a KTV. At some point there were some noises, whilst I was cuddling with the girl in the room. She was alerted, all worried, trying to understand the reason of the noises and telling me "110...110" like the place was being raided (wasn't).
So, certainly something is going on!
Will it, can it last till the end of Expo 2010?
Quite a long time to the deadline, isn't it?
Can those establishments stay close for so long?
"State" reasons may suggest so, authorities do not care..until this action disturbs some other "authorities"....

PS does anybody know the starting and ending dates of the Expo?

[Parasitius]

Well maybe you have access or experience I don't know about, but at least from a purely logical standpoint it makes no sense whatsoever and seems extremely self-important and arrogant of everyone thus paranoid (IMHO) that the authorities should be so concerned with this little hub of info and the maybe 200 foreigners in Shanghai who frequent these saunas and maybe 1000 more who partake much more occasionally. (Seriously -- for all my trips to the former village and various saunas over the years and never seeing other foreigners, it is preposterous to estimate the number being a lot bigger than my wild guess. )

Think about this realistically... if they didn't want foreigners to be able to get sex services and that was their goal, it wouldn't take a few days of threats being passed back through pay-off connections before most saunas (of the 1000s) in town would agree to reject the petty 1%(most)-5% of revenues they are seeing from foreign clientel. IF they were so sneaky and so in the know, they would have had a sting meet with Dragon and others by now. None of the things that logically should be happening if the (self important) paranoia were true are happening. All we see is a random unexpected event here and there, probably due to bad relations somewhere in the chain, and there is no way I'm going to believe it is anything more until I see better proof. Look at Tongrenlu, do you honestly think they couldn't close that up if they wanted to keep foreigners from having access to paid pussy?

Do you want to explain to me why this site remained unblocked for ALL of these years until just recently if it really had such amazing 'special' status to the authorities? The fact that it took so long to get blocked clearly shows to me it is in the category of any other RANDOM site on the internet -- eventually the filter folks run into it completely by accident and block it, but no sooner.

Parasitius,
I'm sorry to say you don't know them well enough if you doubt what Beijing Fox or I are saying. They're obsessed with intelligence from / on Lao Wai, and will go to extremes to get it. Makes them look much better with their superiors. You would also be surprised at their language skills. Your underestimating them, I'm sorry to say, is only linked to your not having enough flight hours on knowing them. Sorry to sound preposterous, but you should know better.....

[Bier 8]

Hi there,

Has anyone ever been to Adeline international? Its on 888 Panyu lu.

If not, I will try this

Thanks

[Blacklisted]

While I am suitably impressed with your friendships in high places claim, would it not be of use to others to actually post the names and locations of these rabies infested amazing line up KTV's?

Or is it just horn blowing bullshit?

Lastly, the reason why KTV's are immune to raids is that they are the favorite 'past time' and business playground of most Chinese business men and the majority of government officials. Almost every city in China has several 'secret' spots where these guys spend their 'hard earned money' (pun intended). In general they classify in 2 categories, the super high-end members only deal, or the skanky/shady joints that will repel most people except the ones in 'the know'. I have been to one of those a few times and my first impression was I might have caught rabies or a similar just by stepping inside. Until I saw the lineup

Wobudong

[Wobudong]

Drainaps is 100% correct.

Wobudong

Parasitius,

I'm sorry to say you don't know them well enough if you doubt what Beijing Fox or I are saying. They're obsessed with intelligence from / on Lao Wai, and will go to extremes to get it. Makes them look much better with their superiors. You would also be surprised at their language skills. Your underestimating them, I'm sorry to say, is only linked to your not having enough flight hours on knowing them. Sorry to sound preposterous, but you should know better.....

[Drainaps]

Parasitius,
I'm sorry to say you don't know them well enough if you doubt what Beijing Fox or I are saying. They're obsessed with intelligence from / on Lao Wai, and will go to extremes to get it. Makes them look much better with their superiors. You would also be surprised at their language skills. Your underestimating them, I'm sorry to say, is only linked to your not having enough flight hours on knowing them. Sorry to sound preposterous, but you should know better.....

"why should they not be wise to comb it for intelligence? "

Incredibly strange question to propose if you ask me. Why on earth waste the manpower of an employee with such incredibly sophisticated English that he could understand these forums, when you can already find prostitute info a magnitude of 100 times more numerous and detailed in Chinese. But anyway, ... why would that even be necessary? As if they don't know the addresses of the places paying protection money to them as-is?

[Globe Spinner]

GS, maybe good for you but you PAID too much for her IMHO but hey your happy, thats all that counts.

PC out

You're right, my friend, but my time is money too.