South China - Shenzhen

[Ikksman]

Bars with girls employed by the establishments, not the big luxury hostess nightclub type.{S N I P}

I am aware that there are bars with karaoke rooms attached. I went to one a number of years ago in Bao'an (before I joined ISG). Probably many here are aware of their existence as they have been written about a couple of times before.

To increase the relevancy of your post I suggest that you include the name and address of the bar. Otherwise, members will not be interested in your posts, and probably doubt the truthfulness of your writing. Additionally, state whether your experiences are pre or post 2104 CNY crackdown.

I know that a few people claim that to post the name and address of a place will only attract the attention of the police. In my opinion that is absolute crap! Do you really think that the police do not know the location of these places (where they are probably getting monthly corruption money)?

It would certainly be appreciated if you could at least identify the streets where these bars are located.

Additionally some of your other posts here are purely written from the POV of a Chinese punter, without stating this fact. For example, many prices you quote are prices for Chinese, not foreigners This could mislead many non-Chinese members here.

WRT your posts on OWL's Shenzhen forum, I found them extremely difficult to understand. I did not know whether you were referring to WGs or Non-WGs. And if WGs, were you referring to BBS, MP, SPA / Sauna, KTV, FL girls etc. And if non-WGS, were they met casually or from dating sites. I would either generally agree or strongly disagree with you statements you made, depending on my assumption of the type of girl you were writing about.

For example, you wrote "All the girls I know in China are with relatively little education and little English. Some are divorced or de facto single in their 20's, they married and broke up early, most married before have 1 child. They showed me cute pics of their kids. Come to the cities from inland provinces working to feed their little children, and would like to meet some men for help in the city." What sort of girls are you writing about? Few classy KTV or BBS girls have had babies. And most non-WGs girls in SZ also have not had babies (some would have had abortions). On the other hand, if you were perusing girls in their 20's on dating sites, then a higher proportion would have had a child. But in these cases, many would have had reasonable educations.

Thank you for you posts, but please be more specific and reread your draft posts from the POV of a non-Chinese to help minimise misunderstanding.

BTW, Chantik on the HK forum, is an extremely well respected WG, and her posts are always appreciated and have always proven to be 100% accurate.

Cheers.

[Weelock]

The Blue World Flower is very consistent with all girls giving BBBJ + CIM. The massages range from OK to great. Attitude was nice and friendly among all the girls and looks varied from 4-8 with some relatively attractive girls, though usually they are busy and you need to reserve them ahead of time. #66 and #128 are average looking but give the best blowjobs I've ever had in China, and maybe ever. I don't think #128 works there anymore though.

Where is Blue World Flower located? I tried doing a search and found nothing? Any biz card, phone number or address? Thanks.

[Launchnow]

Anybody want to meet up for coffee and war stories at luohu starbucks. Next to 85? I will be there tomorrow. Sunday at noon.

So much fun and pussy around here.

[Launchnow]

Sounds cool. Where is this place? Post here or PM me. THANKS!

Bars with girls employed by the establishments, not the big luxury hostess nightclub type.

Asked the entrance staff some questions, was lead to greet the manager with some Questions&Answered, was showed around inside the place.

This place charges RMB288 per room for a small room, which can seat 8 people, other similar places in the city may charge like 200-600 per room. RMB50 customary tip for the single waiter / waitress assigned to your room. Can stay in the room until the bar closes at 4 am, and your stay is not timed. Beers are not overpriced and other alcoholic drinks are more expensive. Was shown to a room with door opened, full of girls in normal clothing. Was told no need to pay for the girls' accompany in the bar and tipping them is optional, which I doubted. Girls can sing karaoke, drink, chat and play dices with customers. They probably can send a few girls to each room, not just 1 girl for a few customers. Any business should be done outside of the place, do not ask the bar about other services. Was not interested to know the charges of the girls' services, experiences are they aren't very expensive and we can always refuse them if negotiations is not OK. Said thank you and left since should not go alone to these places, better go with some friends because of the charges. Charges are reasonable if go with more people, but do be careful of any hidden charges, go to a reputable or familiar ones. And you need to speak Chinese if you are to flirt, no need to speak if you are to fxxk, body languages will work.

[GoGreenAndh]

Bars with girls employed by the establishments, not the big luxury hostess nightclub type.

Asked the entrance staff some questions, was lead to greet the manager with some Questions&Answered, was showed around inside the place.

This place charges RMB288 per room for a small room, which can seat 8 people, other similar places in the city may charge like 200-600 per room. RMB50 customary tip for the single waiter / waitress assigned to your room. Can stay in the room until the bar closes at 4 am, and your stay is not timed. Beers are not overpriced and other alcoholic drinks are more expensive. Was shown to a room with door opened, full of girls in normal clothing. Was told no need to pay for the girls' accompany in the bar and tipping them is optional, which I doubted. Girls can sing karaoke, drink, chat and play dices with customers. They probably can send a few girls to each room, not just 1 girl for a few customers. Any business should be done outside of the place, do not ask the bar about other services. Was not interested to know the charges of the girls' services, experiences are they aren't very expensive and we can always refuse them if negotiations is not OK. Said thank you and left since should not go alone to these places, better go with some friends because of the charges. Charges are reasonable if go with more people, but do be careful of any hidden charges, go to a reputable or familiar ones. And you need to speak Chinese if you are to flirt, no need to speak if you are to fxxk, body languages will work.

[Donuts Galore]

I've read the recent forum posts about blowjobs service at the massage places in Shenzhen and I wanted to start a list of them because they are harder to find than I thought. My goal is to get a kind of database of places, girls, and prices of places that offer the blowjob service as an option (and not something you pay extra to the girl for).

I've tried the Perthden in Luohu and Blue World Flower (rough translation from Chinese) in Futian a few times each.

I think Perthden is OK, but inconsistent in the service aspects. I've had two girls give me a BBBJ but only one allowed a CIM, and a third girl only allowed a CBJ. The massages range from terrible to OK. Attitude was nice and friendly among all the girls and looks varied from 5-6 with nobody special looking but perhaps if I continue going there, I'll find more attractive ones. I don't remember any girls numbers because they were not really worth remembering..

I forgot to add that both places charge 300 RMB all inclusive. Actually, I think it's 298 RMB but I always leave 300 and tell the front desk girl, "keep the change for being so beautiful" and I either get laughs or a glare.

[GoGreenAndh]

Xiang Xi Cun is an aggressive type of place, the girls can talk to the men themselves without assistance from pimps. Unlike massage places, the Street girls have the discretion to choose her customers. These quick girls also want their customers to be fast so they can do more customers per day. The price has been 150 for many years, if you talk to pimps they may sometimes say 200 or 250 for some of the girls, asked them why more expensive, they said because that girl is very pretty.

Other places for a quick meal can be standard 100 or 50, expect 50 places to be dark, small, no service, short time and frequented by poor men.

If they go to your room, it is 200 and quick time as well. And take note it may take ages for her to finally arrive.

Many of these girls hate their job, little smile once you entered the room, and do not hide this feeling from their customers.

In fact, I believe that the main reason for a WG refusing a foreigner, is they think that he will be too much hard work because he will have a big Xiao didi, and last longer than a few minutes!

Normally for foreigners, the mamas / papas offer 300, which is then negotiated down to perhaps 150. Because you are Chinese, they ask 150, but even this is, of course, negotiable.

400 is a pretty average price and not particularly cheap. The meaning of your reference to the touts is not clear.

You may be asked for twice (not triple) the price that Chinese are asked. This is the starting point for negotiations. For example, A Chinese may be asked for 150 but negotiates down to 100. A white guy may be asked for 300, but negotiates down to 150. This is not a bad foreigner surcharge in comparison to many places in Asia, where even hotel prices are hugely inflated for foreigners.

Cheers.

[GoGreenAndh]

BJs are not that common at the massage places, and the service may come and go in the same place. Attitude should be nice in a place well managed, if the staff greet you loudly, chances are the employees are well trained and managed, and they get fined by the management if complained by the customers. Do not need to remember the girls' numbers, they come and go in a few months.

You may have a cheap BJ too with quickie ladies (called Quai Chan, literally Fast Food in English), but the service is often not good, with a black face and very rushed. There is no way you can complain, and these fast food girls can dare to quarrel with customers, mamasans and touts. Fast food girls are hard to manage.

[Donuts Galore]

I've read the recent forum posts about blowjobs service at the massage places in Shenzhen and I wanted to start a list of them because they are harder to find than I thought. My goal is to get a kind of database of places, girls, and prices of places that offer the blowjob service as an option (and not something you pay extra to the girl for).

I've tried the Perthden in Luohu and Blue World Flower (rough translation from Chinese) in Futian a few times each.

I think Perthden is OK, but inconsistent in the service aspects. I've had two girls give me a BBBJ but only one allowed a CIM, and a third girl only allowed a CBJ. The massages range from terrible to OK. Attitude was nice and friendly among all the girls and looks varied from 5-6 with nobody special looking but perhaps if I continue going there, I'll find more attractive ones. I don't remember any girls numbers because they were not really worth remembering.

The Blue World Flower is very consistent with all girls giving BBBJ + CIM. The massages range from OK to great. Attitude was nice and friendly among all the girls and looks varied from 4-8 with some relatively attractive girls, though usually they are busy and you need to reserve them ahead of time. #66 and #128 are average looking but give the best blowjobs I've ever had in China, and maybe ever. I don't think #128 works there anymore though.

I've gotten blowjobs at other massage places, but it was because of smooth talking (some with $$ some without $$ rather than simply choosing a service option, so I don't think that type of experience is useful to include for the purpose of this particular post because I want to focus on reliability, convenience, and replication of experience. If anyone can add to this list, it would be great.

[Ikksman]

Girls probably want to avoid troubles for not having foreigner customers, zero English of course for the cheap girls in China. There is nothing to negotiate, pay 150, quick fuck 30 minutes, no drama.

I appreciate that you are reading the past forum posts. Please read a bit further back in time. You will discover that Xiang Xi Cun has been a favourite SZ mongering destination for foreigners for probably more than 10 years. So your statement, as a generalisation, cannot possibly be true! In fact, I believe that the main reason for a WG refusing a foreigner, is they think that he will be too much hard work because he will have a big Xiao didi, and last longer than a few minutes!

Normally for foreigners, the mamas / papas offer 300, which is then negotiated down to perhaps 150. Because you are Chinese, they ask 150, but even this is, of course, negotiable.

400 for 2 hours was cheap, wouldn't be cheap if you made it with some touts.

400 is a pretty average price and not particularly cheap. The meaning of your reference to the touts is not clear.

You were offered cheaply. If you are a white, be charged twice to triple..

You may be asked for twice (not triple) the price that Chinese are asked. This is the starting point for negotiations. For example, A Chinese may be asked for 150 but negotiates down to 100. A white guy may be asked for 300, but negotiates down to 150. This is not a bad foreigner surcharge in comparison to many places in Asia, where even hotel prices are hugely inflated for foreigners.

Qingdao girl is highly unlikely, the city is considered rich in China.

Even rich cities in China have plenty of poor people.

I think they are renting rooms to girls arriving by trains. Considering doing the same is highly unlikely not successful, there are guards and police nearby, the girls can easily complain to them for being harassed. Rural girls know people in the cities can be dangerous.

I think that you may have misunderstood. He was staying at the Shangri-La hotel, not the apartments behind the hotel.

Mamasans / touts / WGs will rarely call Police in case of disputes or complaints, for obvious reasons. As they say in China, if you need help from Police, call a foreigner (LOL).

BTW there are a number of Hongkongese, ABCs, BBCs and even mainland Chinese who are members on these threads, and who offer their interpretations of cultural practices, outlooks, etc. Nevertheless, I am sure that members here will appreciate your future contributions here.

Cheers.

[GoGreenAndh]

You were offered cheaply. If you are a white, be charged twice to triple.

Qingdao girl is highly unlikely, the city is considered rich in China.

I think they are renting rooms to girls arriving by trains. Considering doing the same is highly unlikely not successful, there are guards and police nearby, the girls can easily complain to them for being harassed. Rural girls know people in the cities can be dangerous.

Just arrived in Shenzhen today after some business meetings in HK, as soon as I got out from the LoWu station it didn't last long and I was approached by some older ladies promoting "massage" , "sexy sexy" and running after me.

After a taking my room in the Shangri-La I went out to check out the situation and I can say that it is getting lively again.

I just checked the main alleys behind the Shangri-La up until the intersection with Jiabin Rd.

I was offered girls to take back to the hotel for 2 hrs for 600 Rmb or 900 for all night, don't know how much the informations are trustable) can anyone confirm that type of prices? But one of the pimps even gave me his cell. Phone number when I said I wouldn't have time tonight but would be happy to make a test tomorrow morning...

[GoGreenAndh]

Girls probably want to avoid troubles for not having foreigner customers, zero English of course for the cheap girls in China. There is nothing to negotiate, pay 150, quick fuck 30 minutes, no drama.

400 for 2 hours was cheap, wouldn't be cheap if you made it with some touts.

I visited Xiang Xi Cun last night, there is a lot of girls around and the quality is really good, the problem is that they are not approaching you as a foreigner and I guess the speak zero English, I saw some real good ones I would rate them as 7's or 8's.

They are moving all the time in the back alleys, going back and forward and in circles, there is surveillance cameras on the streets, I saw that they take the interested customers in some more secluded corner to negotiate.

I could not really make contact with the ones I was interested in so I got back to the more "touristic" RLD near the Shangri-La and got a girl back to my hotel for 400 Rmb for 2 hrs after discussing the price for a while.

Girl was a 6 , she gave did her best, but sent her back after 1,5 hrs and 2,5 pops.

And called it a night.

[Cory001]

We sarted off with a massage, ranging from 388 for a handjob to 1288 for. Perhaps sex. We didn't try it. After that we found a gentlemen's club in lohuo but it started at 2000 for the room / drinks, girls were 600 a piece to sit with you. We thought that was a bit high for no sex so we left. We checked a few KTVs after that and had no luck finding one that provided girls. Around 1:00 am we gave up and went to a club near cocos park. Ended with a girl we were chatting with on wechat. She came to the hotel, looked different than the picture as expected, maybe 6.2/10. Was negotiated down to 400 for one shot and 800 for the night. Aiming to find a KTV for around 3/6/9. I saw a post on here earlier for one around longgang. Any more details on the location?

Appreciate the help guys!

[Guitarrefreak]

Was there for a few days, mostly tried to hookup with weixin girls but mostly professionals.

Prices have certainly gone up, from 600 1200, what a think a ridiculous range, probably just a trophy fuck in the end.

Sharing a few pictures for fellow mongers to enjoy, I cannot vouch for their authenticity though.

[Tylerpd]

Ikksman you are a gentleman and a scholar. A true wealth of knowledge! That is very helpful.

I am staying at the Marco Polo in Futian. Does anyone know of specific action in that hotel or if WG's can be found in the bars inside or nearby?

Also, in terms of finding outcall service online which one do people think is the best option? I see China Daily, Backpage, Craigslist and Escortfind as some of the noticeable options. Any thoughts or advice? I can't wait to post a report here with my experience as a first time visitor. Win or lose, I always enjoy the excitement of the hunt!

Just step out the Side Lobby Door and Stand by the Traffic Light the Totes will find you quickly BTW I have always asked them to see the girl first in person and don't be shy about sending a few back till your happy!