General Reports

[JeffZeke]

Does anybody here have experience with the Sugar Babe scene in HK, such as via the Seeking Arrangement (now just Seeking) website? I hear mixed things about SA so would appreciate any first-hand tales, good or bad!

Let me offer a different perspective on sugar arrangements via the seeking website. I use to punt regularly with WG of all sorts all over the world. I've seen independent girls, agency girls, and even those working out of places like the Fuji, KH and JSL bulidings. Within the past 3-4 years, I've started seeing almost exclusively girls from the most popular sugar site, seeking. My experience has generally been positive, and some have been extraordinary, out of this world type experiences. No doubt most of these girls are amateurs, so the flakiness factor is high. But when it works and when you meet the right girl, the experience is unmatched by any WG. They are genuine, many are very sensual / sexual, and 100% GFE.

Some notable differences I can think of are as follows:

1) Price per punt: There may be some real value in seekingarrangement newbies, but I seem to come across many who are trying to overcharge. Especially saw this in NYC, where everything is inflated, but starting to creep up in different cities. The good thing about the pros is that the price is already set and predetermined. The negative is that pros tend to stay for just the allotted time (either 30 or 60 min, or whatever) and are usually clock-watching. Semi-pros tend to not pay too much attention to the time, and it's common to have drinks / dinner / lunch etc beforehand, just to get to know each other better. It's more GFE, in the sense that it's almost like a date.

2) Pros don't care if you are married, in fact, sometimes they prefer it that way, so you won't be clingy or too needy of their time. A few of the seekingarrangement profiles specifically say "NO MARRIED GUYS" The reason is maybe some self-consciousness, or sometimes they are afraid of a crazy wife coming after them.

3) BYOC. Need to bring your own condom for semi-pros, usually. I suspect some bareback is going on, since some of these semi-pros don't know the business that well, and are a bit naive. But I always insist on a cover.

4) There's quite a bit more pre-meeting work when punting on seekingarrangement. Emails back and forth, sending pics of yourself, getting some rejections. Some girls take a few days to even respond, and some won't respond at all. I've gotten some who will ask for a picture, and then go silent. I'm OK with that, no biggie.

5) The few girls I talk to all say that seekingarrangement is HUGE in the college campuses. LOTS of girls know about it, and they love meeting up with rich old guys, LOL. The sugar-baby scene is apparently quite popular, and they will introduce it to each other.

6) There are apparently some sugardaddies out there that are looking just for friendship, companionship (non-sexual), someone young and pretty to dine with, strictly platonic set-ups. This surprises me, but apparently it's out there.

7) I've done too much punting throughout these past few years, and I've become desensitized to the pros who see multiple clients a day, who are mechanical, and go through the same routine with every punter they see. In my early years, this was OK and I could still have an enjoyable time. But these days, the thought of being in line with 10-15 other punters seeing the same girl. Kinda grosses me out. That's why the seekingarrangement peaks my interest. So far so good, almost all of these ladies have been super-horny! One way to tell, they get extremely wet down there upon some nominal stimulation, DATY, FIV, etc. NO LUBE NEEDED!

8) With pros, they have a "business" so they have incentive to be on time, show up when they say they will, and generally try to give good service. Otherwise, they might suffer from negative reviews, which will in turn hurt their business. With semi-pros / seekingarrangement ladies, there's no such mechanism for checks and balance. So if they flake out and don't show up, there's not much recourse for the punter.

Here is some advice I have to anyone who would like to try sugar arrangements:

1) Some girls out there do not have a good understanding of the "sugar" relationship. They either put out nothing essentially, and expect to be paid, some just to talk to them or even for the initial "meet and greet". Make sure to weed those out right away.

2) You can tell a LOT from their profile. Some just talk about themselves exclusively, even being bold enough to call themselves "spoiled", "love to shop", expensive taste, "spoil me rotten", what can you do for me attitude shines through. AVOID these. The profile can also reveal some underlying attitude issues, "don't waste my time" "any REAL men out there" AVOID these.

3) I am weary of 18-20 year olds. The maturity is usually not there. Of course you have to always watch out to make sure they are at least 18 years old!

4) You have to be an expert in evaluating photographs. Some end up much less attractive than their glamour shots they took 10 years ago. Some, however, have average pictures, but turn out to be very pretty in person!

5) Moving to texting / phone call is my goal. That shows some intent and openness on their part.

6) Watch out for the crazy / bipolar / depressed ones.

7) We all like different things, but I tend to prefer college educated, or even ladies with higher education, graduate degrees. Just more in common, for me. For some of you, education level might not be a big deal.

8) When to discuss the money aspect of the arrangement. This has varied, but it has worked well both ways. Sometimes we get that agreement beforehand, even before we meet. Other times, we discuss in person only after dinner / drinks etc. When we both want to proceed with the arrangement.

9) If the sugarbaby LIKES you, you are GOLDEN For providers, almost all of them will proceed with the act and basically pretend (if they are skilled) to give you some affection and let you bang them. For the SB's who connect with you, WOW, they will be all over you, dripping wet pussy, tongue lashing, humping you like crazy in cowgirl, leg-shaking, multi-orgasmic events! It's unbelievable what can occur, and it would be highly unlikely to duplicate for professional providers, at least in my limited experience.

10) Set boundaries about phone calls, frequency of texts, frequency of visits, and expected allowances. If you are a hunk, they might fall for you, LOL!

[Chantik]

Anyone got any helpful names? Indies are great, but looks like there isn't a good place on the inter webs to find them for outcalls.

There are a number of sites to find independent ladies. Adultwork, Locanto, smoochi, sex 141 or you could even try me.

[Chantik]

Prior to my last trip to HK, I had downloaded Smooci and paid for the full access membership. I was fairly disappointed with the app though. Only a handful of girls (may be 20) at any given time. Some girls have exuberant fees like HKD 5000. Filtering them out leaves with even fewer girls.

Escort agencies and independents I have been with in HK have offered at least 2 shots (some offer unlimited) per hour of booking. Smooci girls all list just one shot. I booked one girl called BoBo. After the first round with her, I asked if she could offer a second round and how much upcharge would that be. She wanted double the initial amount. Seems unreasonable to me! Overall BoBo's service was good but at HKD 1600 per shot it was very costly (at least for me!

I suggest you carefully read rates / services of the girls on smoochi. I am on Smoochi and offer multiple pops as do other ladies, though unlimited is more of a feature of 2+ HR bookings. I've seen one lady ask for 5000, though the mean price is around 1700 to 1800 for one hour. Currently there are around 15 to 20 ladies online in the evening, while three months ago there were ten ladies online. The ladies only go online when they are ready for a booking as there is a ten turn around for a lady to accept or reject a booking which is a short period of time to check all relevant information- Finally if you have a premium member of Smoochi you can leave an off-line message for the lady who will receive an email.

[Tiger 888]

My experience with SA in Asia has been mostly a "miss". The ladies I have contacted, with a single exception, have an overinflated opinion of themselves. I suspect that their expectations are mostly a result of the "Pretty Woman" effect. In all fairness, I have a fairly narrow window of opportunity and have no interest in something like a monthly allowance until I am sure their is a long term "chemical connection". A result of being well fleeced by a SB in Singapore. Most all the girls that post in HK have good English skills, and therefore are accustomed to being pursued be expats which also adds to the inflated expectations.

I did meet one lady, that I truly enjoyed the time with her, and look forward to being able to see her again, when the planets align. I hear a lot of the SA ladies talk about Salt Daddies, and don't waste my time, those I automatically dismiss. My time is just as valuable and I've coined a new phrase of "Salt Baby", which means a gal that doesn't understand what "mutual benefit" means in an arrangement. I am not overly impressed with "cute", and the availability of attractive gals at reasonable prices in the P4 P market puts a premium on class, intelligence, and what it means to be a good companion, as opposed to just being cute. I suspect that is more "me" than them, but it is nice to have the ability to say "not interested".

Very well said.

[Sky Ryder]

Does anybody here have experience with the Sugar Babe scene in HK, such as via the Seeking Arrangement (now just Seeking) website? I hear mixed things about SA so would appreciate any first-hand tales, good or bad!

My experience with SA in Asia has been mostly a "miss". The ladies I have contacted, with a single exception, have an overinflated opinion of themselves. I suspect that their expectations are mostly a result of the "Pretty Woman" effect. In all fairness, I have a fairly narrow window of opportunity and have no interest in something like a monthly allowance until I am sure their is a long term "chemical connection". A result of being well fleeced by a SB in Singapore. Most all the girls that post in HK have good English skills, and therefore are accustomed to being pursued be expats which also adds to the inflated expectations.

I did meet one lady, that I truly enjoyed the time with her, and look forward to being able to see her again, when the planets align. I hear a lot of the SA ladies talk about Salt Daddies, and don't waste my time, those I automatically dismiss. My time is just as valuable and I've coined a new phrase of "Salt Baby", which means a gal that doesn't understand what "mutual benefit" means in an arrangement. I am not overly impressed with "cute", and the availability of attractive gals at reasonable prices in the P4 P market puts a premium on class, intelligence, and what it means to be a good companion, as opposed to just being cute. I suspect that is more "me" than them, but it is nice to have the ability to say "not interested".

[ImRickJames1]

Anyone got any helpful names? Indies are great, but looks like there isn't a good place on the inter webs to find them for outcalls.

[FarEastTrader]

Prior to my last trip to HK, I had downloaded Smooci and paid for the full access membership. I was fairly disappointed with the app though. Only a handful of girls (may be 20) at any given time. Some girls have exuberant fees like HKD 5000. Filtering them out leaves with even fewer girls.

Escort agencies and independents I have been with in HK have offered at least 2 shots (some offer unlimited) per hour of booking. Smooci girls all list just one shot. I booked one girl called BoBo. After the first round with her, I asked if she could offer a second round and how much upcharge would that be. She wanted double the initial amount. Seems unreasonable to me! Overall BoBo's service was good but at HKD 1600 per shot it was very costly (at least for me!

[FarEastTrader]

Thanks for the compliment.

I didn't pay for Skout. I'm not quite sure what that gets you. I didn't find it necessary.

I didn't work Skout at all before I came to HK. It seems to be impossible as it detects your location and your location is the centre of your search radius. Though you can search worldwide. But that would lead to a lot of explaining. Anyway you don't need to work them for long. DIA I did start working about 2 weeks before coming to HK until they banned me.

I can't compare to Badoo because I haven't used Badoo. Is it good?

I only gave a gift to two girls, because they asked for it. $500 for the Indo DH and $800 for the Chinese from Skout.

I feel Skout, Badoo are complete hit and miss. May be they work better for Caucasians but, myself being of Turkish origin, I feel too much work to gain too little. I would rather go for a stroll along Wan Chai streets and pick someone up. Just my two cents.

[Midwestern]

Was transiting through HK and had a few hours to kill. Did some research in advance using miss site and others. Found one to my liking who spoke English. Made a note of address and found the address easy enough. Lots of young guys scouting the floors. Found the room I wanted, but sign said "wait". Only had a slight time cushion but came back in 30. Welcome sign out. But when I rang bell, it obviously wasn't one I expected, who supposedly was new. The one who answered had little resemblance to photos and dressed conservatively, asking what did I want? Frustrated and feeling tricked, I left as time was getting tight.

Is this bait and switch typical or just bad luck?

Also, I get the sense girls listed as mixed are actually Filipinas?

Finally, I bought a local sim and am trying to connect with a few for return transit. None will reply to my SMS to try to book. Do they not accept SMS?

Thanks.

For the 141 scene, you just have to go to those buildings, knock on doors with signs, see who opens it, and make a quick decision. Doing research ahead of time is kind of a waste, unless you can identity a handful of do-ables and try just those doors, but eventually I think you will realize that knocking on available doors is the most efficient strategy. It may feel weird to just knock on a lot of doors, but you will get used to it.

And they rarely respond to SMS texts in my experience. I think it's because they are too busy or because they find that scheduling appointments is not worthwhile.

[Tiger 888]

Was transiting through HK and had a few hours to kill. Did some research in advance using miss site and others. Found one to my liking who spoke English. Made a note of address and found the address easy enough. Lots of young guys scouting the floors. Found the room I wanted, but sign said "wait". Only had a slight time cushion but came back in 30. Welcome sign out. But when I rang bell, it obviously wasn't one I expected, who supposedly was new. The one who answered had little resemblance to photos and dressed conservatively, asking what did I want? Frustrated and feeling tricked, I left as time was getting tight.

Is this bait and switch typical or just bad luck?

Also, I get the sense girls listed as mixed are actually Filipinas?

Finally, I bought a local sim and am trying to connect with a few for return transit. None will reply to my SMS to try to book. Do they not accept SMS?

Thanks.

The Miss site is random at best. Girls switch rooms without anything being updated. No bait and switch, but just rubbish.

[Sparky88]

Was transiting through HK and had a few hours to kill. Did some research in advance using miss site and others. Found one to my liking who spoke English. Made a note of address and found the address easy enough. Lots of young guys scouting the floors. Found the room I wanted, but sign said "wait". Only had a slight time cushion but came back in 30. Welcome sign out. But when I rang bell, it obviously wasn't one I expected, who supposedly was new. The one who answered had little resemblance to photos and dressed conservatively, asking what did I want? Frustrated and feeling tricked, I left as time was getting tight.

Is this bait and switch typical or just bad luck?

Also, I get the sense girls listed as mixed are actually Filipinas?

Finally, I bought a local sim and am trying to connect with a few for return transit. None will reply to my SMS to try to book. Do they not accept SMS?

Thanks.

[Flyboy 2000]

Does anybody here have experience with the Sugar Babe scene in HK, such as via the Seeking Arrangement (now just Seeking) website? I hear mixed things about SA so would appreciate any first-hand tales, good or bad!

[A158]

Thanks for the compliment.

I didn't pay for Skout. I'm not quite sure what that gets you. I didn't find it necessary.

I didn't work Skout at all before I came to HK. It seems to be impossible as it detects your location and your location is the centre of your search radius. Though you can search worldwide. But that would lead to a lot of explaining. Anyway you don't need to work them for long. DIA I did start working about 2 weeks before coming to HK until they banned me.

I can't compare to Badoo because I haven't used Badoo. Is it good?

I only gave a gift to two girls, because they asked for it. $500 for the Indo DH and $800 for the Chinese from Skout.

I use badoo alot. It is good but will take time to find one that is just escorting or looking for fun. Majority are looking for love. Good and free app. Allows you to set location so you can search a few weeks before coming to HK. No issues.

Cheers.

A158.

[Johnny Rocket]

Hi Johnny,

Excellent report, you mention skout app, are you on subscription user or general user. Do you think its worth to subscribed. I mean value for the money.

How much gift were you giving to your girls after meet, I don't want to spoil the market and know what is prevailing market.

How long before you start working on skout before you reach HK.

I am using badoo so is skout is better then badoo.

Thanks.

Thanks for the compliment.

I didn't pay for Skout. I'm not quite sure what that gets you. I didn't find it necessary.

I didn't work Skout at all before I came to HK. It seems to be impossible as it detects your location and your location is the centre of your search radius. Though you can search worldwide. But that would lead to a lot of explaining. Anyway you don't need to work them for long. DIA I did start working about 2 weeks before coming to HK until they banned me.

I can't compare to Badoo because I haven't used Badoo. Is it good?

I only gave a gift to two girls, because they asked for it. $500 for the Indo DH and $800 for the Chinese from Skout.

[Brown Rail]

Do 'drinks only' girls really exist in Wanchai? I imagine that every girl there has her price if a guy wants to take her out. The reason I ask is that I used to be involved with a Filipina from a buy-me-drinks bar in Orchard Towers SG who is now working the bars of Wanchai. She claims to be drinks only, saying she can earn $1000 from it on a good night like Jackthelad mentioned. Not that it makes any difference to me now that we're no longer together, but I'm still a bit curious about this.

Chantik makes a good point about the implausibility; however, maybe she is underestimating the amount of drink that ends up on the floor? The modus operandi of my ex and her friends is to hunt in packs, and after a guy buys them drinks one girl distracts the guy while the others empty their glasses. Sometimes (rarely) the guy is wise to this, watches the girl drink, and then she really does end up getting wasted. This is all according to my ex though and could be total BS LOL..

There used to be girls who would only sell drinks. It was probably in the pre-smartphone era. I don't know how many of those there are now.

It is not a matter of not getting wasted. Any girl past her second night has figured that out. Yes, they do pour their drinks out. They also get cooperation from the waitresses who get watered down drinks or non-booze. They figure it out.

I think the issue is that there are a lot fewer customers in Wanchai these days. So keeping the flow of customers, and customer drinks, is harder than it used to be.

I would guess that there are days when. Like during the 7's when it is possible so sell HKD1,000 of drinks in a night. But every night of the week? Doubtful.